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First NASA now NOAA getting ready for what’s coming.
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Warhol
2011-10-25 07:52:42 UTC
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First NASA now NOAA getting ready for what’s coming.

http://www.homelandsecurity.noaa.gov/Check_In.html


Exert;
If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site, please contact us as soon as possible to advise us
that you are safe and with a means of contacting you. This toll free
number can also be used by employees, their families, contractors and
friends to report the whereabouts of another NOAA employee or
contractor.

This responsibility strengthens the agency’s ability to prepare for,
respond to, and recover from terrorist attacks, major disasters, and
other emergencies by providing a unity of effort and the focal point
of contact for NOAA leadership, Department of Commerce (DOC), the
White House Homeland Security Council, Department of Homeland Security
(DHS), and other interagency partners.




"If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site"

The Plot thickens...... Interesting, and kind of creepy. They even
have an "order of succession" document in case of national
emergency ... ie., in case people at the top are killed. Ewwww...

And this while the Sky Turns BLOOD RED over Europe
Hägar
2011-10-25 14:18:13 UTC
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First NASA now NOAA getting ready for what’s coming.

http://www.homelandsecurity.noaa.gov/Check_In.html


You should listen to your doctor, WarPiggy, and go back on
your meds again ... your brain is turning to mush.
Just ask NoTroll and his socks how that feels !!!
Warhol
2011-10-25 15:24:38 UTC
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Post by Warhol
First NASA now NOAA getting ready for what’s coming.
http://www.homelandsecurity.noaa.gov/Check_In.html
You should listen to your doctor, WarPiggy, and go back on
your meds again ... your brain is turning to mush.
Just ask NoTroll and his socks how that feels !!!
For blood red sky call
Toll-Free Call-In Number: ( 1-888-NOAA-911 or 1-888-662-2911....

http://www.wunderground.com/wximage/viewsingleimage.html?mode=singleimage&handle=thebige&number=5374&album_id=787&thumbstart=0&gallery=EDITORSPICK#slideanchor

Reports coming in of different Asteroids impacts yesterday... better
prepare now before tolate...

Never really thought about it until now, but this song is kinda
doomish!


Red skies at night, red skies at night
Oh oh, oh oh, oh oh oh, oh
Red skies at night, red skies at night
Oh oh, oh oh, oh oh oh, oh

Should have taken warning
It's just people mourning, running, hiding, lost
You can't find, find a place to go

So it's red skies at night, red skies at night
Oh oh, oh oh, oh oh oh, oh

Should have taken warning
It was just people ignoring, running, hiding, lost
You can't find, find a place to go

So it's red skies at night, red skies at night
Oh oh, oh oh, oh oh oh, oh


So someone's taking over
And it looks like they're aiming right at you and me
And everybody, everybody
Someone says, "We'll be dead by morning"
Someone cries, oh, oh, leaving

Red eyes at night, red eyes at night
Oh oh, oh oh, oh oh oh, oh

Red skies at night, red skies at night, red skies at night
Red skies at night, red skies at night, red skies at night
Red skies at night, red skies at night, red skies at night
Red skies at night, red skies at night, red skies at night

Red skies at night
Red skies at night, red skies at night
Oh oh, oh oh, oh oh oh, oh
Rocky
2011-10-25 20:15:10 UTC
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Post by Hägar
First NASA now NOAA getting ready for what’s coming.
First, thanks for the post.

Second, they have been reading too much of that Zetatalk again. Back in
February 2003 the government all went to hiding in DUMBs. after reading too
much Zetatalk.

< snip >
Post by Hägar
And this while the Sky Turns BLOOD RED over Europe
Wow, people over there freaked out because of the Solar Flare activity
reached a KP of 7. Me, it would take a KP of 8 before I would get to see
the Aurora Borealis from where I am.

Aurora borealis makes a rare area appearance
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-aurora-borealis-makes-a-rare-area-appearance-20111025,0,6390834.story
Brad Guth
2011-10-27 22:12:43 UTC
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Post by Warhol
First NASA now NOAA getting ready for what’s coming.
http://www.homelandsecurity.noaa.gov/Check_In.html
Exert;
If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site, please contact us as soon as possible to advise us
that you are safe and with a means of contacting you. This toll free
number can also be used by employees, their families, contractors and
friends to report the whereabouts of another NOAA employee or
contractor.
This responsibility strengthens the agency’s ability to prepare for,
respond to, and recover from terrorist attacks, major disasters, and
other emergencies by providing a unity of effort and the focal point
of contact for NOAA leadership, Department of Commerce (DOC), the
White House Homeland Security Council, Department of Homeland Security
(DHS), and other interagency partners.
"If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site"
The Plot thickens...... Interesting, and kind of creepy. They even
have an "order of succession" document in case of national
emergency ... ie., in case people at the top are killed. Ewwww...
And this while the Sky Turns BLOOD RED over Europe
This is serious Warhol doom and gloom, and especially doom worthy if
this bad-boy trajectory should drift by any micro-fraction of a degree
and whack into our moon.
Loading Image...
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/10/27/141768886/nasa-makes-final-preparations-for-huge-asteroid-flyby
http://www.universetoday.com/85360/take-a-look-huge-asteroid-to-fly-by-earth-in-november/
Perhaps this November 9th asteroid 2005 YU55 as a 400 meter diameter
worth of unknown mass (being that it’s so spherical could suggest a
rather solid one of mostly nickel iron), passing through at 38 km/sec
with its NEO distance of 324,600 km could conceivably manage to hit
our moon at 13 km/sec. Too bad the regular JPL asteroid NEO simulator
can’t muster up any specifics on how close it’ll get to our physically
dark and naked moon. It looks as though it’ll miss the moon by
roughly a little more than 0.5 LD.
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/comet/20110502/comet20110502.gif

