Discussion:
Did the Holocaust really happen or is it just an urban legend???
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Lucas J. Riesau
2007-07-06 17:28:03 UTC
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I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.

So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
urban legends???
jgarbuz
2007-07-06 17:51:39 UTC
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Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
urban legends???<
UFOs. Jews are aliens who were brought to this planet by UFOs, and
during WWII millions of them were taken back to their native planet in
the Judean galaxy. That is why you can't find evidence of the
holocaust.
ElParedon
2007-07-06 18:20:16 UTC
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Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
urban legends???<
SOME OF THE STORIES HAVE BASIS IN TRUTH. MOST ARE BULLSHIT

The biggest Holocaust known to men occured between 1917and 1989, when Jewish
Commissars slaughtered millions of Russians and Ukrainians.
Baird Stafford
2007-07-06 18:46:19 UTC
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Post by ElParedon
Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
A great deal of reliable evidence exists. Look up the Nuremberg Trials
and read the testimony of survivors. Only people who did not fight or
whose fathers did not fight in WWII believe the "urban legend" bullshit.
Post by ElParedon
Post by Lucas J. Riesau
So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
urban legends???<
The stories of the Holocaust are very, very true.
Post by ElParedon
SOME OF THE STORIES HAVE BASIS IN TRUTH. MOST ARE BULLSHIT
All of the stories have basis in truth. None are bullshit.
Post by ElParedon
The biggest Holocaust known to men occured between 1917and 1989, when Jewish
Commissars slaughtered millions of Russians and Ukrainians.
There were no Jewish commissars in the Soviet Union. Jews were
distrusted as much under the Soviets as they ever were under the Czars.
The commissars who slaughtered those Russians, Ukranians, Latvians, and
members of other nationalities were all Slavic in descent.

Baird
Theodore Herzl
2007-07-06 21:38:48 UTC
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Post by Baird Stafford
Post by ElParedon
Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
A great deal of reliable evidence exists. Look up the Nuremberg Trials
and read the testimony of survivors. Only people who did not fight or
whose fathers did not fight in WWII believe the "urban legend" bullshit.
WRONG There is absolutely no evidence of a mass murder of Jew other
than eyewitness testimony and confessions gleaned through the torture
of prisoners, both highly unreliable and easily disproved, like this
eye-witness testimony that describes a sinister underground Jew
vaporization station that turned Jews to nothing but dust (a
commonality in holocaust "eyewitness testimony" as they fabricators of
the stories struggled to explain the lack of physical evidence after
the war.


------------- start quote --------------------------
"The Belzec camp is built underground. It is an electric
crematorium. There are two halls in the underground buildings.
People were taken out of the railway cars into the first hall. Then
they were led naked to the second hall. Here the floor resembled an
enormous plate. When the crowd of men stood on it, the floor sank
into a pool of water. The moment the men sank up to their necks, a
powerful electric current of millions of volts passed through, killing
them all at once. The floor rose again, and a second electric
current was passed through the bodies, burning them until nothing was
left of the victims save a few ashes."
------------------ end quote ---------------------------
The Black Book (p 313) Underwritten by: World Jewish Congress Jewish
Antifascist Committee*


The fist glaring error in this holohoax dinger is that just standing
on an electric plate with electricity passing through it would not
even shock you, much less vaporize you. Observe a squirrel or a bird
on an uninsulated high tension wire and you see why, for without a
ground to complete the circuit, the electrons pass right by without
even harming you, making the Jews vaporization station an easily
disproved fabrication by the holohoax industry on that ground
alone. The mistakes like these that were made by the holohoax
industry's Eye Witnesses are those one would expect from someone with
no understanding of how electricity actually works as they fabricate
their fantastic lies. And why bother lowering the victims in water
in the first place, why not just vaporize them immediately, as surely
the millions of volts used to vaporize Jews as they claim would have
certainly killed them as well, so why would German engineers known for
their design and efficiency waste time building the complicated motors
and machinery needed to support and raise a platform as the holohoax
industry claims were employed. One must note that because there is
no physical evidence of 6 Million bodies, their ashes or their bones
to be found that support the claims of the holohoax industry, it was
important for the Holohoax industry to make up stories where the Jews
were vaporized completely to explain this glaring omission of factual
evidence.
Post by Baird Stafford
Post by ElParedon
Post by Lucas J. Riesau
So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
urban legends???<
The stories of the Holocaust are very, very true.
Sure they are,

Soap made from rendered fat from Jews.... Proven falsehood.
Lampshade made with tanned Jewish skin..... Proven falsehood
Clothing made with Jewish hair... Proven falsehood.
Program of mass extermination.... Never proven
Post by Baird Stafford
Post by ElParedon
SOME OF THE STORIES HAVE BASIS IN TRUTH. MOST ARE BULLSHIT
All of the stories have basis in truth. None are bullshit.
Name one....
Post by Baird Stafford
Post by ElParedon
The biggest Holocaust known to men occured between 1917and 1989, when Jewish
Commissars slaughtered millions of Russians and Ukrainians.
There were no Jewish commissars in the Soviet Union.
Yes they were, Judaism and Communism are almost synonymous, and even
in Israel today the communes still exist, but today are called a
Kibbutz
Post by Baird Stafford
Jews were
distrusted as much under the Soviets as they ever were under the Czars.
The commissars who slaughtered those Russians, Ukranians, Latvians, and
members of other nationalities were all Slavic in descent.
Wrong Again

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html

"There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of
Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution
by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is
certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the
notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are
Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from
the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by
his nominal subordinate, Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like
Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky,
or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of
Krassin or Radek -- all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the
predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if
not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by
the Extraordinary Commissions for Combatting Counter-Revolution [the
Cheka] has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses"
-- Winston Churchill - February 8, 1920, issue of the London
Illustrated Sunday Herald
Michael N. LeVine
2007-07-06 22:05:39 UTC
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Post by Baird Stafford
Post by ElParedon
Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
A great deal of reliable evidence exists. Look up the Nuremberg Trials
and read the testimony of survivors. Only people who did not fight or
whose fathers did not fight in WWII believe the "urban legend" bullshit.
Post by ElParedon
Post by Lucas J. Riesau
So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
urban legends???<
The stories of the Holocaust are very, very true.
Post by ElParedon
SOME OF THE STORIES HAVE BASIS IN TRUTH. MOST ARE BULLSHIT
All of the stories have basis in truth. None are bullshit.
Post by ElParedon
The biggest Holocaust known to men occured between 1917and 1989, when Jewish
Commissars slaughtered millions of Russians and Ukrainians.
There were no Jewish commissars in the Soviet Union. Jews were
distrusted as much under the Soviets as they ever were under the Czars.
The commissars who slaughtered those Russians, Ukranians, Latvians, and
members of other nationalities were all Slavic in descent.
Baird
Funny that during the Nuremburg trials not one defendant ever denied that it happened
--
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"Thirty days hath September, April, June and November.
All the rest have thirty one except for Gypsy Rose Lee
and every one knew what she had" - Mel Blanc
jgarbuz
2007-07-07 16:45:17 UTC
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Post by Michael N. LeVine
Post by Baird Stafford
Post by ElParedon
Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
A great deal of reliable evidence exists. Look up the Nuremberg Trials
and read the testimony of survivors. Only people who did not fight or
whose fathers did not fight in WWII believe the "urban legend" bullshit.
Post by ElParedon
Post by Lucas J. Riesau
So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
urban legends???<
The stories of the Holocaust are very, very true.
Post by ElParedon
SOME OF THE STORIES HAVE BASIS IN TRUTH. MOST ARE BULLSHIT
All of the stories have basis in truth. None are bullshit.
Post by ElParedon
The biggest Holocaust known to men occured between 1917and 1989, when Jewish
Commissars slaughtered millions of Russians and Ukrainians.
There were no Jewish commissars in the Soviet Union. Jews were
distrusted as much under the Soviets as they ever were under the Czars.
The commissars who slaughtered those Russians, Ukranians, Latvians, and
members of other nationalities were all Slavic in descent.
Baird
Funny that during the Nuremburg trials not one defendant ever denied that it happened
--
Good point! Not a single defendent DID ever deny it! Why didn't they
just deny it?
ElParedon
2007-07-07 04:05:36 UTC
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Post by Baird Stafford
Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
A great deal of reliable evidence exists. Look up the Nuremberg Trials
and read the testimony of survivors. Only people who did not fight or
whose fathers did not fight in WWII believe the "urban legend" bullshit.
You obviously have not examined the evidence which convicted most of the
Nazis. This evidence did not mention Jews in particular, it mentioned people
of Europe, Slavs, gypsies, partizans, Lidice, Zhitomir massacre,Kraljevo
massacre. jews did die during the Holocaust but they were very minor
casualty of Nazi atrocities
Baird Stafford
2007-07-07 09:12:32 UTC
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Post by ElParedon
Post by Baird Stafford
Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
A great deal of reliable evidence exists. Look up the Nuremberg Trials
and read the testimony of survivors. Only people who did not fight or
whose fathers did not fight in WWII believe the "urban legend" bullshit.
You obviously have not examined the evidence which convicted most of the
Nazis. This evidence did not mention Jews in particular, it mentioned people
of Europe, Slavs, gypsies, partizans, Lidice, Zhitomir massacre,Kraljevo
massacre. jews did die during the Holocaust but they were very minor
casualty of Nazi atrocities
Sorry, guess again. I've read most of the testimony at one time or
another. Jews were the major casualty of Nazi atrocities.

<Gongggg!!!>

Thank you for playing.

Baird
Hugh Gibbons
2007-07-09 06:13:59 UTC
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Post by Baird Stafford
Post by ElParedon
Post by Baird Stafford
Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
A great deal of reliable evidence exists. Look up the Nuremberg Trials
and read the testimony of survivors. Only people who did not fight or
whose fathers did not fight in WWII believe the "urban legend" bullshit.
You obviously have not examined the evidence which convicted most of the
Nazis. This evidence did not mention Jews in particular, it mentioned people
of Europe, Slavs, gypsies, partizans, Lidice, Zhitomir massacre,Kraljevo
massacre. jews did die during the Holocaust but they were very minor
casualty of Nazi atrocities
Sorry, guess again. I've read most of the testimony at one time or
another. Jews were the major casualty of Nazi atrocities.
Jews are particularly identified with the Nazi atrocities for that
reason, and also because they were specifically targeted all across
Europe. However, the total number of non-Jews similarly rounded up
and killed is fairly close to the number of Jews. Gypsies were also
targeted for extermination. Huge numbers of Poles were also killed,
and Russian POWs.
f***@verizon.net
2007-07-09 06:52:25 UTC
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Post by Hugh Gibbons
Jews are particularly identified with the Nazi atrocities for that
reason, and also because they were specifically targeted all across
Europe. However, the total number of non-Jews similarly rounded up
and killed is fairly close to the number of Jews. Gypsies were also
targeted for extermination. Huge numbers of Poles were also killed,
and Russian POWs.
And, FWIU, other religious groups & the handicapped.

Susan
Strobe
2007-07-11 00:21:32 UTC
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Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by Hugh Gibbons
Jews are particularly identified with the Nazi atrocities for that
reason, and also because they were specifically targeted all across
Europe. However, the total number of non-Jews similarly rounded up
and killed is fairly close to the number of Jews. Gypsies were also
targeted for extermination. Huge numbers of Poles were also killed,
and Russian POWs.
And, FWIU, other religious groups & the handicapped.
About 5 million 'others' and about 6 million Jews perished.

The main other religious group targeted was Jehovah's Witnesses.
The euthanasia of the "handicapped" had started before the major
Holocaust began; it was seen as a logical outcome of the Nazi's need
to perfect the Master Race.

Approximately 500,000 Gypsies were killed.
Other victim groups included political opponents and communists.
Topaz
2007-07-09 21:07:27 UTC
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Here is part of the Leuchter Report:
"Thirty-one samples were selectively removed from the alleged gas
chambers at Kremas I, II, III, IV and V. A control sample was taken
from delousing facility #1 at Birkenau. The control sample was removed
from a delousing chamber in a location where cyanide was known to have
been used and was apparently present as blue staining. Chemical
testing of the control sample #32 showed a cyanide content of 1050
mg/kg, a very heavy concentration. The conditions at areas from which
these samples were taken are identical with those of the control
sample, cold, dark, and wet. Only Kremas IV and V differed, in the
respect that these locations had sunlight (the buildings have been
torn down) and sunlight may hasten the destruction of uncomplexed
cyanide. The cyanide combines with the iron in the mortar and brick
and becomes ferric-ferro-cyanide or prussian blue pigmentation, a very
stable iron-cyanide complex.
"The locations from which the analyzed samples were removed are set
out in Table III.
"It is notable that almost all the samples were negative and that the
few that were positive were very close to the detection level
(1mg/kg); 6.7 mg/kg at Krema III; 7.9 mg/kg at Krerma I. The absense
of any consequential readings at any of the tested locations as
compared to the control sample reading 1050 mg/kg supports the
evidence that these facilities were not execution gas chambers. The
small quantities detected would indicate that at some point these
buildings were deloused with Zyklon B - as were all the buildings at
all these facilities"

http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com

http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/

http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
Richard Casady
2007-07-10 12:23:22 UTC
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On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 00:13:59 -0600, Hugh Gibbons
Post by Hugh Gibbons
Jews are particularly identified with the Nazi atrocities for that
reason, and also because they were specifically targeted all across
Europe. However, the total number of non-Jews similarly rounded up
and killed is fairly close to the number of Jews. Gypsies were also
targeted for extermination. Huge numbers of Poles were also killed,
and Russian POWs.
The gypsies seemed to have been totally exterminated everywhere the
Nazis could reach. It seems that the Turks hired them to do their
executions and torture. They were totally heartless and cared only
about the money. I will spare you the details of things involving a
greased stake and a sledghammer. They believed that it was not a sin
to steal from nongypsies. Naturally, nobody was willing to hide them,
unlike, for example, the Danish jews. The Danes told the Nazis that
they had no jews. I don't think they were any better loved than jews
anywhere, but
they were Danes first, in the minds of the other Danes. The gypsies
had no chance of passing for non-gypsies, of course.

Casady
JBgarbuz
2007-07-06 17:52:56 UTC
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Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
urban legends???<
UFPs. Jews are aliens who were brought to this planet in UFOs, and during
WWII, millions were taken back to their native planet in the galaxy Judea.
That's why you can't find any evidence of the holocaust.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
ElParedon
2007-07-06 18:21:59 UTC
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Post by JBgarbuz
Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
urban legends???<
UFPs. Jews are aliens
They are aliens, allright. They were hatched in Khazaria by crossing the
Mongol tribes with Slavic Russians and making them embrace Judaism
Kenneth McVay OBC
2007-07-07 04:04:40 UTC
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In article <2Lvji.16304$***@bignews8.bellsouth.net>,
Alex Seredin, aka "ElParedon", the hatemonger of Delray Beach,
<***@bellsouth.net> wrote:

[...]
Post by ElParedon
They are aliens, allright. They were hatched in Khazaria by crossing the
Mongol tribes with Slavic Russians and making them embrace Judaism
As opposed, perhaps, to the Seredins, who were hatched through centuries
of inbreeding in the gutters of Europe?

http://mediacrity.blogspot.com/2005_11_20_mediacrity_archive.html

Seashells, Plastic Mermaids -- and Internet Hate

A reader brings to my attention this cute little
item in City Link magazine, a publication of the
Tribune Company-owned Sun Sentinel in South Florida
that calls itself "South Florida's premier youth
culture magazine." In an item on the "best" places
in the area, under "Best Place To Buy Tacky
Souvenirs," the magazine picks the Peter Pan
souvenir shop in Delray Beach, Florida:

You would never know from their business that
Alex and Mona Seredin, the current owners of this
54-year-old store, hail from Canada. Stepping
inside Peter Pan brings you back to 1950s South
Florida, when walking catfish flopped across the
roads and your nearest neighbor was likely to
be an alligator. This store offers hundreds of
pieces of coral, seashell jewelry, straw hats
and embroidered T-shirts with Florida themes.

Cute! What the item leaves out, however, is its
proprietor's real claim to fame -- which is peddling
hate, not "tacky souvenirs." Alex Seredin is the
author of literally thousands of crudely anti-Semitic
screeds on Internet Usenet boards, commonly referring
to Jews as "kikes" and "long noses." Seredin recently
opined that Jews "have no right to a country except
six feet under," and recommended that "Palestinians
expel all the bloody kikes."

Suggestion to City Link: Next time you profile a
"tacky" souvenir shop owner, run the name in Google.
You might find that more than just the souvenirs are "tacky."
--
"Hate propaganda is an attack on the truth-seeking process itself.
It is directed to subverting and undermining the search for truth."
(David Matas, Bloody Speech, p. 37)
The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org
Hatunen
2007-07-06 18:37:55 UTC
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On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 10:28:03 -0700, "Lucas J. Riesau"
Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
You don't keep up with the news. A vast Holocaust archive of
meticulous German documantation was just opened to the public.
See
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-11-19-holocaust-papers_x.htm
Post by Lucas J. Riesau
So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
urban legends???
Why don't you go away and study the documents and decide for
yourself?

I think I already know how you'll decide, though. There's already
a web site claiming the records prove the Holocaust a fraud based
on one piece of paper.
--
************* DAVE HATUNEN (***@cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
ElParedon
2007-07-07 04:08:07 UTC
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Post by Hatunen
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 10:28:03 -0700, "Lucas J. Riesau"
Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
You don't keep up with the news. A vast Holocaust archive of
meticulous German documantation was just opened to the public.
See
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-11-19-holocaust-papers_x.htm
Post by Lucas J. Riesau
So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
urban legends???
Why don't you go away and study the documents and decide for
yourself?
I think I already know how you'll decide, though. There's already
a web site claiming the records prove the Holocaust a fraud based
on one piece of paper.
Holocaust is not a fraud, Jews are fraud, for hijacking Holocaust for
their own ulterior purposes
george
2007-07-06 21:09:27 UTC
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Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
urban legends???
From the list of groups you post to it's evident that you are a
spammer
For the facts of the Nuremberg trials and proof of the holocaust see
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/nuremberg.htm
ElParedon
2007-07-07 04:10:52 UTC
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jews lie about Holocaust. The real Holocaust is when Jewish commissars
slaughtered 100 million Russians, including the murder of Russian Czar and
his young family. THAT IS THE REAL HOLOCAUST AND JEWS SHOULD BE TRIED FOR
IT, EVERYONE OF THEM!
Kenneth McVay OBC
2007-07-07 06:04:55 UTC
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In article <6nEji.18696$***@bignews3.bellsouth.net>,
Leading revisionst moron Alex Seredin, aka "ElParedon", the hatemonger of Delray
Post by ElParedon
jews lie about Holocaust. The real Holocaust is when Jewish commissars
slaughtered 100 million Russians, including the murder of Russian Czar and
his young family. THAT IS THE REAL HOLOCAUST AND JEWS SHOULD BE TRIED FOR
IT, EVERYONE OF THEM!
And yet Leading Revisionist Scholar Alex Seredin, the Flaming Flamingo
Flogger of Florida, cannot document a single Jewish lie about the
Holocaust.

Kids, don't breed with your uncles - don't be a Seredin!

http://www.newtimesbpb.com/Issues/2006-09-21/news/feature.html

Net Hate in Neverland

To locals, he's a roadside instutition. But to the Usenet, he's a monster.

By Julia Reischel
Article Published Sep 21, 2006

When Mickey Ben-Tovim drives by Peter Pan Gifts, a small seashell shop in Delray Beach,
he slows his Ferarri and squints through the windows cluttered with conchs and cowries,
searching for a man he wants dead.

"He's truly one of the more vile individuals you'll ever come across," says Ben-Tovim, an
Israeli-born Sarasota computer programmer. "I have on occasion thought about causing him
bodily harm, but then I thought, you know, I'm not going to risk my freedom for his. But
I was a Marine Corps sniper. If I had the urge to kill him, I would've done it a long
time ago, and no one would ever find out."

