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Tilly
2008-05-16 03:07:01 UTC
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FACT: J4J's are Baptists, the majority of whom are not Jewish.
The few that are have converted to Christianity and as such are apostate
Jews.

Jews for Jesus" is a primarily Baptist missionary group whose sole focus is
converting Jews to Christianity. They are not a part of the Messianic
movement .

In 1997, the Conservative Baptist Association named Moishe Roisin (who
started J4J's) "Hero of the Faith."

Roisin added the Jewish flavour to J4J's ,including using some Yiddish and
Hebrew in some of their literature when he started the movement ,with the
expressed objective of converting as many Jews to Christianity as possible.

Other than that their doctrinal statement is basically indistinguishable
from Evangelical and other conservative Christian groups. ... They differ
from some Evangelical Christian groups in their belief that Israel continues
to exist as a "covenant people."

Jews for Jesus is a Christian evangelistic organization that focuses
specifically on the conversion of Jews to Christianity. Viewing its
followers - either Jewish as defined by Jewish law, or Jews according to
Jews for Jesus - as "living out their Jewishness,"Jews for Jesus defines
"Jewish" in terms of parentage and as a birthright, regardless of religious
belief. Identification of Jews for Jesus as a Jewish organization is
overwhelmingly rejected by Jewish religious denominationsand secular groups
due to the Christian - specifically evangelical - beliefs of its members.
The group's evangelism related activities are opposed also by some Christian
organizations and scholars


Jews for Jesus is based in San Francisco, California at a Baptist Church.

Jews for Jesus official mission statement is "to make the Messiahship of
Jesus an unavoidable issue to our Jewish people worldwide." They say that
belief in Jesus as Messiah is a fulfillment of the prophecies of Hebrew
scripture. Through media advertisements, production and distribution of
literature, producing music and organizing person-to-person evangelism, the
organization asserts that "a specifically Jewish mission" is necessary,
saying "Jewish people tend to dismiss evangelistic methods and materials
that are couched in Christian lingo, because they reinforce the assumption
that Jesus is for 'them' not 'us.'"

Jews for Jesus promotes awareness of the Jewish heritage of the Christian
faith. Their website contains brief descriptions of Jewish festivals and
also runs programs explaining the significance of Passover, Sukkot and
Hanukkah, explaining messianic elements and how they believe these festivals
are related to Jesus."Evangelists in the organization have been trained to
recite phrases from the Old Testament and to use Yiddish words so as to
convince potential converts that Jews for Jesus maintain Jewish traditions."

The organization was founded under the name Hineni Ministries in 1973 by
Moishe Rosen, an ordained Baptist minister.


Moishe Rosen (born 12 April 1932 as Martin Meyer Rosen) His given Hebrew
name was Moshe or Moses and Moishe is the vernacular Yiddish. His parents
were Ben Rosen and Rose Baker. He is the founder and former Executive
Director of Jews for Jesus, an evangelical Christian missionary organization
working to proclaim and promote the message of Christ amongst the Jewish
People. Rosen was raised in Denver, Colorado. According to Rosen his
mother's parents were "Reform Jews from Austria", his paternal grandfather
was Orthodox, and although Rosen's father regularly attended an Orthodox
synagogue he was "not religious" and viewed religion as a "racket".

Rosen married Ceil Starr on 18 August 1950; and they became Christians in
1953. After graduating Northeastern Bible College, Rosen made a commitment
to be a missionary to Jews from 1956. He was ordained as a Conservative
Baptist minister in 1957. He felt a need for a more visible kind of
evangelism and developed new techniques of communication which culminated in
what became known as The Jews for Jesus movement in 1969. In 1973 Rosen left
the employment of the American Board of Missions to the Jews (now called
Chosen People Ministries) to incorporate a separate mission which became
known as Jews for Jesus ministries. In 1986 he received a Doctor of Divinity
Degree from Western Conservative Baptist Seminary in Portland. He stepped
down from his position as Executive Director in 1996, but continues to be
employed as a staff missionary and remains one of fifteen board members.

In 1997 the Conservative Baptist Union named him "Hero of the Faith."





The troubling issue about "Jews for Jesus" is their insistence that they are
"Jews" without qualification and that they can somehow be both Jews and
fundamentalist Christians simultaneously.
They believe they have the right to define Jewish identity .LOL.
However, this is really rather self-referentially incoherent. Can a Baptist
accept Buddhism and then become a "Baptist for Buddha," or can a Mormon
embrace Islam and be a "Mormon for Mohammed"?



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Poohrona
2008-05-16 05:26:29 UTC
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FACT: J4J's are Baptists, the majority of whom are not Jewish.
The few that are have converted to Christianity and as such are apostate
Jews.
Jews for Jesus" is a primarily Baptist missionary group whose sole focus is
converting Jews to Christianity. They are not a part of the Messianic
movement .
In 1997, the Conservative Baptist Association named Moishe Roisin (who
started J4J's) "Hero of the Faith."
Roisin added the Jewish flavour to J4J's ,including using some Yiddish and
Hebrew in some of their literature when he started the movement ,with the
expressed objective of converting as many Jews to Christianity as possible.
Other than that their doctrinal statement is basically indistinguishable
from Evangelical and other conservative Christian groups. ... They differ
from some Evangelical Christian groups in their belief that Israel continues
to exist as a "covenant people."
Jews for Jesus is a Christian evangelistic organization that focuses
specifically on the conversion of Jews to Christianity. Viewing its
followers - either Jewish as defined by Jewish law, or Jews according to
Jews for Jesus - as "living out their Jewishness,"Jews for Jesus defines
"Jewish" in terms of parentage and as a birthright, regardless of religious
belief. Identification of Jews for Jesus as a Jewish organization is
overwhelmingly rejected by Jewish religious denominationsand secular groups
due to the Christian - specifically evangelical - beliefs of its members.
The group's evangelism related activities are opposed also by some Christian
organizations and scholars
Jews for Jesus is based in San Francisco, California at a Baptist Church.
Jews for Jesus official mission statement is "to make the Messiahship of
Jesus an unavoidable issue to our Jewish people worldwide." They say that
belief in Jesus as Messiah is a fulfillment of the prophecies of Hebrew
scripture. Through media advertisements, production and distribution of
literature, producing music and organizing person-to-person evangelism, the
organization asserts that "a specifically Jewish mission" is necessary,
saying "Jewish people tend to dismiss evangelistic methods and materials
that are couched in Christian lingo, because they reinforce the assumption
that Jesus is for 'them' not 'us.'"
Jews for Jesus promotes awareness of the Jewish heritage of the Christian
faith. Their website contains brief descriptions of Jewish festivals and
also runs programs explaining the significance of Passover, Sukkot and
Hanukkah, explaining messianic elements and how they believe these festivals
are related to Jesus."Evangelists in the organization have been trained to
recite phrases from the Old Testament and to use Yiddish words so as to
convince potential converts that Jews for Jesus maintain Jewish traditions."
The organization was founded under the name Hineni Ministries in 1973 by
Moishe Rosen, an ordained Baptist minister.
Moishe Rosen (born 12 April 1932 as Martin Meyer Rosen) His given Hebrew
name was Moshe or Moses and Moishe is the vernacular Yiddish. His parents
were Ben Rosen and Rose Baker. He is the founder and former Executive
Director of Jews for Jesus, an evangelical Christian missionary organization
working to proclaim and promote the message of Christ amongst the Jewish
People. Rosen was raised in Denver, Colorado. According to Rosen his
mother's parents were "Reform Jews from Austria", his paternal grandfather
was Orthodox, and although Rosen's father regularly attended an Orthodox
synagogue he was "not religious" and viewed religion as a "racket".
Rosen married Ceil Starr on 18 August 1950; and they became Christians in
1953. After graduating Northeastern Bible College, Rosen made a commitment
to be a missionary to Jews from 1956. He was ordained as a Conservative
Baptist minister in 1957. He felt a need for a more visible kind of
evangelism and developed new techniques of communication which culminated in
what became known as The Jews for Jesus movement in 1969. In 1973 Rosen left
the employment of the American Board of Missions to the Jews (now called
Chosen People Ministries) to incorporate a separate mission which became
known as Jews for Jesus ministries. In 1986 he received a Doctor of Divinity
Degree from Western Conservative Baptist Seminary in Portland. He stepped
down from his position as Executive Director in 1996, but continues to be
employed as a staff missionary and remains one of fifteen board members.
In 1997 the Conservative Baptist Union named him "Hero of the Faith."
The troubling issue about "Jews for Jesus" is their insistence that they
are "Jews" without qualification and that they can somehow be both Jews
and fundamentalist Christians simultaneously.
They believe they have the right to define Jewish identity .LOL.
However, this is really rather self-referentially incoherent. Can a
Baptist accept Buddhism and then become a "Baptist for Buddha," or can a
Mormon embrace Islam and be a "Mormon for Mohammed"?
--
Talk about OxyMoron.... Two religions that contradict each other.
Joe Bruno
2008-05-16 07:30:44 UTC
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FACT: J4J's  are Baptists, the majority of whom are not Jewish.
The few that are have converted to Christianity and as such are apostate
Jews.
Jews for Jesus" is a primarily Baptist missionary group whose sole focus is
converting Jews to Christianity. They are not a part of the Messianic
movement .
In 1997, the Conservative Baptist Association named Moishe Roisin   (who
started J4J's) "Hero of the Faith."
Roisin added the Jewish flavour to J4J's ,including using some Yiddish and
Hebrew in some of their literature when he started the movement ,with the
expressed objective of converting as many Jews to Christianity as possible.
Other than that their doctrinal statement is basically indistinguishable
from Evangelical and other conservative Christian groups. ... They differ
from some Evangelical Christian groups in their belief that Israel continues
to exist as a "covenant people."
Jews for Jesus is a Christian evangelistic organization that focuses
specifically on the conversion of Jews to Christianity. Viewing its
followers - either Jewish as defined by Jewish law, or Jews according to
Jews for Jesus - as "living out their Jewishness,"Jews for Jesus defines
"Jewish" in terms of parentage and as a birthright, regardless of religious
belief. Identification of Jews for Jesus as a Jewish organization is
overwhelmingly rejected by Jewish religious denominationsand secular groups
due to the Christian - specifically evangelical - beliefs of its members.
The group's evangelism related activities are opposed also by some Christian
organizations and scholars
Jews for Jesus is based in San Francisco, California at a Baptist Church.
Jews for Jesus official mission statement is "to make the Messiahship of
Jesus an unavoidable issue to our Jewish people worldwide." They say that
belief in Jesus as Messiah is a fulfillment of the prophecies of Hebrew
scripture. Through media advertisements, production and distribution of
literature, producing music and organizing person-to-person evangelism, the
organization asserts that "a specifically Jewish mission" is necessary,
saying "Jewish people tend to dismiss evangelistic methods and materials
that are couched in Christian lingo, because they reinforce the assumption
that Jesus is for 'them' not 'us.'"
Jews for Jesus promotes awareness of the Jewish heritage of the Christian
faith. Their website contains brief descriptions of Jewish festivals and
also runs programs explaining the significance of Passover, Sukkot and
Hanukkah, explaining messianic elements and how they believe these festivals
are related to Jesus."Evangelists in the organization have been trained to
recite phrases from the Old Testament and to use Yiddish words so as to
convince potential converts that Jews for Jesus maintain Jewish traditions."
The organization was founded under the name Hineni Ministries in 1973 by
Moishe Rosen, an ordained Baptist minister.
Moishe Rosen (born 12 April 1932 as Martin Meyer Rosen) His given Hebrew
name was Moshe or Moses and Moishe is the vernacular Yiddish. His parents
were Ben Rosen and Rose Baker. He is the founder and former Executive
Director of Jews for Jesus, an evangelical Christian missionary organization
working to proclaim and promote the message of Christ amongst the Jewish
People. Rosen was raised in Denver, Colorado. According to Rosen his
mother's parents were "Reform Jews from Austria", his paternal grandfather
was Orthodox, and although Rosen's father regularly attended an Orthodox
synagogue he was "not religious" and viewed religion as a "racket".
Rosen married Ceil Starr on 18 August 1950; and they became Christians in
1953. After graduating Northeastern Bible College, Rosen made a commitment
to be a missionary to Jews from 1956. He was ordained as a Conservative
Baptist minister in 1957. He felt a need for a more visible kind of
evangelism and developed new techniques of communication which culminated in
what became known as The Jews for Jesus movement in 1969. In 1973 Rosen left
the employment of the American Board of Missions to the Jews (now called
Chosen People Ministries) to incorporate a separate mission which became
known as Jews for Jesus ministries. In 1986 he received a Doctor of Divinity
Degree from Western Conservative Baptist Seminary in Portland. He stepped
down from his position as Executive Director in 1996, but continues to be
employed as a staff missionary and remains one of fifteen board members.
In 1997 the Conservative Baptist Union named him "Hero of the Faith."
The troubling issue about "Jews for Jesus" is their insistence that they
are "Jews" without qualification and that they can somehow be both Jews
and fundamentalist Christians simultaneously.
They believe they have the right to define Jewish identity .LOL.
However, this is really rather self-referentially incoherent. Can a
Baptist accept Buddhism and then become a "Baptist for Buddha," or can a
Mormon embrace Islam and be a "Mormon for Mohammed"?
--
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I agree.Central to Judaism is the idea that God is the only divine
being.
B.H. Cramer
2008-05-16 10:09:00 UTC
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FACT: J4J's are Baptists, the majority of whom are not Jewish.
The few that are have converted to Christianity and as such are apostate
Jews.
Jews for Jesus" is a primarily Baptist missionary group whose sole focus is
converting Jews to Christianity. They are not a part of the Messianic
movement .
In 1997, the Conservative Baptist Association named Moishe Roisin (who
started J4J's) "Hero of the Faith."
Roisin added the Jewish flavour to J4J's ,including using some Yiddish and
Hebrew in some of their literature when he started the movement ,with the
expressed objective of converting as many Jews to Christianity as possible.
Other than that their doctrinal statement is basically indistinguishable
from Evangelical and other conservative Christian groups. ... They differ
from some Evangelical Christian groups in their belief that Israel continues
to exist as a "covenant people."
Jews for Jesus is a Christian evangelistic organization that focuses
specifically on the conversion of Jews to Christianity. Viewing its
followers - either Jewish as defined by Jewish law, or Jews according to
Jews for Jesus - as "living out their Jewishness,"Jews for Jesus defines
"Jewish" in terms of parentage and as a birthright, regardless of religious
belief. Identification of Jews for Jesus as a Jewish organization is
overwhelmingly rejected by Jewish religious denominationsand secular groups
due to the Christian - specifically evangelical - beliefs of its members.
The group's evangelism related activities are opposed also by some Christian
organizations and scholars
Jews for Jesus is based in San Francisco, California at a Baptist Church.
Jews for Jesus official mission statement is "to make the Messiahship of
Jesus an unavoidable issue to our Jewish people worldwide." They say that
belief in Jesus as Messiah is a fulfillment of the prophecies of Hebrew
scripture. Through media advertisements, production and distribution of
literature, producing music and organizing person-to-person evangelism, the
organization asserts that "a specifically Jewish mission" is necessary,
saying "Jewish people tend to dismiss evangelistic methods and materials
that are couched in Christian lingo, because they reinforce the assumption
that Jesus is for 'them' not 'us.'"
Jews for Jesus promotes awareness of the Jewish heritage of the Christian
faith. Their website contains brief descriptions of Jewish festivals and
also runs programs explaining the significance of Passover, Sukkot and
Hanukkah, explaining messianic elements and how they believe these festivals
are related to Jesus."Evangelists in the organization have been trained to
recite phrases from the Old Testament and to use Yiddish words so as to
convince potential converts that Jews for Jesus maintain Jewish traditions."
The organization was founded under the name Hineni Ministries in 1973 by
Moishe Rosen, an ordained Baptist minister.
Moishe Rosen (born 12 April 1932 as Martin Meyer Rosen) His given Hebrew
name was Moshe or Moses and Moishe is the vernacular Yiddish. His parents
were Ben Rosen and Rose Baker. He is the founder and former Executive
Director of Jews for Jesus, an evangelical Christian missionary organization
working to proclaim and promote the message of Christ amongst the Jewish
People. Rosen was raised in Denver, Colorado. According to Rosen his
mother's parents were "Reform Jews from Austria", his paternal grandfather
was Orthodox, and although Rosen's father regularly attended an Orthodox
synagogue he was "not religious" and viewed religion as a "racket".
Rosen married Ceil Starr on 18 August 1950; and they became Christians in
1953. After graduating Northeastern Bible College, Rosen made a commitment
to be a missionary to Jews from 1956. He was ordained as a Conservative
Baptist minister in 1957. He felt a need for a more visible kind of
evangelism and developed new techniques of communication which
culminated
in
what became known as The Jews for Jesus movement in 1969. In 1973 Rosen left
the employment of the American Board of Missions to the Jews (now called
Chosen People Ministries) to incorporate a separate mission which became
known as Jews for Jesus ministries. In 1986 he received a Doctor of Divinity
Degree from Western Conservative Baptist Seminary in Portland. He stepped
down from his position as Executive Director in 1996, but continues to be
employed as a staff missionary and remains one of fifteen board members.
In 1997 the Conservative Baptist Union named him "Hero of the Faith."
The troubling issue about "Jews for Jesus" is their insistence that they
are "Jews" without qualification and that they can somehow be both Jews
and fundamentalist Christians simultaneously.
They believe they have the right to define Jewish identity .LOL.
However, this is really rather self-referentially incoherent. Can a
Baptist accept Buddhism and then become a "Baptist for Buddha," or can a
Mormon embrace Islam and be a "Mormon for Mohammed"?
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I agree.Central to Judaism is the idea that God is the only divine
being.