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Brad Guth
2011-10-27 23:05:20 UTC
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Post by Warhol
First NASA now NOAA getting ready for what’s coming.
http://www.homelandsecurity.noaa.gov/Check_In.html
Exert;
If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site, please contact us as soon as possible to advise us
that you are safe and with a means of contacting you. This toll free
number can also be used by employees, their families, contractors and
friends to report the whereabouts of another NOAA employee or
contractor.
This responsibility strengthens the agency’s ability to prepare for,
respond to, and recover from terrorist attacks, major disasters, and
other emergencies by providing a unity of effort and the focal point
of contact for NOAA leadership, Department of Commerce (DOC), the
White House Homeland Security Council, Department of Homeland Security
(DHS), and other interagency partners.
"If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site"
The Plot thickens...... Interesting, and kind of creepy. They even
have an "order of succession" document in case of national
emergency ... ie., in case people at the top are killed. Ewwww...
And this while the Sky Turns BLOOD RED over Europe
Gravity is the overall big-picture problem for us, because as is more
people seem to die because of encountering or having to deal with
gravity related issues than anything else (Pandora has the right
amount of gravity, as in hardly any). Though locally there's not so
much gravity to fear as there could be actual shards of paramagnetic
basalt from our moon, plus whatever parts from the arriving asteroid
that’ll be attracted by the combined gravity of Earth and our moon.
Unfortunately, Earth will eventually get 2/3 of it (again due to
gravity, just like all them dinosaurs had to pay the ultimate price
due to gravity and that item or several which impacted Earth).

This asteroid (2005 YU55) is arriving too damn fast to get captured,
but it’s certainly capable of demonstrating a method of capture should
it have a glancing lithobraking encounter with our moon.

Perhaps our crack FEMA and NOAA are simply getting themselves prepared
for a seriously nasty big one (somewhat like our DoD and Pentagon were
off playing war games based upon a large commercial aircraft smacking
into tall buildings on the exact same day as such was actually
happening). Does anyone here believe in Karma?

This one is serious Warhol doom and gloom, and especially doom worthy
if this bad-boy trajectory should drift by any micro-fraction of a
degree and whack into our moon.
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/comet/20110502/comet20110502.gif
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/10/27/141768886/nasa-makes-final-preparations-for-huge-asteroid-flyby
http://www.universetoday.com/85360/take-a-look-huge-asteroid-to-fly-by-earth-in-november/
Perhaps this November 9th asteroid (2005 YU55) as a 400 meter
diameter worth of unknown mass (being that it’s so spherical could
suggest a rather solid item of mostly nickel iron), passing through at
38 km/sec with its NEO distance of 324,600 km could conceivably manage
to hit our moon at 13 km/sec. Too bad the regular JPL asteroid NEO
simulator can’t muster up any specifics on how close it’ll get to our
physically dark and naked moon. It looks as though it’ll miss the
moon by roughly a little more than 0.5 LD as depicted in this
following link.
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/comet/20110502/comet20110502.gif
No doubt we’ll see a little fine tuning with their graphic simulation
as it gets closer. A moon impact would not give us much time if some
of the secondary shards are coming our way at 10+ km/sec, and of
course there’s even a slight chance of a glancing blow whereas this
item mostly survives its lithobraking encounter and subsequently
becomes slowed down but otherwise more attracted to the Earth+moon
gravity well.

As far as anyone knows, this one has never gotten so close, so it’ll
be interesting to see how much revising of its NEO simulation takes
place, which should also tell us its mass.

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Warhol
2011-10-28 04:13:40 UTC
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Post by Brad Guth
Post by Warhol
First NASA now NOAA getting ready for what’s coming.
http://www.homelandsecurity.noaa.gov/Check_In.html
Exert;
If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site, please contact us as soon as possible to advise us
that you are safe and with a means of contacting you. This toll free
number can also be used by employees, their families, contractors and
friends to report the whereabouts of another NOAA employee or
contractor.
This responsibility strengthens the agency’s ability to prepare for,
respond to, and recover from terrorist attacks, major disasters, and
other emergencies by providing a unity of effort and the focal point
of contact for NOAA leadership, Department of Commerce (DOC), the
White House Homeland Security Council, Department of Homeland Security
(DHS), and other interagency partners.
"If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site"
The Plot thickens...... Interesting, and kind of creepy. They even
have an "order of succession" document in case of national
emergency ... ie., in case people at the top are killed. Ewwww...
And this while the Sky Turns BLOOD RED over Europe
Gravity is the overall big-picture problem for us, because as is more
people seem to die because of encountering or having to deal with
gravity related issues than anything else (Pandora has the right
amount of gravity, as in hardly any).  Though locally there's not so
much gravity to fear as there could be actual shards of paramagnetic
basalt from our moon, plus whatever parts from the arriving asteroid
that’ll be attracted by the combined gravity of Earth and our moon.
Unfortunately, Earth will eventually get 2/3 of it (again due to
gravity, just like all them dinosaurs had to pay the ultimate price
due to gravity and that item or several which impacted Earth).
This asteroid (2005 YU55) is arriving too damn fast to get captured,
but it’s certainly capable of demonstrating a method of capture should
it have a glancing lithobraking encounter with our moon.
Perhaps our crack FEMA and NOAA are simply getting themselves prepared
for a seriously nasty big one (somewhat like our DoD and Pentagon were
off playing war games based upon a large commercial aircraft smacking
into tall buildings on the exact same day as such was actually
happening).  Does anyone here believe in Karma?
This one is serious Warhol doom and gloom, and especially doom worthy
if this bad-boy trajectory should drift by any micro-fraction of a
degree and whack into our moon.
 http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/comet/20110502/comet20110502.gif
 http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/10/27/141768886/nasa-makes-f...
 http://www.universetoday.com/85360/take-a-look-huge-asteroid-to-fly-b...
 Perhaps this November 9th asteroid (2005 YU55) as a 400 meter
diameter worth of unknown mass (being that it’s so spherical could
suggest a rather solid item of mostly nickel iron), passing through at
38 km/sec with its NEO distance of 324,600 km could conceivably manage
to hit our moon at 13 km/sec.  Too bad the regular JPL asteroid NEO
simulator can’t muster up any specifics on how close it’ll get to our
physically dark and naked moon.  It looks as though it’ll miss the
moon by roughly a little more than 0.5 LD as depicted in this
following link.
 http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/comet/20110502/comet20110502.gif
 No doubt we’ll see a little fine tuning with their graphic simulation
as it gets closer.  A moon impact would not give us much time if some
of the secondary shards are coming our way at 10+ km/sec, and of
course there’s even a slight chance of a glancing blow whereas this
item mostly survives its lithobraking encounter and subsequently
becomes slowed down but otherwise more attracted to the Earth+moon
gravity well.
As far as anyone knows, this one has never gotten so close, so it’ll
be interesting to see how much revising of its NEO simulation takes
place, which should also tell us its mass.
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Small asteroid will zip between Earth and moon tonight

A 30-foot-wide asteroid discovered just last night will sail past
Earth just before midnight ET, NASA reports. Traveling about 18,163
mph, the space rock will pass within 216,000 miles, slightly closer
than the orbit of the moon.