For at least a decade, 74-year-old Alex Seredin, owner and proprietor of Peter Pan Gifts,
has spent his nights posting Internet messages filled with his hatred of Jews. A search
on his e-mail address produces thousands of messages laced with all-caps profanity and
the word kike.

Using a variety of pseudonyms such as "El Conquistador" and "Strider," all of which trace
back to the same BellSouth account, Seredin is a regular presence on messageboards
dedicated to Jewish culture and Holocaust denial. Under "Serwad," his oldest nom de
guerre, he writes with unflagging passion about the sins, as he sees them, of Israel and
Jewry.

In a typical message, titled "HOLOCAUST IS THE JEW LIE AND DOWNFALL," Seredin explains
that anti-Semitism is the fault of Jews themselves: "I am not against the Jewish people,
but I really think they should know that those of us that are not Jewish, do not sit
around all day every day thinking about being Jewish," he writes. "And that the idea to
introduce oneself as Hello my name is David and I'm a Jew at EVERY encounter is really
what engenders anti-Semitism, let alone that is very tiresome."

Many of his posts quickly degenerate into short, profane volleys with other newsgroup
regulars, with Seredin demonstrating that he has a short temper and an oddball vocabulary
of racial slurs.

"HOW ZIONAZIS FUCK AMERICANS" reads one post. "WATCH OUT KIKE WE ARE COMING" reads
another. "PALESTINIANS SHOULD EXPEL ALL THE BLOODY KIKES" runs a third. "IF THEY DO NOT
WANT TO LEAVE THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN PICK AND SHOVEL!"

By posting dozens of messages like these every day, Seredin has earned a storied
reputation as one of the most venerable and irrational racists in the newsgroup
community.

"There are 200 million Islamo-fascists who are bent on destroying our way of life, and
Seredin is one of those people who buys into it," Ben-Tovim says. "It's anger - it's all
anger."

"His posts all sound alike," says Susan, a Usenet regular from Maryland who has been
sparring with Seredin for years. "They're all the really frothing at the mouth, English
not quite perfect. And then he starts making sexual slurs. He usually speaks about the
clit. He says clacker, which I think is supposed to mean the same thing. He resorts to
this when he's backed into a corner. He's vociferous and gross about it."

The war became a dirty one long ago. Ben-Tovim and others tracked down Seredin's home
address and business and published them on the messageboards, along with his private
telephone number and the name of his wife, Mona.

"I'm getting worried about Alex," one poster wrote in late 2005. "The anger. The upper
case. This is an urgent message to anyone who lives in Delray Beach, Florida. Stop by
Alex's home and shop and see how he is doing! Here are the coordinates."

Seredin, who refused to be photographed for this article, has fought back with similar
tactics but has never managed to shift attacks away from himself. Ben-Tovim says Seredin
serves a useful purpose in the Usenet ecosystem. "Alex is so outrageous that he's
actually a very good example of how ignorant anti-Semitism is," he says. "He's a very
good way of making all anti-Semites look bad. He shouldn't be silenced - he should be
exposed."

The fact that he spends his days selling seashells to aging Floridians out of a store
named for a beloved children's storybook character makes him curiously compelling to
everyone on the messageboards.

"I wonder what the heck he is doing," Susan says. "Sitting in the back waiting for
customers, typing between sales?"

On a recent lazy summer Monday afternoon, Alex Seredin is behind the counter at the
center of his large, whitewashed roadside shop, attending to a belligerent gray-haired
customer while tinny piped-in country music tinkles above.

"Just let me see it!" his patron barks as Seredin handles one of the many shells she is
buying. Square-faced, with a cap of white hair and a large round belly under his lavender
T-shirt, Seredin responds good-naturedly with a genial "ho, ho, ho" as he hands it back
to her. He looks exactly like a tropical Santa Claus after a good shave.

His jolliness soothes his customer. Pawing over her purchases, she becomes pleased. "This
is really going to look kitsch!" she murmurs, delighted.

"There are some real treasures here. It's a wonderful place for kids," Seredin calls
after her in his wheezy Eastern European accent. "Have a good day, my dear."

Though it's officially after business hours, a trickle of customers keeps coming in to
wander through the rows of baby sharks floating in bottles of electric-blue liquid, tubs
of $1 starfish husks, and shells of every variety. Seredin buys the shells in bulk,
shipped over from Indonesia and Malaysia, and resells them to beachcombers looking for
souvenirs. He purchased the store from its original owner in 1996, when Seredin and his
wife followed the snowbirds from Ottawa to Florida and decided to roost.
--
"Hate propaganda is an attack on the truth-seeking process itself.
It is directed to subverting and undermining the search for truth."
(David Matas, Bloody Speech, p. 37)
The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org
Baird Stafford
2007-07-07 09:13:52 UTC
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jews lie about Holocaust. The real Holocaust is when Jewish commissars
slaughtered 100 million Russians, including the murder of Russian Czar and
his young family. THAT IS THE REAL HOLOCAUST AND JEWS SHOULD BE TRIED FOR
IT, EVERYONE OF THEM!
Poor man. Three cards short of a deck, he is.

Baird
jgarbuz
2007-07-07 16:52:46 UTC
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jews lie about Holocaust. The real Holocaust is when Jewish commissars
slaughtered 100 million Russians, including the murder of Russian Czar and
his young family. THAT IS THE REAL HOLOCAUST AND JEWS SHOULD BE TRIED FOR
IT, EVERYONE OF THEM!<
I'll ask you one question: did you or did you not know any of your
grandparents. Yes or no. Not one child of holocaust survivors has ever
seen a single grandparent.
Topaz
2007-07-09 21:11:03 UTC
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By Faurisson

The Unraveling of the Witnesses at the First Zündel Trial (1985)

The important victory won by revisionism in France on April 26, 1983,
would go on to confirm itself in 1985 with the first Zündel trial in
Toronto. I would like to dwell a moment on this trial in order to
underscore the impact on one's point of view, and especially as far as
the testimonies on the Auschwitz gas chambers are concerned: for the
first time since the war, Jewish witnesses were subjected to a regular
cross-examination. Moreover, without wanting to minimize the
importance of the second Zündel trial (that of 1988), I should like it
to be understood that the 1985 trial already contained the seeds for
all that was attained in the 1988 trial, including the report by
Leuchter and all the scientific reports which, in the aftermath, would
proliferate in the wake of the Leuchter Report.

In 1985, as also afterwards in 1988, I served as advisor to Ernst
Zündel and his lawyer, Douglas Christie. I accepted this heavy
responsibility only under condition that all the Jewish witnesses
would, for the first time, be cross-examined on the material nature of
the reported facts, bluntly and without discretion. I had noted, in
effect, that from 1945 to 1985, Jewish witnesses had been granted
virtual immunity. Never had any defense lawyer thought or dared to ask
them for material explanations about the gas chambers (exact location,
physical appearance, dimensions, internal and external structure), or
about the homicidal gassing (the operational procedure from beginning
to end, the tools employed, the precautions taken by the executioners
before, during and after execution).

On rare occasions, as at the trial of Tesch, Drosihn and
Weinbacher,[5] lawyers formulated some unusual questions of a material
nature, hardly troublesome for the witness, but these always found
themselves on the fringes of the more fundamental questions which
should have been asked. No lawyer ever demanded clarifications on a
weapon which, indeed, he had never seen and that no one had ever shown
him. At the major Nuremberg Trial of 1945-46, the German lawyers had
manifested total discretion on this point. At the proceedings against
Eichmann in Jerusalem in 1961, the lawyer Dr. Robert Servatius had not
wanted to raise the question; in a letter on this subject dated June
21, 1974, he wrote me: "Eichmann hat selbst keine Gaskammer gesehen;
die Frage wurde nicht diskutiert; er hat sich aber auch nicht gegen
deren Existenz gewandt" [Eichmann himself had not seen any gas
chamber; the question was not discussed; but neither did he raise the
issue of their existence].[6]

At the Frankfurt Trial of 1963-65, the lawyers showed themselves to be
particularly timid. I should mention that the atmosphere was rather
inhospitable for the defense and the accused. This show trial will
remain as a blot on the honor of German justice as on the person of
Hans Hofmeyer, initially Landgerichtsdirektor, then Senatspräsident.
During more than 180 sessions, the judges and juries, the public
prosecutors and the private parties, the accused and their attorneys,
as well as the journalists who had come from around the world,
accepted as a complete physical representation of the 'crime weapon' a
mere map of the camp of Auschwitz and a map of the camp of Birkenau,
whereupon five minuscule geometric figures were inscribed for the
location of each of the alleged homicidal gas chambers, with the
words, for Auschwitz: "Altes Krematorium", and for Birkenau:
"Krematorium II", "Krematorium III", "Krematorium IV", and
"Krematorium V"! These maps[7] were displayed in the courtroom.

The Revisionists have often compared the Frankfurt trial with the
1450-1650 trials against witchcraft. Nevertheless, at least during
those trials, someone sometimes bothered to describe or depict the
witches' sabbath. At the Frankfurt trial, even among the lawyers who
made difficulties for a witness like Filip Müller, not one asked of a
Jewish witness or a repentant German defendant to describe for him in
greater detail what he was purported to have seen. Despite two
judicial visits to the scene of the crime at Auschwitz, accompanied by
some German lawyers, it seems not one of the latter insisted on any
technical explanations or criminological expertise regarding the
murder weapon. To the contrary, one of them, Anton Reiners, a
Frankfurt lawyer, pushed complacency to the point of having himself
photographed by the press while raising the chute cover by which the
SS supposedly sprinkled Zyklon B granules into the alleged Auschwitz
gas chamber.

And so at Toronto in 1985, I had fully decided to do away with these
anomalies, to break the taboo and, for starters, pose, or rather have
Douglas Christie pose, questions to the experts and Jewish witnesses
as one normally poses in every trial where one is supposed to
establish whether a crime has been committed and, if so, by whom, how
and when.

Fortunately for me, Ernst Zündel accepted my conditions and Douglas
Christie consented to adopt this course of action and to pose to the
experts and witnesses the questions that I would prepare for him. I
was convinced that, in this manner, all might change, and the veil
woven by so many false testimonies could be torn away. While I was not
counting on Ernst Zündel's acquittal and we were all resigned to
paying the price for our audacity, I nevertheless had hope that with
the aid of this far-sighted man of character, and thanks to his
intrepid lawyer, history, if not justice, would at last carry him into
historical prominence.

From the moment of the first cross-examination, a tremor of panic
began to creep its way amid the ranks of the prosecution. Every
evening and throughout most of the night, I would prepare the
questions to ask. In the morning, I would turn over these questions,
accompanied by the necessary documents, to lawyer Doug Christie who,
for his part and with the aid of his female collaborator, conducted
the essentially legal aspects of the effort. During the
cross-examinations, I maintained a position close to the lawyer's
podium and unremittingly furnished, on yellow notepads, supplementary
and improvisational questions according to the experts' and witnesses'
responses.

The expert cited by the prosecution was Dr. Raul Hilberg, author of
The Destruction of European Jews. Day after day, he was subjected to
such humiliation that, when solicited in 1988 by a new prosecutor for
a new trial against Ernst Zündel, Prof. Hilberg refused to return to
give witness; he explained the motive for his refusal in a
confidential letter wherein he acknowledged his fear of having to once
again confront the questions of Douglas Christie. From the
cross-examination of Dr. Raul Hilberg, it was definitively brought out
that no one possessed any proof for the existence either of an order,
a plan, an instruction, or a budget for the presumed physical
extermination of the Jews. Furthermore, no one possessed either an
expertise of the murder weapon (whether gas chamber or gas van), or an
autopsy report establishing the murder of a detainee by poison gas.
However, in the absence of evidence regarding the weapon and victim,
did there exist witnesses of the crime?

A testimony must always be verified. The usual first means of
proceeding to this verification is to confront the assertions of the
witness with the results of investigations or expert opinion regarding
the material nature of the crime. In the case at hand, there were
neither investigations, nor expertise relative to the alleged
Auschwitz gas chambers. Here is what made any cross-examination
difficult. Yet, this difficulty should not serve as an excuse, and one
might even say that a cross-examination becomes ever more
indispensable because, without it, there no longer remains any way of
knowing whether the witness is telling the truth or not.

Jewish Witnesses Finally Cross-Examined:
Arnold Friedman and Dr. Rudolf Vrba

For those persons interested in the technical and documentary means by
which we were nevertheless in a position to severely cross-examine the
two principal Jewish witnesses, Arnold Friedman and Dr. Rudolf Vrba, I
can do no better than to recommend a reading of the trial
transcript.[8] Pages 304-371 cover the questioning and
cross-examination of Arnold Friedman; the latter breaks down on pages
445-446 when he ends by acknowledging that he in fact saw nothing,
that he had spoken from hearsay because, according to him, he had met
persons who were convincing; perhaps, he added, he would have adopted
the position of Mr. Christie rather than that of these other persons
if only Mr. Christie had been able to tell him back then what he was
telling him now!

Dr. Vrba was a witness of exceptional importance. One might even say
about this trial in Toronto that the prosecution had found the means
of recruiting 'Holocaust' expert number one in the person of Dr. Raul
Hilberg, and witness number one in the person of Dr. Rudolf Vrba. The
testimony of this latter gentleman had been one of the principal
sources of the famous War Refugee Board Report on the German
Extermination Camps - Auschwitz and Birkenau, published in November
1944 by the Executive Office of President Roosevelt. Dr. R. Vrba was
also the author of I Cannot Forgive,[9] written in collaboration with
Alan Bestic who, in his preface, declares with regard to him:

"Indeed I would like to pay tribute to him for the immense trouble he
took over every detail; for the meticulous, almost fanatical respect
he revealed for accuracy." (p.2).

,Never perhaps, had a court of justice seen a witness express himself
with more assurance on the Auschwitz gas chambers. Yet, by the end of
the cross-examination, the situation had reversed itself to the point
where Dr. R. Vrba was left with only one explanation for his errors
and his lies: in his book he had, he confessed, resorted to "poetic
license" or, as he was wont to say in Latin, to "licentia poetarum"!

In the end, a bit of drama unfolded: Mr. Griffiths, the prosecutor who
had himself solicited the presence of this witness numero uno and yet
now apparently exasperated by Dr. Vrba's lies, fired off the following
question:

"You told Mr. Christie several times in discussing your book I Cannot
Forgive that you used poetic license in writing that book. Have you
used poetic license in your testimony?" (p. 1636).

The false witness tried to parry the blow but prosecutor Griffiths hit
him with a second question equally treacherous, this time concerning
the number of gassing victims which Vrba had given; the witness
responded with garrulous nonsense; Griffiths was getting ready to ask
him a third and final question when suddenly, the matter was cut short
and one heard the prosecutor say to the judge:

"I have no further questions for Dr. Vrba" (p. 1643).

Crestfallen, the witness left the dock. Dr. Vrba's initial
questioning, cross-examination and final questioning filled 400 pages
of transcripts (pp. 1244-1643). These pages could readily be used in
an encyclopedia of law under a chapter on the detection of false
witnesses.

The Prosecution Gives up on Calling Witnesses

Three years later, in 1988, during the second trial against Ernst
Zündel, the public prosecutor deemed it prudent to abandon any
recourse to witnesses. Canadian justice had apparently understood the
lesson of the first trial: there were no credible witnesses to the
existence and operation of the 'Nazi gas chambers'.

Little by little, every other country in the world has learned this
same lesson. At the trial of Klaus Barbie in France, in 1987, there
was talk about the gas chambers of Auschwitz but no one produced any
witnesses who could properly speak about them.[10] The attorney
Jacques Vergès, courageous yet not foolhardy, preferred to avoid the
subject. This was a stroke of luck for the Jewish lawyers who feared
nothing so much as to see me appearing at the side of Mr. Vergès. If
this gentleman had accepted my offer to counsel him, we in France
might have been able to strike a tremendous blow against the myth of
the gas chambers.

All the while in France, during several revisionist trials, Jewish
witnesses sometimes came to evoke the gas chambers but none of them
testified before the court as to having seen one or having
participated in a homicidal gassing by hauling bodies out of the 'gas
chambers'.

Today, gas chamber witnesses are making themselves extremely scarce
and the Demjanjuk trial in Israel, which once again has revealed how
much false testimony is involved in the matter, has contributed to the
suppression. Several years ago, it happened that I was aggressively
questioned at the rear of a law court by elderly Jews who presented
themselves as "living witnesses to the gas chambers of Auschwitz",
showing me their tattoos. It was necessary for me only to ask them to
look me in the eyes and to describe for me a gas chamber that
inevitably they retorted:

"How could I do this? If I had seen a gas chamber with my own eyes I
would not be here today to speak with you; I myself would have been
gassed also."

This brings us back, as one can see, to Simone Veil and her
declaration of May 7, 1983, about which we already know what we should
think…

http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com

http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/

http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
Theodore Herzl
2007-07-06 21:23:05 UTC
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Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
urban legends???
Jews declared war on Germany in 1933, and thus the Jews were
considered enemies of Germany and sent to concentration camps while
they awaited deportation from Germany, but because of the history of
Jews during the Bolshevik revolution where the Jews murdered the
Russian royal family along with tens of millions of Russian
Christians. nobody in the world wanted the Jews in their countries
either. So, in order to sneak into other countries who refused to
allow the commie lovin' Jews to enter, like the US for instance, many
changed their names to hide their criminal past. From the factual
forensic evidence, Red Cross records and world census data, it is
estimated that 200-300,000 Jews died of Typhus and other diseases at
the end of the war, but there is absolutely not a shred of physical
evidence, documents or forensic evidence to support the claims of the
Holocaust industry..... Not a single one.
p***@yahoo.com
2007-07-07 09:39:39 UTC
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Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
urban legends???
Dear all,
One must note that all Muslims are foolish which means that the
Muslims have the knowledge of Islam but lack understanding because
the
Muslims do not read the Quran TO UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH of the
falsehood of Islam.
If the Muslims had been wise, they would know that Allah calls
Mohammed A LIAR in sura 24:13 because Mohammed did not have the
4 eye-witnesses to substantiate the sayings of Mohammed as TRUE.
Only the Islamists(ISLAM CLERICS,ISLAMIC STUDENTS) know that they
are allowed to speak lies when propagating Islam under Islamic tenet
known as Taqiya which is lying allowed by Islam to its believers when
progating Islam. Hence, it explains why to all Muslims the holocaust
is a
hoax even though it is true.
Now comes the question every Muslims must KNOW the answer: if lying
is
allowed in Islam, how TRUE is Islam?

Muslims must be educated of the falsehood of Islam: Allah is true,
but
Mohammed is not; for Mohammed was a false prophet who lied because
he, Mohammed, did not have the 4 eye-witnesses requried under sura
24:13 to substantiate his sayings as true!

Amen.
Venceremos
2007-07-07 12:23:28 UTC
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Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
urban legends???
Dear all,
One must note that all Muslims are foolish which means that the
Muslims have the knowledge of Islam but lack understanding because
the
Muslims do not read the Quran TO UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH of the
falsehood of Islam.
If the Muslims had been wise, they would know that Allah calls
Mohammed A LIAR in sura 24:13 because Mohammed did not have the
4 eye-witnesses to substantiate the sayings of Mohammed as TRUE.
DON'T GET YOUR BALLS TIED IN A KNOT! HOW MANY WITNESSES DO YOU HAVE OF
MOSES GETTING TEN COMMANDMENTS?
p***@yahoo.com
2007-07-07 15:10:53 UTC
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Post by p***@yahoo.com
Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
urban legends???
Dear all,
One must note that all Muslims are foolish which means that the
Muslims have the knowledge of Islam but lack understanding because
the
Muslims do not read the Quran TO UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH of the
falsehood of Islam.
If the Muslims had been wise, they would know that Allah calls
Mohammed A LIAR in sura 24:13 because Mohammed did not have the
4 eye-witnesses to substantiate the sayings of Mohammed as TRUE.
DON'T GET YOUR BALLS TIED IN A KNOT! HOW MANY WITNESSES DO YOU HAVE OF
MOSES GETTING TEN COMMANDMENTS?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
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Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
urban legends???
Dear all,
One must note that all Muslims are foolish which means that the
Muslims have the knowledge of Islam but lack understanding because
the
Muslims do not read the Quran TO UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH of the
falsehood of Islam.
If the Muslims had been wise, they would know that Allah calls
Mohammed A LIAR in sura 24:13 because Mohammed did not have the
4 eye-witnesses to substantiate the sayings of Mohammed as TRUE.
DON'T GET YOUR BALLS TIED IN A KNOT! HOW MANY WITNESSES DO YOU HAVE OF
MOSES GETTING TEN COMMANDMENTS?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Venceremos wrote questioning:
"How many witnesses did Moses have when he received the 10
commandment?'