There is no god, fucknutz.
Joe Bruno
2008-05-18 03:21:19 UTC
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FACT: J4J's are Baptists, the majority of whom are not Jewish.
The few that are have converted to Christianity and as such are apostate
Jews.
Jews for Jesus" is a primarily Baptist missionary group whose sole focus is
converting Jews to Christianity. They are not a part of the Messianic
movement .
In 1997, the Conservative Baptist Association named Moishe Roisin (who
started J4J's) "Hero of the Faith."
Roisin added the Jewish flavour to J4J's ,including using some Yiddish and
Hebrew in some of their literature when he started the movement ,with the
expressed objective of converting as many Jews to Christianity as possible.
Other than that their doctrinal statement is basically indistinguishable
from Evangelical and other conservative Christian groups. ... They differ
from some Evangelical Christian groups in their belief that Israel continues
to exist as a "covenant people."
Jews for Jesus is a Christian evangelistic organization that focuses
specifically on the conversion of Jews to Christianity. Viewing its
followers - either Jewish as defined by Jewish law, or Jews according to
Jews for Jesus - as "living out their Jewishness,"Jews for Jesus defines
"Jewish" in terms of parentage and as a birthright, regardless of religious
belief. Identification of Jews for Jesus as a Jewish organization is
overwhelmingly rejected by Jewish religious denominationsand secular groups
due to the Christian - specifically evangelical - beliefs of its members.
The group's evangelism related activities are opposed also by some Christian
organizations and scholars
Jews for Jesus is based in San Francisco, California at a Baptist Church.
Jews for Jesus official mission statement is "to make the Messiahship of
Jesus an unavoidable issue to our Jewish people worldwide." They say that
belief in Jesus as Messiah is a fulfillment of the prophecies of Hebrew
scripture. Through media advertisements, production and distribution of
literature, producing music and organizing person-to-person evangelism, the
organization asserts that "a specifically Jewish mission" is necessary,
saying "Jewish people tend to dismiss evangelistic methods and materials
that are couched in Christian lingo, because they reinforce the assumption
that Jesus is for 'them' not 'us.'"
Jews for Jesus promotes awareness of the Jewish heritage of the Christian
faith. Their website contains brief descriptions of Jewish festivals and
also runs programs explaining the significance of Passover, Sukkot and
Hanukkah, explaining messianic elements and how they believe these festivals
are related to Jesus."Evangelists in the organization have been trained to
recite phrases from the Old Testament and to use Yiddish words so as to
convince potential converts that Jews for Jesus maintain Jewish traditions."
The organization was founded under the name Hineni Ministries in 1973 by
Moishe Rosen, an ordained Baptist minister.
Moishe Rosen (born 12 April 1932 as Martin Meyer Rosen) His given Hebrew
name was Moshe or Moses and Moishe is the vernacular Yiddish. His parents
were Ben Rosen and Rose Baker. He is the founder and former Executive
Director of Jews for Jesus, an evangelical Christian missionary organization
working to proclaim and promote the message of Christ amongst the Jewish
People. Rosen was raised in Denver, Colorado. According to Rosen his
mother's parents were "Reform Jews from Austria", his paternal grandfather
was Orthodox, and although Rosen's father regularly attended an Orthodox
synagogue he was "not religious" and viewed religion as a "racket".
Rosen married Ceil Starr on 18 August 1950; and they became Christians in
1953. After graduating Northeastern Bible College, Rosen made a commitment
to be a missionary to Jews from 1956. He was ordained as a Conservative
Baptist minister in 1957. He felt a need for a more visible kind of
evangelism and developed new techniques of communication which
culminated
in
what became known as The Jews for Jesus movement in 1969. In 1973 Rosen left
the employment of the American Board of Missions to the Jews (now called
Chosen People Ministries) to incorporate a separate mission which became
known as Jews for Jesus ministries. In 1986 he received a Doctor of Divinity
Degree from Western Conservative Baptist Seminary in Portland. He stepped
down from his position as Executive Director in 1996, but continues to be
employed as a staff missionary and remains one of fifteen board members.
In 1997 the Conservative Baptist Union named him "Hero of the Faith."
The troubling issue about "Jews for Jesus" is their insistence that they
are "Jews" without qualification and that they can somehow be both Jews
and fundamentalist Christians simultaneously.
They believe they have the right to define Jewish identity .LOL.
However, this is really rather self-referentially incoherent. Can a
Baptist accept Buddhism and then become a "Baptist for Buddha," or can a
Mormon embrace Islam and be a "Mormon for Mohammed"?
--
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I agree.Central to Judaism is the idea that God is the only divine
being.
There is no god, fucknutz.- Hide quoted text -
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According to you.
B.H. Cramer
2008-05-18 03:34:02 UTC
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Post by Joe Bruno
FACT: J4J's are Baptists, the majority of whom are not Jewish.
The few that are have converted to Christianity and as such are apostate
Jews.
Jews for Jesus" is a primarily Baptist missionary group whose sole
focus
is
converting Jews to Christianity. They are not a part of the Messianic
movement .
In 1997, the Conservative Baptist Association named Moishe Roisin (who
started J4J's) "Hero of the Faith."
Roisin added the Jewish flavour to J4J's ,including using some Yiddish and
Hebrew in some of their literature when he started the movement ,with the
expressed objective of converting as many Jews to Christianity as possible.
Other than that their doctrinal statement is basically
indistinguishable
from Evangelical and other conservative Christian groups. ... They differ
from some Evangelical Christian groups in their belief that Israel continues
to exist as a "covenant people."
Jews for Jesus is a Christian evangelistic organization that focuses
specifically on the conversion of Jews to Christianity. Viewing its
followers - either Jewish as defined by Jewish law, or Jews according to
Jews for Jesus - as "living out their Jewishness,"Jews for Jesus defines
"Jewish" in terms of parentage and as a birthright, regardless of religious
belief. Identification of Jews for Jesus as a Jewish organization is
overwhelmingly rejected by Jewish religious denominationsand secular groups
due to the Christian - specifically evangelical - beliefs of its members.
The group's evangelism related activities are opposed also by some Christian
organizations and scholars
Jews for Jesus is based in San Francisco, California at a Baptist Church.
Jews for Jesus official mission statement is "to make the Messiahship of
Jesus an unavoidable issue to our Jewish people worldwide." They say that
belief in Jesus as Messiah is a fulfillment of the prophecies of Hebrew
scripture. Through media advertisements, production and distribution of
literature, producing music and organizing person-to-person
evangelism,
the
organization asserts that "a specifically Jewish mission" is necessary,
saying "Jewish people tend to dismiss evangelistic methods and materials
that are couched in Christian lingo, because they reinforce the assumption
that Jesus is for 'them' not 'us.'"
Jews for Jesus promotes awareness of the Jewish heritage of the Christian
faith. Their website contains brief descriptions of Jewish festivals and
also runs programs explaining the significance of Passover, Sukkot and
Hanukkah, explaining messianic elements and how they believe these festivals
are related to Jesus."Evangelists in the organization have been
trained
to
recite phrases from the Old Testament and to use Yiddish words so as to
convince potential converts that Jews for Jesus maintain Jewish traditions."
The organization was founded under the name Hineni Ministries in 1973 by
Moishe Rosen, an ordained Baptist minister.
Moishe Rosen (born 12 April 1932 as Martin Meyer Rosen) His given Hebrew
name was Moshe or Moses and Moishe is the vernacular Yiddish. His parents
were Ben Rosen and Rose Baker. He is the founder and former Executive
Director of Jews for Jesus, an evangelical Christian missionary organization
working to proclaim and promote the message of Christ amongst the Jewish
People. Rosen was raised in Denver, Colorado. According to Rosen his
mother's parents were "Reform Jews from Austria", his paternal grandfather
was Orthodox, and although Rosen's father regularly attended an Orthodox
synagogue he was "not religious" and viewed religion as a "racket".
Rosen married Ceil Starr on 18 August 1950; and they became Christians in
1953. After graduating Northeastern Bible College, Rosen made a commitment
to be a missionary to Jews from 1956. He was ordained as a
Conservative
Baptist minister in 1957. He felt a need for a more visible kind of
evangelism and developed new techniques of communication which
culminated
in
what became known as The Jews for Jesus movement in 1969. In 1973
Rosen
left
the employment of the American Board of Missions to the Jews (now called
Chosen People Ministries) to incorporate a separate mission which became
known as Jews for Jesus ministries. In 1986 he received a Doctor of Divinity
Degree from Western Conservative Baptist Seminary in Portland. He stepped
down from his position as Executive Director in 1996, but continues to be
employed as a staff missionary and remains one of fifteen board members.
In 1997 the Conservative Baptist Union named him "Hero of the Faith."
The troubling issue about "Jews for Jesus" is their insistence that they
are "Jews" without qualification and that they can somehow be both Jews
and fundamentalist Christians simultaneously.
They believe they have the right to define Jewish identity .LOL.
However, this is really rather self-referentially incoherent. Can a
Baptist accept Buddhism and then become a "Baptist for Buddha," or can a
Mormon embrace Islam and be a "Mormon for Mohammed"?
--
Talk about OxyMoron.... Two religions that contradict each other.- Hide quoted text -
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I agree.Central to Judaism is the idea that God is the only divine
being.
There is no god, fucknutz.- Hide quoted text -
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According to you.

I am but one of the many, b'luto.
Joe Bruno
2008-05-18 03:42:15 UTC
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FACT: J4J's are Baptists, the majority of whom are not Jewish.
The few that are have converted to Christianity and as such are apostate
Jews.
Jews for Jesus" is a primarily Baptist missionary group whose sole
focus
is
converting Jews to Christianity. They are not a part of the Messianic
movement .
In 1997, the Conservative Baptist Association named Moishe Roisin (who
started J4J's) "Hero of the Faith."
Roisin added the Jewish flavour to J4J's ,including using some Yiddish and
Hebrew in some of their literature when he started the movement ,with the
expressed objective of converting as many Jews to Christianity as possible.
Other than that their doctrinal statement is basically
indistinguishable
from Evangelical and other conservative Christian groups. ... They differ
from some Evangelical Christian groups in their belief that Israel continues
to exist as a "covenant people."
Jews for Jesus is a Christian evangelistic organization that focuses
specifically on the conversion of Jews to Christianity. Viewing its
followers - either Jewish as defined by Jewish law, or Jews according to
Jews for Jesus - as "living out their Jewishness,"Jews for Jesus defines
"Jewish" in terms of parentage and as a birthright, regardless of religious
belief. Identification of Jews for Jesus as a Jewish organization is
overwhelmingly rejected by Jewish religious denominationsand secular groups
due to the Christian - specifically evangelical - beliefs of its members.
The group's evangelism related activities are opposed also by some Christian
organizations and scholars
Jews for Jesus is based in San Francisco, California at a Baptist Church.
Jews for Jesus official mission statement is "to make the Messiahship of
Jesus an unavoidable issue to our Jewish people worldwide." They say that
belief in Jesus as Messiah is a fulfillment of the prophecies of Hebrew
scripture. Through media advertisements, production and distribution of
literature, producing music and organizing person-to-person
evangelism,
the
organization asserts that "a specifically Jewish mission" is necessary,
saying "Jewish people tend to dismiss evangelistic methods and materials
that are couched in Christian lingo, because they reinforce the assumption
that Jesus is for 'them' not 'us.'"
Jews for Jesus promotes awareness of the Jewish heritage of the Christian
faith. Their website contains brief descriptions of Jewish festivals and
also runs programs explaining the significance of Passover, Sukkot and
Hanukkah, explaining messianic elements and how they believe these festivals
are related to Jesus."Evangelists in the organization have been
trained
to
recite phrases from the Old Testament and to use Yiddish words so as to
convince potential converts that Jews for Jesus maintain Jewish traditions."
The organization was founded under the name Hineni Ministries in 1973 by
Moishe Rosen, an ordained Baptist minister.
Moishe Rosen (born 12 April 1932 as Martin Meyer Rosen) His given Hebrew
name was Moshe or Moses and Moishe is the vernacular Yiddish. His parents
were Ben Rosen and Rose Baker. He is the founder and former Executive
Director of Jews for Jesus, an evangelical Christian missionary organization
working to proclaim and promote the message of Christ amongst the Jewish
People. Rosen was raised in Denver, Colorado. According to Rosen his
mother's parents were "Reform Jews from Austria", his paternal grandfather
was Orthodox, and although Rosen's father regularly attended an Orthodox
synagogue he was "not religious" and viewed religion as a "racket".
Rosen married Ceil Starr on 18 August 1950; and they became Christians in
1953. After graduating Northeastern Bible College, Rosen made a commitment
to be a missionary to Jews from 1956. He was ordained as a Conservative
Baptist minister in 1957. He felt a need for a more visible kind of
evangelism and developed new techniques of communication which
culminated
in
what became known as The Jews for Jesus movement in 1969. In 1973
Rosen
left
the employment of the American Board of Missions to the Jews (now called
Chosen People Ministries) to incorporate a separate mission which became
known as Jews for Jesus ministries. In 1986 he received a Doctor of Divinity
Degree from Western Conservative Baptist Seminary in Portland. He stepped
down from his position as Executive Director in 1996, but continues to be
employed as a staff missionary and remains one of fifteen board members.
In 1997 the Conservative Baptist Union named him "Hero of the Faith."
The troubling issue about "Jews for Jesus" is their insistence that they
are "Jews" without qualification and that they can somehow be both Jews
and fundamentalist Christians simultaneously.
They believe they have the right to define Jewish identity .LOL.
However, this is really rather self-referentially incoherent. Can a
Baptist accept Buddhism and then become a "Baptist for Buddha," or can a
Mormon embrace Islam and be a "Mormon for Mohammed"?
--
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I agree.Central to Judaism is the idea that God is the only divine
being.
There is no god, fucknutz.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
According to you.
I am but one of the many, b'luto.- Hide quoted text -
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So what?