Good thing.

"If it's typical density, it would create a 4 kiloton explosion in the
Earth's atmosphere if it were to hit, which of course it won't," Don
Yeomans, manager of the Near-Earth Object Program Office at JPL, tells
Space.com. "You'd expect an object of this size to fly within the
orbit of the moon every few days or so."

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2009/10/small-asteroid-will-zip-between-earth-and-moon-tonight.html

http://www.space.com/7417-small-asteroid-fly-earth-tonight.html

discovered just last night? O_O

well did anyone see streaks of light in the sky?? in SE
Michigan??? ... Toledo, Ohio?...
Brad Guth
2011-10-28 04:55:35 UTC
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Post by Warhol
Post by Brad Guth
Post by Warhol
First NASA now NOAA getting ready for what’s coming.
http://www.homelandsecurity.noaa.gov/Check_In.html
Exert;
If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site, please contact us as soon as possible to advise us
that you are safe and with a means of contacting you. This toll free
number can also be used by employees, their families, contractors and
friends to report the whereabouts of another NOAA employee or
contractor.
This responsibility strengthens the agency’s ability to prepare for,
respond to, and recover from terrorist attacks, major disasters, and
other emergencies by providing a unity of effort and the focal point
of contact for NOAA leadership, Department of Commerce (DOC), the
White House Homeland Security Council, Department of Homeland Security
(DHS), and other interagency partners.
"If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site"
The Plot thickens...... Interesting, and kind of creepy. They even
have an "order of succession" document in case of national
emergency ... ie., in case people at the top are killed. Ewwww...
And this while the Sky Turns BLOOD RED over Europe
Gravity is the overall big-picture problem for us, because as is more
people seem to die because of encountering or having to deal with
gravity related issues than anything else (Pandora has the right
amount of gravity, as in hardly any).  Though locally there's not so
much gravity to fear as there could be actual shards of paramagnetic
basalt from our moon, plus whatever parts from the arriving asteroid
that’ll be attracted by the combined gravity of Earth and our moon.
Unfortunately, Earth will eventually get 2/3 of it (again due to
gravity, just like all them dinosaurs had to pay the ultimate price
due to gravity and that item or several which impacted Earth).
This asteroid (2005 YU55) is arriving too damn fast to get captured,
but it’s certainly capable of demonstrating a method of capture should
it have a glancing lithobraking encounter with our moon.
Perhaps our crack FEMA and NOAA are simply getting themselves prepared
for a seriously nasty big one (somewhat like our DoD and Pentagon were
off playing war games based upon a large commercial aircraft smacking
into tall buildings on the exact same day as such was actually
happening).  Does anyone here believe in Karma?
This one is serious Warhol doom and gloom, and especially doom worthy
if this bad-boy trajectory should drift by any micro-fraction of a
degree and whack into our moon.
 http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/comet/20110502/comet20110502.gif
 http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/10/27/141768886/nasa-makes-f...
 http://www.universetoday.com/85360/take-a-look-huge-asteroid-to-fly-b...
 Perhaps this November 9th asteroid (2005 YU55) as a 400 meter
diameter worth of unknown mass (being that it’s so spherical could
suggest a rather solid item of mostly nickel iron), passing through at
38 km/sec with its NEO distance of 324,600 km could conceivably manage
to hit our moon at 13 km/sec.  Too bad the regular JPL asteroid NEO
simulator can’t muster up any specifics on how close it’ll get to our
physically dark and naked moon.  It looks as though it’ll miss the
moon by roughly a little more than 0.5 LD as depicted in this
following link.
 http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/comet/20110502/comet20110502.gif
 No doubt we’ll see a little fine tuning with their graphic simulation
as it gets closer.  A moon impact would not give us much time if some
of the secondary shards are coming our way at 10+ km/sec, and of
course there’s even a slight chance of a glancing blow whereas this
item mostly survives its lithobraking encounter and subsequently
becomes slowed down but otherwise more attracted to the Earth+moon
gravity well.
As far as anyone knows, this one has never gotten so close, so it’ll
be interesting to see how much revising of its NEO simulation takes
place, which should also tell us its mass.
 http://translate.google.com/#
 Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”
Small asteroid will zip between Earth and moon tonight
A 30-foot-wide asteroid discovered just last night will sail past
Earth just before midnight ET, NASA reports. Traveling about 18,163
mph, the space rock will pass within 216,000 miles, slightly closer
than the orbit of the moon.
Good thing.
"If it's typical density, it would create a 4 kiloton explosion in the
Earth's atmosphere if it were to hit, which of course it won't," Don
Yeomans, manager of the Near-Earth Object Program Office at JPL, tells
Space.com. "You'd expect an object of this size to fly within the
orbit of the moon every few days or so."
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2009/10/small-asteroid-will-zip-...
http://www.space.com/7417-small-asteroid-fly-earth-tonight.html
discovered just last night? O_O
well did anyone see streaks of light in the sky?? in SE
Michigan??? ...  Toledo, Ohio?...
Interesting in how the sheer dumb luck of this asteroid of
considerable mass barely missing the moon is taken by our local FUD-
masters as yet a another clear sign that our DARPA and NASA know
exactly what they are doing.

The total potential energy applied from 264e6 tonnes at 13 km/sec is
4.46e19 Joules, and if 50% got applied is 2.23e19 Joules. Most
likely, due to the crater and ejected material the maximum energy by a
glancing blow is going to be not greater than 1e19 Joules, or perhaps
the minimum of 1e18 Joules.