My reply:
The number of witnesses Moses had when he received the 10
commandment is mentioned in the Bible as follows:
1) Exodus 19:9-25 clearly shows the True Allah being a wise God
wanted witnesses (to substantiate the truth of the sayings of Moses)
when He, Almighty God, appointed Moses as the Messenger of the
True Allah who received the Law of God; and
2) Exodus 38:27 mentions the total number of witnesses as 603,550
men under the age of 20 excluding babies, maidens and women.

Thus Moses was truly appointed the Messenger of Allah with the
Almighty God, Himself, bearing witness for Moses WHEREAS
for Mohammed, he claimed that angel Gabriel spoke to him that
Allah appointed him, Mohammed, as the Last Messenger of God;
and Mohammed lied that he was appointed the LAST Messenger of
Allah in order to have all the Muslims fooled into believing that the
True Allah speaks no more to its believers, and the Muslims hence
do not speak to ask the True Allah about the integrity of Mohammed.

Mohammed, as a matter of fact, did not have any human witness,
and the Allah rightly call Mohammed A LIAR under sura 24:13 of
the Quran!

A wise person will verify the sayings of anyone who claims to be
the Last Messenger of Allah so that he/she will be deceived by
Satan disguised as Allah.

So, dear Muslims, seek Allah in prayer to verify the sayings of
Mohammed so that you would not be deceived by Satan as Allah.
Do not recite prayer like the 5 daily prayers. Know ye that
recitation of prayer is you toward Allah only, BUT PRAYING is
you speak to Allah and Allah speak to you.

The Bible say that only God can give WISDOM which is knowledge
with understanding in
Proverb 2:6 "For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth
comes knowledge and understanding." So, be Wise!


Amen
p***@yahoo.com
2007-07-07 12:22:43 UTC
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Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
urban legends???
Dear all,
One must note that all Muslims are foolish which means that the
Muslims have the knowledge of Islam but lack understanding because
the
Muslims do not read the Quran TO UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH of the
falsehood of Islam.
If the Muslims had been wise, they would know that Allah calls
Mohammed A LIAR in sura 24:13 because Mohammed did not have the
4 eye-witnesses to substantiate the sayings of Mohammed as TRUE.
Only the Islamists(ISLAM CLERICS,ISLAMIC STUDENTS) know that they
are allowed to speak lies when propagating Islam under Islamic tenet
known as Taqiya which is lying allowed by Islam to its believers when
propagating Islam.

Hence, it explains why to all Muslims have been posting lie after
lie;
for lying is not a sin if Muslims believe they are propagating Islam!

Now comes the question every Muslims must KNOW the answer: if lying
is
allowed in Islam, how TRUE is Islam?

Muslims must be educated of the falsehood of Islam: Allah is true,
but
Mohammed is not; for Mohammed was a false prophet who lied because
he, Mohammed, did not have the 4 eye-witnesses requried under sura
24:13 to substantiate his sayings as true!

Compare it with the lies of Hitler, a son of a Jew born out of wedlock
and
kicked out of Jewry. Denied by his people, it thus explains Hitler's
desire for
the Aryan race, and his hatred for his own people, the Jews, whom he
killed
over 6 millions.

Hitler lied that he was a German when he was not, and he lied over and
over again that he was winning the battles of the war when he was
losing.
Only when allied air forces bombed the daylight out of Germany the
Germans then realized Hitler had lied about the outcome of the war!
Nevertheless, the holocaust was part of HaShem's plan to gather the
Jews
from 4 corners of the earth back to Jerusalem as prophesied by many
Hebrew
prophets. No one should be claimed for the holocaust for it was part
of God's
plan for the Israelites.


Amen.
p***@yahoo.com
2007-07-07 14:12:24 UTC
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Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
urban legends???
Dear all,
One must note that all Muslims are foolish which means that the
Muslims have the knowledge of Islam but lack understanding because
the
Muslims do not read the Quran TO UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH of the
falsehood of Islam.
If the Muslims had been wise, they would know that Allah calls
Mohammed A LIAR in sura 24:13 because Mohammed did not have the
4 eye-witnesses to substantiate the sayings of Mohammed as TRUE.
Only the Islamists(ISLAM CLERICS,ISLAMIC STUDENTS) know that they
are allowed to speak lies when propagating Islam under Islamic tenet
known as Taqiya which is lying allowed by Islam to its believers when
propagating Islam.

Hence, it explains why to all Muslims have been posting lie after
lie;
for lying is not a sin if Muslims believe they are propagating Islam!

Now comes the question every Muslims must KNOW the answer: if lying
is
allowed in Islam, how TRUE is Islam?

Muslims must be educated of the falsehood of Islam: Allah is true,
but
Mohammed is not; for Mohammed was a false prophet who lied because
he, Mohammed, did not have the 4 eye-witnesses requried under sura
24:13 to substantiate his sayings as true!

Compare it with the lies of Hitler, a son of a Jew born out of wedlock
and
kicked out of Jewry. Denied by his people, it thus explains Hitler's
desire for
the Aryan race, and his hatred for his own people, the Jews, whom he
killed
over 6 millions.

Hitler lied that he was a German when he was not, and he lied over and
over again that he was winning the battles of the war when he was
losing.
Only when allied air forces bombed the daylight out of Germany the
Germans then realized Hitler had lied about the outcome of the war!
Nevertheless, the holocaust was part of HaShem's plan to gather the
Jews
from 4 corners of the earth back to Jerusalem as prophesied by many
Hebrew
prophets. No one should be blamed for the holocaust for it was part of
God's
plan for the Israelites as everyone involved in the holocaust would be
judged by God on the Judgement Day of the Great White Throne
accordingly by their deeds.


Amen.
Venceremos
2007-07-07 18:20:35 UTC
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Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
urban legends???
Dear all,
One must note that all Muslims are foolish which means that the
Muslims have the knowledge of Islam but lack understanding because
the
Muslims do not read the Quran
IT IS ENOUGH THAT YOU READ THE HOLY QURAN, SO YOU CAN EXPLAIN IT TO
ALL OF US. FUCKING ARSEHOLE!
p***@yahoo.com
2007-07-07 20:15:01 UTC
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Post by p***@yahoo.com
Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
urban legends???
Dear all,
One must note that all Muslims are foolish which means that the
Muslims have the knowledge of Islam but lack understanding because
the
Muslims do not read the Quran
IT IS ENOUGH THAT YOU READ THE HOLY QURAN, SO YOU CAN EXPLAIN IT TO
ALL OF US. FUCKING ARSEHOLE!
Dear all,
Venecermos wrote requesting for a true explanation of the
falsehood of the Quran:
"IT IS ENOUGH THAT YOU READ THE HOLY QURAN, SO
YOU CAN EXPLAIN IT TO ALL OF US. FUCKING ARSEHOLE!".

My explanation of the "Holy" Quran which is false as follows:
If the Quran is indeed holy, then its Last Messenger,
Mohammed, would not at the age of 53 be eyeing to have sex
in marriage with a 5 year old girl named Aisha. Morally speaking,
it is lust of an old man; and customarily speaking, it is ethically
wrong even in Arabic tradition where only young boy could marry
young girl of pre-teen age.
Moreover, Mohammed had more than 11 wives. One would ask
why would a holy man especially the Last Messenger of the
True Allah need a 5 years old baby girl for a wife when he was
already 54, and why would he need so many wives for in view
of the fact that a holy Messenger of the True Allah would have to
spend more time propagating the Word of the True Allah instead
of spending time with his wives of whom his first wife, Khatijah,
was old enough to be Mohammed's mother.

Hence, the Quran is false holy book because its prophet,
Mohammed, was not holy enough to be a true prophet!
And if the Quran was a holy book, why would Muslims use
unholy language=vulgar words whenever they ran out of the
truth in a debate? Of whom you are one.


Amen.
Dr Shaft
2007-07-07 14:27:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
urban legends???
Lucas I assume your off your tiny head on ice whilst getting rogered
from behind by Heinrich and Binyamin whilst working the keyboard.

Dr Shaft
w***@sympatico.ca
2007-07-07 22:42:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dr Shaft
Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
urban legends???
Lucas I assume your off your tiny head on ice whilst getting rogered
from behind by Heinrich and Binyamin whilst working the keyboard.
Dr Shaft
I realize this is not our group's topic, but for anyone interested,
there is a remarkable skeptical documentary on this subject which may
be found on YouTube by searching "David Cole Auschwitz".

Bill King
Dr Shaft
2007-07-08 00:55:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by w***@sympatico.ca
Post by Dr Shaft
Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
urban legends???
Lucas I assume your off your tiny head on ice whilst getting rogered
from behind by Heinrich and Binyamin whilst working the keyboard.
Dr Shaft
I realize this is not our group's topic, but for anyone interested,
there is a remarkable skeptical documentary on this subject which may
be found on YouTube by searching "David Cole Auschwitz".
Bill King
You've gotta be joking Billy boy. Why would you feed the fantasies of
these assholes ? You have no idea how many of these neo-nazi fucks
there are, they need to be taught a stern lesson. Quite clearly the
events of 1945 are beginning to blur for some of these boys. Quite a
few of the idiots actually believe they won the war.

Dr Shaft
w***@sympatico.ca
2007-07-08 01:09:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dr Shaft
Post by w***@sympatico.ca
Post by Dr Shaft
Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
urban legends???
Lucas I assume your off your tiny head on ice whilst getting rogered
from behind by Heinrich and Binyamin whilst working the keyboard.
Dr Shaft
I realize this is not our group's topic, but for anyone interested,
there is a remarkable skeptical documentary on this subject which may
be found on YouTube by searching "David Cole Auschwitz".
Bill King
You've gotta be joking Billy boy. Why would you feed the fantasies of
these assholes ? You have no idea how many of these neo-nazi fucks
there are, they need to be taught a stern lesson. Quite clearly the
events of 1945 are beginning to blur for some of these boys. Quite a
few of the idiots actually believe they won the war.
Dr Shaft- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Interestingly, this prompted me to watch the video documentatry again,
and I see YouTube has deleted the Engish-titled version but you may
see the German titlted (but English) version, find it by adding "von"
to the search. I would be interested in what other posters think of
it.

Bill.
Hugh Gibbons
2007-07-08 04:16:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by w***@sympatico.ca
Post by Dr Shaft
Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
urban legends???
Lucas I assume your off your tiny head on ice whilst getting rogered
from behind by Heinrich and Binyamin whilst working the keyboard.
Dr Shaft
I realize this is not our group's topic, but for anyone interested,
there is a remarkable skeptical documentary on this subject which may
be found on YouTube by searching "David Cole Auschwitz".
And there are remarkable mainstream published works confirming many
of the details of the history of the Nazis' attempts to exterminate
Jewry in Europe. There are hundreds of published firsthand accounts,
both from Jews who survived the camps and from soldiers who set those
survivors free.
Dr Shaft
2007-07-08 06:31:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Hugh Gibbons
Post by w***@sympatico.ca
Post by Dr Shaft
Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
urban legends???
Lucas I assume your off your tiny head on ice whilst getting rogered
from behind by Heinrich and Binyamin whilst working the keyboard.
Dr Shaft
I realize this is not our group's topic, but for anyone interested,
there is a remarkable skeptical documentary on this subject which may
be found on YouTube by searching "David Cole Auschwitz".
And there are remarkable mainstream published works confirming many
of the details of the history of the Nazis' attempts to exterminate
Jewry in Europe. There are hundreds of published firsthand accounts,
both from Jews who survived the camps and from soldiers who set those
survivors free.
The neo-nazis tend to be split, those who deny it occurred and those
that don't but think it was a good thing. Either way.....

Dr Shaft
TMOliver
2007-07-08 19:03:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Hugh Gibbons
And there are remarkable mainstream published works confirming many
of the details of the history of the Nazis' attempts to exterminate
Jewry in Europe. There are hundreds of published firsthand accounts,
both from Jews who survived the camps and from soldiers who set those
survivors free.
Anecdotes may be worth little in the marketplace of factual history v. the
nastiest brand of revisionism from a particularly loathsome breed of
dung-eating nightcrawlers, but I have this elderly uncle, called forth as he
begun his third year at Texas A&M to become a novice 2LT of Armor, landing
soon after June 6, and making his way across Europe during a period of high
attrition which brought him his majority and his own battalion of hardened
survivors anxious to get through it all and get home. MAJ C. C. recounts no
war stories, no tales of daring do, no legends of armored spearpoints
clashing amidst blood and fire. He will, however, describe to his younger
relatives, especially the children among them, the liberation of a "camp"
and the ghastly and appalling sights, sounds and smells there. Apparently,
in an incident not uncommon at the time, yet hardly the stuff of war
tribunals, some of his men, particularly offended as young men might be by
that sort of thing, stripped and wired some of the guards to the camp's
fence and left them for the prisoners, a hodge-podge of various European
ethnicity including a few surviving Gypsies and Jews. I've never heard him
describe the results, but his silence is adequate description. As portrayed
in movies and TV series, local civilians were dragooned to the site to
gather and inter the dead. Oven-less and without gas chambers, the camp is
question seemed to have relied on plain old starvation and exhaustion
augmented by a lot of close range small arms fire to reduce/limit
population.

TM "I opine that we've had enough of the squawks of a miserable breed of
turdlets." Oliver
Paul Cassel
2007-07-08 22:49:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by TMOliver
Anecdotes may be worth little in the marketplace of factual history v. the
nastiest brand of revisionism
My first job was with a bunch of guys who were much older than I was.
They were all WWII vets. Two of them had 'liberated' the camps under
question. They told me stories of what they found. Clearly, the Germans
were using these camps to forge a mono-culture which was their idea of a
perfect society.

I can see no reason to doubt their remembrances. I spent time thinking
about it long and hard. These old cow-orkers of mine never escaped those
images they encountered when they were young. You could see the 'haunt'
in their eyes as they spoke of it.

No, they weren't Jews.

I don't doubt that with careful x-examination, you can find
inconsistencies in the Jews' and others' stories about the German social
engineering camps. So what? You can find inconsistencies in peoples'
remembrance of if the sun rises in the east or west.

-Paul
Le Trôle
2007-07-09 01:21:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by TMOliver
TM "I opine that we've had enough of the squawks of a miserable breed of
turdlets." Oliver
Oh fook, I cleared my killfile, and damned if your first appearance
wasn't a 9 million word digression in response to a skinhead.

Read your work, dude. It's too long. You suck at prose.
TMOliver
2007-07-09 14:17:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Le Trôle
Post by TMOliver
TM "I opine that we've had enough of the squawks of a miserable breed of
turdlets." Oliver
Oh fook, I cleared my killfile, and damned if your first appearance
wasn't a 9 million word digression in response to a skinhead.
Read your work, dude. It's too long. You suck at prose.
While you might not appreciate this turgid example, dipshit, I hope you're
aware that I get paid a lot more for much of my prose than you make at your
keyboard. I'll take the checks as of greater value than any critique on
your part.

TM "Any mouse can be anonymous." Oliver
Le Trôle
2007-07-09 20:11:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by TMOliver
Post by Le Trôle
Post by TMOliver
TM "I opine that we've had enough of the squawks of a miserable breed of
turdlets." Oliver
Oh fook, I cleared my killfile, and damned if your first appearance
wasn't a 9 million word digression in response to a skinhead.
Read your work, dude. It's too long. You suck at prose.
While you might not appreciate this turgid example, dipshit, I hope you're
aware that I get paid a lot more for much of my prose than you make at your
keyboard. I'll take the checks as of greater value than any critique on
your part.
Oh dear, there you go again. You couldn't even manage a simple response.
Your last sentence appears to be missing something. Yes, I can gather the
meaning, but hey, just try diagramming the poor thing. Read your work, dude.
It's too long. You suck at prose.

"While you may not appreciate this turgid example, dipshit, be aware
that I make much more for my prose than you make at your keyboard.
My cheques say more than your critique."

From 48 down to 32 words, and damned if it doesn't make more sense.

You don't use words to express thoughts, you assemble cliches.Your style is
tiresome and trite. It's hard to read anything you've written without
imagining
Charlie Brown's teacher going "wa, wuwah wah, wuh wa wa, wuwah wah".
f***@verizon.net
2007-07-10 04:26:35 UTC
Permalink
Stay killfiled, moron.

Susan
"
f***@verizon.net
2007-07-10 04:26:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by TMOliver
Post by Le Trôle
Post by TMOliver
TM "I opine that we've had enough of the squawks of a miserable breed of
turdlets." Oliver
Oh fook, I cleared my killfile, and damned if your first appearance
wasn't a 9 million word
I smell jealousy....
Post by TMOliver
Post by Le Trôle
digression in response to a skinhead.
Read your work, dude. It's too long. You suck at prose.
Yep- jealousy.
Post by TMOliver
While you might not appreciate this turgid example, dipshit, I hope you're
aware that I get paid a lot more for much of my prose than you make at your
keyboard. I'll take the checks as of greater value than any critique on
your part.
TM "Any mouse can be anonymous." Oliver
And they usually are.

Susan
Richard Casady
2007-07-10 12:33:54 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:17:13 -0500, "TMOliver"
Post by TMOliver
Post by Le Trôle
Post by TMOliver
TM "I opine that we've had enough of the squawks of a miserable breed of
turdlets." Oliver
Oh fook, I cleared my killfile, and damned if your first appearance
wasn't a 9 million word digression in response to a skinhead.
Read your work, dude. It's too long. You suck at prose.
Those who do not agree can find his stuff at scimilnaval the naval
science group. There is plenty of other stuff for those who don't like
the military.
Post by TMOliver
While you might not appreciate this turgid example, dipshit, I hope you're
aware that I get paid a lot more for much of my prose than you make at your
keyboard. I'll take the checks as of greater value than any critique on
your part.
TM "Any mouse can be anonymous." Oliver
Casady
Le Trôle
2007-07-11 01:03:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Richard Casady
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:17:13 -0500, "TMOliver"
Post by Le Trôle
Post by TMOliver
TM "I opine that we've had enough of the squawks of a miserable
breed of turdlets." Oliver
Oh fook, I cleared my killfile, and damned if your first appearance
wasn't a 9 million word digression in response to a skinhead.
Read your work, dude. It's too long. You suck at prose.
Those who do not agree can find his stuff at scimilnaval the naval
science group.
But those who do agree can find his boorish drivel right here.
TMOliver may be a passable technical writer, but he sucks at prose.
He's a pompous buffoon. He's a wannabee Garrison Keillor, a rambling
blowhard who mistakes uses of "critter" and "crick" for folksy banter.
f***@verizon.net
2007-07-09 06:50:43 UTC
Permalink
Please thank your uncle for me.