As of the 1997 census, 33% of the Earth are Christians and 28% are
Moslems.
B.H. Cramer
2008-05-18 03:59:58 UTC
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Post by Joe Bruno
Post by Joe Bruno
FACT: J4J's are Baptists, the majority of whom are not Jewish.
The few that are have converted to Christianity and as such are apostate
Jews.
Jews for Jesus" is a primarily Baptist missionary group whose sole
focus
is
converting Jews to Christianity. They are not a part of the Messianic
movement .
In 1997, the Conservative Baptist Association named Moishe Roisin (who
started J4J's) "Hero of the Faith."
Roisin added the Jewish flavour to J4J's ,including using some
Yiddish
and
Hebrew in some of their literature when he started the movement
,with
the
expressed objective of converting as many Jews to Christianity as possible.
Other than that their doctrinal statement is basically
indistinguishable
from Evangelical and other conservative Christian groups. ... They differ
from some Evangelical Christian groups in their belief that Israel continues
to exist as a "covenant people."
Jews for Jesus is a Christian evangelistic organization that focuses
specifically on the conversion of Jews to Christianity. Viewing its
followers - either Jewish as defined by Jewish law, or Jews
according
to
Jews for Jesus - as "living out their Jewishness,"Jews for Jesus defines
"Jewish" in terms of parentage and as a birthright, regardless of religious
belief. Identification of Jews for Jesus as a Jewish organization is
overwhelmingly rejected by Jewish religious denominationsand secular groups
due to the Christian - specifically evangelical - beliefs of its members.
The group's evangelism related activities are opposed also by some Christian
organizations and scholars
Jews for Jesus is based in San Francisco, California at a Baptist Church.
Jews for Jesus official mission statement is "to make the
Messiahship
of
Jesus an unavoidable issue to our Jewish people worldwide." They say that
belief in Jesus as Messiah is a fulfillment of the prophecies of Hebrew
scripture. Through media advertisements, production and distribution of
literature, producing music and organizing person-to-person
evangelism,
the
organization asserts that "a specifically Jewish mission" is necessary,
saying "Jewish people tend to dismiss evangelistic methods and materials
that are couched in Christian lingo, because they reinforce the assumption
that Jesus is for 'them' not 'us.'"
Jews for Jesus promotes awareness of the Jewish heritage of the Christian
faith. Their website contains brief descriptions of Jewish festivals and
also runs programs explaining the significance of Passover, Sukkot and
Hanukkah, explaining messianic elements and how they believe these festivals
are related to Jesus."Evangelists in the organization have been
trained
to
recite phrases from the Old Testament and to use Yiddish words so as to
convince potential converts that Jews for Jesus maintain Jewish traditions."
The organization was founded under the name Hineni Ministries in
1973
by
Moishe Rosen, an ordained Baptist minister.
Moishe Rosen (born 12 April 1932 as Martin Meyer Rosen) His given Hebrew
name was Moshe or Moses and Moishe is the vernacular Yiddish. His parents
were Ben Rosen and Rose Baker. He is the founder and former Executive
Director of Jews for Jesus, an evangelical Christian missionary organization
working to proclaim and promote the message of Christ amongst the Jewish
People. Rosen was raised in Denver, Colorado. According to Rosen his
mother's parents were "Reform Jews from Austria", his paternal grandfather
was Orthodox, and although Rosen's father regularly attended an Orthodox
synagogue he was "not religious" and viewed religion as a "racket".
Rosen married Ceil Starr on 18 August 1950; and they became
Christians
in
1953. After graduating Northeastern Bible College, Rosen made a commitment
to be a missionary to Jews from 1956. He was ordained as a Conservative
Baptist minister in 1957. He felt a need for a more visible kind of
evangelism and developed new techniques of communication which
culminated
in
what became known as The Jews for Jesus movement in 1969. In 1973
Rosen
left
the employment of the American Board of Missions to the Jews (now called
Chosen People Ministries) to incorporate a separate mission which became
known as Jews for Jesus ministries. In 1986 he received a Doctor of Divinity
Degree from Western Conservative Baptist Seminary in Portland. He stepped
down from his position as Executive Director in 1996, but continues
to
be
employed as a staff missionary and remains one of fifteen board members.
In 1997 the Conservative Baptist Union named him "Hero of the Faith."
The troubling issue about "Jews for Jesus" is their insistence that they
are "Jews" without qualification and that they can somehow be both Jews
and fundamentalist Christians simultaneously.
They believe they have the right to define Jewish identity .LOL.
However, this is really rather self-referentially incoherent. Can a
Baptist accept Buddhism and then become a "Baptist for Buddha," or
can
a
Mormon embrace Islam and be a "Mormon for Mohammed"?
--
Talk about OxyMoron.... Two religions that contradict each other.- Hide
quoted text -
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I agree.Central to Judaism is the idea that God is the only divine
being.
There is no god, fucknutz.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
According to you.
I am but one of the many, b'luto.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
So what?

As of the 1997 census, 33% of the Earth are Christians and 28% are
Moslems.


And?
Joe Bruno
2008-05-18 04:03:23 UTC
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Post by Joe Bruno
Post by Joe Bruno
Post by Joe Bruno
FACT: J4J's are Baptists, the majority of whom are not Jewish.
The few that are have converted to Christianity and as such are apostate
Jews.
Jews for Jesus" is a primarily Baptist missionary group whose sole
focus
is
converting Jews to Christianity. They are not a part of the Messianic
movement .
In 1997, the Conservative Baptist Association named Moishe Roisin (who
started J4J's) "Hero of the Faith."
Roisin added the Jewish flavour to J4J's ,including using some
Yiddish
and
Hebrew in some of their literature when he started the movement
,with
the
expressed objective of converting as many Jews to Christianity as possible.
Other than that their doctrinal statement is basically
indistinguishable
from Evangelical and other conservative Christian groups. ... They differ
from some Evangelical Christian groups in their belief that Israel
continues
to exist as a "covenant people."
Jews for Jesus is a Christian evangelistic organization that focuses
specifically on the conversion of Jews to Christianity. Viewing its
followers - either Jewish as defined by Jewish law, or Jews
according
to
Jews for Jesus - as "living out their Jewishness,"Jews for Jesus defines
"Jewish" in terms of parentage and as a birthright, regardless of religious
belief. Identification of Jews for Jesus as a Jewish organization is
overwhelmingly rejected by Jewish religious denominationsand secular groups
due to the Christian - specifically evangelical - beliefs of its members.
The group's evangelism related activities are opposed also by some
Christian
organizations and scholars
Jews for Jesus is based in San Francisco, California at a Baptist Church.
Jews for Jesus official mission statement is "to make the
Messiahship
of
Jesus an unavoidable issue to our Jewish people worldwide." They say that
belief in Jesus as Messiah is a fulfillment of the prophecies of Hebrew
scripture. Through media advertisements, production and distribution of
literature, producing music and organizing person-to-person
evangelism,
the
organization asserts that "a specifically Jewish mission" is necessary,
saying "Jewish people tend to dismiss evangelistic methods and materials
that are couched in Christian lingo, because they reinforce the assumption
that Jesus is for 'them' not 'us.'"
Jews for Jesus promotes awareness of the Jewish heritage of the Christian
faith. Their website contains brief descriptions of Jewish festivals and
also runs programs explaining the significance of Passover, Sukkot and
Hanukkah, explaining messianic elements and how they believe these
festivals
are related to Jesus."Evangelists in the organization have been
trained
to
recite phrases from the Old Testament and to use Yiddish words so as to
convince potential converts that Jews for Jesus maintain Jewish
traditions."
The organization was founded under the name Hineni Ministries in
1973
by
Moishe Rosen, an ordained Baptist minister.
Moishe Rosen (born 12 April 1932 as Martin Meyer Rosen) His given Hebrew
name was Moshe or Moses and Moishe is the vernacular Yiddish. His parents
were Ben Rosen and Rose Baker. He is the founder and former Executive
Director of Jews for Jesus, an evangelical Christian missionary
organization
working to proclaim and promote the message of Christ amongst the Jewish
People. Rosen was raised in Denver, Colorado. According to Rosen his
mother's parents were "Reform Jews from Austria", his paternal grandfather
was Orthodox, and although Rosen's father regularly attended an Orthodox
synagogue he was "not religious" and viewed religion as a "racket".
Rosen married Ceil Starr on 18 August 1950; and they became
Christians
in
1953. After graduating Northeastern Bible College, Rosen made a commitment
to be a missionary to Jews from 1956. He was ordained as a Conservative
Baptist minister in 1957. He felt a need for a more visible kind of
evangelism and developed new techniques of communication which
culminated
in
what became known as The Jews for Jesus movement in 1969. In 1973
Rosen
left
the employment of the American Board of Missions to the Jews (now called
Chosen People Ministries) to incorporate a separate mission which became
known as Jews for Jesus ministries. In 1986 he received a Doctor of
Divinity
Degree from Western Conservative Baptist Seminary in Portland. He stepped
down from his position as Executive Director in 1996, but continues
to
be
employed as a staff missionary and remains one of fifteen board members.
In 1997 the Conservative Baptist Union named him "Hero of the Faith."
The troubling issue about "Jews for Jesus" is their insistence that they
are "Jews" without qualification and that they can somehow be both Jews
and fundamentalist Christians simultaneously.
They believe they have the right to define Jewish identity .LOL.
However, this is really rather self-referentially incoherent. Can a
Baptist accept Buddhism and then become a "Baptist for Buddha," or
can
a
Mormon embrace Islam and be a "Mormon for Mohammed"?
--
Talk about OxyMoron.... Two religions that contradict each other.- Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I agree.Central to Judaism is the idea that God is the only divine
being.
There is no god, fucknutz.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
According to you.
I am but one of the many, b'luto.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
So what?
As of the 1997 census, 33% of the Earth are Christians and 28% are
Moslems.
And?- Hide quoted text -
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YOu can't figure it out? How stupid can you be?
B.H. Cramer
2008-05-18 04:07:23 UTC
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Post by Joe Bruno
Post by Joe Bruno
Post by Joe Bruno
FACT: J4J's are Baptists, the majority of whom are not Jewish.
The few that are have converted to Christianity and as such are apostate
Jews.
Jews for Jesus" is a primarily Baptist missionary group whose sole
focus
is
converting Jews to Christianity. They are not a part of the Messianic
movement .
In 1997, the Conservative Baptist Association named Moishe Roisin (who
started J4J's) "Hero of the Faith."
Roisin added the Jewish flavour to J4J's ,including using some
Yiddish
and
Hebrew in some of their literature when he started the movement
,with
the
expressed objective of converting as many Jews to Christianity as possible.
Other than that their doctrinal statement is basically
indistinguishable
from Evangelical and other conservative Christian groups. ... They differ
from some Evangelical Christian groups in their belief that Israel
continues
to exist as a "covenant people."
Jews for Jesus is a Christian evangelistic organization that focuses
specifically on the conversion of Jews to Christianity. Viewing its
followers - either Jewish as defined by Jewish law, or Jews
according
to
Jews for Jesus - as "living out their Jewishness,"Jews for Jesus defines
"Jewish" in terms of parentage and as a birthright, regardless of religious
belief. Identification of Jews for Jesus as a Jewish organization is
overwhelmingly rejected by Jewish religious denominationsand
secular
groups
due to the Christian - specifically evangelical - beliefs of its members.
The group's evangelism related activities are opposed also by some
Christian
organizations and scholars
Jews for Jesus is based in San Francisco, California at a Baptist Church.
Jews for Jesus official mission statement is "to make the
Messiahship
of
Jesus an unavoidable issue to our Jewish people worldwide." They
say
that
belief in Jesus as Messiah is a fulfillment of the prophecies of Hebrew
scripture. Through media advertisements, production and
distribution
of
literature, producing music and organizing person-to-person
evangelism,
the
organization asserts that "a specifically Jewish mission" is necessary,
saying "Jewish people tend to dismiss evangelistic methods and materials
that are couched in Christian lingo, because they reinforce the assumption
that Jesus is for 'them' not 'us.'"
Jews for Jesus promotes awareness of the Jewish heritage of the Christian
faith. Their website contains brief descriptions of Jewish
festivals
and
also runs programs explaining the significance of Passover, Sukkot and
Hanukkah, explaining messianic elements and how they believe these
festivals
are related to Jesus."Evangelists in the organization have been
trained
to
recite phrases from the Old Testament and to use Yiddish words so
as
to
convince potential converts that Jews for Jesus maintain Jewish
traditions."
The organization was founded under the name Hineni Ministries in
1973
by
Moishe Rosen, an ordained Baptist minister.
Moishe Rosen (born 12 April 1932 as Martin Meyer Rosen) His given Hebrew
name was Moshe or Moses and Moishe is the vernacular Yiddish. His parents
were Ben Rosen and Rose Baker. He is the founder and former Executive
Director of Jews for Jesus, an evangelical Christian missionary
organization
working to proclaim and promote the message of Christ amongst the Jewish
People. Rosen was raised in Denver, Colorado. According to Rosen his
mother's parents were "Reform Jews from Austria", his paternal grandfather
was Orthodox, and although Rosen's father regularly attended an Orthodox
synagogue he was "not religious" and viewed religion as a "racket".
Rosen married Ceil Starr on 18 August 1950; and they became
Christians
in
1953. After graduating Northeastern Bible College, Rosen made a commitment
to be a missionary to Jews from 1956. He was ordained as a Conservative
Baptist minister in 1957. He felt a need for a more visible kind of
evangelism and developed new techniques of communication which
culminated
in
what became known as The Jews for Jesus movement in 1969. In 1973
Rosen
left
the employment of the American Board of Missions to the Jews (now called
Chosen People Ministries) to incorporate a separate mission which became
known as Jews for Jesus ministries. In 1986 he received a Doctor of
Divinity
Degree from Western Conservative Baptist Seminary in Portland. He stepped
down from his position as Executive Director in 1996, but continues
to
be
employed as a staff missionary and remains one of fifteen board members.
In 1997 the Conservative Baptist Union named him "Hero of the Faith."
The troubling issue about "Jews for Jesus" is their insistence
that
they
are "Jews" without qualification and that they can somehow be both Jews
and fundamentalist Christians simultaneously.
They believe they have the right to define Jewish identity .LOL.
However, this is really rather self-referentially incoherent. Can a
Baptist accept Buddhism and then become a "Baptist for Buddha," or
can
a
Mormon embrace Islam and be a "Mormon for Mohammed"?
--
Talk about OxyMoron.... Two religions that contradict each other.- Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I agree.Central to Judaism is the idea that God is the only divine
being.
There is no god, fucknutz.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
According to you.
I am but one of the many, b'luto.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
So what?
As of the 1997 census, 33% of the Earth are Christians and 28% are
Moslems.
And?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
YOu can't figure it out? How stupid can you be?

I don't know what the fuck I'm supposed to be figuring out, b'luto.

It's difficult to know where your head is at, given you've posted
information which is irrelevant to the topic being discussed, and then
decided there must be some wee task I am to attend to, with no instructions
given.

I'm good, b'luto, but a mind reader I'm not.

Do you think you might post something which makes sense one day? Just once?
L Alpert
2008-05-18 12:08:08 UTC
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I am but one of the many, b'luto.- Hide quoted text -
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So what?
As of the 1997 census, 33% of the Earth are Christians and 28% are
Moslems.
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YOu can't figure it out? How stupid can you be?