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Brad Guth
2011-10-27 22:26:46 UTC
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Perhaps our crack FEMA and NOAA are simply getting themselves prepared
for a seriously nasty big one (somewhat like our DoD and Pentagon were
off playing war games based upon a large commercial aircraft smacking
into tall buildings on the exact same day as such was actually
happening).

This one is serious Warhol doom and gloom, and especially doom worthy
if this bad-boy trajectory should drift by any micro-fraction of a
degree and whack into our moon.
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/comet/20110502/comet20110502.gif
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/10/27/141768886/nasa-makes-final-preparations-for-huge-asteroid-flyby
http://www.universetoday.com/85360/take-a-look-huge-asteroid-to-fly-by-earth-in-november/
Perhaps this November 9th asteroid 2005 YU55 as a 400 meter diameter
worth of unknown mass (being that it’s so spherical could suggest a
rather solid item of mostly nickel iron), passing through at 38 km/sec
with its NEO distance of 324,600 km could conceivably manage to hit
our moon at 13 km/sec. Too bad the regular JPL asteroid NEO simulator
can’t muster up any specifics on how close it’ll get to our physically
dark and naked moon. It looks as though it’ll miss the moon by
roughly a little more than 0.5 LD.
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/comet/20110502/comet20110502.gif
No doubt we’ll see a little fine tuning with their graphic simulation
as it gets closer. A moon impact would not give us much time if some
of the secondary shards are coming our way at 10+ km/sec, and of
course there’s even a slight chance of a glancing blow whereas this
item survives its lithobraking encounter and subsequently becomes
slowed down but otherwise more attracted to the Earth+moon gravity
well.

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Post by Warhol
First NASA now NOAA getting ready for what’s coming.
http://www.homelandsecurity.noaa.gov/Check_In.html
Exert;
If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site, please contact us as soon as possible to advise us
that you are safe and with a means of contacting you. This toll free
number can also be used by employees, their families, contractors and
friends to report the whereabouts of another NOAA employee or
contractor.
This responsibility strengthens the agency’s ability to prepare for,
respond to, and recover from terrorist attacks, major disasters, and
other emergencies by providing a unity of effort and the focal point
of contact for NOAA leadership, Department of Commerce (DOC), the
White House Homeland Security Council, Department of Homeland Security
(DHS), and other interagency partners.
"If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site"
The Plot thickens...... Interesting, and kind of creepy. They even
have an "order of succession" document in case of national
emergency ... ie., in case people at the top are killed. Ewwww...
And this while the Sky Turns BLOOD RED over Europe
Brad Guth
2011-10-28 00:15:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Warhol
First NASA now NOAA getting ready for what’s coming.
http://www.homelandsecurity.noaa.gov/Check_In.html
Exert;
If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site, please contact us as soon as possible to advise us
that you are safe and with a means of contacting you. This toll free
number can also be used by employees, their families, contractors and
friends to report the whereabouts of another NOAA employee or
contractor.
This responsibility strengthens the agency’s ability to prepare for,
respond to, and recover from terrorist attacks, major disasters, and
other emergencies by providing a unity of effort and the focal point
of contact for NOAA leadership, Department of Commerce (DOC), the
White House Homeland Security Council, Department of Homeland Security
(DHS), and other interagency partners.
"If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site"
The Plot thickens...... Interesting, and kind of creepy. They even
have an "order of succession" document in case of national
emergency ... ie., in case people at the top are killed. Ewwww...
And this while the Sky Turns BLOOD RED over Europe
Since our DARPA and NASA are kind of dysfunctional (preoccupied with
spewing hype and desperate fund raising in order to keep their lights
turned on), how about we get Mokaerospace (aka William Mook) for
capturing this one for us, before it eventually does us more harm than
good?

Gravity is the overall big-picture problem for us, because as is more
people seem to die because of encountering or having to deal with
gravity related issues than anything else (Pandora has the right
amount of gravity, as in hardly any). Though locally there's not so
much gravity to fear as there could be actual shards of paramagnetic
basalt from our moon, plus whatever parts from the arriving asteroid
that’ll be attracted by the combined gravity of Earth and our moon
(once again proving that gravity is lethal). Unfortunately, Earth
will eventually get 2/3 of it (again due to gravity, just like all
them dinosaurs had to pay the ultimate price due to gravity and that
item or several which impacted Earth).

This asteroid (2005 YU55) is arriving too damn fast to get captured as
another moon or LEO item, but it’s certainly capable of demonstrating
a method of capture should it have a glancing lithobraking encounter
with our moon.

Perhaps our crack FEMA and NOAA are simply getting themselves prepared
for a seriously nasty big one (somewhat like our DoD and Pentagon were
off playing war games based upon a large commercial aircraft smacking
into tall buildings on the exact same day as such was actually
happening). Does anyone here believe in Karma?

This one is serious Warhol doom and gloom, and especially doom worthy
if this bad-boy trajectory should drift by any micro-fraction of a
degree and whack into our moon.
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/comet/20110502/comet20110502.gif
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/10/27/141768886/nasa-makes-final-preparations-for-huge-asteroid-flyby
http://www.universetoday.com/85360/take-a-look-huge-asteroid-to-fly-by-earth-in-november/
Perhaps this November 9th asteroid (2005 YU55) as a 400 meter
diameter worth of unknown mass (being that it’s so spherical could
suggest a rather solid item of mostly nickel iron), passing through at
38 km/sec with its NEO distance of 324,600 km could conceivably manage
to hit our moon at 13 km/sec. Too bad the regular JPL asteroid NEO
simulator can’t muster up any specifics on how close it’ll get to our
physically dark and naked moon. It looks as though it’ll miss the
moon by roughly a little more than 0.5 LD as depicted in this
following link.
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/comet/20110502/comet20110502.gif
No doubt we’ll see a little fine tuning with their graphic simulation
as it gets closer. A moon impact would not give us much time if some
of the secondary shards are coming our way at 10+ km/sec, and of
course there’s even a slight chance of a glancing blow whereas this
item mostly survives its lithobraking encounter and subsequently
becomes slowed down but otherwise more attracted to the Earth+moon
gravity well.