Susan
Post by TMOliver
Post by Hugh Gibbons
And there are remarkable mainstream published works confirming many
of the details of the history of the Nazis' attempts to exterminate
Jewry in Europe. There are hundreds of published firsthand accounts,
both from Jews who survived the camps and from soldiers who set those
survivors free.
Anecdotes may be worth little in the marketplace of factual history v. the
nastiest brand of revisionism from a particularly loathsome breed of
dung-eating nightcrawlers, but I have this elderly uncle, called forth as he
begun his third year at Texas A&M to become a novice 2LT of Armor, landing
soon after June 6, and making his way across Europe during a period of high
attrition which brought him his majority and his own battalion of hardened
survivors anxious to get through it all and get home. MAJ C. C. recounts no
war stories, no tales of daring do, no legends of armored spearpoints
clashing amidst blood and fire. He will, however, describe to his younger
relatives, especially the children among them, the liberation of a "camp"
and the ghastly and appalling sights, sounds and smells there.
Apparently,
in an incident not uncommon at the time, yet hardly the stuff of war
tribunals, some of his men, particularly offended as young men might be by
that sort of thing, stripped and wired some of the guards to the camp's
fence and left them for the prisoners, a hodge-podge of various European
ethnicity including a few surviving Gypsies and Jews. I've never heard him
describe the results, but his silence is adequate description. As portrayed
in movies and TV series, local civilians were dragooned to the site to
gather and inter the dead. Oven-less and without gas chambers, the camp is
question seemed to have relied on plain old starvation and exhaustion
augmented by a lot of close range small arms fire to reduce/limit
population.
TM "I opine that we've had enough of the squawks of a miserable breed of
turdlets." Oliver
f***@verizon.net
2007-07-08 08:14:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by w***@sympatico.ca
Post by Dr Shaft
Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
urban legends???
Lucas I assume your off your tiny head on ice whilst getting rogered
from behind by Heinrich and Binyamin whilst working the keyboard.
Dr Shaft
I realize this is not our group's topic, but for anyone interested,
there is a remarkable skeptical documentary on this subject
Only degenerates are interested in hate porn.

Susan
Dr Shaft
2007-07-08 10:24:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by w***@sympatico.ca
Post by Dr Shaft
Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
urban legends???
Lucas I assume your off your tiny head on ice whilst getting rogered
from behind by Heinrich and Binyamin whilst working the keyboard.
Dr Shaft
I realize this is not our group's topic, but for anyone interested,
there is a remarkable skeptical documentary on this subject
Only degenerates are interested in hate porn.
Susan
I tend to agree Suzy, and I am quite surprised that someone as
intelligent as Billy King would even joke about something like this.

Dr Shaft
Mordecai
2007-07-08 10:38:39 UTC
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Post by Dr Shaft
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by w***@sympatico.ca
Post by Dr Shaft
Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
urban legends???
Lucas I assume your off your tiny head on ice whilst getting rogered
from behind by Heinrich and Binyamin whilst working the keyboard.
Dr Shaft
I realize this is not our group's topic, but for anyone interested,
there is a remarkable skeptical documentary on this subject
Only degenerates are interested in hate porn.
Susan
I tend to agree Suzy, and I am quite surprised that someone as
intelligent as Billy King would even joke about something like this.
Dr Shaft
Just to clue you in ... if you see a post with alt.talk.royalty, or
alt.diablo, then you are speaking to "the rev."
He impersonates "susan" - cross dressing and all that. Quite a sweat
personality he has as susan - much better than when he is the rev.

Please remove the extra news groups if you reply - they have enough of this
man.
And remember you are not talking to susan.

Oh and the rev likes to be called "thick irish cunt" when he impersonates
Susan. Weird I know but he gets off on it.
I think I would prefer camel or sheep - not having tried them ... but getting
your rocks off on "thick irish cunt" without a woman with a whip seems so far
out on a limb that it is preferable. Come to think of it - I have not tried
the woman with the whip either. Sigh - I guess i am not sexually adventurer
enough.

Anyway - have fun ... and do be prepared after going on a date to find that
extra ... "surprise" when you get back to her place.

--
Mordecai!

When words and actions disagree, believe actions.
When rhetoric and reality disagree, either rhetoric is wrong or reality is
wrong, and reality is Never wrong.
f***@verizon.net
2007-07-08 17:21:18 UTC
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Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by w***@sympatico.ca
Post by Dr Shaft
Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed. But there
is not much reliable evidence and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
urban legends???
Lucas I assume your off your tiny head on ice whilst getting rogered
from behind by Heinrich and Binyamin whilst working the keyboard.
Dr Shaft
I realize this is not our group's topic, but for anyone interested,
there is a remarkable skeptical documentary on this subject
Only degenerates are interested in hate porn.
NOT Susan
Only bgots refer to those of a different sexual disorientation as
"degenerates".

Susan
f***@verizon.net
2007-07-08 18:39:56 UTC
Permalink
Yes, that's right: that's exactly what this stupid loser is, & the headers
prove it.

Susan
alt.folklore.urban,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,alt.gossip.royalty
Subject: Re: Did the Holocaust really happen or is it just an urban
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N***@gmail.com
2007-07-09 05:34:53 UTC
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Post by w***@sympatico.ca
Post by Dr Shaft
Lucas I assume your off your tiny head on ice whilst getting rogered
from behind by Heinrich and Binyamin whilst working the keyboard.
Dr Shaft
I realize this is not our group's topic, but for anyone interested,
there is a remarkable skeptical documentary on this subject which may
be found on YouTube by searching "David Cole Auschwitz".
Bill King
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4921098.stm
Most urban legends don't have 17 million records attached to them.

Nick
w***@sympatico.ca
2007-07-09 17:11:31 UTC
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Post by N***@gmail.com
Post by w***@sympatico.ca
Post by Dr Shaft
Lucas I assume your off your tiny head on ice whilst getting rogered
from behind by Heinrich and Binyamin whilst working the keyboard.
Dr Shaft
I realize this is not our group's topic, but for anyone interested,
there is a remarkable skeptical documentary on this subject which may
be found on YouTube by searching "David Cole Auschwitz".
Bill King
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4921098.stm
Most urban legends don't have 17 million records attached to them.
Nick
What 17 million records are you referring to? I understood there are
few if any documents to an express intention by the Nazi leadership to
murder all of the Jews, and that holocaust research proceeded mainly
by witness testimony and INFERENCE from documents of many kinds. This
is not to say that horrific war crimes and crimes against humanity
were not perpetrated by the Nazis especially against the Jews.

I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.) It certainly convinced me
that legitimate questions can be raised about this subject, whereas,
like most, I previously tended to put Holocaust-doubters in the Elvis-
lives category.
f***@verizon.net
2007-07-10 04:27:29 UTC
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Post by w***@sympatico.ca
What 17 million records are you referring to? I understood there are
few if any documents to an express intention by the Nazi leadership to
murder all of the Jews,
I love the weasel words, "I understand."
This way, he can pretend he's not just lying outright.
Weasel words, for a weasel.

Susan
f***@verizon.net
2007-07-10 04:28:00 UTC
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Post by w***@sympatico.ca
I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.)
Stop lying - he is not.

Susan
w***@sympatico.ca
2007-07-10 09:31:06 UTC
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Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by w***@sympatico.ca
I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.)
Stop lying - he is not.
Susan
Please do not accuse me of lying. Mr. Cole talks about his background
in the film and certainly, knowing many Jewish people myself, I do not
see any sign that he is pretending. He seems and inquisitive and frank
young Jewish man. If you have knowledge otherwise, I stand to be
corrected. Or do you just call people liars for the fun of it?

Bill King.
f***@verizon.net
2007-07-10 17:16:22 UTC
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Post by w***@sympatico.ca
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by w***@sympatico.ca
I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.)
Stop lying - he is not.
Susan
Please do not accuse me of lying. Mr. Cole talks about his background
in the film and certainly, knowing many Jewish people myself, I do not
see any sign that he is pretending. He seems and inquisitive and frank
young Jewish man. If you have knowledge otherwise, I stand to be
corrected. Or do you just call people liars for the fun of it?
I call all bgots liars & projectionists, they're also scumbags. Now
go fuck yourself, goyboi.

Susan
f***@verizon.net
2007-07-10 23:05:26 UTC
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Post by w***@sympatico.ca
Post by w***@sympatico.ca
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by w***@sympatico.ca
I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.)
Stop lying - he is not.
Susan
Please do not accuse me of lying. Mr. Cole talks about his background
in the film and certainly, knowing many Jewish people myself, I do not
see any sign that he is pretending.
Oh, please.
Since he lies about Auschwitz, why on earth would he NOT lie about "being
Jewish"?
Post by w***@sympatico.ca
He seems and inquisitive and frank
Post by w***@sympatico.ca
young Jewish man.
Only to bigots.

Susan
f***@verizon.net
2007-07-10 23:06:43 UTC
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Obviously not, as the headers show.
alt.folklore.urban,alt.talk.royalty,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,alt.gossip.royalty
Subject: Re: Did the Holocaust really happen or is it just an urban
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I call all bgots liars & projectionists, they're also scumbags.
Nice of him to admit it, even if he has to pretend to be me to do it.
Now
go fuck yourself, goyboi.
Ah, the other bigot isn't Jewish, hence no overt come-on.
Dr Shaft
2007-07-11 04:05:52 UTC
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I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.)
Stop lying - he is not.
Susan
Please do not accuse me of lying. Mr. Cole talks about his background
in the film and certainly, knowing many Jewish people myself, I do not
see any sign that he is pretending. He seems and inquisitive and frank
young Jewish man. If you have knowledge otherwise, I stand to be
corrected. Or do you just call people liars for the fun of it?
I call all bgots liars & projectionists, they're also scumbags. Now
go fuck yourself, goyboi.
Susan
Well said Suzy, Bill King is a pretentious wanker who reckons he is
being sincere.

Dr Shaft
Shatf
2007-07-11 04:27:34 UTC
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I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.)
Stop lying - he is not.
Susan
Please do not accuse me of lying. Mr. Cole talks about his background
in the film and certainly, knowing many Jewish people myself, I do not
see any sign that he is pretending. He seems and inquisitive and frank
young Jewish man. If you have knowledge otherwise, I stand to be
corrected. Or do you just call people liars for the fun of it?
I call all bgots liars & projectionists, they're also scumbags. Now
go fuck yourself, goyboi.
Susan
Well said Suzy, Bill King is a pretentious wanker who reckons he is
being sincere.
Dr Shaft
And we all thought you like sucking on wanks.. You do love to crosspost
to lots of off topic NG's.
Dr Shaft
2007-07-11 04:44:24 UTC
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I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.)
Stop lying - he is not.
Susan
Please do not accuse me of lying. Mr. Cole talks about his background
in the film and certainly, knowing many Jewish people myself, I do not
see any sign that he is pretending. He seems and inquisitive and frank
young Jewish man. If you have knowledge otherwise, I stand to be
corrected. Or do you just call people liars for the fun of it?
I call all bgots liars & projectionists, they're also scumbags. Now
go fuck yourself, goyboi.
Susan
Well said Suzy, Bill King is a pretentious wanker who reckons he is
being sincere.
Dr Shaft
And we all thought you like sucking on wanks.. You do love to crosspost
to lots of off topic NG's.
I am intrigued. "Sucking on wanks" ?????

Am I breaking new ground crossposting ? Your point is ?
Theodore Herzl
2007-07-11 00:24:05 UTC
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I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.)
Stop lying - he is not.
Susan
Please do not accuse me of lying. Mr. Cole talks about his background
in the film and certainly, knowing many Jewish people myself, I do not
see any sign that he is pretending. He seems and inquisitive and frank
young Jewish man. If you have knowledge otherwise, I stand to be
corrected. Or do you just call people liars for the fun of it?
Bill King.
Ignore Susie, she is bitter because David Cole was born a Jew, while
she is merely a convert. As you can see from her posts, all she does
is spew insults and otherwise try to impugn the character of those
whose post she lacks both the facts and intelligence to refute.
Dr Shaft
2007-07-11 04:07:31 UTC
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Post by w***@sympatico.ca
I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.)
Stop lying - he is not.
Susan
Please do not accuse me of lying. Mr. Cole talks about his background
in the film and certainly, knowing many Jewish people myself, I do not
see any sign that he is pretending. He seems and inquisitive and frank
young Jewish man. If you have knowledge otherwise, I stand to be
corrected. Or do you just call people liars for the fun of it?
Bill King.
Oh please Bill how fucking niave and stupid can you be. Even though we
have had our differences, a sorta half thought you at least had a
brain somewhere, now I know I was wrong. On top of that you sarcastic
and patronising.

Dr Shaft
Ivan
2007-07-11 04:29:00 UTC
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I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.)
Stop lying - he is not.
Susan
Please do not accuse me of lying. Mr. Cole talks about his background
in the film and certainly, knowing many Jewish people myself, I do not
see any sign that he is pretending. He seems and inquisitive and frank
young Jewish man. If you have knowledge otherwise, I stand to be
corrected. Or do you just call people liars for the fun of it?
Bill King.
Oh please Bill how fucking niave and stupid can you be. Even though we
have had our differences, a sorta half thought you at least had a
brain somewhere, now I know I was wrong. On top of that you sarcastic
and patronising.
Dr Shaft
Sounds like the self analysis of a fool.You.
Dr Shaft
2007-07-11 04:45:13 UTC
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Post by Dr Shaft
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Post by w***@sympatico.ca
I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.)
Stop lying - he is not.
Susan
Please do not accuse me of lying. Mr. Cole talks about his background
in the film and certainly, knowing many Jewish people myself, I do not
see any sign that he is pretending. He seems and inquisitive and frank
young Jewish man. If you have knowledge otherwise, I stand to be
corrected. Or do you just call people liars for the fun of it?
Bill King.
Oh please Bill how fucking niave and stupid can you be. Even though we
have had our differences, a sorta half thought you at least had a
brain somewhere, now I know I was wrong. On top of that you sarcastic
and patronising.
Dr Shaft
Sounds like the self analysis of a fool.You.
Ivan are you the forger ?

Or are you simply the hole in which he sticks his micropenis ?
w***@sympatico.ca
2007-07-11 14:05:00 UTC
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Post by Ivan
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Post by w***@sympatico.ca
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by w***@sympatico.ca
I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.)
Stop lying - he is not.
Susan
Please do not accuse me of lying. Mr. Cole talks about his background
in the film and certainly, knowing many Jewish people myself, I do not
see any sign that he is pretending. He seems and inquisitive and frank
young Jewish man. If you have knowledge otherwise, I stand to be
corrected. Or do you just call people liars for the fun of it?
Bill King.
Oh please Bill how fucking niave and stupid can you be. Even though we
have had our differences, a sorta half thought you at least had a
brain somewhere, now I know I was wrong. On top of that you sarcastic
and patronising.
Dr Shaft
Sounds like the self analysis of a fool.You.
Ivan are you the forger ?
Or are you simply the hole in which he sticks his micropenis ?- Hide quoted text -
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My proposition is that the "The Holocaust" is popularly understood to
refer to the attempt by Hitler and the Nazi regime to exerminate the
Jews of Europe and resulted in the murder of approximately 6 million
Jews.

Is this:

1. True?
2. Partly true?
3. A myth?
4. A fabrication?
5. Something else?

As I understand it, a myth is not the same thng as a fantasy, but
rather, a myth may have a basis in truth but is mainly perpetuated
beause it serves extraneous purposes of some kind (a common example
being the search for national glory).

As an aside, I am certain that the vast majority of Jews sinerely
believe that the Holocaust (as defined above) occurred, and I sometime
wonder at the eagerness of so many to cling to this belief. Would it
not come as a relief to some Jews to conclude that perhaps their
people was not as terribly reviled or maltreated as the standard
version of the Holocaust suggests?
Dr Shaft
2007-07-11 15:02:15 UTC
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Post by Ivan
Post by Dr Shaft
Post by w***@sympatico.ca
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by w***@sympatico.ca
I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.)
Stop lying - he is not.
Susan
Please do not accuse me of lying. Mr. Cole talks about his background
in the film and certainly, knowing many Jewish people myself, I do not
see any sign that he is pretending. He seems and inquisitive and frank
young Jewish man. If you have knowledge otherwise, I stand to be
corrected. Or do you just call people liars for the fun of it?
Bill King.
Oh please Bill how fucking niave and stupid can you be. Even though we
have had our differences, a sorta half thought you at least had a
brain somewhere, now I know I was wrong. On top of that you sarcastic
and patronising.
Dr Shaft
Sounds like the self analysis of a fool.You.
Ivan are you the forger ?
Or are you simply the hole in which he sticks his micropenis ?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
My proposition is that the "The Holocaust" is popularly understood to
refer to the attempt by Hitler and the Nazi regime to exerminate the
Jews of Europe and resulted in the murder of approximately 6 million
Jews.
1. True?
2. Partly true?
3. A myth?
4. A fabrication?
5. Something else?
As I understand it, a myth is not the same thng as a fantasy, but
rather, a myth may have a basis in truth but is mainly perpetuated
beause it serves extraneous purposes of some kind (a common example
being the search for national glory).
As an aside, I am certain that the vast majority of Jews sinerely
believe that the Holocaust (as defined above) occurred, and I sometime
wonder at the eagerness of so many to cling to this belief. Would it
not come as a relief to some Jews to conclude that perhaps their
people was not as terribly reviled or maltreated as the standard
version of the Holocaust suggests?
Bill I sincerely hope you that you do not mean what you have just
written. I can not believe this line "I sometime
wonder at the eagerness of so many to cling to this belief". You are
clearly insane, deluded and frankly very very dangerous. How dare you
make such awful comments. You have just pissed upon the memories and
graves of 6 million Jews killed for no reason during WW2. You ought to
be ashamed of yourself......but somehow I don't think you will,
because such a person would not have posted the appalling words that
you did. No one their right mind questions what happened to the Jews,
only cranks and mischief makers. I wonder what category you fall
into ?

Dr Shaft
Tell it like it is.
2007-07-11 18:59:01 UTC
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Post by Ivan
Post by Dr Shaft
Post by w***@sympatico.ca
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Post by w***@sympatico.ca
I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.)
Stop lying - he is not.
Susan
Please do not accuse me of lying. Mr. Cole talks about his background
in the film and certainly, knowing many Jewish people myself, I do not
see any sign that he is pretending. He seems and inquisitive and frank
young Jewish man. If you have knowledge otherwise, I stand to be
corrected. Or do you just call people liars for the fun of it?
Bill King.
Oh please Bill how fucking niave and stupid can you be. Even though we
have had our differences, a sorta half thought you at least had a
brain somewhere, now I know I was wrong. On top of that you sarcastic
and patronising.
Dr Shaft
Sounds like the self analysis of a fool.You.
Ivan are you the forger ?
Or are you simply the hole in which he sticks his micropenis ?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
My proposition is that the "The Holocaust" is popularly understood to
refer to the attempt by Hitler and the Nazi regime to exerminate the
Jews of Europe and resulted in the murder of approximately 6 million
Jews.
1. True?
2. Partly true?
3. A myth?
4. A fabrication?
5. Something else?
As I understand it, a myth is not the same thng as a fantasy, but
rather, a myth may have a basis in truth but is mainly perpetuated
beause it serves extraneous purposes of some kind (a common example
being the search for national glory).
As an aside, I am certain that the vast majority of Jews sinerely
believe that the Holocaust (as defined above) occurred, and I sometime
wonder at the eagerness of so many to cling to this belief. Would it
not come as a relief to some Jews to conclude that perhaps their
people was not as terribly reviled or maltreated as the standard
version of the Holocaust suggests?
Bill I sincerely hope you that you do not mean what you have just
written. I can not believe this line "I sometime
wonder at the eagerness of so many to cling to this belief". You are
clearly insane, deluded and frankly very very dangerous. How dare you
make such awful comments. You have just pissed upon the memories and
graves of 6 million Jews killed for no reason during WW2. You ought to
be ashamed of yourself......but somehow I don't think you will,
because such a person would not have posted the appalling words that
you did. No one their right mind questions what happened to the Jews,
only cranks and mischief makers. I wonder what category you fall
into ?
Dr Shaft- Hide quoted text -
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The same category Mr McVay OBC belongs to using the deaths of six
million innocent victims of Nazi Genocide to inflame the same against
the innocent civilian populations of the ancient and semitic Middle
East.
I remember watching a documentary about a boy's
home for orphans run by the Catholic church. The man in charge was a
brother, a little lower in the church hirearchy than a priest. The guy
was a sadist and treated the kids with cruelty.
Believe it or not one of the kids went back and
visited the place in his adult years, and nearly choked in disbelief
at the staue of the sadist welcoming everyone into the home for boys.
Kenneth McVay OBC
2007-07-11 15:41:04 UTC
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My proposition is that the "The Holocaust" is popularly understood to
refer to the attempt by Hitler and the Nazi regime to exerminate the
Jews of Europe and resulted in the murder of approximately 6 million
Jews.
1. True?
It is true, although the figure 6 million is a convenient rounding
off of historical estimates.