Yet he continually whines about minorities and the firm grasp they
have over the majority. Some need to be led, others just aren't worth
it.
I'll Always Be Here
2008-05-18 19:49:24 UTC
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Post by Joe Bruno
So what?
As of the 1997 census, 33% of the Earth are Christians and 28% are
Moslems.
And?
More than 33% of the crimes are committed by christians. They are an arrogant
and dishonest group of people.
I'll Always Be Here
2008-05-16 08:21:53 UTC
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Post by Poohrona
Post by Tilly
FACT: J4J's are Baptists, the majority of whom are not Jewish.
The few that are have converted to Christianity and as such are apostate
Jews.
Jews for Jesus" is a primarily Baptist missionary group whose sole
focus
Post by Poohrona
Post by Tilly
is
converting Jews to Christianity. They are not a part of the Messianic
movement .
In 1997, the Conservative Baptist Association named Moishe Roisin
(who
Post by Poohrona
Post by Tilly
started J4J's) "Hero of the Faith."
Roisin added the Jewish flavour to J4J's ,including using some Yiddish and
Hebrew in some of their literature when he started the movement ,with the
expressed objective of converting as many Jews to Christianity as possible.
Other than that their doctrinal statement is basically
indistinguishable
Post by Poohrona
Post by Tilly
from Evangelical and other conservative Christian groups. ... They differ
from some Evangelical Christian groups in their belief that Israel continues
to exist as a "covenant people."
Jews for Jesus is a Christian evangelistic organization that focuses
specifically on the conversion of Jews to Christianity. Viewing its
followers - either Jewish as defined by Jewish law, or Jews according to
Jews for Jesus - as "living out their Jewishness,"Jews for Jesus defines
"Jewish" in terms of parentage and as a birthright, regardless of religious
belief. Identification of Jews for Jesus as a Jewish organization is
overwhelmingly rejected by Jewish religious denominationsand secular groups
due to the Christian - specifically evangelical - beliefs of its members.
The group's evangelism related activities are opposed also by some Christian
organizations and scholars
Jews for Jesus is based in San Francisco, California at a Baptist Church.
Jews for Jesus official mission statement is "to make the Messiahship of
Jesus an unavoidable issue to our Jewish people worldwide." They say that
belief in Jesus as Messiah is a fulfillment of the prophecies of Hebrew
scripture. Through media advertisements, production and distribution of
literature, producing music and organizing person-to-person evangelism, the
organization asserts that "a specifically Jewish mission" is necessary,
saying "Jewish people tend to dismiss evangelistic methods and materials
that are couched in Christian lingo, because they reinforce the assumption
that Jesus is for 'them' not 'us.'"
Jews for Jesus promotes awareness of the Jewish heritage of the Christian
faith. Their website contains brief descriptions of Jewish festivals and
also runs programs explaining the significance of Passover, Sukkot and
Hanukkah, explaining messianic elements and how they believe these festivals
are related to Jesus."Evangelists in the organization have been trained to
recite phrases from the Old Testament and to use Yiddish words so as to
convince potential converts that Jews for Jesus maintain Jewish traditions."
The organization was founded under the name Hineni Ministries in 1973 by
Moishe Rosen, an ordained Baptist minister.
Moishe Rosen (born 12 April 1932 as Martin Meyer Rosen) His given Hebrew
name was Moshe or Moses and Moishe is the vernacular Yiddish. His parents
were Ben Rosen and Rose Baker. He is the founder and former Executive
Director of Jews for Jesus, an evangelical Christian missionary organization
working to proclaim and promote the message of Christ amongst the Jewish
People. Rosen was raised in Denver, Colorado. According to Rosen his
mother's parents were "Reform Jews from Austria", his paternal grandfather
was Orthodox, and although Rosen's father regularly attended an Orthodox
synagogue he was "not religious" and viewed religion as a "racket".
Rosen married Ceil Starr on 18 August 1950; and they became Christians in
1953. After graduating Northeastern Bible College, Rosen made a commitment
to be a missionary to Jews from 1956. He was ordained as a Conservative
Baptist minister in 1957. He felt a need for a more visible kind of
evangelism and developed new techniques of communication which
culminated
Post by Poohrona
Post by Tilly
in
what became known as The Jews for Jesus movement in 1969. In 1973 Rosen left
the employment of the American Board of Missions to the Jews (now called
Chosen People Ministries) to incorporate a separate mission which became
known as Jews for Jesus ministries. In 1986 he received a Doctor of Divinity
Degree from Western Conservative Baptist Seminary in Portland. He stepped
down from his position as Executive Director in 1996, but continues to be
employed as a staff missionary and remains one of fifteen board members.
In 1997 the Conservative Baptist Union named him "Hero of the Faith."
The troubling issue about "Jews for Jesus" is their insistence that they
are "Jews" without qualification and that they can somehow be both Jews
and fundamentalist Christians simultaneously.
They believe they have the right to define Jewish identity .LOL.
However, this is really rather self-referentially incoherent. Can a
Baptist accept Buddhism and then become a "Baptist for Buddha," or can a
Mormon embrace Islam and be a "Mormon for Mohammed"?
--
Talk about OxyMoron.... Two religions that contradict each other.
Makes about as much sense as African-Americans for the KKK
VanCooova's Leading SOB
2008-05-16 14:24:57 UTC
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Post by Tilly
FACT: J4J's are Baptists, the majority of whom are not Jewish.
The few that are have converted to Christianity and as such are apostate
Jews.
Jews for Jesus" is a primarily Baptist missionary group whose sole focus is
converting Jews to Christianity. They are not a part of the Messianic
movement .
In 1997, the Conservative Baptist Association named Moishe Roisin (who
started J4J's) "Hero of the Faith."
[circumcised]


Protestants don't recognize the authority of the Pope in Rome.



Catholics don't recognize the validity of Protestant denominations.




Baptists don't recognize each other at the corner liquor store.
ElParedon
2008-05-18 01:58:50 UTC
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Jews for Jews, is more like it!
Michael Ejercito
2008-05-18 17:12:44 UTC
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Post by ElParedon
Jews for Jews, is more like it!
Nazis for pedophilia, is more like it!


Michael
NefeshBarYohai
2008-05-18 17:25:53 UTC
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   Nazis for pedophilia, is more like it!
 Michael
WE NEED TO KILL MANY, MANY, MANY MUSLIMS THAT ARE IN JIHAD.

The first thing our military needs to determine is if the Muslims
enemies are in Jihad as are most of them. Then we need to kill all
Muslims in Jihad and kill them as fast and as much as possible. The
best thing to do is use nuclear weapons on the Muslims demons in
Jihad. The Muslims are a people that punish their own people and
their enemies by severing the limbs and decapitating the heads of
their own people and their enemies. In WWII it was the Muslims that
were behind all the evil that Hitler propagated. The Muslims are
responsible for the last holocaust and if gone unchecked the Muslims
will generate another holocaust. The Muslim is a wicked devil in
existence and all of the Muslims that are in Jihad pose a direct and
dangerous threat to all normal God fearing human begins. We must kill
the Muslim demons that are in Jihad fast and in large amounts before
they kill more of us.
Eli Grubman
2008-05-18 18:09:07 UTC
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On Sun, 18 May 2008 10:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Michael Ejercito
Post by Michael Ejercito
Post by ElParedon
Jews for Jews, is more like it!
Nazis for pedophilia, is more like it!
Spics for Food Stamps is much more like it!

Eli
Michael Ejercito
2008-05-18 20:01:24 UTC
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Post by Eli Grubman
On Sun, 18 May 2008 10:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Michael Ejercito
Post by Michael Ejercito
Post by ElParedon
Jews for Jews, is more like it!
Nazis for pedophilia, is more like it!
Spics for Food Stamps is much more like it!
Eli
AGAIN you come into defense of Nazis.


Michael
Eli Grubman
2008-05-19 04:39:16 UTC
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On Sun, 18 May 2008 13:01:24 -0700 (PDT), Michael Ejercito
Post by Michael Ejercito
Post by Eli Grubman
On Sun, 18 May 2008 10:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Michael Ejercito
Post by Michael Ejercito
Post by ElParedon
Jews for Jews, is more like it!
Nazis for pedophilia, is more like it!
Spics for Food Stamps is much more like it!
Eli
AGAIN you come into defense of Nazis.
I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about superiority.

Eli
Chris Morton
2008-05-19 14:12:35 UTC
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Post by Eli Grubman
I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself. Pathetic.
--
Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women have the "right" to fistfight with
210lb. rapists.
Eli Grubman
2008-05-19 15:33:43 UTC
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Post by Eli Grubman
I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself. Pathetic.
Yo Chrissie!

Whassup, boy!

Where de white women at?

Eli
Michael Ejercito
2008-05-19 15:36:35 UTC
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Post by Eli Grubman
Post by Chris Morton
Post by Eli Grubman
I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself. Pathetic.
Yo Chrissie!
Whassup, boy!
Where de white women at?
Eli
Since when were you interested in white women?


Michael
Eli Grubman
2008-05-19 16:46:20 UTC
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On Mon, 19 May 2008 08:36:35 -0700 (PDT), Michael Ejercito
Post by Michael Ejercito
Post by Eli Grubman
Post by Chris Morton
Post by Eli Grubman
I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself. Pathetic.
Yo Chrissie!
Whassup, boy!
Where de white women at?
Eli
Since when were you interested in white women?
Nobody's interested in black women. Not even spics.

Eli
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2008-05-19 17:44:30 UTC
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I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself.  Pathetic.
Yo Chrissie!
Whassup, boy!
Where de white women at?
Eli
  Since when were you interested in white women?
Nobody's interested in black women.  Not even spics.
I KNOW I KNOW BUT THE CAMEL IS NEVER BLACK AND IS OK FOR KORAN
BESTOLOVICH!
YOURS ARAG
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2008-05-19 18:44:29 UTC
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I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself.  Pathetic.
Yo Chrissie!
Whassup, boy!
Where de white women at?
Eli
  Since when were you interested in white women?
Nobody's interested in black women.  Not even spics.
I KNOW I KNOW BUT THE CAMEL IS NEVER BLACK AND IS OK FOR KORAN
BESTOLOVICH!
YOURS ARAG
CAMEL TOO BUSY FUCK MRS XXARAB TO READING KORAN!

ELI
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2008-05-19 17:08:40 UTC
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I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself. Pathetic.
Yo Chrissie!
Whassup, boy!
Where de white women at?
Eli
Since when were you interested in white women?
Since he decided he wanted to be one, years ago.

Susan
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2008-05-19 18:45:23 UTC
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I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself. Pathetic.
Yo Chrissie!
Whassup, boy!
Where de white women at?
Eli
Since when were you interested in white women?
Since he decided he wanted to be one, years ago.
Susan
The thick Irish cunt is projecting again.

Eli
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2008-05-19 17:41:12 UTC
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I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself.  Pathetic.
Yo Chrissie!
Whassup, boy!
Where de white women at?
Eli
   Since when were you interested in white women
...KORAN PEDOVICH MORE INTERESTED IN WHITE GOAT THAN IN WHITE WOMEN!
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2008-05-19 18:46:07 UTC
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I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself.  Pathetic.
Yo Chrissie!
Whassup, boy!
Where de white women at?
Eli
   Since when were you interested in white women
...KORAN PEDOVICH MORE INTERESTED IN WHITE GOAT THAN IN WHITE WOMEN!
WHITE GOAT MORE INTERESTED IN FUCK MRS XXARAB THAN OTHER GOAT!

ELI
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2008-05-19 17:08:08 UTC
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I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself. Pathetic.
Because he can't & he knows he can't.
The Rev Pedo is entirely indefensible.

Susan
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2008-05-19 18:47:19 UTC
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I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself. Pathetic.
Because he can't & he knows he can't.
The Rev Pedo is entirely indefensible.
Susan
Now that you and schvartze Chrissie Morton have found each other, why
don't you take your disgusting inter-racial tryst off Usenet and leave
us decent people alone?

Eli
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2008-05-19 19:48:37 UTC
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Now that you and schvartze Chrissie Morton have found each other, why
don't you take your disgusting inter-racial tryst off Usenet and leave
us decent people alone?
You, "Decent"?

You are simply a shaved headed, tiny minded, retarded, off-white child
with major incestuous values, whose parents DNA can't be traced, due to
them being being born from bestiality.

Eli? You were MADE to be born stupid... a government study!

Your posts are proof positive of this fact and the NAZI experiments you
adore.

Llamma sperm CAN be introduced into a captive womans egg, and become a
fucked in the head moron like you.

There is proof of your "Conception" on "Shockingtube.com".
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2008-05-19 20:52:45 UTC
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Now that you and schvartze Chrissie Morton have found each other, why
don't you take your disgusting inter-racial tryst off Usenet and leave
us decent people alone?
You, "Decent"?
Yes. Absolutely.
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You are simply a shaved headed, tiny minded, retarded, off-white child
with major incestuous values, whose parents DNA can't be traced, due to
them being being born from bestiality.
Everybody in your state has the same DNA. The police don't even
bother taking samples.
Post by Bruce Foxton
Eli? You were MADE to be born stupid... a government study!
Your posts are proof positive of this fact and the NAZI experiments you
adore.
Do nigras love you as much as you love nigras?
Post by Bruce Foxton
Llamma sperm CAN be introduced into a captive womans egg, and become a
fucked in the head moron like you.
There is proof of your "Conception" on "Shockingtube.com".
Are you some kind of asshole?

Eli
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2008-05-19 21:42:43 UTC
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Now that you and schvartze Chrissie Morton have found each other, why
don't you take your disgusting inter-racial tryst off Usenet and leave
us decent people alone?
You, "Decent"?
Yes. Absolutely.
Liar.

Yer a Nazi loving, shaved headed, young uneducated teeny bopper, that
was born from mental midgets that had sex with farm animals... and you
don't wash with soap or brush your remaining tooth.
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Post by Bruce Foxton
You are simply a shaved headed, tiny minded, retarded, off-white child
with major incestuous values, whose parents DNA can't be traced, due to
them being being born from bestiality.
Everybody in your state has the same DNA. The police don't even
bother taking samples.
I don't live where you reside, child.
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Post by Bruce Foxton
Eli? You were MADE to be born stupid... a government study!
Your posts are proof positive of this fact and the NAZI experiments you
adore.
Do nigras love you as much as you love nigras?
See how you are?
Being as you ARE from inferior stock(Western Yugoslavian concentration
camps where low class medical experiments were made is my guess) you
attempt to think for the first time.
Post by Eli Grubman
Post by Bruce Foxton
Llamma sperm CAN be introduced into a captive womans egg, and become a
fucked in the head moron like you.
There is proof of your "Conception" on "Shockingtube.com".
Are you some kind of asshole?
As a matter of fact, I am indeed "AH#49."

But, at least I am not an inbread, racist, ignorant fucktard like you!
Eli Grubman
2008-05-20 04:32:01 UTC
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Now that you and schvartze Chrissie Morton have found each other, why
don't you take your disgusting inter-racial tryst off Usenet and leave
us decent people alone?
You, "Decent"?
Yes. Absolutely.
Liar.
Yer a Nazi loving, shaved headed, young uneducated teeny bopper, that
was born from mental midgets that had sex with farm animals... and you
don't wash with soap or brush your remaining tooth.
Nope. But you are the result of a union between two mongoloid
siblings that had sex with their parents as well as anything else that
moved or didn't.
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Post by Eli Grubman
Post by Bruce Foxton
You are simply a shaved headed, tiny minded, retarded, off-white child
with major incestuous values, whose parents DNA can't be traced, due to
them being being born from bestiality.
Everybody in your state has the same DNA. The police don't even
bother taking samples.
I don't live where you reside, child.
You live in a segregated trailer park with all the other low lifes.
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Post by Eli Grubman
Post by Bruce Foxton
Eli? You were MADE to be born stupid... a government study!
Your posts are proof positive of this fact and the NAZI experiments you
adore.
Do nigras love you as much as you love nigras?
See how you are?
Do you see how *you* are?
Post by Bruce Foxton
Being as you ARE from inferior stock(Western Yugoslavian concentration
camps where low class medical experiments were made is my guess) you
attempt to think for the first time.
Being as you are derived from pond life, it will take millions of
years before you evolve to the point of having a brain cell.
Post by Bruce Foxton
Post by Eli Grubman
Post by Bruce Foxton
Llamma sperm CAN be introduced into a captive womans egg, and become a
fucked in the head moron like you.
There is proof of your "Conception" on "Shockingtube.com".
Are you some kind of asshole?
As a matter of fact, I am indeed "AH#49."
I thought as much.
Post by Bruce Foxton
But, at least I am not an inbread (sic) , racist, ignorant fucktard like you!
In fact, you are an ignorant, illiterate nigra-lover. Probably a
liberal. <spit>

Eli
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2008-05-20 00:25:36 UTC
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I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself. Pathetic.
Because he can't & he knows he can't.
The Rev Pedo is entirely indefensible.
Susan
Now that you and schvartze Chrissie Morton have found each other, why
don't you take your disgusting inter-racial tryst off Usenet and leave
us decent people alone?
Eli
You have no business associating yourself with decent people.


