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Russia ready to sell air defense systems to Iran to counter any US attack on her nuclear arsenal development
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Passerby
2003-09-06 13:49:50 UTC
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That's alright. Russians are famous for their Surface-to-Air missiles.
However in order to harm
USAF or IAF planes they need Surface-to-Airplane missiles and they have a
serious trouble developing those.
Russia ready to sell air defense systems to Iran
http://top.rbc.ru/english/index.shtml?/news/english/2003/09/03/03180659_bod.
shtml
Russia could start supplying advanced air defense systems to Iran,
Rajab Safarov, General Director of the Russian Center for Contemporary
Iranian Studies, told the Japanese newspaper Sankei Shimbun.
According to Mr. Safarov, the sensational proposal was voiced by late
Lev Rokhlin, during a meeting with Iranian Defense Minister Ali
Shamkhani, within the framework of the visit to Iran by the State
Duma's official delegation in February 1997. Rajab Safarov was also a
member of this delegation, as the Deputy Defense Minister.
According to the newspaper, General Rokhlin suggested that, having
launched military satellites, Iran would be able not only to monitor
all movements inside the country, on its borders and in the region,
but also to ensure its security using various air and missile defense
systems. "As Iran decided to build an atomic power station, it is
necessary to protect it from multiple enemies. For its part, Russia is
ready to provide the most advanced air defense system," General
Rokhlin said.
According to Mr. Safarov, Iran's leadership showed great interest in
this proposal and requested information about the price and technical
specifications of the air defense system. According to the Russian
side, the system would cost about $3-4bn, and it would take at least 3
years to build.
The Iranian delegation said it needed to discuss this issue with the
country's leadership. However, there was no official request from
Iran.
Meanwhile, the Russian delegation headed by professor Zhores Alferov,
Nobel Prize winner and member of the State Duma, will head for Teheran
on September 19, 2003. It is expected that the visit will last about
five days. Perhaps, the issue of the air defense system will also be
discussed at the talks.
At the same time, a meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency
(IAEA) is scheduled for September 8, 2003 in Vienna. International
experts will discuss Iran's nuclear programs. Having allowed a leak of
information about its secret talks with Iran, Russia raises its stake
in the talks with the United States. After the war in Iraq,
anti-American sentiment is growing all around the world. In this
situation, Russian air and missile defense systems are becoming more
popular.
Tom E.
2003-09-06 16:33:45 UTC
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There could be a silver lining in this. The IRI's regime is living
on borrowed time, and the Democratic Republic of Iran is right
around the corner. They may need this equiptment to defend themselves
against neighboring Muslim countries. Iran itself will become
an apostate! Tom
Winston Smith, American Patriot
2003-09-06 18:50:49 UTC
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Post by Tom E.
There could be a silver lining in this. The IRI's regime is living
on borrowed time, and the Democratic Republic of Iran is right
around the corner.
Perfectly acceptable that regime change come from within!

That's how it should have happened in Iraq.

What we don't need is Soviet-style imperialism and illegal invasions and
occupations of countries as the U.S. did in Iraq.

The U.S. has no business intimidating or harassing Iran given its actions
toward Iraq, and anything Iran does in acquiring the tools to defend its
country against the insanity of George W. Bush is perfectly understandable.
Thom
2003-09-07 07:03:16 UTC
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On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 18:50:49 GMT, "Winston Smith, American Patriot"
Post by Winston Smith, American Patriot
Post by Tom E.
There could be a silver lining in this. The IRI's regime is living
on borrowed time, and the Democratic Republic of Iran is right
around the corner.
Perfectly acceptable that regime change come from within!
That's how it should have happened in Iraq.
What we don't need is Soviet-style imperialism and illegal invasions and
occupations of countries as the U.S. did in Iraq.
The U.S. has no business intimidating or harassing Iran given its actions
toward Iraq, and anything Iran does in acquiring the tools to defend its
country against the insanity of George W. Bush is perfectly understandable.
take a look in your own back yard. Indonesia has started taking
delivery of 28 Russian Sukhoi SU-27's and 30's, an unknown number of
Mi-35 choppers and the S-300 air defence system. When this is done it
will make Indonesia better equiped that Australia to the south or any
carrier group we can field in the region.