Dr. Richard Korherr, working with Adolf Eichmann, prepared a report
for Himmler which said that the Jewish population in the Reich
and General Government had diminished by 3.1 Million between 1933 and
1942.

This Nazi estimate only included part of Poland and the Reich itself,
so it is significant.

http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/auschwitz/auschwitz-faq-08.html

Historians differ with respect to the probable victim count. Fleming,
for instance, estimated a total of just under 5,000,000, while Bauer,
an equally well qualified and respected Holocaust historian, estimated
just under 6,000,000.

Statistical data from pre-and post-war (circa 1949) shows a drop in
the world's Jewish population of roughly 6,000,000.
Post by w***@sympatico.ca
As an aside, I am certain that the vast majority of Jews sinerely
believe that the Holocaust (as defined above) occurred, and I sometime
wonder at the eagerness of so many to cling to this belief. Would it
not come as a relief to some Jews to conclude that perhaps their
people was not as terribly reviled or maltreated as the standard
version of the Holocaust suggests?
Jews believe the Holocaust occurred because it did. They know that
entire extended families disappeared, never to return. They know
that their grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc. who survived have
related horrendous stories about the camps, stories corroborated
by others.

The only folks I've run across in the past 15 years that insist it
didn't happen were, to a man (or woman, in some cases), virulent
racists.
--
"People want to know all the facts whatever they are true
or not." (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat's Leading Revisionist Scholar
and all-round moron.)
The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org/
f***@verizon.net
2007-07-11 06:12:01 UTC
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I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.)
Stop lying - he is not.
Susan
Please do not accuse me of lying.
I have already taken care of this disingenuous crap elsewhere.
Post by Ivan
Post by Dr Shaft
Oh please Bill how fucking niave and stupid can you be. Even though we
have had our differences, a sorta half thought you at least had a
brain somewhere, now I know I was wrong. On top of that you sarcastic
and patronising.
Dr Shaft
Sounds like the self analysis of a fool.You.
Except that he's dead-on, here.

Susan
Theodore Herzl
2007-07-11 00:20:51 UTC
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Lucas I assume your off your tiny head on ice whilst getting rogered
from behind by Heinrich and Binyamin whilst working the keyboard.
Dr Shaft
I realize this is not our group's topic, but for anyone interested,
there is a remarkable skeptical documentary on this subject which may
be found on YouTube by searching "David Cole Auschwitz".
Bill King
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4921098.stm
Most urban legends don't have 17 million records attached to them.
Nick
What 17 million records are you referring to? I understood there are
few if any documents to an express intention by the Nazi leadership to
murder all of the Jews, and that holocaust research proceeded mainly
by witness testimony and INFERENCE from documents of many kinds. This
is not to say that horrific war crimes and crimes against humanity
were not perpetrated by the Nazis especially against the Jews.
I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.) It certainly convinced me
that legitimate questions can be raised about this subject, whereas,
like most, I previously tended to put Holocaust-doubters in the Elvis-
lives category.- Hide quoted text -
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You are correct, there is absolutely not a single shred of physical
evidence or documents that indicate, much less prove, that there was
ever an extermination program, while there are piles of documents and
evidence that show the great lengths the Germans went to make the
camps livable and to ensure the health of the internees. David
Cole's excellent documentary is a must see for anyone who would like
to learn the true facts about what happened at Auschwitz instead of
the myths and falsehoods that most of us were previously told were
true.


David Cole's excellent documentary can be found here:

Part 1 of 10


Part 2 of 10


Part 3 of 10


Part 4 of 10


Part 5 of 10


Part 6 of 10


Part 7 of 10


Part 8 of 10


Part 9 of 10


Part 10 of 10

Dr Shaft
2007-07-11 00:24:30 UTC
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Post by N***@gmail.com
Post by w***@sympatico.ca
Post by Dr Shaft
Lucas I assume your off your tiny head on ice whilst getting rogered
from behind by Heinrich and Binyamin whilst working the keyboard.
Dr Shaft
I realize this is not our group's topic, but for anyone interested,
there is a remarkable skeptical documentary on this subject which may
be found on YouTube by searching "David Cole Auschwitz".
Bill King
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4921098.stm
Most urban legends don't have 17 million records attached to them.
Nick
What 17 million records are you referring to? I understood there are
few if any documents to an express intention by the Nazi leadership to
murder all of the Jews, and that holocaust research proceeded mainly
by witness testimony and INFERENCE from documents of many kinds. This
is not to say that horrific war crimes and crimes against humanity
were not perpetrated by the Nazis especially against the Jews.
I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.) It certainly convinced me
that legitimate questions can be raised about this subject, whereas,
like most, I previously tended to put Holocaust-doubters in the Elvis-
lives category.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You are correct, there is absolutely not a single shred of physical
evidence or documents that indicate, much less prove, that there was
ever an extermination program, while there are piles of documents and
evidence that show the great lengths the Germans went to make the
camps livable and to ensure the health of the internees. David
Cole's excellent documentary is a must see for anyone who would like
to learn the true facts about what happened at Auschwitz instead of
the myths and falsehoods that most of us were previously told were
true.
Part 1 of http://youtu.be/e0x5V1ea2FI
Part 2 of http://youtu.be/-ZDjKX09y5U
Part 3 of http://youtu.be/bxtq6iKjQCU
Part 4 of http://youtu.be/6d8dZ3xn4zo
Part 5 of http://youtu.be/6LifqWW0mKE
Part 6 of http://youtu.be/uAxI9uTm9mk
Part 7 of http://youtu.be/WDY5GH5Xfkw
Part 8 of http://youtu.be/wWUHX1nwXQc
Part 9 of http://youtu.be/gsaAyDROQw4
Part 10 of http://youtu.be/js3pTcAmgSA
Are you saying the Holocaust did not happen ?

Dr Shaft
Ed
2007-07-11 00:28:45 UTC
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Post by Theodore Herzl
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Post by N***@gmail.com
Post by w***@sympatico.ca
Post by Dr Shaft
Lucas I assume your off your tiny head on ice whilst getting rogered
from behind by Heinrich and Binyamin whilst working the keyboard.
Dr Shaft
I realize this is not our group's topic, but for anyone interested,
there is a remarkable skeptical documentary on this subject which may
be found on YouTube by searching "David Cole Auschwitz".
Bill King
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4921098.stm
Most urban legends don't have 17 million records attached to them.
Nick
What 17 million records are you referring to? I understood there are
few if any documents to an express intention by the Nazi leadership to
murder all of the Jews, and that holocaust research proceeded mainly
by witness testimony and INFERENCE from documents of many kinds. This
is not to say that horrific war crimes and crimes against humanity
were not perpetrated by the Nazis especially against the Jews.
I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.) It certainly convinced me
that legitimate questions can be raised about this subject, whereas,
like most, I previously tended to put Holocaust-doubters in the Elvis-
lives category.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You are correct, there is absolutely not a single shred of physical
evidence or documents that indicate, much less prove, that there was
ever an extermination program, while there are piles of documents and
evidence that show the great lengths the Germans went to make the
camps livable and to ensure the health of the internees. David
Cole's excellent documentary is a must see for anyone who would like
to learn the true facts about what happened at Auschwitz instead of
the myths and falsehoods that most of us were previously told were
true.
Part 1 of http://youtu.be/e0x5V1ea2FI
Part 2 of http://youtu.be/-ZDjKX09y5U
Part 3 of http://youtu.be/bxtq6iKjQCU
Part 4 of http://youtu.be/6d8dZ3xn4zo
Part 5 of http://youtu.be/6LifqWW0mKE
Part 6 of http://youtu.be/uAxI9uTm9mk
Part 7 of http://youtu.be/WDY5GH5Xfkw
Part 8 of http://youtu.be/wWUHX1nwXQc
Part 9 of http://youtu.be/gsaAyDROQw4
Part 10 of http://youtu.be/js3pTcAmgSA
Are you saying the Holocaust did not happen ?
Dr Shaft
Indeed he is. And it's not because he's concerned with historical accuracy.
It's because that by minimizing or even eradicating all evidence of the
Holocaust, it will enable him and those who think like him to embark on a
NEW (and hopefully for him, a 100 effective) Holocaust. His goal is to
out-Holocaust the Nazis.
Theodore Herzl
2007-07-11 00:41:59 UTC
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Post by w***@sympatico.ca
Post by N***@gmail.com
Post by w***@sympatico.ca
Post by Dr Shaft
Lucas I assume your off your tiny head on ice whilst getting rogered
from behind by Heinrich and Binyamin whilst working the keyboard.
Dr Shaft
I realize this is not our group's topic, but for anyone interested,
there is a remarkable skeptical documentary on this subject which may
be found on YouTube by searching "David Cole Auschwitz".
Bill King
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4921098.stm
Most urban legends don't have 17 million records attached to them.
Nick
What 17 million records are you referring to? I understood there are
few if any documents to an express intention by the Nazi leadership to
murder all of the Jews, and that holocaust research proceeded mainly
by witness testimony and INFERENCE from documents of many kinds. This
is not to say that horrific war crimes and crimes against humanity
were not perpetrated by the Nazis especially against the Jews.
I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.) It certainly convinced me
that legitimate questions can be raised about this subject, whereas,
like most, I previously tended to put Holocaust-doubters in the Elvis-
lives category.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You are correct, there is absolutely not a single shred of physical
evidence or documents that indicate, much less prove, that there was
ever an extermination program, while there are piles of documents and
evidence that show the great lengths the Germans went to make the
camps livable and to ensure the health of the internees. David
Cole's excellent documentary is a must see for anyone who would like
to learn the true facts about what happened at Auschwitz instead of
the myths and falsehoods that most of us were previously told were
true.
Part 1 of http://youtu.be/e0x5V1ea2FI
Part 2 of http://youtu.be/-ZDjKX09y5U
Part 3 of http://youtu.be/bxtq6iKjQCU
Part 4 of http://youtu.be/6d8dZ3xn4zo
Part 5 of http://youtu.be/6LifqWW0mKE
Part 6 of http://youtu.be/uAxI9uTm9mk
Part 7 of http://youtu.be/WDY5GH5Xfkw
Part 8 of http://youtu.be/wWUHX1nwXQc
Part 9 of http://youtu.be/gsaAyDROQw4
Part 10 of http://youtu.be/js3pTcAmgSA
Are you saying the Holocaust did not happen ?
Dr Shaft
Indeed he is. And it's not because he's concerned with historical accuracy.
It's because that by minimizing or even eradicating all evidence of the
Holocaust, it will enable him and those who think like him to embark on a
NEW (and hopefully for him, a 100 effective) Holocaust. His goal is to
out-Holocaust the Nazis.
There is no physical evidence or documents to eradicate that prove
there was a holocaust Ed, which is why they people trying to sell the
holocaust are so determined to pass laws in countries to make
questioning what they say illegal, because they know their falsehoods
and tall stories cannot stand up to scrutiny. If they truly
believed what they claim were true, they would be proving it by
presenting irrefutable physical and documented evidence to back up
their claims, but instead they work to imprison teachers and jailing
historians for simply not agreeing with them, which is exactly what a
Nazi would do isn't it.
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Lucas I assume your off your tiny head on ice whilst getting
rogered
from behind by Heinrich and Binyamin whilst working the keyboard.
Dr Shaft
I realize this is not our group's topic, but for anyone interested,
there is a remarkable skeptical documentary on this subject which may
be found on YouTube by searching "David Cole Auschwitz".
Bill King
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4921098.stm
Most urban legends don't have 17 million records attached to them.
Nick
What 17 million records are you referring to? I understood there are
few if any documents to an express intention by the Nazi leadership to
murder all of the Jews, and that holocaust research proceeded mainly
by witness testimony and INFERENCE from documents of many kinds. This
is not to say that horrific war crimes and crimes against humanity
were not perpetrated by the Nazis especially against the Jews.
I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.) It certainly convinced me
that legitimate questions can be raised about this subject, whereas,
like most, I previously tended to put Holocaust-doubters in the Elvis-
lives category.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You are correct, there is absolutely not a single shred of physical
evidence or documents that indicate, much less prove, that there was
ever an extermination program, while there are piles of documents and
evidence that show the great lengths the Germans went to make the
camps livable and to ensure the health of the internees. David
Cole's excellent documentary is a must see for anyone who would like
to learn the true facts about what happened at Auschwitz instead of
the myths and falsehoods that most of us were previously told were
true.
Part 1 of http://youtu.be/e0x5V1ea2FI
Part 2 of http://youtu.be/-ZDjKX09y5U
Part 3 of http://youtu.be/bxtq6iKjQCU
Part 4 of http://youtu.be/6d8dZ3xn4zo
Part 5 of http://youtu.be/6LifqWW0mKE
Part 6 of http://youtu.be/uAxI9uTm9mk
Part 7 of http://youtu.be/WDY5GH5Xfkw
Part 8 of http://youtu.be/wWUHX1nwXQc
Part 9 of http://youtu.be/gsaAyDROQw4
Part 10 of http://youtu.be/js3pTcAmgSA
Are you saying the Holocaust did not happen ?
Dr Shaft
Indeed he is. And it's not because he's concerned with historical accuracy.
It's because that by minimizing or even eradicating all evidence of the
Holocaust, it will enable him and those who think like him to embark on a
NEW (and hopefully for him, a 100 effective) Holocaust. His goal is to
out-Holocaust the Nazis.
There is no physical evidence or documents to eradicate that prove
there was a holocaust Ed, which is why they people trying to sell the
holocaust are so determined to pass laws in countries to make
questioning what they say illegal, because they know their falsehoods
and tall stories cannot stand up to scrutiny. If they truly
believed what they claim were true, they would be proving it by
presenting irrefutable physical and documented evidence to back up
their claims, but instead they work to imprison teachers and jailing
historians for simply not agreeing with them, which is exactly what a
Nazi would do isn't it.- Hide quoted text -
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For anyone in doubt, watch the videos linked below and learn the truth
that the Holocuast industry is trying to make a crime for you to
learn.

David Cole's excellent documentary can be found here:

Part 1 of 10
http://youtu.be/e0x5V1ea2FI

Part 2 of 10
http://youtu.be/-ZDjKX09y5U

Part 3 of 10
http://youtu.be/bxtq6iKjQCU

Part 4 of 10
http://youtu.be/6d8dZ3xn4zo

Part 5 of 10
http://youtu.be/6LifqWW0mKE

Part 6 of 10
http://youtu.be/uAxI9uTm9mk

Part 7 of 10
http://youtu.be/WDY5GH5Xfkw

Part 8 of 10
http://youtu.be/wWUHX1nwXQc

Part 9 of 10
http://youtu.be/gsaAyDROQw4

Part 10 of 10
http://youtu.be/js3pTcAmgSA
Ed
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Lucas I assume your off your tiny head on ice whilst getting
rogered
from behind by Heinrich and Binyamin whilst working the keyboard.
Dr Shaft
I realize this is not our group's topic, but for anyone interested,
there is a remarkable skeptical documentary on this subject
which
may
be found on YouTube by searching "David Cole Auschwitz".
Bill King
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4921098.stm
Most urban legends don't have 17 million records attached to them.
Nick
What 17 million records are you referring to? I understood there are
few if any documents to an express intention by the Nazi leadership to
murder all of the Jews, and that holocaust research proceeded mainly
by witness testimony and INFERENCE from documents of many kinds. This
is not to say that horrific war crimes and crimes against humanity
were not perpetrated by the Nazis especially against the Jews.
I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.) It certainly convinced me
that legitimate questions can be raised about this subject, whereas,
like most, I previously tended to put Holocaust-doubters in the Elvis-
lives category.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You are correct, there is absolutely not a single shred of physical
evidence or documents that indicate, much less prove, that there was
ever an extermination program, while there are piles of documents and
evidence that show the great lengths the Germans went to make the
camps livable and to ensure the health of the internees. David
Cole's excellent documentary is a must see for anyone who would like
to learn the true facts about what happened at Auschwitz instead of
the myths and falsehoods that most of us were previously told were
true.
Part 1 of http://youtu.be/e0x5V1ea2FI
Part 2 of http://youtu.be/-ZDjKX09y5U
Part 3 of http://youtu.be/bxtq6iKjQCU
Part 4 of http://youtu.be/6d8dZ3xn4zo
Part 5 of http://youtu.be/6LifqWW0mKE
Part 6 of http://youtu.be/uAxI9uTm9mk
Part 7 of http://youtu.be/WDY5GH5Xfkw
Part 8 of http://youtu.be/wWUHX1nwXQc
Part 9 of http://youtu.be/gsaAyDROQw4
Part 10 of http://youtu.be/js3pTcAmgSA
Are you saying the Holocaust did not happen ?
Dr Shaft
Indeed he is. And it's not because he's concerned with historical accuracy.
It's because that by minimizing or even eradicating all evidence of the
Holocaust, it will enable him and those who think like him to embark on a
NEW (and hopefully for him, a 100 effective) Holocaust. His goal is to
out-Holocaust the Nazis.
There is no physical evidence or documents to eradicate that prove
there was a holocaust Ed, which is why they people trying to sell the
holocaust are so determined to pass laws in countries to make
questioning what they say illegal, because they know their falsehoods
and tall stories cannot stand up to scrutiny.
No, idiot, it's because to deny the Holocaust is to allow it to happen
again.



If they truly
Post by Theodore Herzl
believed what they claim were true, they would be proving it by
presenting irrefutable physical and documented evidence to back up
their claims, but instead they work to imprison teachers and jailing
historians for simply not agreeing with them, which is exactly what a
Nazi would do isn't it.
The testimony of thousands of people who survived the Holocaust, INCLUDING
Nazis themselves, is evidence enough.

Photographic evidence as well. They didn't have the means to doctor
photographs back then, so what you saw then was real.

When are you going to yank your Jew Hating head out of your rectum and face
reality, Thermidore?

You lie about EVERYTHING!!
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2007-07-11 01:24:10 UTC
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Lucas I assume your off your tiny head on ice whilst getting
rogered
from behind by Heinrich and Binyamin whilst working the
keyboard.
Dr Shaft
I realize this is not our group's topic, but for anyone interested,
there is a remarkable skeptical documentary on this subject
which
may
be found on YouTube by searching "David Cole Auschwitz".
Bill King
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4921098.stm
Most urban legends don't have 17 million records attached to them.
Nick
What 17 million records are you referring to? I understood there are
few if any documents to an express intention by the Nazi leadership to
murder all of the Jews, and that holocaust research proceeded mainly
by witness testimony and INFERENCE from documents of many kinds. This
is not to say that horrific war crimes and crimes against humanity
were not perpetrated by the Nazis especially against the Jews.
I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.) It certainly convinced me
that legitimate questions can be raised about this subject, whereas,
like most, I previously tended to put Holocaust-doubters in the Elvis-
lives category.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You are correct, there is absolutely not a single shred of physical
evidence or documents that indicate, much less prove, that there was
ever an extermination program, while there are piles of documents and
evidence that show the great lengths the Germans went to make the
camps livable and to ensure the health of the internees. David
Cole's excellent documentary is a must see for anyone who would like
to learn the true facts about what happened at Auschwitz instead of
the myths and falsehoods that most of us were previously told were
true.
Part 1 of http://youtu.be/e0x5V1ea2FI
Part 2 of http://youtu.be/-ZDjKX09y5U
Part 3 of http://youtu.be/bxtq6iKjQCU
Part 4 of http://youtu.be/6d8dZ3xn4zo
Part 5 of http://youtu.be/6LifqWW0mKE
Part 6 of http://youtu.be/uAxI9uTm9mk
Part 7 of http://youtu.be/WDY5GH5Xfkw
Part 8 of http://youtu.be/wWUHX1nwXQc
Part 9 of http://youtu.be/gsaAyDROQw4
Part 10 of http://youtu.be/js3pTcAmgSA
Are you saying the Holocaust did not happen ?
Dr Shaft
Indeed he is. And it's not because he's concerned with historical accuracy.
It's because that by minimizing or even eradicating all evidence of the
Holocaust, it will enable him and those who think like him to embark on a
NEW (and hopefully for him, a 100 effective) Holocaust. His goal is to
out-Holocaust the Nazis.
There is no physical evidence or documents to eradicate that prove
there was a holocaust Ed, which is why they people trying to sell the
holocaust are so determined to pass laws in countries to make
questioning what they say illegal, because they know their falsehoods
and tall stories cannot stand up to scrutiny.
No, idiot, it's because to deny the Holocaust is to allow it to happen
again.
So to clarify what you are trying to say.... To deny something that
never happened is to allow something that never happened to happen
again.... Is that the best you can come up with moron?
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If they truly
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believed what they claim were true, they would be proving it by
presenting irrefutable physical and documented evidence to back up
their claims, but instead they work to imprison teachers and jailing
historians for simply not agreeing with them, which is exactly what a
Nazi would do isn't it.
The testimony of thousands of people who survived the Holocaust, INCLUDING
Nazis themselves, is evidence enough.
Survived a extermination camp..... surely you jest. LOL

Confessions coerced through torture are not credible nor are the
eyewitness testimonies such as this whopper of a tall story.