Michael
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2008-05-20 03:30:00 UTC
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I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself. Pathetic.
Because he can't & he knows he can't.
The Rev Pedo is entirely indefensible.
Susan
Now that you and schvartze Chrissie Morton have found each other, why
don't you take your disgusting inter-racial tryst off Usenet and leave
us decent people alone?
Translation: the pathetic cowardly loser can't even make up his own insults.
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Eli
You have no business associating yourself with decent people.
& that's his true curse.

Susan
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2008-05-20 04:34:22 UTC
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I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself. Pathetic.
Because he can't & he knows he can't.
The Rev Pedo is entirely indefensible.
Susan
Now that you and schvartze Chrissie Morton have found each other, why
don't you take your disgusting inter-racial tryst off Usenet and leave
us decent people alone?
Translation: the pathetic cowardly loser can't even make up his own insults.
And this from the thick Irish cunt who had to go to a spic for *her*
inspiration! Truly pathetic!
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Eli
You have no business associating yourself with decent people.
& that's his true curse.
Susan
Your true curse is believing you're jewish when the evidence to the
contrary is overwhelming.

Eli
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2008-05-20 16:38:03 UTC
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I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself. Pathetic.
Because he can't & he knows he can't.
The Rev Pedo is entirely indefensible.
Susan
Now that you and schvartze Chrissie Morton have found each other, why
don't you take your disgusting inter-racial tryst off Usenet and leave
us decent people alone?
Translation: the pathetic cowardly loser can't even make up his own insults.
And this from the thick Irish cunt who had to go to a spic for *her*
inspiration! Truly pathetic!
Better than going to someone like Adolf Hitler or David Duke for
inspiration.
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Eli
You have no business associating yourself with decent people.
& that's his true curse.
Susan
Your true curse is believing you're jewish when the evidence to the
contrary is overwhelming.
Eli
Your true curse is believing that being a Nazi makes you better
than anyone else.


Michael
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Post by Eli Grubman
I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself. Pathetic.
Because he can't & he knows he can't.
The Rev Pedo is entirely indefensible.
Susan
Now that you and schvartze Chrissie Morton have found each other, why
don't you take your disgusting inter-racial tryst off Usenet and leave
us decent people alone?
Translation: the pathetic cowardly loser can't even make up his own insults.
And this from the thick Irish cunt who had to go to a spic for *her*
inspiration! Truly pathetic!
Better than going to someone like Adolf Hitler or David Duke for
inspiration.
Don't give the thick Irish cunt ideas.
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Eli
You have no business associating yourself with decent people.
& that's his true curse.
Susan
Your true curse is believing you're jewish when the evidence to the
contrary is overwhelming.
Eli
Your true curse is believing that being a Nazi makes you better
than anyone else.
Your true curse is being a spic.

Eli
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2008-05-20 21:06:33 UTC
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You have no business associating yourself with decent people.
& that's his true curse.
Susan
Your true curse is believing you're jewish when the evidence to the
contrary is overwhelming.
See what I mean about them lying uncontrollably?
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Eli
Your true curse is believing that being a Nazi makes you better
than anyone else.
Actually, he doesn't really believe that - that's why he's so full of hate.
He just has to turn it outward in order not to kill himself.

Susan
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2008-05-20 21:43:18 UTC
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& that's his true curse.
Susan
Your true curse is believing you're jewish when the evidence to the
contrary is overwhelming.
See what I mean about them lying uncontrollably?
When are you going to stop lying about being jewish and learn what
killfiles are for?
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Eli
Your true curse is believing that being a Nazi makes you better
than anyone else.
Actually, he doesn't really believe that - that's why he's so full of hate.
He just has to turn it outward in order not to kill himself.
Susan
Not that the thick Irish cunt can prove, of course.

Eli
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2008-05-20 22:22:01 UTC
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& that's his true curse.
Susan
Your true curse is believing you're jewish when the evidence to the
contrary is overwhelming.
See what I mean about them lying uncontrollably?
When are you going to stop lying about being jewish and learn what
killfiles are for?
When are YOU going to learn anything?

Hitler,like "Jesus" were both Jews... only your "hero"(Hitler) was more
mad in the head, and shorter.


You are VERY short in statute and in mind... like your butt buddy Hitler.


Why do you hate "jews" and blacks, when your "leaders" are Jewish, and
you are ORIGINALY from Africa?

Eli?
Answer if you can.
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2008-05-21 06:25:09 UTC
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You have no business associating yourself with decent people.
& that's his true curse.
Susan
Your true curse is believing you're jewish when the evidence to the
contrary is overwhelming.
See what I mean about them lying uncontrollably?
When are you going to stop lying about being jewish and learn what
killfiles are for?
When are YOU going to learn anything?
I don't NEED to learn anything from the likes of you, sunshine.
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Hitler,like "Jesus" were both Jews... only your "hero"(Hitler) was more
mad in the head, and shorter.
Who's your hero? Ariel Sharon?
Post by Bruce Foxton
You are VERY short in statute and in mind... like your butt buddy Hitler.
You are a retard.
Post by Bruce Foxton
Why do you hate "jews" and blacks, when your "leaders" are Jewish, and
you are ORIGINALY from Africa?
Eli?
Answer if you can.
My leaders aren't jewish and I'm not from Africa.
Now go fuck yourself. Thank you.

Eli
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2008-05-20 05:09:41 UTC
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I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself. Pathetic.
Because he can't & he knows he can't.
The Rev Pedo is entirely indefensible.
Susan
Now that you and schvartze Chrissie Morton have found each other, why
don't you take your disgusting inter-racial tryst off Usenet and leave
us decent people alone?
Translation: the pathetic cowardly loser can't even make up his own insults.
...And you can I suppose?
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Post by Michael Ejercito
You have no business associating yourself with decent people.
& that's his true curse.
Susan
Your curse is what you stuff up your arse every Friday night.
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2008-05-20 05:14:36 UTC
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Your curse is what you stuff up your arse every Friday night.
Why are you so angry? Is it because you're inferior?
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Your curse is what you stuff up your arse every Friday night.
Why are you so angry? Is it because you're inferior?
He certainly projects (as he does above), because he hates himself & can't
deal w/it.

Susan
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2008-05-20 21:44:07 UTC
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Your curse is what you stuff up your arse every Friday night.
Why are you so angry? Is it because you're inferior?
He certainly projects (as he does above), because he hates himself & can't
deal w/it.
Susan
Where would you be w/out Gary's dick up your fat Irish ass every
Friday?

El
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2008-05-21 00:06:22 UTC
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Your curse is what you stuff up your arse every Friday night.
Why are you so angry? Is it because you're inferior?
He certainly projects (as he does above), because he hates himself & can't
deal w/it.
Susan
Where would you be w/out Gary's dick up your fat Irish ass every
Friday?
El
Jealous?


Michael
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Your curse is what you stuff up your arse every Friday night.
Why are you so angry? Is it because you're inferior?
He certainly projects (as he does above), because he hates himself & can't
deal w/it.
Susan
Where would you be w/out Gary's dick up your fat Irish ass every
Friday?
El
Jealous?
Suzy would be jealous? Probably.

Eli
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I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself. Pathetic.
Because he can't & he knows he can't.
The Rev Pedo is entirely indefensible.
Susan
Now that you and schvartze Chrissie Morton have found each other, why
don't you take your disgusting inter-racial tryst off Usenet and leave
us decent people alone?
Translation: the pathetic cowardly loser can't even make up his own insults.
...And you can I suppose?
She got "Rev Pedo" from spic Ejaculito, for fuck's sake!

Eli
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2008-05-20 15:34:43 UTC
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Post by Eli Grubman
I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself. Pathetic.
Because he can't & he knows he can't.
The Rev Pedo is entirely indefensible.
Susan
Now that you and schvartze Chrissie Morton have found each other, why
don't you take your disgusting inter-racial tryst off Usenet and leave
us decent people alone?
Translation: the pathetic cowardly loser can't even make up his own insults.
...And you can I suppose?
She got "Rev Pedo" from spic Ejaculito, for fuck's sake!
Eli
And you get all of your ideas from Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf".


Michael
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Post by Eli Grubman
I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about
superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself. Pathetic.
Because he can't & he knows he can't.
The Rev Pedo is entirely indefensible.
Susan
Now that you and schvartze Chrissie Morton have found each other, why
don't you take your disgusting inter-racial tryst off Usenet and leave
us decent people alone?
Translation: the pathetic cowardly loser can't even make up his own insults.
...And you can I suppose?
She got "Rev Pedo" from spic Ejaculito, for fuck's sake!
Eli
And you get all of your ideas from Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf".
You haven't even got any ideas.

Eli
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2008-05-20 17:23:47 UTC
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Post by Eli Grubman
I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about
superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself. Pathetic.
Because he can't & he knows he can't.
The Rev Pedo is entirely indefensible.
Susan
Now that you and schvartze Chrissie Morton have found each other, why
don't you take your disgusting inter-racial tryst off Usenet and leave
us decent people alone?
Translation: the pathetic cowardly loser can't even make up his own insults.
...And you can I suppose?
She got "Rev Pedo" from spic Ejaculito, for fuck's sake!
Eli
And you get all of your ideas from Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf".
You haven't even got any ideas.
Eli
Ejaculito is a bit out of his element. To come to a battle of wits unarmed,
is he is, is not the wisest thing to do.

:-))
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2008-05-20 17:58:24 UTC
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I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about
superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself. Pathetic.
Because he can't & he knows he can't.
The Rev Pedo is entirely indefensible.
Susan
Now that you and schvartze Chrissie Morton have found each other, why
don't you take your disgusting inter-racial tryst off Usenet and leave
us decent people alone?
Translation: the pathetic cowardly loser can't even make up his own insults.
...And you can I suppose?
She got "Rev Pedo" from spic Ejaculito, for fuck's sake!
Eli
And you get all of your ideas from Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf".
You haven't even got any ideas.
Eli
Ejaculito is a bit out of his element. To come to a battle of wits unarmed,
is he is, is not the wisest thing to do.
And yet, "Eli" does that every day.


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2008-05-20 21:05:22 UTC
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Ejaculito is a bit out of his element. To come to a battle of wits unarmed,
is he is, is not the wisest thing to do.
And yet, "Eli" does that every day.
So does his suck puppet, to whom you addressed that :-)

Susan
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2008-05-20 21:45:56 UTC
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Ejaculito is a bit out of his element. To come to a battle of wits unarmed,
is he is, is not the wisest thing to do.
And yet, "Eli" does that every day.
So does his suck puppet, to whom you addressed that :-)
Susan
Now that you and spic Ejaculito have found each other, why don't you
take your disgusting inter-racial tryst off Usenet and leave us decent
people alone?

Eli
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2008-05-20 22:44:04 UTC
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Ejaculito is a bit out of his element. To come to a battle of wits unarmed,
is he is, is not the wisest thing to do.
And yet, "Eli" does that every day.
So does his suck puppet, to whom you addressed that :-)
Susan
Now that you and spic Ejaculito have found each other, why don't you
take your disgusting inter-racial tryst off Usenet and leave us decent
people alone?
Eli
Hear, hear!
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2008-05-20 22:48:01 UTC
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Ejaculito is a bit out of his element. To come to a battle of wits unarmed,
is he is, is not the wisest thing to do.
And yet, "Eli" does that every day.
So does his suck puppet, to whom you addressed that :-)
Susan
Squawk, squawk, squawk, Suzy want a cracker, awk, awk... Suzy takes it in
her arse!
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2008-05-20 21:44:50 UTC
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I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about
superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself. Pathetic.
Because he can't & he knows he can't.
The Rev Pedo is entirely indefensible.
Susan
Now that you and schvartze Chrissie Morton have found each other, why
don't you take your disgusting inter-racial tryst off Usenet and
leave
us decent people alone?
Translation: the pathetic cowardly loser can't even make up his own
insults.
...And you can I suppose?
She got "Rev Pedo" from spic Ejaculito, for fuck's sake!
Eli
And you get all of your ideas from Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf".
You haven't even got any ideas.
Eli
Ejaculito is a bit out of his element. To come to a battle of wits unarmed,
is he is, is not the wisest thing to do.
And yet, "Eli" does that every day.
And yet you get outwitted every time, spic Ejaculito.

Eli
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2008-05-21 00:06:43 UTC
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I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about
superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself. Pathetic.
Because he can't & he knows he can't.
The Rev Pedo is entirely indefensible.
Susan
Now that you and schvartze Chrissie Morton have found each other,
why
don't you take your disgusting inter-racial tryst off Usenet and
leave
us decent people alone?
Translation: the pathetic cowardly loser can't even make up his own
insults.
...And you can I suppose?
She got "Rev Pedo" from spic Ejaculito, for fuck's sake!
Eli
And you get all of your ideas from Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf".
You haven't even got any ideas.
Eli
Ejaculito is a bit out of his element. To come to a battle of wits unarmed,
is he is, is not the wisest thing to do.
And yet, "Eli" does that every day.
And yet you get outwitted every time, spic Ejaculito.
Eli
By whom?

Certainly not by you.


Michael
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2008-05-21 06:26:29 UTC
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I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about
superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself. Pathetic.
Because he can't & he knows he can't.
The Rev Pedo is entirely indefensible.
Susan
Now that you and schvartze Chrissie Morton have found each other,
why
don't you take your disgusting inter-racial tryst off Usenet and
leave
us decent people alone?
Translation: the pathetic cowardly loser can't even make up his own
insults.
...And you can I suppose?
She got "Rev Pedo" from spic Ejaculito, for fuck's sake!
Eli
And you get all of your ideas from Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf".
You haven't even got any ideas.
Eli
Ejaculito is a bit out of his element. To come to a battle of wits unarmed,
is he is, is not the wisest thing to do.
And yet, "Eli" does that every day.
And yet you get outwitted every time, spic Ejaculito.
Eli
By whom?
By me.
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Certainly not by you.
Certainly by me.

Eli

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2008-05-20 19:12:41 UTC
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I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about
superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself. Pathetic.
Because he can't & he knows he can't.
The Rev Pedo is entirely indefensible.
Susan
Now that you and schvartze Chrissie Morton have found each other, why
don't you take your disgusting inter-racial tryst off Usenet and leave
us decent people alone?
Translation: the pathetic cowardly loser can't even make up his own insults.
...And you can I suppose?
She got "Rev Pedo" from spic Ejaculito, for fuck's sake!
Eli
And you get all of your ideas from Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf".
You haven't even got any ideas.
Eli
Ejaculito is a bit out of his element. To come to a battle of wits unarmed,
is he is, is not the wisest thing to do.
:-))
He has the full support of Suzy Cohen and Chrissie Morton, though!

Eli
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2008-05-20 19:22:58 UTC
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He has the full support of Suzy Cohen and Chrissie Morton, though!
You have the full support of Roy Radow and Frank Collin.
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2008-05-20 21:46:45 UTC
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He has the full support of Suzy Cohen and Chrissie Morton, though!
You have the full support of Roy Radow and Frank Collin.
Yo Chrissie!

Whassup, nigga!

Who dem be, boy?

Eli
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2008-05-20 20:11:30 UTC
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I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about
superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself. Pathetic.
Because he can't & he knows he can't.
The Rev Pedo is entirely indefensible.
Susan
Now that you and schvartze Chrissie Morton have found each other, why
don't you take your disgusting inter-racial tryst off Usenet and
leave
us decent people alone?
Translation: the pathetic cowardly loser can't even make up his own
insults.
...And you can I suppose?
She got "Rev Pedo" from spic Ejaculito, for fuck's sake!
Eli
And you get all of your ideas from Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf".
You haven't even got any ideas.
Eli
Ejaculito is a bit out of his element. To come to a battle of wits unarmed,
is he is, is not the wisest thing to do.
:-))
He has the full support of Suzy Cohen and Chrissie Morton, though!
Eli
And who supports you?