THOM
Boris Goodenough
2003-09-07 11:03:58 UTC
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Post by Thom
On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 18:50:49 GMT, "Winston Smith, American Patriot"
Post by Winston Smith, American Patriot
Post by Tom E.
There could be a silver lining in this. The IRI's regime is living
on borrowed time, and the Democratic Republic of Iran is right
around the corner.
Perfectly acceptable that regime change come from within!
That's how it should have happened in Iraq.
What we don't need is Soviet-style imperialism and illegal invasions and
occupations of countries as the U.S. did in Iraq.
The U.S. has no business intimidating or harassing Iran given its actions
toward Iraq, and anything Iran does in acquiring the tools to defend its
country against the insanity of George W. Bush is perfectly
understandable.
Post by Thom
take a look in your own back yard. Indonesia has started taking
delivery of 28 Russian Sukhoi SU-27's and 30's, an unknown number of
Mi-35 choppers and the S-300 air defence system. When this is done it
will make Indonesia better equiped that Australia to the south or any
carrier group we can field in the region.
THOM
Just curious...why didn't the wonder-weapon S-300 stop the Bali bombing?

Sukhois were designed during Soviet Union days. It has a massive IR
signature which is like a giant neon sign to an A/A missile...saying please
shoot me down.
zolota
2003-09-08 06:10:57 UTC
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Post by Winston Smith, American Patriot
Post by Thom
On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 18:50:49 GMT, "Winston Smith, American Patriot"
Post by Winston Smith, American Patriot
Post by Tom E.
There could be a silver lining in this. The IRI's regime is living
on borrowed time, and the Democratic Republic of Iran is right
around the corner.
Perfectly acceptable that regime change come from within!
That's how it should have happened in Iraq.
What we don't need is Soviet-style imperialism and illegal invasions and
occupations of countries as the U.S. did in Iraq.
The U.S. has no business intimidating or harassing Iran given its actions
toward Iraq, and anything Iran does in acquiring the tools to defend its
country against the insanity of George W. Bush is perfectly
understandable.
Post by Thom
take a look in your own back yard. Indonesia has started taking
delivery of 28 Russian Sukhoi SU-27's and 30's, an unknown number of
Mi-35 choppers and the S-300 air defence system. When this is done it
will make Indonesia better equiped that Australia to the south or any
carrier group we can field in the region.
THOM
Just curious...why didn't the wonder-weapon S-300 stop the Bali bombing?
Are you saying that the S-300 is good against truck bombs? If so, it sure
seems to be superior for whatever the Yanks are using in Iraq to defend
sites from trucks.

Z
Lucifer
2003-09-08 09:42:21 UTC
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Am Sun, 07 Sep 2003 02:56:58 GMT hat Boris Goodenough
Post by Winston Smith, American Patriot
Post by Winston Smith, American Patriot
Post by Tom E.
There could be a silver lining in this. The IRI's regime is living
on borrowed time, and the Democratic Republic of Iran is right
around the corner.
Perfectly acceptable that regime change come from within!
That's how it should have happened in Iraq.
What we don't need is Soviet-style imperialism and illegal invasions and
occupations of countries as the U.S. did in Iraq.
The U.S. has no business intimidating or harassing Iran given its actions
toward Iraq, and anything Iran does in acquiring the tools to defend its
country against the insanity of George W. Bush is perfectly
understandable.
Except that Iran is likely to collapse from within. A nation divided
against
itself can not stand.
No need for fancy missile systems when you're hanging from the end of a
rope.
Then way you still propose a overblown and not working missile defense
system? Why don't you simply buy a working one from Russia? As far as i
know , Moskow is the only capital in the world defended against ballistic
missiles.

Lucifer
--
One nation may support another’s cause, but will never take it so seriously
as it takes its own.
A moderately-sized force will be sent to its help; but if things go wrong
the operation is pretty well written off, and one tries to withdraw at the
smallest possible cost.
Clausewitz, On War
Boris Goodenough
2003-09-08 18:50:29 UTC
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Post by Lucifer
Am Sun, 07 Sep 2003 02:56:58 GMT hat Boris Goodenough
Post by Winston Smith, American Patriot
Post by Winston Smith, American Patriot
Post by Tom E.
There could be a silver lining in this. The IRI's regime is living
on borrowed time, and the Democratic Republic of Iran is right
around the corner.
Perfectly acceptable that regime change come from within!
That's how it should have happened in Iraq.
What we don't need is Soviet-style imperialism and illegal invasions and
occupations of countries as the U.S. did in Iraq.
The U.S. has no business intimidating or harassing Iran given its actions
toward Iraq, and anything Iran does in acquiring the tools to defend its
country against the insanity of George W. Bush is perfectly
understandable.
Except that Iran is likely to collapse from within. A nation divided
against
itself can not stand.
No need for fancy missile systems when you're hanging from the end of a
rope.
Then way you still propose a overblown and not working missile defense
system? Why don't you simply buy a working one from Russia? As far as i
know , Moskow is the only capital in the world defended against ballistic
missiles.
Lucifer
Syria was heavily defended by A/A missiles. That only slowed down the
Israelis.
Baghdad WAS defended by missiles. That didn't change anything...twice...in
1991 or 2003.
Belgrade was defended. That didn't change the outcome.