------------- start quote --------------------------
"The Belzec camp is built underground. It is an electric
crematorium. There are two halls in the underground buildings.
People were taken out of the railway cars into the first hall. Then
they were led naked to the second hall. Here the floor resembled an
enormous plate. When the crowd of men stood on it, the floor sank
into a pool of water. The moment the men sank up to their necks, a
powerful electric current of millions of volts passed through, killing
them all at once. The floor rose again, and a second electric
current was passed through the bodies, burning them until nothing was
left of the victims save a few ashes."
------------------ end quote ---------------------------
The Black Book (p 313) Underwritten by: World Jewish Congress Jewish
Antifascist Committee*
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Photographic evidence as well. They didn't have the means to doctor
photographs back then, so what you saw then was real.
You mean like the doctored photograph that the Wiesenthal center got
caught presenting as real and is documented by the link below Eddie.

http://www.nogw.com/download/2005smoke_fake.pdf
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When are you going to yank your Jew Hating head out of your rectum and face
reality, Thermidore?
What must really bug you is that I can present facts to not only prove
what I say is true, but also prove what you say is a lie. Is your
real last name Wiesenthal by chance
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You lie about EVERYTHING!!
I am not a Wiesenthal like you Eddie.
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Lucas I assume your off your tiny head on ice whilst getting
rogered
from behind by Heinrich and Binyamin whilst working the
keyboard.
Dr Shaft
I realize this is not our group's topic, but for anyone
interested,
there is a remarkable skeptical documentary on this subject
which
may
be found on YouTube by searching "David Cole Auschwitz".
Bill King
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4921098.stm
Most urban legends don't have 17 million records attached to them.
Nick
What 17 million records are you referring to? I understood there are
few if any documents to an express intention by the Nazi leadership to
murder all of the Jews, and that holocaust research proceeded mainly
by witness testimony and INFERENCE from documents of many kinds. This
is not to say that horrific war crimes and crimes against humanity
were not perpetrated by the Nazis especially against the Jews.
I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.) It certainly convinced me
that legitimate questions can be raised about this subject, whereas,
like most, I previously tended to put Holocaust-doubters in the Elvis-
lives category.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You are correct, there is absolutely not a single shred of physical
evidence or documents that indicate, much less prove, that there was
ever an extermination program, while there are piles of documents and
evidence that show the great lengths the Germans went to make the
camps livable and to ensure the health of the internees. David
Cole's excellent documentary is a must see for anyone who would like
to learn the true facts about what happened at Auschwitz instead of
the myths and falsehoods that most of us were previously told were
true.
Part 1 of http://youtu.be/e0x5V1ea2FI
Part 2 of http://youtu.be/-ZDjKX09y5U
Part 3 of http://youtu.be/bxtq6iKjQCU
Part 4 of http://youtu.be/6d8dZ3xn4zo
Part 5 of http://youtu.be/6LifqWW0mKE
Part 6 of http://youtu.be/uAxI9uTm9mk
Part 7 of http://youtu.be/WDY5GH5Xfkw
Part 8 of http://youtu.be/wWUHX1nwXQc
Part 9 of http://youtu.be/gsaAyDROQw4
Part 10 of http://youtu.be/js3pTcAmgSA
Are you saying the Holocaust did not happen ?
Dr Shaft
Indeed he is. And it's not because he's concerned with historical accuracy.
It's because that by minimizing or even eradicating all evidence of the
Holocaust, it will enable him and those who think like him to embark on a
NEW (and hopefully for him, a 100 effective) Holocaust. His goal is to
out-Holocaust the Nazis.
There is no physical evidence or documents to eradicate that prove
there was a holocaust Ed, which is why they people trying to sell the
holocaust are so determined to pass laws in countries to make
questioning what they say illegal, because they know their falsehoods
and tall stories cannot stand up to scrutiny.
No, idiot, it's because to deny the Holocaust is to allow it to happen
again.
So to clarify what you are trying to say.... To deny something that
never happened is to allow something that never happened to happen
again.... Is that the best you can come up with moron?
The only problem with your "argument" is that IT DID HAPPEN!!!!
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Lucas I assume your off your tiny head on ice whilst getting
rogered
from behind by Heinrich and Binyamin whilst working the
keyboard.
Dr Shaft
I realize this is not our group's topic, but for anyone
interested,
there is a remarkable skeptical documentary on this subject
which
may
be found on YouTube by searching "David Cole Auschwitz".
Bill King
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4921098.stm
Most urban legends don't have 17 million records attached to them.
Nick
What 17 million records are you referring to? I understood there are
few if any documents to an express intention by the Nazi leadership
to
murder all of the Jews, and that holocaust research proceeded mainly
by witness testimony and INFERENCE from documents of many kinds.
This
is not to say that horrific war crimes and crimes against humanity
were not perpetrated by the Nazis especially against the Jews.
I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.) It certainly convinced
me
that legitimate questions can be raised about this subject, whereas,
like most, I previously tended to put Holocaust-doubters in the
Elvis-
lives category.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You are correct, there is absolutely not a single shred of physical
evidence or documents that indicate, much less prove, that there was
ever an extermination program, while there are piles of documents and
evidence that show the great lengths the Germans went to make the
camps livable and to ensure the health of the internees. David
Cole's excellent documentary is a must see for anyone who would like
to learn the true facts about what happened at Auschwitz instead of
the myths and falsehoods that most of us were previously told were
true.
Part 1 of http://youtu.be/e0x5V1ea2FI
Part 2 of http://youtu.be/-ZDjKX09y5U
Part 3 of http://youtu.be/bxtq6iKjQCU
Part 4 of http://youtu.be/6d8dZ3xn4zo
Part 5 of http://youtu.be/6LifqWW0mKE
Part 6 of http://youtu.be/uAxI9uTm9mk
Part 7 of http://youtu.be/WDY5GH5Xfkw
Part 8 of http://youtu.be/wWUHX1nwXQc
Part 9 of http://youtu.be/gsaAyDROQw4
Part 10 of http://youtu.be/js3pTcAmgSA
Are you saying the Holocaust did not happen ?
Dr Shaft
Indeed he is. And it's not because he's concerned with historical accuracy.
It's because that by minimizing or even eradicating all evidence of the
Holocaust, it will enable him and those who think like him to embark on a
NEW (and hopefully for him, a 100 effective) Holocaust. His goal is to
out-Holocaust the Nazis.
There is no physical evidence or documents to eradicate that prove
there was a holocaust Ed, which is why they people trying to sell the
holocaust are so determined to pass laws in countries to make
questioning what they say illegal, because they know their falsehoods
and tall stories cannot stand up to scrutiny.
No, idiot, it's because to deny the Holocaust is to allow it to happen
again.
So to clarify what you are trying to say.... To deny something that
never happened is to allow something that never happened to happen
again.... Is that the best you can come up with moron?
The only problem with your "argument" is that IT DID HAPPEN!!!!- Hide quoted text -
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Ok, I'm sure the world will take your word for it.

BTW, how was your trip to Roswell NM Eddie? Got any proof of little
green men?
Ed
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Lucas I assume your off your tiny head on ice whilst getting
rogered
from behind by Heinrich and Binyamin whilst working the
keyboard.
Dr Shaft
I realize this is not our group's topic, but for anyone
interested,
there is a remarkable skeptical documentary on this subject
which
may
be found on YouTube by searching "David Cole Auschwitz".
Bill King
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4921098.stm
Most urban legends don't have 17 million records attached to them.
Nick
What 17 million records are you referring to? I understood there are
few if any documents to an express intention by the Nazi leadership
to
murder all of the Jews, and that holocaust research proceeded mainly
by witness testimony and INFERENCE from documents of many kinds.
This
is not to say that horrific war crimes and crimes against humanity
were not perpetrated by the Nazis especially against the Jews.
I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.) It certainly convinced
me
that legitimate questions can be raised about this subject, whereas,
like most, I previously tended to put Holocaust-doubters in the
Elvis-
lives category.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You are correct, there is absolutely not a single shred of physical
evidence or documents that indicate, much less prove, that there was
ever an extermination program, while there are piles of documents and
evidence that show the great lengths the Germans went to make the
camps livable and to ensure the health of the internees. David
Cole's excellent documentary is a must see for anyone who would like
to learn the true facts about what happened at Auschwitz instead of
the myths and falsehoods that most of us were previously told were
true.
Part 1 of http://youtu.be/e0x5V1ea2FI
Part 2 of http://youtu.be/-ZDjKX09y5U
Part 3 of http://youtu.be/bxtq6iKjQCU
Part 4 of http://youtu.be/6d8dZ3xn4zo
Part 5 of http://youtu.be/6LifqWW0mKE
Part 6 of http://youtu.be/uAxI9uTm9mk
Part 7 of http://youtu.be/WDY5GH5Xfkw
Part 8 of http://youtu.be/wWUHX1nwXQc
Part 9 of http://youtu.be/gsaAyDROQw4
Part 10 of http://youtu.be/js3pTcAmgSA
Are you saying the Holocaust did not happen ?
Dr Shaft
Indeed he is. And it's not because he's concerned with historical
accuracy.
It's because that by minimizing or even eradicating all evidence of the
Holocaust, it will enable him and those who think like him to embark on a
NEW (and hopefully for him, a 100 effective) Holocaust. His goal is to
out-Holocaust the Nazis.
There is no physical evidence or documents to eradicate that prove
there was a holocaust Ed, which is why they people trying to sell the
holocaust are so determined to pass laws in countries to make
questioning what they say illegal, because they know their falsehoods
and tall stories cannot stand up to scrutiny.
No, idiot, it's because to deny the Holocaust is to allow it to happen
again.
So to clarify what you are trying to say.... To deny something that
never happened is to allow something that never happened to happen
again.... Is that the best you can come up with moron?
The only problem with your "argument" is that IT DID HAPPEN!!!!- Hide quoted text -
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Ok, I'm sure the world will take your word for it.
The world doesn't need MY word. They already have the word of all
those who witnessed the Holocaust up close and personal, including the
Nazis.
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Lucas I assume your off your tiny head on ice whilst getting
rogered
from behind by Heinrich and Binyamin whilst working the
keyboard.
Dr Shaft
I realize this is not our group's topic, but for anyone
interested,
there is a remarkable skeptical documentary on this subject
which
may
be found on YouTube by searching "David Cole Auschwitz".
Bill King
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4921098.stm
Most urban legends don't have 17 million records attached to them.
Nick
What 17 million records are you referring to? I understood there are
few if any documents to an express intention by the Nazi leadership
to
murder all of the Jews, and that holocaust research proceeded mainly
by witness testimony and INFERENCE from documents of many kinds.
This
is not to say that horrific war crimes and crimes against humanity
were not perpetrated by the Nazis especially against the Jews.
I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.) It certainly convinced
me
that legitimate questions can be raised about this subject, whereas,
like most, I previously tended to put Holocaust-doubters in the
Elvis-
lives category.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You are correct, there is absolutely not a single shred of physical
evidence or documents that indicate, much less prove, that there was
ever an extermination program, while there are piles of documents and
evidence that show the great lengths the Germans went to make the
camps livable and to ensure the health of the internees. David
Cole's excellent documentary is a must see for anyone who would like
to learn the true facts about what happened at Auschwitz instead of
the myths and falsehoods that most of us were previously told were
true.
Part 1 of http://youtu.be/e0x5V1ea2FI
Part 2 of http://youtu.be/-ZDjKX09y5U
Part 3 of http://youtu.be/bxtq6iKjQCU
Part 4 of http://youtu.be/6d8dZ3xn4zo
Part 5 of http://youtu.be/6LifqWW0mKE
Part 6 of http://youtu.be/uAxI9uTm9mk
Part 7 of http://youtu.be/WDY5GH5Xfkw
Part 8 of http://youtu.be/wWUHX1nwXQc
Part 9 of http://youtu.be/gsaAyDROQw4
Part 10 of http://youtu.be/js3pTcAmgSA
Are you saying the Holocaust did not happen ?
Dr Shaft
Indeed he is. And it's not because he's concerned with historical
accuracy.
It's because that by minimizing or even eradicating all evidence of the
Holocaust, it will enable him and those who think like him to embark on a
NEW (and hopefully for him, a 100 effective) Holocaust. His goal is to
out-Holocaust the Nazis.
There is no physical evidence or documents to eradicate that prove
there was a holocaust Ed, which is why they people trying to sell the
holocaust are so determined to pass laws in countries to make
questioning what they say illegal, because they know their falsehoods
and tall stories cannot stand up to scrutiny.
No, idiot, it's because to deny the Holocaust is to allow it to happen
again.
So to clarify what you are trying to say.... To deny something that
never happened is to allow something that never happened to happen
again.... Is that the best you can come up with moron?
The only problem with your "argument" is that IT DID HAPPEN!!!!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Ok, I'm sure the world will take your word for it.
BTW, how was your trip to Roswell NM Eddie? Got any proof of little
green men?
I have heard a lotta shit on usenet, in fact I am myself have thrown a
lot of shit around for the fun of, but that is all it is, however I
reckon your denial of the holocaust is the worst I have heard. Anyhow
who even half goes along with what your saying is either mad, evil or
perhaps a combo of both.