Michael
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2008-05-20 20:51:00 UTC
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I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about
superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself. Pathetic.
Because he can't & he knows he can't.
The Rev Pedo is entirely indefensible.
Susan
Now that you and schvartze Chrissie Morton have found each other, why
don't you take your disgusting inter-racial tryst off Usenet and leave
us decent people alone?
Translation: the pathetic cowardly loser can't even make up his own insults.
...And you can I suppose?
She got "Rev Pedo" from spic Ejaculito, for fuck's sake!
Eli
And you get all of your ideas from Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf".
You haven't even got any ideas.
Eli
Ejaculito is a bit out of his element. To come to a battle of wits unarmed,
is he is, is not the wisest thing to do.
:-))
He has the full support of Suzy Cohen and Chrissie Morton, though!
Eli
And who supports you?
His Mother, and the drugged mule from Mexico that plooked her for 11
Peso's and a bucket of oats at a bar, don't.
( I heard the mule(his father) was upset... but gave a nice splooge shot
regardless.)


Eli FORGOT that his Hero (Adolf Hitler) was a retarded person of Jewish
desent.
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2008-05-20 21:49:30 UTC
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I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about
superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself. Pathetic.
Because he can't & he knows he can't.
The Rev Pedo is entirely indefensible.
Susan
Now that you and schvartze Chrissie Morton have found each other, why
don't you take your disgusting inter-racial tryst off Usenet and leave
us decent people alone?
Translation: the pathetic cowardly loser can't even make up his own insults.
...And you can I suppose?
She got "Rev Pedo" from spic Ejaculito, for fuck's sake!
Eli
And you get all of your ideas from Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf".
You haven't even got any ideas.
Eli
Ejaculito is a bit out of his element. To come to a battle of wits unarmed,
is he is, is not the wisest thing to do.
:-))
He has the full support of Suzy Cohen and Chrissie Morton, though!
Eli
And who supports you?
His Mother, and the drugged mule from Mexico that plooked her for 11
Peso's (sic) and a bucket of oats at a bar, don't.
( I heard the mule(his father) was upset... but gave a nice splooge shot
regardless.)
Just say NO to drugs, asshole.
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Eli FORGOT that his Hero (Adolf Hitler) was a retarded person of Jewish
desent (sic).
You forgot how to spell, you illiterate one-toothed redneck retard.

Eli
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2008-05-21 05:47:18 UTC
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I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about
superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself.  Pathetic.
Because he can't & he knows he can't.
The Rev Pedo is entirely indefensible.
Susan
Now that you and schvartze Chrissie Morton have found each other, why
don't you take your disgusting inter-racial tryst off Usenet and leave
us decent people alone?
Translation: the pathetic cowardly loser can't even make up his own
insults.
...And you can I suppose?
She got "Rev Pedo" from spic Ejaculito, for fuck's sake!
Eli
 And you get all of your ideas from Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf".
You haven't even got any ideas.
Eli
Ejaculito is a bit out of his element. To come to a battle of wits unarmed,
is he is, is not the wisest thing to do.
:-))
He has the full support of Suzy Cohen and Chrissie Morton, though!
Eli
   And who supports you?
His Mother, and the drugged mule from Mexico that plooked her for 11
Peso's and a bucket of oats at a bar, don't.
( I heard the mule(his father) was upset... but gave a nice splooge shot
regardless.)
Eli FORGOT that his Hero (Adolf Hitler) was a retarded person of Jewish
desent.
If you are going to post in jew groups, do try and improve your
spelling and punctuation. At the moment
you come across as a moron with an IQ in single digits and all these
"clever" jews will laugh at you.

What is "plooked"? What is "desent"? You are also
obsessed with sex and sex between animals and humans.
As for Hitler being jewish, he was not. Where did you get*that* daft
idea? His grandmother was employed as
a servant in some jew household (nothing unusual there since the jew
never has learned how to clean their own houses) His grandmother
became pregnant. She
gave birth to a son. She never said that any jew was the father of her
child and it's only idiots who
say so. That child was Hitler's father, a Christian.

You are a brick short of a load.






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I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about
superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself. Pathetic.
Because he can't & he knows he can't.
The Rev Pedo is entirely indefensible.
Susan
Now that you and schvartze Chrissie Morton have found each other,
why
don't you take your disgusting inter-racial tryst off Usenet and
leave
us decent people alone?
Translation: the pathetic cowardly loser can't even make up his own
insults.
...And you can I suppose?
She got "Rev Pedo" from spic Ejaculito, for fuck's sake!
Eli
And you get all of your ideas from Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf".
You haven't even got any ideas.
Eli
Ejaculito is a bit out of his element. To come to a battle of wits unarmed,
is he is, is not the wisest thing to do.
:-))
He has the full support of Suzy Cohen and Chrissie Morton, though!
Eli
And who supports you?
Everybody else.

Eli
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2008-05-20 19:25:02 UTC
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You're unequipped to say.
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You haven't even got any ideas.
You're unequipped to say.
Yo Chrissie!

Whassup boy!

Y'all still tryin' to grow that brain cell?

Eli
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2008-05-20 23:18:56 UTC
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You haven't even got any ideas.
You're unequipped to say.
Yo Chrissie!
Whassup boy!
Y'all still tryin' to grow that brain cell?
Eli
"Chris Sploogy" is out of Kansas, pretty close to from where Doodoo sends
his posts... Hmmmmm...
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You haven't even got any ideas.
You're unequipped to say.
Did your mommy make you play with her "splooged" drenched knickers, after
the local street-gang got finished doing her train-pulling thing?

...or is that simply how you were conceived out of wedlock???
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2008-05-20 23:25:45 UTC
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You're unequipped to say.
Did your mommy make you play with her "splooged" drenched knickers, after
the local street-gang got finished doing her train-pulling thing?
...or is that simply how you were conceived out of wedlock???
I just love it when nils fight with each other
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I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself. Pathetic.
Because he can't & he knows he can't.
The Rev Pedo is entirely indefensible.
Susan
Now that you and schvartze Chrissie Morton have found each other, why
don't you take your disgusting inter-racial tryst off Usenet and leave
us decent people alone?
Eli
You have no business associating yourself with decent people.
You have no busines associating yourself with anyone except other
spics.

Eli
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2008-05-21 05:11:22 UTC
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"Eli" won't even defend himself.  Pathetic.
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210lb. rapists.
The Pink Swastika documents homosexuality in the Nazi Party.

http://www.abidingtruth.com/pfrc/books/pinkswastika/html/the_pinkswastika_4th_edition_-_final.htm
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2008-05-21 07:43:20 UTC
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I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about superiority.
"Eli" won't even defend himself. Pathetic.
--
Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women have the "right" to fistfight with
210lb. rapists.
The Pink Swastika documents homosexuality in the Nazi Party.
http://www.abidingtruth.com/pfrc/books/pinkswastika/html/the_pinkswastika_4th_edition_-_final.htm
Please don't adverise your Sexual perversions here. ;-p
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"Eli" won't even defend himself.  Pathetic.
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210lb. rapists.
The Pink Swastika documents homosexuality in the Nazi Party.
http://www.abidingtruth.com/pfrc/books/pinkswastika/html/the_pinkswas...
You're a jew and if I were a jew, I'd be careful calling others
queers.
It wasn't that long ago that jews were dropping like flies frm AIDS.
The majority of homo organisations in the U.S. are
headed and financed by jews. In fact Harvey Milk Day is almost
upon us.
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2008-05-19 14:55:45 UTC
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Jews for Jews, is more like it!
Nazis for pedophilia, is more like it!
Spics for Food Stamps is much more like it!
Eli
AGAIN you come into defense of Nazis.
I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about superiority.
Eli
Why is it that you do not like your ideas of racial superiority
applied to you?


Michael
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2008-05-19 15:22:49 UTC
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Jews for Jews, is more like it!
Nazis for pedophilia, is more like it!
Spics for Food Stamps is much more like it!
Eli
AGAIN you come into defense of Nazis.
I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about superiority.
Eli
Why is it that you do not like your ideas of racial superiority
applied to you?
Why is it that you don't realise "Racial Superiority" is something
only Nazis talk about, spic Ejaculito?

Eli
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2008-05-19 17:07:36 UTC
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Post by Eli Grubman
On Sun, 18 May 2008 13:01:24 -0700 (PDT), Michael Ejercito
Post by Michael Ejercito
Post by Eli Grubman
On Sun, 18 May 2008 10:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Michael Ejercito
Post by Michael Ejercito
Post by ElParedon
Jews for Jews, is more like it!
Nazis for pedophilia, is more like it!
Spics for Food Stamps is much more like it!
Eli
AGAIN you come into defense of Nazis.
I won't defend Nazis like you who constantly babble about superiority.
I think this is his most projectionary post so far.
Post by Michael Ejercito
Post by Eli Grubman
Eli
Why is it that you do not like your ideas of racial superiority
applied to you?
Oooo, I bet that's a rhetorical question!

Susan
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Michael
Chris Morton
2008-05-19 14:24:41 UTC
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On Sun, 18 May 2008 10:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Michael Ejercito
Post by Michael Ejercito
Post by ElParedon
Jews for Jews, is more like it!
Nazis for pedophilia, is more like it!
Spics for Food Stamps is much more like it!
What do you belong to, Nazis for Meth and Kiddie Porn?
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210lb. rapists.
Eli Grubman
2008-05-19 15:24:12 UTC
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Post by Eli Grubman
On Sun, 18 May 2008 10:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Michael Ejercito
Post by Michael Ejercito
Post by ElParedon
Jews for Jews, is more like it!
Nazis for pedophilia, is more like it!
Spics for Food Stamps is much more like it!
What do you belong to, Nazis for Meth and Kiddie Porn?
Yo Chrissie!

Whassup, midnight!

What do you belong to, nigras for watermelon and fried chicken?

Eli
Mirelle
2008-05-18 04:15:44 UTC
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On May 15, 8:07 pm, "Tilly" <***@gmail.com> wrote:
The only things you believe in are israel and sodomy.
Why are you screeching about what others believe?
You only believe in perversions, Zio-Bat/fag-hag/Tilly.
Oh, and the other thing you believe in is your narcissism ( you see it
as 'self esteem').


Mirelle
Post by Tilly
FACT: J4J's are Baptists, the majority of whom are not Jewish.
The few that are have converted to Christianity and as such are apostate
Jews.
Jews for Jesus" is a primarily Baptist missionary group whose sole focus is
converting Jews to Christianity. They are not a part of the Messianic
movement .
In 1997, the Conservative Baptist Association named Moishe Roisin (who
started J4J's) "Hero of the Faith."
Roisin added the Jewish flavour to J4J's ,including using some Yiddish and
Hebrew in some of their literature when he started the movement ,with the
expressed objective of converting as many Jews to Christianity as possible.
Other than that their doctrinal statement is basically indistinguishable
from Evangelical and other conservative Christian groups. ... They differ
from some Evangelical Christian groups in their belief that Israel continues
to exist as a "covenant people."
Jews for Jesus is a Christian evangelistic organization that focuses
specifically on the conversion of Jews to Christianity. Viewing its
followers - either Jewish as defined by Jewish law, or Jews according to
Jews for Jesus - as "living out their Jewishness,"Jews for Jesus defines
"Jewish" in terms of parentage and as a birthright, regardless of religious
belief. Identification of Jews for Jesus as a Jewish organization is
overwhelmingly rejected by Jewish religious denominationsand secular groups
due to the Christian - specifically evangelical - beliefs of its members.
The group's evangelism related activities are opposed also by some Christian
organizations and scholars
Jews for Jesus is based in San Francisco, California at a Baptist Church.
Jews for Jesus official mission statement is "to make the Messiahship of
Jesus an unavoidable issue to our Jewish people worldwide." They say that
belief in Jesus as Messiah is a fulfillment of the prophecies of Hebrew
scripture. Through media advertisements, production and distribution of
literature, producing music and organizing person-to-person evangelism, the
organization asserts that "a specifically Jewish mission" is necessary,
saying "Jewish people tend to dismiss evangelistic methods and materials
that are couched in Christian lingo, because they reinforce the assumption
that Jesus is for 'them' not 'us.'"
Jews for Jesus promotes awareness of the Jewish heritage of the Christian
faith. Their website contains brief descriptions of Jewish festivals and
also runs programs explaining the significance of Passover, Sukkot and
Hanukkah, explaining messianic elements and how they believe these festivals
are related to Jesus."Evangelists in the organization have been trained to
recite phrases from the Old Testament and to use Yiddish words so as to
convince potential converts that Jews for Jesus maintain Jewish traditions."
The organization was founded under the name Hineni Ministries in 1973 by
Moishe Rosen, an ordained Baptist minister.
Moishe Rosen (born 12 April 1932 as Martin Meyer Rosen) His given Hebrew
name was Moshe or Moses and Moishe is the vernacular Yiddish. His parents
were Ben Rosen and Rose Baker. He is the founder and former Executive
Director of Jews for Jesus, an evangelical Christian missionary organization
working to proclaim and promote the message of Christ amongst the Jewish
People. Rosen was raised in Denver, Colorado. According to Rosen his
mother's parents were "Reform Jews from Austria", his paternal grandfather
was Orthodox, and although Rosen's father regularly attended an Orthodox
synagogue he was "not religious" and viewed religion as a "racket".
Rosen married Ceil Starr on 18 August 1950; and they became Christians in
1953. After graduating Northeastern Bible College, Rosen made a commitment
to be a missionary to Jews from 1956. He was ordained as a Conservative
Baptist minister in 1957. He felt a need for a more visible kind of
evangelism and developed new techniques of communication which culminated in
what became known as The Jews for Jesus movement in 1969. In 1973 Rosen left
the employment of the American Board of Missions to the Jews (now called
Chosen People Ministries) to incorporate a separate mission which became
known as Jews for Jesus ministries. In 1986 he received a Doctor of Divinity
Degree from Western Conservative Baptist Seminary in Portland. He stepped
down from his position as Executive Director in 1996, but continues to be
employed as a staff missionary and remains one of fifteen board members.
In 1997 the Conservative Baptist Union named him "Hero of the Faith."
The troubling issue about "Jews for Jesus" is their insistence that they are
"Jews" without qualification and that they can somehow be both Jews and
fundamentalist Christians simultaneously.
They believe they have the right to define Jewish identity .LOL.
However, this is really rather self-referentially incoherent. Can a Baptist
accept Buddhism and then become a "Baptist for Buddha," or can a Mormon
embrace Islam and be a "Mormon for Mohammed"?
--
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2008-05-18 04:34:47 UTC
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Post by Mirelle
The only things you believe in are israel and sodomy.
Why are you screeching about what others believe?
You only believe in perversions, Zio-Bat/fag-hag/Tilly.
Oh, and the other thing you believe in is your narcissism ( you see it
as 'self esteem').
She needs to be sodomised regularly even more than convert Cohen does.