BTW...Moscow's air defense system was already thwarted by a guy named
Matthius Rust. How did he do it? Easily. He just flew in and landed in Red
Square.
Post by Lucifer
--
One nation may support another's cause, but will never take it so
seriously
Post by Lucifer
as it takes its own.
A moderately-sized force will be sent to its help; but if things go wrong
the operation is pretty well written off, and one tries to withdraw at the
smallest possible cost.
Clausewitz, On War
Lucifer
2003-09-08 21:30:34 UTC
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Am Mon, 08 Sep 2003 18:50:29 GMT hat Boris Goodenough
Post by Boris Goodenough
Post by Lucifer
Then way you still propose a overblown and not working missile defense
system? Why don't you simply buy a working one from Russia? As far as i
know , Moskow is the only capital in the world defended against ballistic
missiles.
Lucifer
Syria was heavily defended by A/A missiles. That only slowed down the
Israelis.
Baghdad WAS defended by missiles. That didn't change
anything...twice...in
1991 or 2003.
Belgrade was defended. That didn't change the outcome.
By 20-30 year old systems. Yet, the serbians managed to shut down a F-117
with such an outdated system.
Post by Boris Goodenough
BTW...Moscow's air defense system was already thwarted by a guy named
Matthius Rust. How did he do it? Easily. He just flew in and landed in Red
Square.
On a ballistic missile? LOL

Lucifer
--
One nation may support another’s cause, but will never take it so seriously
as it takes its own.
A moderately-sized force will be sent to its help; but if things go wrong
the operation is pretty well written off, and one tries to withdraw at the
smallest possible cost.
Clausewitz, On War
Cyberhacker
2003-09-06 19:21:19 UTC
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Right. That's why Bush is trying to stop the sales of those anti-aircraft
missiles. Iran would destroy Israel in months.
Post by Passerby
That's alright. Russians are famous for their Surface-to-Air missiles.
However in order to harm
USAF or IAF planes they need Surface-to-Airplane missiles and they have a
serious trouble developing those.
Russia ready to sell air defense systems to Iran
http://top.rbc.ru/english/index.shtml?/news/english/2003/09/03/03180659_bod.
Post by Passerby
shtml
Russia could start supplying advanced air defense systems to Iran,
Rajab Safarov, General Director of the Russian Center for Contemporary
Iranian Studies, told the Japanese newspaper Sankei Shimbun.
According to Mr. Safarov, the sensational proposal was voiced by late
Lev Rokhlin, during a meeting with Iranian Defense Minister Ali
Shamkhani, within the framework of the visit to Iran by the State
Duma's official delegation in February 1997. Rajab Safarov was also a
member of this delegation, as the Deputy Defense Minister.
According to the newspaper, General Rokhlin suggested that, having
launched military satellites, Iran would be able not only to monitor
all movements inside the country, on its borders and in the region,
but also to ensure its security using various air and missile defense
systems. "As Iran decided to build an atomic power station, it is
necessary to protect it from multiple enemies. For its part, Russia is
ready to provide the most advanced air defense system," General
Rokhlin said.
According to Mr. Safarov, Iran's leadership showed great interest in
this proposal and requested information about the price and technical
specifications of the air defense system. According to the Russian
side, the system would cost about $3-4bn, and it would take at least 3
years to build.
The Iranian delegation said it needed to discuss this issue with the
country's leadership. However, there was no official request from
Iran.
Meanwhile, the Russian delegation headed by professor Zhores Alferov,
Nobel Prize winner and member of the State Duma, will head for Teheran
on September 19, 2003. It is expected that the visit will last about
five days. Perhaps, the issue of the air defense system will also be
discussed at the talks.
At the same time, a meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency
(IAEA) is scheduled for September 8, 2003 in Vienna. International
experts will discuss Iran's nuclear programs. Having allowed a leak of
information about its secret talks with Iran, Russia raises its stake
in the talks with the United States. After the war in Iraq,
anti-American sentiment is growing all around the world. In this
situation, Russian air and missile defense systems are becoming more
popular.
Jack White
2003-09-08 08:15:08 UTC
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