As far as anyone knows, this one has never gotten so close, so it’ll
be interesting to see how much revising of its NEO simulation takes
place, which should also tell us its mass. If the worse should
happen, it’ll put one hell of a dent in our moon, either increasing
its orbital velocity by a fraction of a percent and/or causing a
slight rotation. At 264 million tonnes impacting at 13 km/sec, what
could possibly go wrong?

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Wow Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”!

You certainly are in kOOk Rant Mode (TM) today.

Are you trying to earn a bonus payment from the GrandkOOkerzoid?

Shill #2
BDK
2011-10-28 02:15:54 UTC
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In article <7f09cdf2-66dd-461f-86bf-
Wow Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / ?Guth Usenet?!
You certainly are in kOOk Rant Mode (TM) today.
Are you trying to earn a bonus payment from the GrandkOOkerzoid?
Shill #2
He's really rolling in it today. I wonder what set him off?

Maybe the people asking him to actually produce evidence supporting his
claims have pushed him off the cliff..
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2011-10-28 02:21:20 UTC
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Post by BDK
In article <7f09cdf2-66dd-461f-86bf-
Wow Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / ?Guth Usenet?!
You certainly are in kOOk Rant Mode (TM) today.
Are you trying to earn a bonus payment from the GrandkOOkerzoid?
Shill #2
He's really rolling in it today. I wonder what set him off?
Maybe the people asking him to actually produce evidence supporting his
claims have pushed him off the cliff..
Reality Awareness Meltdown Syndrome?

When the terminally kOOktardic glimpse the sane world.

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Brad Guth
2011-10-28 21:30:56 UTC
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Post by Warhol
First NASA now NOAA getting ready for what’s coming.
http://www.homelandsecurity.noaa.gov/Check_In.html
Exert;
If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site, please contact us as soon as possible to advise us
that you are safe and with a means of contacting you. This toll free
number can also be used by employees, their families, contractors and
friends to report the whereabouts of another NOAA employee or
contractor.
This responsibility strengthens the agency’s ability to prepare for,
respond to, and recover from terrorist attacks, major disasters, and
other emergencies by providing a unity of effort and the focal point
of contact for NOAA leadership, Department of Commerce (DOC), the
White House Homeland Security Council, Department of Homeland Security
(DHS), and other interagency partners.
"If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site"
The Plot thickens...... Interesting, and kind of creepy. They even
have an "order of succession" document in case of national
emergency ... ie., in case people at the top are killed. Ewwww...
And this while the Sky Turns BLOOD RED over Europe
What happens when 264 million tonnes encounters our moon at 13 km/sec?

Since our DARPA and NASA are kind of dysfunctional (preoccupied with
spewing their maximum PhotoShop eyecandy hype and otherwise into
desperate fund raising in order to keep their lights turned on), so
how about we get Mokaerospace (aka William Mook) for capturing this
YU55 for us, before it eventually does us more harm than good?

Gravity is the overall big-picture problem for us, because as is more
people seem to die because of encountering or having to deal with
gravity related issues than anything else (Pandora has the right
amount of gravity, as in hardly any). Though locally there's not so
much gravity to fear as there could be actual shards of paramagnetic
basalt arriving from our moon, plus whatever parts from this arriving
asteroid that’ll be a little more attracted by the combined gravity of
Earth and our moon (once again proving that gravity is lethal).
Unfortunately, with a moon impact is where Earth will eventually get
to deal with 2/3 of it (again due to gravity, just like all them
dinosaurs had to pay the ultimate price due to gravity and that item
or several which impacted Earth).

This asteroid (2005 YU55) is arriving too damn fast to get captured as
another moon or LEO item, but it’s certainly capable of demonstrating
a method of capture should it have a glancing lithobraking encounter
with our moon.

No good reason to pass up this opportunity, whereas perhaps our crack
FEMA and NOAA are simply getting themselves prepared for a seriously
nasty big one (somewhat like our DoD and Pentagon were off playing war
games based upon a large commercial aircraft smacking into tall
buildings, on the exact same day as such was actually happening).
Does anyone here believe in Karma?

This one could become serious Warhol doom and gloom, and especially
doom worthy if this bad-boy trajectory should drift by any micro-
fraction of a degree and whack into our moon.
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/comet/20110502/comet20110502.gif
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/10/27/141768886/nasa-makes-final-preparations-for-huge-asteroid-flyby
http://www.universetoday.com/85360/take-a-look-huge-asteroid-to-fly-by-earth-in-november/
Perhaps this November 9th asteroid (2005 YU55) as a 400 meter
diameter worth of unknown mass (being that it’s so spherical could
suggest a rather solid item of mostly nickel iron), passing through at
38 km/sec (13.7 km/sec relative to Earth) with its NEO distance of
324,600 km could conceivably manage to hit our moon at 13 km/sec. Too
bad the regular JPL asteroid NEO simulator can’t muster up any
specifics on how close it’ll get to our physically dark and naked
moon. For the moment it looks as though it’ll miss the moon by
roughly a little more than 0.5 LD as depicted in this following link.
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/comet/20110502/comet20110502.gif
No doubt we’ll see a little fine tuning with their graphic simulation
as it gets closer. A moon impact would not give us much time if some
of the secondary shards are coming our way at 10+ km/sec, and of
course there’s even a slight chance of a glancing blow whereas this
hefty item mostly survives its lithobraking encounter and subsequently
becomes slowed down but otherwise more attracted to the Earth+moon
gravity well.

As far as anyone knows, this one has never gotten so close, so it’ll
be interesting to see how much revising of its NEO simulation takes
place, which should also tell us its mass. If the worse should
happen, it’ll put one hell of a dent in our moon, either increasing
its orbital velocity by a fraction of a percent and/or causing a
slight rotation. At 264 million tonnes impacting at 13 km/sec, what
could possibly go wrong?

Perhaps the largest solid fused shard of lunar paramagnetic basalt
that could be ejected at 2.5+ km/sec would be worth a million tonnes,
with the vast majority of moon debris items being worth 1000 tonnes
and smaller.