Eli
Post by Mirelle
Mirelle
Post by Tilly
FACT: J4J's are Baptists, the majority of whom are not Jewish.
The few that are have converted to Christianity and as such are apostate
Jews.
Jews for Jesus" is a primarily Baptist missionary group whose sole focus is
converting Jews to Christianity. They are not a part of the Messianic
movement .
In 1997, the Conservative Baptist Association named Moishe Roisin (who
started J4J's) "Hero of the Faith."
Roisin added the Jewish flavour to J4J's ,including using some Yiddish and
Hebrew in some of their literature when he started the movement ,with the
expressed objective of converting as many Jews to Christianity as possible.
Other than that their doctrinal statement is basically indistinguishable
from Evangelical and other conservative Christian groups. ... They differ
from some Evangelical Christian groups in their belief that Israel continues
to exist as a "covenant people."
Jews for Jesus is a Christian evangelistic organization that focuses
specifically on the conversion of Jews to Christianity. Viewing its
followers - either Jewish as defined by Jewish law, or Jews according to
Jews for Jesus - as "living out their Jewishness,"Jews for Jesus defines
"Jewish" in terms of parentage and as a birthright, regardless of religious
belief. Identification of Jews for Jesus as a Jewish organization is
overwhelmingly rejected by Jewish religious denominationsand secular groups
due to the Christian - specifically evangelical - beliefs of its members.
The group's evangelism related activities are opposed also by some Christian
organizations and scholars
Jews for Jesus is based in San Francisco, California at a Baptist Church.
Jews for Jesus official mission statement is "to make the Messiahship of
Jesus an unavoidable issue to our Jewish people worldwide." They say that
belief in Jesus as Messiah is a fulfillment of the prophecies of Hebrew
scripture. Through media advertisements, production and distribution of
literature, producing music and organizing person-to-person evangelism, the
organization asserts that "a specifically Jewish mission" is necessary,
saying "Jewish people tend to dismiss evangelistic methods and materials
that are couched in Christian lingo, because they reinforce the assumption
that Jesus is for 'them' not 'us.'"
Jews for Jesus promotes awareness of the Jewish heritage of the Christian
faith. Their website contains brief descriptions of Jewish festivals and
also runs programs explaining the significance of Passover, Sukkot and
Hanukkah, explaining messianic elements and how they believe these festivals
are related to Jesus."Evangelists in the organization have been trained to
recite phrases from the Old Testament and to use Yiddish words so as to
convince potential converts that Jews for Jesus maintain Jewish traditions."
The organization was founded under the name Hineni Ministries in 1973 by
Moishe Rosen, an ordained Baptist minister.
Moishe Rosen (born 12 April 1932 as Martin Meyer Rosen) His given Hebrew
name was Moshe or Moses and Moishe is the vernacular Yiddish. His parents
were Ben Rosen and Rose Baker. He is the founder and former Executive
Director of Jews for Jesus, an evangelical Christian missionary organization
working to proclaim and promote the message of Christ amongst the Jewish
People. Rosen was raised in Denver, Colorado. According to Rosen his
mother's parents were "Reform Jews from Austria", his paternal grandfather
was Orthodox, and although Rosen's father regularly attended an Orthodox
synagogue he was "not religious" and viewed religion as a "racket".
Rosen married Ceil Starr on 18 August 1950; and they became Christians in
1953. After graduating Northeastern Bible College, Rosen made a commitment
to be a missionary to Jews from 1956. He was ordained as a Conservative
Baptist minister in 1957. He felt a need for a more visible kind of
evangelism and developed new techniques of communication which culminated in
what became known as The Jews for Jesus movement in 1969. In 1973 Rosen left
the employment of the American Board of Missions to the Jews (now called
Chosen People Ministries) to incorporate a separate mission which became
known as Jews for Jesus ministries. In 1986 he received a Doctor of Divinity
Degree from Western Conservative Baptist Seminary in Portland. He stepped
down from his position as Executive Director in 1996, but continues to be
employed as a staff missionary and remains one of fifteen board members.
In 1997 the Conservative Baptist Union named him "Hero of the Faith."
The troubling issue about "Jews for Jesus" is their insistence that they are
"Jews" without qualification and that they can somehow be both Jews and
fundamentalist Christians simultaneously.
They believe they have the right to define Jewish identity .LOL.
However, this is really rather self-referentially incoherent. Can a Baptist
accept Buddhism and then become a "Baptist for Buddha," or can a Mormon
embrace Islam and be a "Mormon for Mohammed"?
--
Mirelle
2008-05-18 04:40:11 UTC
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Post by Eli Grubman
On Sat, 17 May 2008 21:15:44 -0700 (PDT), Mirelle
Post by Mirelle
The only things you believe in are israel and sodomy.
Why are you screeching about what others believe?
You only believe in perversions, Zio-Bat/fag-hag/Tilly.
Oh, and the other thing you believe in is your narcissism ( you see it
as 'self esteem').
She needs to be sodomized regularly even more than convert Cohen does.
Fag-hag/Tilly said the other day that she is into 'ass fisting' also.
She had 'recently discovered' it.
Post by Eli Grubman
Eli
Mirelle
Post by Eli Grubman
Post by Mirelle
Mirelle
Post by Tilly
FACT: J4J's are Baptists, the majority of whom are not Jewish.
The few that are have converted to Christianity and as such are apostate
Jews.
Jews for Jesus" is a primarily Baptist missionary group whose sole focus is
converting Jews to Christianity. They are not a part of the Messianic
movement .
In 1997, the Conservative Baptist Association named Moishe Roisin (who
started J4J's) "Hero of the Faith."
Roisin added the Jewish flavour to J4J's ,including using some Yiddish and
Hebrew in some of their literature when he started the movement ,with the
expressed objective of converting as many Jews to Christianity as possible.
Other than that their doctrinal statement is basically indistinguishable
from Evangelical and other conservative Christian groups. ... They differ
from some Evangelical Christian groups in their belief that Israel continues
to exist as a "covenant people."
Jews for Jesus is a Christian evangelistic organization that focuses
specifically on the conversion of Jews to Christianity. Viewing its
followers - either Jewish as defined by Jewish law, or Jews according to
Jews for Jesus - as "living out their Jewishness,"Jews for Jesus defines
"Jewish" in terms of parentage and as a birthright, regardless of religious
belief. Identification of Jews for Jesus as a Jewish organization is
overwhelmingly rejected by Jewish religious denominationsand secular groups
due to the Christian - specifically evangelical - beliefs of its members.
The group's evangelism related activities are opposed also by some Christian
organizations and scholars
Jews for Jesus is based in San Francisco, California at a Baptist Church.
Jews for Jesus official mission statement is "to make the Messiahship of
Jesus an unavoidable issue to our Jewish people worldwide." They say that
belief in Jesus as Messiah is a fulfillment of the prophecies of Hebrew
scripture. Through media advertisements, production and distribution of
literature, producing music and organizing person-to-person evangelism, the
organization asserts that "a specifically Jewish mission" is necessary,
saying "Jewish people tend to dismiss evangelistic methods and materials
that are couched in Christian lingo, because they reinforce the assumption
that Jesus is for 'them' not 'us.'"
Jews for Jesus promotes awareness of the Jewish heritage of the Christian
faith. Their website contains brief descriptions of Jewish festivals and
also runs programs explaining the significance of Passover, Sukkot and
Hanukkah, explaining messianic elements and how they believe these festivals
are related to Jesus."Evangelists in the organization have been trained to
recite phrases from the Old Testament and to use Yiddish words so as to
convince potential converts that Jews for Jesus maintain Jewish traditions."
The organization was founded under the name Hineni Ministries in 1973 by
Moishe Rosen, an ordained Baptist minister.
Moishe Rosen (born 12 April 1932 as Martin Meyer Rosen) His given Hebrew
name was Moshe or Moses and Moishe is the vernacular Yiddish. His parents
were Ben Rosen and Rose Baker. He is the founder and former Executive
Director of Jews for Jesus, an evangelical Christian missionary organization
working to proclaim and promote the message of Christ amongst the Jewish
People. Rosen was raised in Denver, Colorado. According to Rosen his
mother's parents were "Reform Jews from Austria", his paternal grandfather
was Orthodox, and although Rosen's father regularly attended an Orthodox
synagogue he was "not religious" and viewed religion as a "racket".
Rosen married Ceil Starr on 18 August 1950; and they became Christians in
1953. After graduating Northeastern Bible College, Rosen made a commitment
to be a missionary to Jews from 1956. He was ordained as a Conservative
Baptist minister in 1957. He felt a need for a more visible kind of
evangelism and developed new techniques of communication which culminated in
what became known as The Jews for Jesus movement in 1969. In 1973 Rosen left
the employment of the American Board of Missions to the Jews (now called
Chosen People Ministries) to incorporate a separate mission which became
known as Jews for Jesus ministries. In 1986 he received a Doctor of Divinity
Degree from Western Conservative Baptist Seminary in Portland. He stepped
down from his position as Executive Director in 1996, but continues to be
employed as a staff missionary and remains one of fifteen board members.
In 1997 the Conservative Baptist Union named him "Hero of the Faith."
The troubling issue about "Jews for Jesus" is their insistence that they are
"Jews" without qualification and that they can somehow be both Jews and
fundamentalist Christians simultaneously.
They believe they have the right to define Jewish identity .LOL.
However, this is really rather self-referentially incoherent. Can a Baptist
accept Buddhism and then become a "Baptist for Buddha," or can a Mormon
embrace Islam and be a "Mormon for Mohammed"?
--
Tilly
2008-05-18 05:26:48 UTC
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Mirelle wrote:
:: On May 17, 9:34 pm, Eli Grubman <***@googlemail.com> wrote:
::: On Sat, 17 May 2008 21:15:44 -0700 (PDT), Mirelle
::
::: <***@gmail.com> wrote:
:::: On May 15, 8:07 pm, "Tilly" <***@gmail.com> wrote:
:::: The only things you believe in are israel and sodomy.
:::: Why are you screeching about what others believe?
:::: You only believe in perversions, Zio-Bat/fag-hag/Tilly.
:::: Oh, and the other thing you believe in is your narcissism ( you
:::: see it as 'self esteem').
::
::: She needs to be sodomized regularly even more than convert Cohen
::: does.
::
:: Fag-hag/Tilly said the other day that she is into 'ass fisting' also.
:: She had 'recently discovered' it.
::
::: Eli
::
:: Mirelle




ROTFLMAO.

Mirelle is hallucinating again.
I said no such thing.
It's all in your head old girl.


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Mirelle
2008-05-18 18:59:27 UTC
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On May 17, 10:26 pm, "Tilly" <***@gmail.com> wrote:
Google archives are not your friend, fag-hag/Tilly.
It is all there, screech all you like that it ain't so, the archives
show it is so.

Mirelle
Post by Tilly
::: On Sat, 17 May 2008 21:15:44 -0700 (PDT), Mirelle
:::: The only things you believe in are israel and sodomy.
:::: Why are you screeching about what others believe?
:::: You only believe in perversions, Zio-Bat/fag-hag/Tilly.
:::: Oh, and the other thing you believe in is your narcissism ( you
:::: see it as 'self esteem').
::: She needs to be sodomized regularly even more than convert Cohen
::: does.
:: Fag-hag/Tilly said the other day that she is into 'ass fisting' also.
:: She had 'recently discovered' it.
::: Eli
:: Mirelle
ROTFLMAO.
Mirelle is hallucinating again.
I said no such thing.
It's all in your head old girl.
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2008-05-18 23:55:56 UTC
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Mirelle wrote:
:: On May 17, 10:26 pm, "Tilly" <***@gmail.com> wrote:
:: Google archives are not your friend, fag-hag/Tilly.
:: It is all there, screech all you like that it ain't so, the archives
:: show it is so.
::
:: Mirelle
::: Mirelle wrote:
:::
::::: On May 17, 9:34 pm, Eli Grubman <***@googlemail.com>
::::: wrote:
:::::: On Sat, 17 May 2008 21:15:44 -0700 (PDT), Mirelle
:::::::: <***@gmail.com> wrote:
:::
::::::: On May 15, 8:07 pm, "Tilly" <***@gmail.com> wrote:
::::::: The only things you believe in are israel and sodomy.
::::::: Why are you screeching about what others believe?
::::::: You only believe in perversions, Zio-Bat/fag-hag/Tilly.
::::::: Oh, and the other thing you believe in is your narcissism ( you
::::::: see it as 'self esteem').



You aren't convincing anyone Mirelle and the archives show no such thing
Mirelle.

Now I suggest you quote directly from the archives and provide links to the
quotes Mirelle.


Here's betting this turns you on Mirelle, yopu fanatsize about being
fisted, which is why you keep bringing the subjce of 'fisting' up and lying
about it..
People who have a fascination with the sex lives of other consenting adults
are inevitably dissatisfied with their own sex life.

Even if it were true Mirelle, please explain why you think you have the
moral highground, especially since you felt the need to tell the news groups
you
never wear panties,that you are an expert at giving blowjobs (complete with
an explicit description) and that you give lessons in the Art of Fellatio
which men can attend for free at Lake Slocum:

You are a voyeur Mirelle.


I on the other hand said I didn't even know what 'fisting' was until quite
recently. It's just another word for sticking fingers inside the vagina or
anus .
Now please tell us why you would object to consenting adults doing that in
private and why is it any of your business.

Waiting Mirelle.............



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Gilbert Roth Jr. III M.D.
2008-05-18 23:59:24 UTC
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Post by Tilly
:: Google archives are not your friend, fag-hag/Tilly.
:: It is all there, screech all you like that it ain't so, the archives
:: show it is so.
::::::: The only things you believe in are israel and sodomy.
::::::: Why are you screeching about what others believe?
::::::: You only believe in perversions, Zio-Bat/fag-hag/Tilly.
::::::: Oh, and the other thing you believe in is your narcissism ( you
::::::: see it as 'self esteem').
You aren't convincing anyone Mirelle and the archives show no such thing
Mirelle.
Now I suggest you quote directly from the archives and provide links to the
quotes Mirelle.
Here's betting this turns you on Mirelle,  yopu fanatsize about being
fisted, which is why you keep bringing the subjce of 'fisting' up and lying
about it..
People who have a fascination with the sex lives of other  consenting adults
are inevitably dissatisfied with their own sex life.
Even if it were true Mirelle, please explain why you think you have the
moral highground, especially since you felt the need to tell the news groups
you
never wear panties,that you are an expert at giving blowjobs (complete with
an explicit description) and that you give lessons in the Art of Fellatio
You are a voyeur Mirelle.
I on the other hand said I didn't even know what 'fisting' was until quite
recently. It's just another word for sticking fingers inside  the vagina or
anus .
Now please tell us why you would object to consenting adults doing that in
private  and why is it any of  your business.
Waiting Mirelle.............
--
It's pretty obvious to normal people especially parents that are clean
that sticking a finger in a person's asshole for enjoyment is a
perversion.
Tilly
2008-05-19 00:16:13 UTC
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Gilbert Roth Jr. III M.D. wrote:
<clippeed>

:
: It's pretty obvious to normal people especially parents that are clean
: that sticking a finger in a person's asshole for enjoyment is a
: perversion.

It's not something I would choose to do, but who is to say it's not OK for
consenting adults to do it in private if that's what floats their boat.
My real point is that it's no one elses business what consenting adults do
in private as long as no one gets hurt .

Mirelle is a voyeur and considers the sex lives of others (consenting adults
in private) to be her business, which it is not.
She has very strange morals,- Mirelle considers it everyones business that
she never wears panties and is a expert in the Art of Fellatio and gives
classes on such ,which men can attend fror free at Lake Slocum.? Yet she
also considers it to be her business what people do in their bedrooms.
It wouldn't surprise me if she had a telescope and binoculars which she uses
to pry into her neighbours' private lives.It's not uncommon for voyeurs
......


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Eli Grubman
2008-05-18 15:47:50 UTC
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On Sat, 17 May 2008 21:40:11 -0700 (PDT), Mirelle
Post by Mirelle
Post by Eli Grubman
On Sat, 17 May 2008 21:15:44 -0700 (PDT), Mirelle
Post by Mirelle
The only things you believe in are israel and sodomy.
Why are you screeching about what others believe?
You only believe in perversions, Zio-Bat/fag-hag/Tilly.
Oh, and the other thing you believe in is your narcissism ( you see it
as 'self esteem').
She needs to be sodomized regularly even more than convert Cohen does.
Fag-hag/Tilly said the other day that she is into 'ass fisting' also.
She had 'recently discovered' it.
About time too! One or two more years and she won't be able to
accommodate a fist!