Dr Shaft
Shatf
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Lucas I assume your off your tiny head on ice whilst getting
rogered
from behind by Heinrich and Binyamin whilst working the keyboard.
Dr Shaft
I realize this is not our group's topic, but for anyone interested,
there is a remarkable skeptical documentary on this subject
which
may
be found on YouTube by searching "David Cole Auschwitz".
Bill King
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4921098.stm
Most urban legends don't have 17 million records attached to them.
Nick
What 17 million records are you referring to? I understood there are
few if any documents to an express intention by the Nazi leadership to
murder all of the Jews, and that holocaust research proceeded mainly
by witness testimony and INFERENCE from documents of many kinds. This
is not to say that horrific war crimes and crimes against humanity
were not perpetrated by the Nazis especially against the Jews.
I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.) It certainly convinced me
that legitimate questions can be raised about this subject, whereas,
like most, I previously tended to put Holocaust-doubters in the Elvis-
lives category.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You are correct, there is absolutely not a single shred of physical
evidence or documents that indicate, much less prove, that there was
ever an extermination program, while there are piles of documents and
evidence that show the great lengths the Germans went to make the
camps livable and to ensure the health of the internees. David
Cole's excellent documentary is a must see for anyone who would like
to learn the true facts about what happened at Auschwitz instead of
the myths and falsehoods that most of us were previously told were
true.
Part 1 of http://youtu.be/e0x5V1ea2FI
Part 2 of http://youtu.be/-ZDjKX09y5U
Part 3 of http://youtu.be/bxtq6iKjQCU
Part 4 of http://youtu.be/6d8dZ3xn4zo
Part 5 of http://youtu.be/6LifqWW0mKE
Part 6 of http://youtu.be/uAxI9uTm9mk
Part 7 of http://youtu.be/WDY5GH5Xfkw
Part 8 of http://youtu.be/wWUHX1nwXQc
Part 9 of http://youtu.be/gsaAyDROQw4
Part 10 of http://youtu.be/js3pTcAmgSA
Are you saying the Holocaust did not happen ?
Dr Shaft
Indeed he is. And it's not because he's concerned with historical accuracy.
It's because that by minimizing or even eradicating all evidence of the
Holocaust, it will enable him and those who think like him to embark on a
NEW (and hopefully for him, a 100 effective) Holocaust. His goal is to
out-Holocaust the Nazis.
There is no physical evidence or documents to eradicate that prove
there was a holocaust Ed, which is why they people trying to sell the
holocaust are so determined to pass laws in countries to make
questioning what they say illegal, because they know their falsehoods
and tall stories cannot stand up to scrutiny.
No, idiot, it's because to deny the Holocaust is to allow it to happen
again.
So to clarify what you are trying to say.... To deny something that
never happened is to allow something that never happened to happen
again.... Is that the best you can come up with moron?
The only problem with your "argument" is that IT DID HAPPEN!!!!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Ok, I'm sure the world will take your word for it.
BTW, how was your trip to Roswell NM Eddie? Got any proof of little
green men?
I have heard a lotta shit on usenet, in fact I am myself have thrown a
lot of shit around for the fun of, but that is all it is, however I
reckon your denial of the holocaust is the worst I have heard. Anyhow
who even half goes along with what your saying is either mad, evil or
perhaps a combo of both.
Dr Shaft
You are shit. You read the list of Arab villages the Jews genocided.
That is the real holocaust. You are aware of the 55 million Russians
holocausted by the Jewish Bolsheviks. The 8 million Ukrainians
holocausted by the Jew/Bolsheviks. The 3 million Germans starved to
death by French Jewish actions.. 2 World wars instigated by the Jews,
with hundreds of millions pf dead and maimed as a result. Don't be
telling us how wonderful these murderous bastards are.
Dr Shaft
2007-07-11 04:43:01 UTC
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Lucas I assume your off your tiny head on ice whilst getting
rogered
from behind by Heinrich and Binyamin whilst working the
keyboard.
Dr Shaft
I realize this is not our group's topic, but for anyone
interested,
there is a remarkable skeptical documentary on this subject
which
may
be found on YouTube by searching "David Cole Auschwitz".
Bill King
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4921098.stm
Most urban legends don't have 17 million records attached to them.
Nick
What 17 million records are you referring to? I understood there are
few if any documents to an express intention by the Nazi leadership
to
murder all of the Jews, and that holocaust research proceeded mainly
by witness testimony and INFERENCE from documents of many kinds. This
is not to say that horrific war crimes and crimes against humanity
were not perpetrated by the Nazis especially against the Jews.
I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.) It certainly convinced me
that legitimate questions can be raised about this subject, whereas,
like most, I previously tended to put Holocaust-doubters in the
Elvis-
lives category.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You are correct, there is absolutely not a single shred of physical
evidence or documents that indicate, much less prove, that there was
ever an extermination program, while there are piles of documents and
evidence that show the great lengths the Germans went to make the
camps livable and to ensure the health of the internees. David
Cole's excellent documentary is a must see for anyone who would like
to learn the true facts about what happened at Auschwitz instead of
the myths and falsehoods that most of us were previously told were
true.
Part 1 of http://youtu.be/e0x5V1ea2FI
Part 2 of http://youtu.be/-ZDjKX09y5U
Part 3 of http://youtu.be/bxtq6iKjQCU
Part 4 of http://youtu.be/6d8dZ3xn4zo
Part 5 of http://youtu.be/6LifqWW0mKE
Part 6 of http://youtu.be/uAxI9uTm9mk
Part 7 of http://youtu.be/WDY5GH5Xfkw
Part 8 of http://youtu.be/wWUHX1nwXQc
Part 9 of http://youtu.be/gsaAyDROQw4
Part 10 of http://youtu.be/js3pTcAmgSA
Are you saying the Holocaust did not happen ?
Dr Shaft
Indeed he is. And it's not because he's concerned with historical
accuracy.
It's because that by minimizing or even eradicating all evidence of the
Holocaust, it will enable him and those who think like him to embark on a
NEW (and hopefully for him, a 100 effective) Holocaust. His goal is to
out-Holocaust the Nazis.
There is no physical evidence or documents to eradicate that prove
there was a holocaust Ed, which is why they people trying to sell the
holocaust are so determined to pass laws in countries to make
questioning what they say illegal, because they know their falsehoods
and tall stories cannot stand up to scrutiny.
No, idiot, it's because to deny the Holocaust is to allow it to happen
again.
So to clarify what you are trying to say.... To deny something that
never happened is to allow something that never happened to happen
again.... Is that the best you can come up with moron?
The only problem with your "argument" is that IT DID HAPPEN!!!!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Ok, I'm sure the world will take your word for it.
BTW, how was your trip to Roswell NM Eddie? Got any proof of little
green men?
I have heard a lotta shit on usenet, in fact I am myself have thrown a
lot of shit around for the fun of, but that is all it is, however I
reckon your denial of the holocaust is the worst I have heard. Anyhow
who even half goes along with what your saying is either mad, evil or
perhaps a combo of both.
Dr Shaft
You are shit. You read the list of Arab villages the Jews genocided.
That is the real holocaust. You are aware of the 55 million Russians
holocausted by the Jewish Bolsheviks. The 8 million Ukrainians
holocausted by the Jew/Bolsheviks. The 3 million Germans starved to
death by French Jewish actions.. 2 World wars instigated by the Jews,
with hundreds of millions pf dead and maimed as a result. Don't be
telling us how wonderful these murderous bastards are.
You are clearly deranged.
Theodore Herzl
2007-07-11 18:08:30 UTC
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Lucas I assume your off your tiny head on ice whilst getting
rogered
from behind by Heinrich and Binyamin whilst working the
keyboard.
Dr Shaft
I realize this is not our group's topic, but for anyone
interested,
there is a remarkable skeptical documentary on this subject
which
may
be found on YouTube by searching "David Cole Auschwitz".
Bill King
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4921098.stm
Most urban legends don't have 17 million records attached to them.
Nick
What 17 million records are you referring to? I understood there are
few if any documents to an express intention by the Nazi leadership
to
murder all of the Jews, and that holocaust research proceeded mainly
by witness testimony and INFERENCE from documents of many kinds.
This
is not to say that horrific war crimes and crimes against humanity
were not perpetrated by the Nazis especially against the Jews.
I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.) It certainly convinced
me
that legitimate questions can be raised about this subject, whereas,
like most, I previously tended to put Holocaust-doubters in the
Elvis-
lives category.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You are correct, there is absolutely not a single shred of physical
evidence or documents that indicate, much less prove, that there was
ever an extermination program, while there are piles of documents and
evidence that show the great lengths the Germans went to make the
camps livable and to ensure the health of the internees. David
Cole's excellent documentary is a must see for anyone who would like
to learn the true facts about what happened at Auschwitz instead of
the myths and falsehoods that most of us were previously told were
true.
Part 1 of http://youtu.be/e0x5V1ea2FI
Part 2 of http://youtu.be/-ZDjKX09y5U
Part 3 of http://youtu.be/bxtq6iKjQCU
Part 4 of http://youtu.be/6d8dZ3xn4zo
Part 5 of http://youtu.be/6LifqWW0mKE
Part 6 of http://youtu.be/uAxI9uTm9mk
Part 7 of http://youtu.be/WDY5GH5Xfkw
Part 8 of http://youtu.be/wWUHX1nwXQc
Part 9 of http://youtu.be/gsaAyDROQw4
Part 10 of http://youtu.be/js3pTcAmgSA
Are you saying the Holocaust did not happen ?
Dr Shaft
Indeed he is. And it's not because he's concerned with historical
accuracy.
It's because that by minimizing or even eradicating all evidence of the
Holocaust, it will enable him and those who think like him to embark on a
NEW (and hopefully for him, a 100 effective) Holocaust. His goal is to
out-Holocaust the Nazis.
There is no physical evidence or documents to eradicate that prove
there was a holocaust Ed, which is why they people trying to sell the
holocaust are so determined to pass laws in countries to make
questioning what they say illegal, because they know their falsehoods
and tall stories cannot stand up to scrutiny.
No, idiot, it's because to deny the Holocaust is to allow it to happen
again.
So to clarify what you are trying to say.... To deny something that
never happened is to allow something that never happened to happen
again.... Is that the best you can come up with moron?
The only problem with your "argument" is that IT DID HAPPEN!!!!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Ok, I'm sure the world will take your word for it.
BTW, how was your trip to Roswell NM Eddie? Got any proof of little
green men?
I have heard a lotta shit on usenet, in fact I am myself have thrown a
lot of shit around for the fun of, but that is all it is, however I
reckon your denial of the holocaust is the worst I have heard. Anyhow
who even half goes along with what your saying is either mad, evil or
perhaps a combo of both.
Dr Shaft
You are shit. You read the list of Arab villages the Jews genocided.
That is the real holocaust. You are aware of the 55 million Russians
holocausted by the Jewish Bolsheviks. The 8 million Ukrainians
holocausted by the Jew/Bolsheviks. The 3 million Germans starved to
death by French Jewish actions.. 2 World wars instigated by the Jews,
with hundreds of millions pf dead and maimed as a result. Don't be
telling us how wonderful these murderous bastards are.
You are clearly deranged.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Insults are no substitute for the factual statements presented by
Shatf. Jews murdered tens of millions in Russia, and that is a fact
that is becoming even more clear now that he Iron Curtain is down as
the true holocaust of our time is revealed, one perpetrated by Jews
against Christians.

The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution and Russia's Early Soviet
Regime
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html
Tell it like it is.
2007-07-11 18:13:25 UTC
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Lucas I assume your off your tiny head on ice whilst getting
rogered
from behind by Heinrich and Binyamin whilst working the
keyboard.
Dr Shaft
I realize this is not our group's topic, but for anyone
interested,
there is a remarkable skeptical documentary on this subject
which
may
be found on YouTube by searching "David Cole Auschwitz".
Bill King
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4921098.stm
Most urban legends don't have 17 million records attached to them.
Nick
What 17 million records are you referring to? I understood there are
few if any documents to an express intention by the Nazi leadership
to
murder all of the Jews, and that holocaust research proceeded mainly
by witness testimony and INFERENCE from documents of many kinds.
This
is not to say that horrific war crimes and crimes against humanity
were not perpetrated by the Nazis especially against the Jews.
I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.) It certainly convinced
me
that legitimate questions can be raised about this subject, whereas,
like most, I previously tended to put Holocaust-doubters in the
Elvis-
lives category.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You are correct, there is absolutely not a single shred of physical
evidence or documents that indicate, much less prove, that there was
ever an extermination program, while there are piles of documents and
evidence that show the great lengths the Germans went to make the
camps livable and to ensure the health of the internees. David
Cole's excellent documentary is a must see for anyone who would like
to learn the true facts about what happened at Auschwitz instead of
the myths and falsehoods that most of us were previously told were
true.
Part 1 of http://youtu.be/e0x5V1ea2FI
Part 2 of http://youtu.be/-ZDjKX09y5U
Part 3 of http://youtu.be/bxtq6iKjQCU
Part 4 of http://youtu.be/6d8dZ3xn4zo
Part 5 of http://youtu.be/6LifqWW0mKE
Part 6 of http://youtu.be/uAxI9uTm9mk
Part 7 of http://youtu.be/WDY5GH5Xfkw
Part 8 of http://youtu.be/wWUHX1nwXQc
Part 9 of http://youtu.be/gsaAyDROQw4
Part 10 of http://youtu.be/js3pTcAmgSA
Are you saying the Holocaust did not happen ?
Dr Shaft
Indeed he is. And it's not because he's concerned with historical
accuracy.
It's because that by minimizing or even eradicating all evidence of the
Holocaust, it will enable him and those who think like him to embark on a
NEW (and hopefully for him, a 100 effective) Holocaust. His goal is to
out-Holocaust the Nazis.
There is no physical evidence or documents to eradicate that prove
there was a holocaust Ed, which is why they people trying to sell the
holocaust are so determined to pass laws in countries to make
questioning what they say illegal, because they know their falsehoods
and tall stories cannot stand up to scrutiny.
No, idiot, it's because to deny the Holocaust is to allow it to happen
again.
So to clarify what you are trying to say.... To deny something that
never happened is to allow something that never happened to happen
again.... Is that the best you can come up with moron?
The only problem with your "argument" is that IT DID HAPPEN!!!!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Ok, I'm sure the world will take your word for it.
BTW, how was your trip to Roswell NM Eddie? Got any proof of little
green men?
I have heard a lotta shit on usenet, in fact I am myself have thrown a
lot of shit around for the fun of, but that is all it is, however I
reckon your denial of the holocaust is the worst I have heard. Anyhow
who even half goes along with what your saying is either mad, evil or
perhaps a combo of both.
Dr Shaft
You are shit. You read the list of Arab villages the Jews genocided.
That is the real holocaust. You are aware of the 55 million Russians
holocausted by the Jewish Bolsheviks. The 8 million Ukrainians
holocausted by the Jew/Bolsheviks. The 3 million Germans starved to
death by French Jewish actions.. 2 World wars instigated by the Jews,
with hundreds of millions pf dead and maimed as a result. Don't be
telling us how wonderful these murderous bastards are.
You are clearly deranged.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Insults are no substitute for the factual statements presented by
Shatf. Jews murdered tens of millions in Russia, and that is a fact
that is becoming even more clear now that he Iron Curtain is down as
the true holocaust of our time is revealed, one perpetrated by Jews
against Christians.
The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution and Russia's Early Soviet
Regimehttp://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Dr Shaft
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Lucas I assume your off your tiny head on ice whilst getting
rogered
from behind by Heinrich and Binyamin whilst working the
keyboard.
Dr Shaft
I realize this is not our group's topic, but for anyone
interested,
there is a remarkable skeptical documentary on this subject
which
may
be found on YouTube by searching "David Cole Auschwitz".
Bill King
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4921098.stm
Most urban legends don't have 17 million records attached to them.
Nick
What 17 million records are you referring to? I understood there are
few if any documents to an express intention by the Nazi leadership
to
murder all of the Jews, and that holocaust research proceeded mainly
by witness testimony and INFERENCE from documents of many kinds.
This
is not to say that horrific war crimes and crimes against humanity
were not perpetrated by the Nazis especially against the Jews.
I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.) It certainly convinced
me
that legitimate questions can be raised about this subject, whereas,
like most, I previously tended to put Holocaust-doubters in the
Elvis-
lives category.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You are correct, there is absolutely not a single shred of physical
evidence or documents that indicate, much less prove, that there was
ever an extermination program, while there are piles of documents and
evidence that show the great lengths the Germans went to make the
camps livable and to ensure the health of the internees. David
Cole's excellent documentary is a must see for anyone who would like
to learn the true facts about what happened at Auschwitz instead of
the myths and falsehoods that most of us were previously told were
true.
Part 1 of http://youtu.be/e0x5V1ea2FI
Part 2 of http://youtu.be/-ZDjKX09y5U
Part 3 of http://youtu.be/bxtq6iKjQCU
Part 4 of http://youtu.be/6d8dZ3xn4zo
Part 5 of http://youtu.be/6LifqWW0mKE
Part 6 of http://youtu.be/uAxI9uTm9mk
Part 7 of http://youtu.be/WDY5GH5Xfkw
Part 8 of http://youtu.be/wWUHX1nwXQc
Part 9 of http://youtu.be/gsaAyDROQw4
Part 10 of http://youtu.be/js3pTcAmgSA
Are you saying the Holocaust did not happen ?
Dr Shaft
Indeed he is. And it's not because he's concerned with historical
accuracy.
It's because that by minimizing or even eradicating all evidence of the
Holocaust, it will enable him and those who think like him to embark on a
NEW (and hopefully for him, a 100 effective) Holocaust. His goal is to
out-Holocaust the Nazis.
There is no physical evidence or documents to eradicate that prove
there was a holocaust Ed, which is why they people trying to sell the
holocaust are so determined to pass laws in countries to make
questioning what they say illegal, because they know their falsehoods
and tall stories cannot stand up to scrutiny.
No, idiot, it's because to deny the Holocaust is to allow it to happen
again.
So to clarify what you are trying to say.... To deny something that
never happened is to allow something that never happened to happen
again.... Is that the best you can come up with moron?
The only problem with your "argument" is that IT DID HAPPEN!!!!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Ok, I'm sure the world will take your word for it.
BTW, how was your trip to Roswell NM Eddie? Got any proof of little
green men?
I have heard a lotta shit on usenet, in fact I am myself have thrown a
lot of shit around for the fun of, but that is all it is, however I
reckon your denial of the holocaust is the worst I have heard. Anyhow
who even half goes along with what your saying is either mad, evil or
perhaps a combo of both.
Dr Shaft
You are shit. You read the list of Arab villages the Jews genocided.
That is the real holocaust. You are aware of the 55 million Russians
holocausted by the Jewish Bolsheviks. The 8 million Ukrainians
holocausted by the Jew/Bolsheviks. The 3 million Germans starved to
death by French Jewish actions.. 2 World wars instigated by the Jews,
with hundreds of millions pf dead and maimed as a result. Don't be
telling us how wonderful these murderous bastards are.
You are clearly deranged.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Insults are no substitute for the factual statements presented by
Shatf. Jews murdered tens of millions in Russia, and that is a fact
that is becoming even more clear now that he Iron Curtain is down as
the true holocaust of our time is revealed, one perpetrated by Jews
against Christians.
The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution and Russia's Early Soviet
Regimehttp://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html
I am not Statf. He is an imposter using my email address. I am Dr
Shaft and I stick by my statements. You guys, meaning Billy boy and
yourself and just playing with words, plan or no plan there were up to
six million jews killed for no reason by the Nazis. End of story. Why
would you even argue with that. It is both pathetic and heartless. I
feel sorry for both you and that piece of shit Billy boy.

Dr Shaft

Theodore Herzl
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Lucas I assume your off your tiny head on ice whilst getting
rogered
from behind by Heinrich and Binyamin whilst working the
keyboard.
Dr Shaft
I realize this is not our group's topic, but for anyone
interested,
there is a remarkable skeptical documentary on this subject
which
may
be found on YouTube by searching "David Cole Auschwitz".
Bill King
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4921098.stm
Most urban legends don't have 17 million records attached to them.
Nick
What 17 million records are you referring to? I understood there are
few if any documents to an express intention by the Nazi leadership
to
murder all of the Jews, and that holocaust research proceeded mainly
by witness testimony and INFERENCE from documents of many kinds.
This
is not to say that horrific war crimes and crimes against humanity
were not perpetrated by the Nazis especially against the Jews.
I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.) It certainly convinced
me
that legitimate questions can be raised about this subject, whereas,
like most, I previously tended to put Holocaust-doubters in the
Elvis-
lives category.- Hide quoted text -
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You are correct, there is absolutely not a single shred of physical
evidence or documents that indicate, much less prove, that there was
ever an extermination program, while there are piles of documents and
evidence that show the great lengths the Germans went to make the
camps livable and to ensure the health of the internees. David
Cole's excellent documentary is a must see for anyone who would like
to learn the true facts about what happened at Auschwitz instead of
the myths and falsehoods that most of us were previously told were
true.
Part 1 of http://youtu.be/e0x5V1ea2FI
Part 2 of http://youtu.be/-ZDjKX09y5U
Part 3 of http://youtu.be/bxtq6iKjQCU
Part 4 of http://youtu.be/6d8dZ3xn4zo
Part 5 of http://youtu.be/6LifqWW0mKE
Part 6 of http://youtu.be/uAxI9uTm9mk
Part 7 of http://youtu.be/WDY5GH5Xfkw
Part 8 of http://youtu.be/wWUHX1nwXQc
Part 9 of http://youtu.be/gsaAyDROQw4
Part 10 of http://youtu.be/js3pTcAmgSA
Are you saying the Holocaust did not happen ?
Dr Shaft
Indeed he is. And it's not because he's concerned with historical
accuracy.
It's because that by minimizing or even eradicating all evidence of the
Holocaust, it will enable him and those who think like him to embark on a
NEW (and hopefully for him, a 100 effective) Holocaust. His goal is to
out-Holocaust the Nazis.
There is no physical evidence or documents to eradicate that prove
there was a holocaust Ed, which is why they people trying to sell the
holocaust are so determined to pass laws in countries to make
questioning what they say illegal, because they know their falsehoods
and tall stories cannot stand up to scrutiny.
No, idiot, it's because to deny the Holocaust is to allow it to happen
again.
So to clarify what you are trying to say.... To deny something that
never happened is to allow something that never happened to happen
again.... Is that the best you can come up with moron?
The only problem with your "argument" is that IT DID HAPPEN!!!!- Hide quoted text -
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Ok, I'm sure the world will take your word for it.
BTW, how was your trip to Roswell NM Eddie? Got any proof of little
green men?
I have heard a lotta shit on usenet, in fact I am myself have thrown a
lot of shit around for the fun of, but that is all it is, however I
reckon your denial of the holocaust is the worst I have heard. Anyhow
who even half goes along with what your saying is either mad, evil or
perhaps a combo of both.
Dr Shaft- Hide quoted text -
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You are welcome to dig up some facts to prove me wrong, for unlike the
Holocaust� industry, I will not threaten to toss you in jail for
exercising that right. But until you or someone else can produce
factual evidence that proves that a plan to exterminate the Jews ever
existed, much less carried out by the Germans, by producing the
forensic and other evidence to back it up, then you can just keep on
believing the fairy tale that you've been told as a child, I don't
really care.
Ed
2007-07-11 18:18:11 UTC
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Lucas I assume your off your tiny head on ice whilst
getting
rogered
from behind by Heinrich and Binyamin whilst working
the
keyboard.
Dr Shaft
I realize this is not our group's topic, but for anyone
interested,
there is a remarkable skeptical documentary on this
subject
which
may
be found on YouTube by searching "David Cole
Auschwitz".
Bill King
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4921098.stm
Most urban legends don't have 17 million records attached
to them.
Nick
What 17 million records are you referring to? I understood
there are
few if any documents to an express intention by the Nazi
leadership
to
murder all of the Jews, and that holocaust research
proceeded mainly
by witness testimony and INFERENCE from documents of many
kinds.
This
is not to say that horrific war crimes and crimes against
humanity
were not perpetrated by the Nazis especially against the
Jews.
I would really recommend those interested to watch David
Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.) It certainly
convinced
me
that legitimate questions can be raised about this subject,
whereas,
like most, I previously tended to put Holocaust-doubters in
the
Elvis-
lives category.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You are correct, there is absolutely not a single shred of
physical
evidence or documents that indicate, much less prove, that
there was
ever an extermination program, while there are piles of
documents and
evidence that show the great lengths the Germans went to make the
camps livable and to ensure the health of the internees.
David
Cole's excellent documentary is a must see for anyone who
would like
to learn the true facts about what happened at Auschwitz
instead of
the myths and falsehoods that most of us were previously told
were
true.
Part 1 of http://youtu.be/e0x5V1ea2FI
Part 2 of http://youtu.be/-ZDjKX09y5U
Part 3 of http://youtu.be/bxtq6iKjQCU
Part 4 of http://youtu.be/6d8dZ3xn4zo
Part 5 of http://youtu.be/6LifqWW0mKE
Part 6 of http://youtu.be/uAxI9uTm9mk
Part 7 of http://youtu.be/WDY5GH5Xfkw
Part 8 of http://youtu.be/wWUHX1nwXQc
Part 9 of http://youtu.be/gsaAyDROQw4
Part 10 of http://youtu.be/js3pTcAmgSA
Are you saying the Holocaust did not happen ?
Dr Shaft
Indeed he is. And it's not because he's concerned with historical
accuracy.
It's because that by minimizing or even eradicating all evidence of the
Holocaust, it will enable him and those who think like him to
embark on a
NEW (and hopefully for him, a 100 effective) Holocaust. His goal is to
out-Holocaust the Nazis.
There is no physical evidence or documents to eradicate that prove
there was a holocaust Ed, which is why they people trying to sell the
holocaust are so determined to pass laws in countries to make
questioning what they say illegal, because they know their falsehoods
and tall stories cannot stand up to scrutiny.
No, idiot, it's because to deny the Holocaust is to allow it to happen
again.
So to clarify what you are trying to say.... To deny something that
never happened is to allow something that never happened to happen
again.... Is that the best you can come up with moron?
The only problem with your "argument" is that IT DID HAPPEN!!!!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Ok, I'm sure the world will take your word for it.
BTW, how was your trip to Roswell NM Eddie? Got any proof of little
green men?
I have heard a lotta shit on usenet, in fact I am myself have thrown a
lot of shit around for the fun of, but that is all it is, however I
reckon your denial of the holocaust is the worst I have heard. Anyhow
who even half goes along with what your saying is either mad, evil or
perhaps a combo of both.
Dr Shaft
Dr. Shaft, I believe you have hit Thermidore squarely on his little pinhead,
if I do say so myself.
Topaz
2007-07-11 17:06:40 UTC
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By Faurisson

The Unraveling of the Witnesses at the First Zündel Trial (1985)

The important victory won by revisionism in France on April 26, 1983,
would go on to confirm itself in 1985 with the first Zündel trial in
Toronto. I would like to dwell a moment on this trial in order to
underscore the impact on one's point of view, and especially as far as
the testimonies on the Auschwitz gas chambers are concerned: for the
first time since the war, Jewish witnesses were subjected to a regular
cross-examination. Moreover, without wanting to minimize the
importance of the second Zündel trial (that of 1988), I should like it
to be understood that the 1985 trial already contained the seeds for
all that was attained in the 1988 trial, including the report by
Leuchter and all the scientific reports which, in the aftermath, would
proliferate in the wake of the Leuchter Report.