Kind of interesting in how the sheer dumb luck of this asteroid that’s
of considerable mass barely missing the moon is taken by our local FUD-
masters as yet a another clear sign that our DARPA and NASA know
exactly what they are doing. Even their mostly Jewish puppet masters
seem rather pleased with themselves, because when and if this turns
ugly, I’m fairly certain they’ll find another way to blame Muslims.

The total potential energy applied from absorbing 264e6 tonnes at 13
km/sec is 4.46e19 Joules, and if 50% got applied is 2.23e19 Joules.
Most likely, due to the crater and ejected material the maximum energy
transferred by a glancing blow is going to be not greater than 1e19
Joules, or perhaps the minimum of merely 1e18 Joules.

The good news is that we’ll have perhaps at least a couple days before
those moon rocks start arriving, plus only a few years of arriving
shards to contend with, and most likely nothing individually bigger
than a million tonnes coming at us.

The moon moves around us with an energy potential of 7.69e28 Joules,
and thereby applying 1e19 Joules is not going to modify the existing
orbit of our moon by any perceptible amount, although it might cause a
very slight rotation and subsequent oscillation. At a reasonably low
angle of attack it should only make an oblong or oval like crater of 4
km by 8 km by roughly 1 km deep, unless the impact is a more direct
hit. Perhaps the worst impact angle will be that of 45 degrees,
because that’ll dislodge and launch the most mass of paramagnetic
basalt, whereas anything under 22.5 degrees and especially near a 10
degree glancing blow will insure that most of the YU55 will remain as
a more certain return threat that we can all look forward to.

Since China seems to have demonstrated their leading expertise at
nailing distant moving objects, we could only hope that their long-
range capable talent and technology could place a sufficient nuclear
detonation of 10+ megatons in the path and triggered directly along
side of that asteroid, so as to slightly divert it for good, or at
least getting it to only impact the farside of our moon, because any
nearside impact or glancing blow could become extremely problematic
for us.

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According to O'Brien, NASA is engaged in MK-Ultra Monarch mind
control.


According to Hoagland, NASA has discovered ancient machinery
throughout the solar system - FROM ANCIENT EARTH CULTURES

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According to Percy and Groves, the named astronauts didn't go to the
moon at all!

http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/what_happened_on_the_moon2.php

Check out 1:00:50 about the rocket's exhaust. I found that
compelling.

Why didn't the Soviets call us out? Good question.

Because WE knew that Gagarin wasn't the first man in space.


<ugh!> Damn! Good answer! (Didn't expect that!)

haha - the only thing I know is that NASA does indeed stand for Never
A Straight Answer! lol.


The most reasonable explanation I have - given my prejudices on this
subject - is some of the photographic anomalies that stand the heat of
real analysis in the photographic record is that NASA released some
staged shots taken during training and some improved shots air brushed
or composited from an existing library of shots.

* * * * 2005 YU55 * * * *

I'm not in a position to do anything prior to 7:14 AM London time,
November 09 2011, but definitely by 9:31 PM London time April 08, 2015
something might be done. The distance of closest approach is expected
to be 147,300 miles - a distance of 85% between Earth and Moon this
November. The April encounter will bring the asteroid within 26
million miles of Earth in 2015.

Radar Image
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Looking down on ecliptic
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Looking across ecliptic
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The semi-major axis is nearly equal to that of Earth, so the
difference in velocities is rather small at closest approach, 4,047
mph according to my calculations despite its high eccentricity.


Aphelion 1.6329 AU
Perihelion 0.65241 AU
Semi-major axis 1.1427 AU
Eccentricity 0.42905
Orbital period 1.22 yr
Mean anomaly 26.094°
Inclination 0.51351°
Longitude of ascending node 39.304°
Argument of perihelion 268.79°

The object is a quarter mile in diameter according to Arecibo imaging
and is dark. It appears to be a C type asteroid - carbonaceous. Its
surface area is 125 acres. Its mass is 77,777,500 short tons
according to my calculations assuming an average density of 2.11x that
of water which is typical of the lightest C-type asteroids. It is
unlikely to be more than 127,908,900 short tons at 3.47x water
density, which is typical of the heaviest C-type asteroids

DENSITY
Carbonaceous Chondrites:

CI 2.11
CM 2.12 (± 0.26)
CR 3.1
CO 2.95 (± 0.11)
CV 2.95 (± 0.26)
CK 3.47 (± 0.02)

A change in speed slowing it by 3,500 mph could bring the asteroid
into the moon at a speed of about 5,000 mph. It would be falling
nearly radially at that point coming up from behind and down from
above the ecliptic - hitting in the crater Szilard on the Lunar back
side. The mass of the asteroid isn't large enough to make much of a
difference in the Moon's orbit.

http://cseligman.com/text/moons/moonfar.htm

This would require 8,700 short tons of Lithium-6 Deuteride to be
reacted in a fusion rocket attached to the asteroid and the alpha
particles ejected in the appropriate direction relative to the center
of gravity of the asteroid.



M.P.E.C. 2005-Y47 Issued 2005 Dec. 29,
12:43 UT

The Minor Planet Electronic Circulars contain information on
unusual
minor planets and routine data on comets. They are published
on behalf of Commission 20 of the International Astronomical Union
by the
Minor Planet Center, Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory,
Cambridge, MA 02138, U.S.A.

Supported in part by the Brinson Foundation
Supported in part by the TABASGO Foundation
Prepared using the Tamkin Foundation Computer Network

***@CFA.HARVARD.EDU
URL http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/mpc.html ISSN 1523-6714

2005 YU55

Observations:
K05Y55U*FC2005 12 28.25072 06 53 24.60 +24 10 07.5 21.4
V EY047691
K05Y55U FC2005 12 28.26806 06 53 21.19 +24 10 11.7 21.4
V EY047691
K05Y55U FC2005 12 28.28596 06 53 17.67 +24 10 16.8 21.4
V EY047691
K05Y55U C2005 12 28.48219 06 52 38.22 +24 11 02.9 22.1
V EY047291
K05Y55U C2005 12 28.48684 06 52 37.26 +24 11 04.2 22.1
V EY047291
K05Y55U HC2005 12 28.49159 06 52 36.38 +24 11
03.1 EY047291
K05Y55U C2005 12 29.17693 06 50 25.10 +24 13
51.3 EY047734
K05Y55U C2005 12 29.18029 06 50 24.62 +24 13 52.0 22.6
V EY047291
K05Y55U C2005 12 29.18483 06 50 23.78 +24 13 53.4 21.7
V EY047291
K05Y55U C2005 12 29.18916 06 50 22.89 +24 13 54.7 21.6
V EY047291
K05Y55U C2005 12 29.19906 06 50 20.72 +24 13
54.7 EY047734
K05Y55U C2005 12 29.22125 06 50 16.26 +24 14 01.7 20.7
R EY047734