Eli
Post by Mirelle
Post by Eli Grubman
Eli
Mirelle
Post by Eli Grubman
Post by Mirelle
Mirelle
Post by Tilly
FACT: J4J's are Baptists, the majority of whom are not Jewish.
The few that are have converted to Christianity and as such are apostate
Jews.
Jews for Jesus" is a primarily Baptist missionary group whose sole focus is
converting Jews to Christianity. They are not a part of the Messianic
movement .
In 1997, the Conservative Baptist Association named Moishe Roisin (who
started J4J's) "Hero of the Faith."
Roisin added the Jewish flavour to J4J's ,including using some Yiddish and
Hebrew in some of their literature when he started the movement ,with the
expressed objective of converting as many Jews to Christianity as possible.
Other than that their doctrinal statement is basically indistinguishable
from Evangelical and other conservative Christian groups. ... They differ
from some Evangelical Christian groups in their belief that Israel continues
to exist as a "covenant people."
Jews for Jesus is a Christian evangelistic organization that focuses
specifically on the conversion of Jews to Christianity. Viewing its
followers - either Jewish as defined by Jewish law, or Jews according to
Jews for Jesus - as "living out their Jewishness,"Jews for Jesus defines
"Jewish" in terms of parentage and as a birthright, regardless of religious
belief. Identification of Jews for Jesus as a Jewish organization is
overwhelmingly rejected by Jewish religious denominationsand secular groups
due to the Christian - specifically evangelical - beliefs of its members.
The group's evangelism related activities are opposed also by some Christian
organizations and scholars
Jews for Jesus is based in San Francisco, California at a Baptist Church.
Jews for Jesus official mission statement is "to make the Messiahship of
Jesus an unavoidable issue to our Jewish people worldwide." They say that
belief in Jesus as Messiah is a fulfillment of the prophecies of Hebrew
scripture. Through media advertisements, production and distribution of
literature, producing music and organizing person-to-person evangelism, the
organization asserts that "a specifically Jewish mission" is necessary,
saying "Jewish people tend to dismiss evangelistic methods and materials
that are couched in Christian lingo, because they reinforce the assumption
that Jesus is for 'them' not 'us.'"
Jews for Jesus promotes awareness of the Jewish heritage of the Christian
faith. Their website contains brief descriptions of Jewish festivals and
also runs programs explaining the significance of Passover, Sukkot and
Hanukkah, explaining messianic elements and how they believe these festivals
are related to Jesus."Evangelists in the organization have been trained to
recite phrases from the Old Testament and to use Yiddish words so as to
convince potential converts that Jews for Jesus maintain Jewish traditions."
The organization was founded under the name Hineni Ministries in 1973 by
Moishe Rosen, an ordained Baptist minister.
Moishe Rosen (born 12 April 1932 as Martin Meyer Rosen) His given Hebrew
name was Moshe or Moses and Moishe is the vernacular Yiddish. His parents
were Ben Rosen and Rose Baker. He is the founder and former Executive
Director of Jews for Jesus, an evangelical Christian missionary organization
working to proclaim and promote the message of Christ amongst the Jewish
People. Rosen was raised in Denver, Colorado. According to Rosen his
mother's parents were "Reform Jews from Austria", his paternal grandfather
was Orthodox, and although Rosen's father regularly attended an Orthodox
synagogue he was "not religious" and viewed religion as a "racket".
Rosen married Ceil Starr on 18 August 1950; and they became Christians in
1953. After graduating Northeastern Bible College, Rosen made a commitment
to be a missionary to Jews from 1956. He was ordained as a Conservative
Baptist minister in 1957. He felt a need for a more visible kind of
evangelism and developed new techniques of communication which culminated in
what became known as The Jews for Jesus movement in 1969. In 1973 Rosen left
the employment of the American Board of Missions to the Jews (now called
Chosen People Ministries) to incorporate a separate mission which became
known as Jews for Jesus ministries. In 1986 he received a Doctor of Divinity
Degree from Western Conservative Baptist Seminary in Portland. He stepped
down from his position as Executive Director in 1996, but continues to be
employed as a staff missionary and remains one of fifteen board members.
In 1997 the Conservative Baptist Union named him "Hero of the Faith."
The troubling issue about "Jews for Jesus" is their insistence that they are
"Jews" without qualification and that they can somehow be both Jews and
fundamentalist Christians simultaneously.
They believe they have the right to define Jewish identity .LOL.
However, this is really rather self-referentially incoherent. Can a Baptist
accept Buddhism and then become a "Baptist for Buddha," or can a Mormon
embrace Islam and be a "Mormon for Mohammed"?
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2008-05-19 00:35:24 UTC
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Mirelle wrote:
:: On May 17, 9:34 pm, Eli Grubman <***@googlemail.com> wrote:
::: On Sat, 17 May 2008 21:15:44 -0700 (PDT), Mirelle
::
::: <***@gmail.com> wrote:
:::: On May 15, 8:07 pm, "Tilly" <***@gmail.com> wrote:
:::: The only things you believe in are israel and sodomy.
:::: Why are you screeching about what others believe?
:::: You only believe in perversions, Zio-Bat/fag-hag/Tilly.
:::: Oh, and the other thing you believe in is your narcissism ( you
:::: see it as 'self esteem').
::
::: She needs to be sodomized regularly even more than convert Cohen
::: does.
::
:: Fag-hag/Tilly said the other day that she is into 'ass fisting' also.
:: She had 'recently discovered' it.
::



::
:: Mirelle




The above is a blatant lie and Mirelle knows it, but then Mirelle lies about
everyt5hing, including how many visits she has had from TCMP Corp Bowden and
what they were about.

I said no such thing.
Mirelle is just posting this in an attempt to provoke me.

I will say this once again:

I am not into anal sex, or anal fisting , but if other consenting adults in
private enjoy it, that is their business.
It is not Mirelle's business .

Why do you think it is your business Mirelle.

Personally I believe women who tell people in news groups they never wear
panties and are experts in the art of felatio who give free lessons to men
at Lake Slcum ,are attention seekers with no class.Some might even label you
a slut.



***@REMOVE.gmail.com
Ray Fischer
2008-05-18 17:20:58 UTC
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On Sat, 17 May 2008 21:15:44 -0700 (PDT), Mirelle
Post by Mirelle
The only things you believe in are israel and sodomy.
Why are you screeching about what others believe?
You only believe in perversions, Zio-Bat/fag-hag/Tilly.
Oh, and the other thing you believe in is your narcissism ( you see it
as 'self esteem').
She needs to be sodomised regularly even more than convert Cohen does.
What a good little misogynist nazi you are.
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Ray Fischer
***@sonic.net
Eli Grubman
2008-05-18 18:10:05 UTC
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Post by Eli Grubman
On Sat, 17 May 2008 21:15:44 -0700 (PDT), Mirelle
Post by Mirelle
The only things you believe in are israel and sodomy.
Why are you screeching about what others believe?
You only believe in perversions, Zio-Bat/fag-hag/Tilly.
Oh, and the other thing you believe in is your narcissism ( you see it
as 'self esteem').
She needs to be sodomised regularly even more than convert Cohen does.
What a good little misogynist nazi you are.
What a good little Nazi abortionist you are, Fischbaum.

Eli
NefeshBarYohai
2008-05-18 04:42:43 UTC
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The only things you believe in are israel and sodomy.
Why are you screeching about what others believe?
You only believe in perversions, Zio-Bat/fag-hag/Tilly.
Oh, and the other thing you believe in is your narcissism ( you see it
as 'self esteem').
Mirelle
FACT: J4J's  are Baptists, the majority of whom are not Jewish.
The few that are have converted to Christianity and as such are apostate
Jews.
Jews for Jesus" is a primarily Baptist missionary group whose sole focus is
converting Jews to Christianity. They are not a part of the Messianic
movement .
In 1997, the Conservative Baptist Association named Moishe Roisin   (who
started J4J's) "Hero of the Faith."
Roisin added the Jewish flavour to J4J's ,including using some Yiddish and
Hebrew in some of their literature when he started the movement ,with the
expressed objective of converting as many Jews to Christianity as possible.
Other than that their doctrinal statement is basically indistinguishable
from Evangelical and other conservative Christian groups. ... They differ
from some Evangelical Christian groups in their belief that Israel continues
to exist as a "covenant people."
Jews for Jesus is a Christian evangelistic organization that focuses
specifically on the conversion of Jews to Christianity. Viewing its
followers - either Jewish as defined by Jewish law, or Jews according to
Jews for Jesus - as "living out their Jewishness,"Jews for Jesus defines
"Jewish" in terms of parentage and as a birthright, regardless of religious
belief. Identification of Jews for Jesus as a Jewish organization is
overwhelmingly rejected by Jewish religious denominationsand secular groups
due to the Christian - specifically evangelical - beliefs of its members.
The group's evangelism related activities are opposed also by some Christian
organizations and scholars
Jews for Jesus is based in San Francisco, California at a Baptist Church.
Jews for Jesus official mission statement is "to make the Messiahship of
Jesus an unavoidable issue to our Jewish people worldwide." They say that
belief in Jesus as Messiah is a fulfillment of the prophecies of Hebrew
scripture. Through media advertisements, production and distribution of
literature, producing music and organizing person-to-person evangelism, the
organization asserts that "a specifically Jewish mission" is necessary,
saying "Jewish people tend to dismiss evangelistic methods and materials
that are couched in Christian lingo, because they reinforce the assumption
that Jesus is for 'them' not 'us.'"
Jews for Jesus promotes awareness of the Jewish heritage of the Christian
faith. Their website contains brief descriptions of Jewish festivals and
also runs programs explaining the significance of Passover, Sukkot and
Hanukkah, explaining messianic elements and how they believe these festivals
are related to Jesus."Evangelists in the organization have been trained to
recite phrases from the Old Testament and to use Yiddish words so as to
convince potential converts that Jews for Jesus maintain Jewish traditions."
The organization was founded under the name Hineni Ministries in 1973 by
Moishe Rosen, an ordained Baptist minister.
Moishe Rosen (born 12 April 1932 as Martin Meyer Rosen) His given Hebrew
name was Moshe or Moses and Moishe is the vernacular Yiddish. His parents
were Ben Rosen and Rose Baker. He is the founder and former Executive
Director of Jews for Jesus, an evangelical Christian missionary organization
working to proclaim and promote the message of Christ amongst the Jewish
People. Rosen was raised in Denver, Colorado. According to Rosen his
mother's parents were "Reform Jews from Austria", his paternal grandfather
was Orthodox, and although Rosen's father regularly attended an Orthodox
synagogue he was "not religious" and viewed religion as a "racket".
Rosen married Ceil Starr on 18 August 1950; and they became Christians in
1953. After graduating Northeastern Bible College, Rosen made a commitment
to be a missionary to Jews from 1956. He was ordained as a Conservative
Baptist minister in 1957. He felt a need for a more visible kind of
evangelism and developed new techniques of communication which culminated in
what became known as The Jews for Jesus movement in 1969. In 1973 Rosen left
the employment of the American Board of Missions to the Jews (now called
Chosen People Ministries) to incorporate a separate mission which became
known as Jews for Jesus ministries. In 1986 he received a Doctor of Divinity
Degree from Western Conservative Baptist Seminary in Portland. He stepped
down from his position as Executive Director in 1996, but continues to be
employed as a staff missionary and remains one of fifteen board members.
In 1997 the Conservative Baptist Union named him "Hero of the Faith."
The troubling issue about "Jews for Jesus" is their insistence that they are
"Jews" without qualification and that they can somehow be both Jews and
fundamentalist Christians simultaneously.
They believe they have the right to define Jewish identity .LOL.
However, this is really rather self-referentially incoherent. Can a Baptist
accept Buddhism and then become a "Baptist for Buddha," or can a Mormon
embrace Islam and be a "Mormon for Mohammed"?
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Fuck you Mirelle and all the rest of you Arab, French and German
cocksuckers.
Mirelle
2008-05-18 04:56:15 UTC
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On May 17, 9:42 pm, NefeshBarYohai <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
<snip>

Mirelle
NefeshBarYohai
2008-05-18 04:40:45 UTC
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FACT: J4J's  are Baptists, the majority of whom are not Jewish.
The few that are have converted to Christianity and as such are apostate
Jews.
Jews for Jesus" is a primarily Baptist missionary group whose sole focus is
converting Jews to Christianity. They are not a part of the Messianic
movement .
In 1997, the Conservative Baptist Association named Moishe Roisin   (who
started J4J's) "Hero of the Faith."
Roisin added the Jewish flavour to J4J's ,including using some Yiddish and
Hebrew in some of their literature when he started the movement ,with the
expressed objective of converting as many Jews to Christianity as possible.
Other than that their doctrinal statement is basically indistinguishable
from Evangelical and other conservative Christian groups. ... They differ
from some Evangelical Christian groups in their belief that Israel continues
to exist as a "covenant people."
Jews for Jesus is a Christian evangelistic organization that focuses
specifically on the conversion of Jews to Christianity. Viewing its
followers - either Jewish as defined by Jewish law, or Jews according to
Jews for Jesus - as "living out their Jewishness,"Jews for Jesus defines
"Jewish" in terms of parentage and as a birthright, regardless of religious
belief. Identification of Jews for Jesus as a Jewish organization is
overwhelmingly rejected by Jewish religious denominationsand secular groups
due to the Christian - specifically evangelical - beliefs of its members.
The group's evangelism related activities are opposed also by some Christian
organizations and scholars
Jews for Jesus is based in San Francisco, California at a Baptist Church.
Jews for Jesus official mission statement is "to make the Messiahship of
Jesus an unavoidable issue to our Jewish people worldwide." They say that
belief in Jesus as Messiah is a fulfillment of the prophecies of Hebrew
scripture. Through media advertisements, production and distribution of
literature, producing music and organizing person-to-person evangelism, the
organization asserts that "a specifically Jewish mission" is necessary,
saying "Jewish people tend to dismiss evangelistic methods and materials
that are couched in Christian lingo, because they reinforce the assumption
that Jesus is for 'them' not 'us.'"
Jews for Jesus promotes awareness of the Jewish heritage of the Christian
faith. Their website contains brief descriptions of Jewish festivals and
also runs programs explaining the significance of Passover, Sukkot and
Hanukkah, explaining messianic elements and how they believe these festivals
are related to Jesus."Evangelists in the organization have been trained to
recite phrases from the Old Testament and to use Yiddish words so as to
convince potential converts that Jews for Jesus maintain Jewish traditions."
The organization was founded under the name Hineni Ministries in 1973 by
Moishe Rosen, an ordained Baptist minister.
Moishe Rosen (born 12 April 1932 as Martin Meyer Rosen) His given Hebrew
name was Moshe or Moses and Moishe is the vernacular Yiddish. His parents
were Ben Rosen and Rose Baker. He is the founder and former Executive
Director of Jews for Jesus, an evangelical Christian missionary organization
working to proclaim and promote the message of Christ amongst the Jewish
People. Rosen was raised in Denver, Colorado. According to Rosen his
mother's parents were "Reform Jews from Austria", his paternal grandfather
was Orthodox, and although Rosen's father regularly attended an Orthodox
synagogue he was "not religious" and viewed religion as a "racket".
Rosen married Ceil Starr on 18 August 1950; and they became Christians in
1953. After graduating Northeastern Bible College, Rosen made a commitment
to be a missionary to Jews from 1956. He was ordained as a Conservative
Baptist minister in 1957. He felt a need for a more visible kind of
evangelism and developed new techniques of communication which culminated in
what became known as The Jews for Jesus movement in 1969. In 1973 Rosen left
the employment of the American Board of Missions to the Jews (now called
Chosen People Ministries) to incorporate a separate mission which became
known as Jews for Jesus ministries. In 1986 he received a Doctor of Divinity
Degree from Western Conservative Baptist Seminary in Portland. He stepped
down from his position as Executive Director in 1996, but continues to be
employed as a staff missionary and remains one of fifteen board members.
In 1997 the Conservative Baptist Union named him "Hero of the Faith."
The troubling issue about "Jews for Jesus" is their insistence that they are
"Jews" without qualification and that they can somehow be both Jews and
fundamentalist Christians simultaneously.
They believe they have the right to define Jewish identity .LOL.
However, this is really rather self-referentially incoherent. Can a Baptist
accept Buddhism and then become a "Baptist for Buddha," or can a Mormon
embrace Islam and be a "Mormon for Mohammed"?
--
The Jews for Jesus are not Jews.
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