In 1985, as also afterwards in 1988, I served as advisor to Ernst
Zündel and his lawyer, Douglas Christie. I accepted this heavy
responsibility only under condition that all the Jewish witnesses
would, for the first time, be cross-examined on the material nature of
the reported facts, bluntly and without discretion. I had noted, in
effect, that from 1945 to 1985, Jewish witnesses had been granted
virtual immunity. Never had any defense lawyer thought or dared to ask
them for material explanations about the gas chambers (exact location,
physical appearance, dimensions, internal and external structure), or
about the homicidal gassing (the operational procedure from beginning
to end, the tools employed, the precautions taken by the executioners
before, during and after execution).

On rare occasions, as at the trial of Tesch, Drosihn and
Weinbacher,[5] lawyers formulated some unusual questions of a material
nature, hardly troublesome for the witness, but these always found
themselves on the fringes of the more fundamental questions which
should have been asked. No lawyer ever demanded clarifications on a
weapon which, indeed, he had never seen and that no one had ever shown
him. At the major Nuremberg Trial of 1945-46, the German lawyers had
manifested total discretion on this point. At the proceedings against
Eichmann in Jerusalem in 1961, the lawyer Dr. Robert Servatius had not
wanted to raise the question; in a letter on this subject dated June
21, 1974, he wrote me: "Eichmann hat selbst keine Gaskammer gesehen;
die Frage wurde nicht diskutiert; er hat sich aber auch nicht gegen
deren Existenz gewandt" [Eichmann himself had not seen any gas
chamber; the question was not discussed; but neither did he raise the
issue of their existence].[6]

At the Frankfurt Trial of 1963-65, the lawyers showed themselves to be
particularly timid. I should mention that the atmosphere was rather
inhospitable for the defense and the accused. This show trial will
remain as a blot on the honor of German justice as on the person of
Hans Hofmeyer, initially Landgerichtsdirektor, then Senatspräsident.
During more than 180 sessions, the judges and juries, the public
prosecutors and the private parties, the accused and their attorneys,
as well as the journalists who had come from around the world,
accepted as a complete physical representation of the 'crime weapon' a
mere map of the camp of Auschwitz and a map of the camp of Birkenau,
whereupon five minuscule geometric figures were inscribed for the
location of each of the alleged homicidal gas chambers, with the
words, for Auschwitz: "Altes Krematorium", and for Birkenau:
"Krematorium II", "Krematorium III", "Krematorium IV", and
"Krematorium V"! These maps[7] were displayed in the courtroom.

The Revisionists have often compared the Frankfurt trial with the
1450-1650 trials against witchcraft. Nevertheless, at least during
those trials, someone sometimes bothered to describe or depict the
witches' sabbath. At the Frankfurt trial, even among the lawyers who
made difficulties for a witness like Filip Müller, not one asked of a
Jewish witness or a repentant German defendant to describe for him in
greater detail what he was purported to have seen. Despite two
judicial visits to the scene of the crime at Auschwitz, accompanied by
some German lawyers, it seems not one of the latter insisted on any
technical explanations or criminological expertise regarding the
murder weapon. To the contrary, one of them, Anton Reiners, a
Frankfurt lawyer, pushed complacency to the point of having himself
photographed by the press while raising the chute cover by which the
SS supposedly sprinkled Zyklon B granules into the alleged Auschwitz
gas chamber.

And so at Toronto in 1985, I had fully decided to do away with these
anomalies, to break the taboo and, for starters, pose, or rather have
Douglas Christie pose, questions to the experts and Jewish witnesses
as one normally poses in every trial where one is supposed to
establish whether a crime has been committed and, if so, by whom, how
and when.

Fortunately for me, Ernst Zündel accepted my conditions and Douglas
Christie consented to adopt this course of action and to pose to the
experts and witnesses the questions that I would prepare for him. I
was convinced that, in this manner, all might change, and the veil
woven by so many false testimonies could be torn away. While I was not
counting on Ernst Zündel's acquittal and we were all resigned to
paying the price for our audacity, I nevertheless had hope that with
the aid of this far-sighted man of character, and thanks to his
intrepid lawyer, history, if not justice, would at last carry him into
historical prominence.

From the moment of the first cross-examination, a tremor of panic
began to creep its way amid the ranks of the prosecution. Every
evening and throughout most of the night, I would prepare the
questions to ask. In the morning, I would turn over these questions,
accompanied by the necessary documents, to lawyer Doug Christie who,
for his part and with the aid of his female collaborator, conducted
the essentially legal aspects of the effort. During the
cross-examinations, I maintained a position close to the lawyer's
podium and unremittingly furnished, on yellow notepads, supplementary
and improvisational questions according to the experts' and witnesses'
responses.

The expert cited by the prosecution was Dr. Raul Hilberg, author of
The Destruction of European Jews. Day after day, he was subjected to
such humiliation that, when solicited in 1988 by a new prosecutor for
a new trial against Ernst Zündel, Prof. Hilberg refused to return to
give witness; he explained the motive for his refusal in a
confidential letter wherein he acknowledged his fear of having to once
again confront the questions of Douglas Christie. From the
cross-examination of Dr. Raul Hilberg, it was definitively brought out
that no one possessed any proof for the existence either of an order,
a plan, an instruction, or a budget for the presumed physical
extermination of the Jews. Furthermore, no one possessed either an
expertise of the murder weapon (whether gas chamber or gas van), or an
autopsy report establishing the murder of a detainee by poison gas.
However, in the absence of evidence regarding the weapon and victim,
did there exist witnesses of the crime?

A testimony must always be verified. The usual first means of
proceeding to this verification is to confront the assertions of the
witness with the results of investigations or expert opinion regarding
the material nature of the crime. In the case at hand, there were
neither investigations, nor expertise relative to the alleged
Auschwitz gas chambers. Here is what made any cross-examination
difficult. Yet, this difficulty should not serve as an excuse, and one
might even say that a cross-examination becomes ever more
indispensable because, without it, there no longer remains any way of
knowing whether the witness is telling the truth or not.

Jewish Witnesses Finally Cross-Examined:
Arnold Friedman and Dr. Rudolf Vrba

For those persons interested in the technical and documentary means by
which we were nevertheless in a position to severely cross-examine the
two principal Jewish witnesses, Arnold Friedman and Dr. Rudolf Vrba, I
can do no better than to recommend a reading of the trial
transcript.[8] Pages 304-371 cover the questioning and
cross-examination of Arnold Friedman; the latter breaks down on pages
445-446 when he ends by acknowledging that he in fact saw nothing,
that he had spoken from hearsay because, according to him, he had met
persons who were convincing; perhaps, he added, he would have adopted
the position of Mr. Christie rather than that of these other persons
if only Mr. Christie had been able to tell him back then what he was
telling him now!

Dr. Vrba was a witness of exceptional importance. One might even say
about this trial in Toronto that the prosecution had found the means
of recruiting 'Holocaust' expert number one in the person of Dr. Raul
Hilberg, and witness number one in the person of Dr. Rudolf Vrba. The
testimony of this latter gentleman had been one of the principal
sources of the famous War Refugee Board Report on the German
Extermination Camps - Auschwitz and Birkenau, published in November
1944 by the Executive Office of President Roosevelt. Dr. R. Vrba was
also the author of I Cannot Forgive,[9] written in collaboration with
Alan Bestic who, in his preface, declares with regard to him:

"Indeed I would like to pay tribute to him for the immense trouble he
took over every detail; for the meticulous, almost fanatical respect
he revealed for accuracy." (p.2).

,Never perhaps, had a court of justice seen a witness express himself
with more assurance on the Auschwitz gas chambers. Yet, by the end of
the cross-examination, the situation had reversed itself to the point
where Dr. R. Vrba was left with only one explanation for his errors
and his lies: in his book he had, he confessed, resorted to "poetic
license" or, as he was wont to say in Latin, to "licentia poetarum"!

In the end, a bit of drama unfolded: Mr. Griffiths, the prosecutor who
had himself solicited the presence of this witness numero uno and yet
now apparently exasperated by Dr. Vrba's lies, fired off the following
question:

"You told Mr. Christie several times in discussing your book I Cannot
Forgive that you used poetic license in writing that book. Have you
used poetic license in your testimony?" (p. 1636).

The false witness tried to parry the blow but prosecutor Griffiths hit
him with a second question equally treacherous, this time concerning
the number of gassing victims which Vrba had given; the witness
responded with garrulous nonsense; Griffiths was getting ready to ask
him a third and final question when suddenly, the matter was cut short
and one heard the prosecutor say to the judge:

"I have no further questions for Dr. Vrba" (p. 1643).

Crestfallen, the witness left the dock. Dr. Vrba's initial
questioning, cross-examination and final questioning filled 400 pages
of transcripts (pp. 1244-1643). These pages could readily be used in
an encyclopedia of law under a chapter on the detection of false
witnesses.

The Prosecution Gives up on Calling Witnesses

Three years later, in 1988, during the second trial against Ernst
Zündel, the public prosecutor deemed it prudent to abandon any
recourse to witnesses. Canadian justice had apparently understood the
lesson of the first trial: there were no credible witnesses to the
existence and operation of the 'Nazi gas chambers'.

Little by little, every other country in the world has learned this
same lesson. At the trial of Klaus Barbie in France, in 1987, there
was talk about the gas chambers of Auschwitz but no one produced any
witnesses who could properly speak about them.[10] The attorney
Jacques Vergès, courageous yet not foolhardy, preferred to avoid the
subject. This was a stroke of luck for the Jewish lawyers who feared
nothing so much as to see me appearing at the side of Mr. Vergès. If
this gentleman had accepted my offer to counsel him, we in France
might have been able to strike a tremendous blow against the myth of
the gas chambers.

All the while in France, during several revisionist trials, Jewish
witnesses sometimes came to evoke the gas chambers but none of them
testified before the court as to having seen one or having
participated in a homicidal gassing by hauling bodies out of the 'gas
chambers'.

Today, gas chamber witnesses are making themselves extremely scarce
and the Demjanjuk trial in Israel, which once again has revealed how
much false testimony is involved in the matter, has contributed to the
suppression. Several years ago, it happened that I was aggressively
questioned at the rear of a law court by elderly Jews who presented
themselves as "living witnesses to the gas chambers of Auschwitz",
showing me their tattoos. It was necessary for me only to ask them to
look me in the eyes and to describe for me a gas chamber that
inevitably they retorted:

"How could I do this? If I had seen a gas chamber with my own eyes I
would not be here today to speak with you; I myself would have been
gassed also."

This brings us back, as one can see, to Simone Veil and her
declaration of May 7, 1983, about which we already know what we should
think…

http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com

http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/

http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
Hugh Gibbons
2007-07-11 03:50:22 UTC
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Post by Ed
Indeed he is. And it's not because he's concerned with historical accuracy.
It's because that by minimizing or even eradicating all evidence of the
Holocaust, it will enable him and those who think like him to embark on a
NEW (and hopefully for him, a 100 effective) Holocaust. His goal is to
out-Holocaust the Nazis.
You gotta admit, denying it ever happened would make any new horrors seem
less paltry.
Ed
2007-07-11 18:19:36 UTC
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Post by Hugh Gibbons
Post by Ed
Indeed he is. And it's not because he's concerned with historical accuracy.
It's because that by minimizing or even eradicating all evidence of the
Holocaust, it will enable him and those who think like him to embark on a
NEW (and hopefully for him, a 100 effective) Holocaust. His goal is to
out-Holocaust the Nazis.
You gotta admit, denying it ever happened would make any new horrors seem
less paltry.
The point is, those who deny the Holocaust ever happened only do so because
it will make it easier for them to commit atrocities that make the Holocaust
pale in comparison.
Tell it like it is.
2007-07-11 18:45:07 UTC
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Post by Ed
Post by Hugh Gibbons
Post by Ed
Indeed he is. And it's not because he's concerned with historical accuracy.
It's because that by minimizing or even eradicating all evidence of the
Holocaust, it will enable him and those who think like him to embark on a
NEW (and hopefully for him, a 100 effective) Holocaust. His goal is to
out-Holocaust the Nazis.
You gotta admit, denying it ever happened would make any new horrors seem
less paltry.
The point is, those who deny the Holocaust ever happened only do so because
it will make it easier for them to commit atrocities that make the Holocaust
pale in comparison.
I agree. Like nuking Iran where more than half the population was born
after 1979.
Ed
2007-07-11 20:34:00 UTC
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Post by Tell it like it is.
Post by Ed
Post by Hugh Gibbons
Post by Ed
Indeed he is. And it's not because he's concerned with historical accuracy.
It's because that by minimizing or even eradicating all evidence of the
Holocaust, it will enable him and those who think like him to embark on a
NEW (and hopefully for him, a 100 effective) Holocaust. His goal is to
out-Holocaust the Nazis.
You gotta admit, denying it ever happened would make any new horrors seem
less paltry.
The point is, those who deny the Holocaust ever happened only do so because
it will make it easier for them to commit atrocities that make the Holocaust
pale in comparison.
I agree. Like nuking Iran where more than half the population was born
after 1979.
Well you learn something new every day. Now Iran is planning to nuke
itself. Who woulda thunk?
Theodore Herzl
2007-07-11 00:33:25 UTC
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Post by Dr Shaft
Lucas I assume your off your tiny head on ice whilst getting rogered
from behind by Heinrich and Binyamin whilst working the keyboard.
Dr Shaft
I realize this is not our group's topic, but for anyone interested,
there is a remarkable skeptical documentary on this subject which may
be found on YouTube by searching "David Cole Auschwitz".
Bill King
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4921098.stm
Most urban legends don't have 17 million records attached to them.
Nick
What 17 million records are you referring to? I understood there are
few if any documents to an express intention by the Nazi leadership to
murder all of the Jews, and that holocaust research proceeded mainly
by witness testimony and INFERENCE from documents of many kinds. This
is not to say that horrific war crimes and crimes against humanity
were not perpetrated by the Nazis especially against the Jews.
I would really recommend those interested to watch David Cole's
documentary. (He is, incidentally, Jewish.) It certainly convinced me
that legitimate questions can be raised about this subject, whereas,
like most, I previously tended to put Holocaust-doubters in the Elvis-
lives category.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You are correct, there is absolutely not a single shred of physical
evidence or documents that indicate, much less prove, that there was
ever an extermination program, while there are piles of documents and
evidence that show the great lengths the Germans went to make the
camps livable and to ensure the health of the internees. David
Cole's excellent documentary is a must see for anyone who would like
to learn the true facts about what happened at Auschwitz instead of
the myths and falsehoods that most of us were previously told were
true.
Part 1 of http://youtu.be/e0x5V1ea2FI
Part 2 of http://youtu.be/-ZDjKX09y5U
Part 3 of http://youtu.be/bxtq6iKjQCU
Part 4 of http://youtu.be/6d8dZ3xn4zo
Part 5 of http://youtu.be/6LifqWW0mKE
Part 6 of http://youtu.be/uAxI9uTm9mk
Part 7 of http://youtu.be/WDY5GH5Xfkw
Part 8 of http://youtu.be/wWUHX1nwXQc
Part 9 of http://youtu.be/gsaAyDROQw4
Part 10 of http://youtu.be/js3pTcAmgSA
Are you saying the Holocaust did not happen ?
Dr Shaft- Hide quoted text -
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I have no doubt that many people in the camps died due to Typhus and
starvation at the end of the war due to Allied bombings of supply
lines etc., but there is absolutely no physical evidence or
documentation what so ever that even indicates that the Germans tried
to exterminate any prisoners PERIOD.

Watch the videos and see for yourself, but be careful as in some
formerly free countries, it is illegal to even question the Holocaust.
Topaz
2007-07-11 17:04:05 UTC
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Here is part of the Leuchter Report:
"Thirty-one samples were selectively removed from the alleged gas
chambers at Kremas I, II, III, IV and V. A control sample was taken
from delousing facility #1 at Birkenau. The control sample was removed
from a delousing chamber in a location where cyanide was known to have
been used and was apparently present as blue staining. Chemical
testing of the control sample #32 showed a cyanide content of 1050
mg/kg, a very heavy concentration. The conditions at areas from which
these samples were taken are identical with those of the control
sample, cold, dark, and wet. Only Kremas IV and V differed, in the
respect that these locations had sunlight (the buildings have been
torn down) and sunlight may hasten the destruction of uncomplexed
cyanide. The cyanide combines with the iron in the mortar and brick
and becomes ferric-ferro-cyanide or prussian blue pigmentation, a very
stable iron-cyanide complex.
"The locations from which the analyzed samples were removed are set
out in Table III.
"It is notable that almost all the samples were negative and that the
few that were positive were very close to the detection level
(1mg/kg); 6.7 mg/kg at Krema III; 7.9 mg/kg at Krerma I. The absense
of any consequential readings at any of the tested locations as
compared to the control sample reading 1050 mg/kg supports the
evidence that these facilities were not execution gas chambers. The
small quantities detected would indicate that at some point these
buildings were deloused with Zyklon B - as were all the buildings at
all these facilities"

http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com

http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/

http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
f***@verizon.net
2007-07-08 08:13:12 UTC
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Post by Lucas J. Riesau
I heard that there was something like a Holocaust during
World War II and millions of Jews were killed.
You missed something - the same number of non-Jews were also killed, for
various reasons.
Post by Lucas J. Riesau
But there
is not much reliable evidence
Yeah, well, if you hang around klan rallies that IS the sort of tripe you'll
hear.
Post by Lucas J. Riesau
and some people say it's
just an urban legend.
No, people don't say that.
Brainless slimebags, yes.
But not *people*
Post by Lucas J. Riesau
So are the stories of the Holocaust true or are they just
urban legends???
As if you don't already know the truth, as opposed to what you want to
pretend.
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