Observer details:
291 LPL/Spacewatch II. Observer J. V. Scotti. 1.8-m f/2.7 reflector
+ CCD.
691 Steward Observatory, Kitt Peak. Observer R. S. McMillan. 0.9-m f/
3
reflector + CCD.
734 Farpoint Observatory. Observer G. Hug. Measurer D. Tibbets. 0.7-
m
reflector + CCD.

Orbital elements:
2005 YU55
Epoch 2005 Dec. 16.0 TT = JDT 2453720.5 MPC
M 169.11098 (2000.0) P Q
n 0.89504426 Peri. 273.04385 +0.14266712 +0.98977053
a 1.0663662 Node 5.15848 -0.90533720 +0.13074975
e 0.3258279 Incl. 0.39490 -0.40001332 +0.05708585
P 1.10 H 22.4 G 0.15
From 12 observations 2005 Dec. 28-29. E-assumed.

Ephemeris:
2005 YU55 a,e,i = 1.07, 0.33, 0 q =
0.7189
Date TT R. A. (2000) Decl. Delta r Elong.
Phase V
2005 12 26 07 00.57 +24 00.1 0.434 1.414 170.3 6.7
21.8
2006 01 05 06 28.15 +24 34.0 0.432 1.412 171.9 5.6
21.8
2006 01 15 05 58.46 +24 38.7 0.452 1.406 155.0 17.2
22.3
2006 01 25 05 36.65 +24 24.7 0.490 1.395 139.9 27.0
22.8
2006 02 04 05 24.38 +24 07.7 0.540 1.379 126.9 34.8
23.2
2006 02 14 05 20.85 +23 56.5 0.596 1.359 116.0 40.8
23.5
2006 02 24 05 24.30 +23 52.2 0.653 1.333 106.7 45.3
23.8

Timothy B. Spahr (C) Copyright 2005 MPC M.P.E.C.
2005-Y47


* * * * CLOSEST APPROACH * * * *

Date/Time (TDB) Time Uncertainty
(days_HH:MM) Body Nominal Distance (AU) Minimum Distance (AU)
Maximum Distance (AU) V-relative (km/s) V-infinity (km/s) JD (TDB)
Time Uncertainty (minutes) Semi-major axis (km) Semi-minor axis (km)
range-LOV angle (deg) N-sigma BP Orbit Ref. Reference Modified


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Oct-28 13:59:01 2011-Oct-28 13:59

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Oct-28 13:59:01 2011-Oct-28 13:59

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Oct-28 13:59:01 2011-Oct-28 13:59

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Oct-28 13:59:01 2011-Oct-28 13:59

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1989-Sep-19 21:23 00:04 Venus 0.0658094003008041
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1989-Nov-25 06:03 < 00:01 Earth 0.378024879846473
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1990-Dec-01 10:26 00:01 Venus 0.0288112953620783
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1993-May-06 03:33 < 00:01 Venus 0.0935963000595865
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1994-Sep-15 23:37 00:01 Earth 0.298333939234036 0.298333902882316
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1994-Nov-23 20:51 < 00:01 Earth 0.340927739835766
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1999-May-21 22:25 < 00:01 Earth 0.243718031204502
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2000-Nov-17 21:44 < 00:01 Earth 0.210760846125931
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2002-Jul-14 14:29 < 00:01 Mars 0.0397092838522757
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2005-Aug-12 17:25 < 00:01 Earth 0.357878974734086
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2005-Dec-16 06:46 < 00:01 Earth 0.483520697604214
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2010-Apr-19 12:20 < 00:01 Earth 0.0151942655127616
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2011-Nov-08 23:29 < 00:01 Earth 0.00217311132828466
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2011-Nov-09 07:14 < 00:01 Moon 0.00160225494414547
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2015-Apr-08 21:31 00:03 Earth 0.283460365623324 0.283305659029654
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2016-Nov-01 12:07 00:06 Earth 0.12385772216961 0.123628453042391
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2026-Nov-29 07:01 01:08 Earth 0.381884247713163 0.381464775460206
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2027-Oct-20 15:23 00:21 Venus 0.0885629677766823
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2029-Jan-19 18:50 00:41 Venus 0.00196485280302926
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2046-Nov-12 11:49 07:32 Earth 0.0946313729747333
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Brad Guth
2011-10-29 04:15:30 UTC
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Post by William Mook
According to O'Brien, NASA is engaged in MK-Ultra Monarch mind
control.
According to Hoagland, NASA has discovered ancient machinery
throughout the solar system - FROM ANCIENT EARTH CULTURES
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/p/1402/2P250825588EFFAW9...
According to Percy and Groves, the named astronauts didn't go to the
moon at all!
http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/what_happened_on_the_moon2.php
Check out 1:00:50 about the rocket's exhaust. I found that
compelling.
Why didn't the Soviets call us out? Good question.
Because they were doing the exact same thing, of protecting several
million public funded jobs and their version of benefits.
Post by William Mook
Because WE knew that Gagarin wasn't the first man in space.
<ugh!> Damn! Good answer! (Didn't expect that!)
haha - the only thing I know is that NASA does indeed stand for Never
A Straight Answer! lol.
The most reasonable explanation I have - given my prejudices on this
subject - is some of the photographic anomalies that stand the heat of
real analysis in the photographic record is that NASA released some
staged shots taken during training and some improved shots air brushed
or composited from an existing library of shots.
* * * * 2005 YU55 * * * *
I'm not in a position to do anything prior to 7:14 AM London time,
November 09 2011, but definitely by 9:31 PM London time April 08, 2015
something might be done. The distance of closest approach is expected
to be 147,300 miles - a distance of 85% between Earth and Moon this
November. The April encounter will bring the asteroid within 26
million miles of Earth in 2015.
Radar Imagehttp://www.currentscienceevent.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/astroid...
Looking down on ecliptichttp://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/images/2005_YU55_approach_movie.gif
Looking across ecliptichttp://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/images/2005_yu55b.jpg
The semi-major axis is nearly equal to that of Earth, so the
difference in velocities is rather small at closest approach, 4,047
mph according to my calculations despite its high eccentricity.
Aphelion 1.6329 AU
Perihelion 0.65241 AU
Semi-major axis 1.1427 AU
Eccentricity 0.42905
Orbital period 1.22 yr
Mean anomaly 26.094°
Inclination 0.51351°
Longitude of ascending node 39.304°
Argument of perihelion 268.79°
The object is a quarter mile in diameter according to Arecibo imaging
and is dark. It appears to be a C type asteroid - carbonaceous. Its
surface area is 125 acres. Its mass is 77,777,500 short tons
according to my calculations assuming an average density of 2.11x that
of water which is typical of the lightest C-type asteroids. It is
unlikely to be more than 127,908,900 short tons at 3.47x water
density, which is typical of the heaviest C-type asteroids
DENSITY
CI 2.11
CM 2.12 (± 0.26)
CR 3.1
CO 2.95 (± 0.11)
CV 2.95 (± 0.26)
CK 3.47 (± 0.02)
I think it's more nickel iron. (density closer to 8 g/cm3)
Post by William Mook
A change in speed slowing it by 3,500 mph could bring the asteroid
into the moon at a speed of about 5,000 mph. It would be falling
nearly radially at that point coming up from behind and down from
above the ecliptic - hitting in the crater Szilard on the Lunar back
side. The mass of the asteroid isn't large enough to make much of a
difference in the Moon's orbit.
http://cseligman.com/text/moons/moonfar.htm
This would require 8,700 short tons of Lithium-6 Deuteride to be
reacted in a fusion rocket attached to the asteroid and the alpha
particles ejected in the appropriate direction relative to the center
of gravity of the asteroid.
M.P.E.C. 2005-Y47 Issued 2005 Dec. 29,
12:43 UT
The Minor Planet Electronic Circulars contain information on
unusual
minor planets and routine data on comets. They are published
on behalf of Commission 20 of the International Astronomical Union
by the
Minor Planet Center, Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory,
Cambridge, MA 02138, U.S.A.
Supported in part by the Brinson Foundation
Supported in part by the TABASGO Foundation
Prepared using the Tamkin Foundation Computer Network
URLhttp://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/mpc.html ISSN 1523-6714
2005 YU55
Good grief!

How close is it going to get to our moon?
William Mook
2011-10-29 05:48:31 UTC
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Post by Brad Guth
Good grief!
How close is it going to get to our moon?
About 60,000 km. To get closer you have to fire the fusion rocket in
the right direction at the right time and at low enough thrust so it
doesnt cut through the body of the asteroid. If you start blasting
on 6th Nov 2011 at 1/376th gee in the right direction you'll run into
the moon's backside on Nov 11th Nov 2011. You won't come any closer
to Earth. You'll just move away slower. Slow enough and at a slight
angle change that allows the moon to grab it as it goes past.

Its passing Earth at 13.72 km/sec. If you wanted to have it drive
straight into Mare Crisium you would have to change the angle of its
approach by about 20 degrees. This requires a 4.7 km/sec delta vee
(10,491 mph) - slightly higher speed. Slightly more lithium-6
deuteride.

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/images/2005_YU55_approach_movie.gif

I think it would be cool to put it into Earth orbit at one of the
Lagrange points. That way you could mine it and it wouldn't have to
be hauled off the moon.

Here are some other close approaches;

RECENT CLOSE APPROACHES TO EARTH
1 AU = ~150 million kilometers
1 LD = Lunar Distance = ~384,000 kilometers

Object

Name Date Miss AU Miss LD Miss Diameter
Mag Velocity

(2011 SP70) 2011-Oct-24 0.1422 55.3 75 m - 170 m 22.7 12.45
(2011 UC64) 2011-Oct-24 0.0034 1.3 6.9 m - 15 m 27.9 14.02
(2011 UE10) 2011-Oct-24 0.0324 12.6 17 m - 38 m 25.9 5.25
(2011 UH10) 2011-Oct-24 0.0247 9.6 10 m - 23 m 27.0 4.92
(2011 UJ21) 2011-Oct-25 0.0398 15.5 46 m - 100 m 23.8 16.13
(2011 UL169) 2011-Oct-26 0.0018 0.7 5.9 m - 13 m 28.3 9.54
(2006 SP19) 2011-Oct-26 0.0906 35.3 33 m - 74 m 24.5 10.06
(1993 VD) 2011-Oct-26 0.0902 35.1 120 m - 280 m 21.7 19.58
(2011 UJ169) 2011-Oct-27 0.0464 18.1 24 m - 53 m 25.2 6.22
(2005 CJ) 2011-Oct-27 0.0818 31.9 240 m - 540 m 20.2 9.88

* Diameter estimates based on the object's absolute magnitude.

UPCOMING CLOSE APPROACHES TO EARTH
1 AU = ~150 million kilometers
1 LD = Lunar Distance = ~384,000 kilometers

Name Date Miss AU Miss LD Miss Diameter
Mag Velocity

(2011 UN91) 2011-Oct-28 0.0281 10.9 20 m - 44 m 25.6 14.94
(2011 LC19) 2011-Oct-29 0.0580 22.6 540 m - 1.2 km 18.5 14.54
(2011 UU63) 2011-Oct-30 0.0325 12.6 38 m - 85 m 24.2 14.60
(2010 VU98) 2011-Oct-31 0.0462 18.0 30 m - 68 m 24.7 10.22
(2011 UP63) 2011-Nov-01 0.0656 25.5 48 m - 110 m 23.7 6.49
(2011 UY114) 2011-Nov-01 0.1439 56.0 53 m - 120 m 23.5 4.92
(2011 TK) 2011-Nov-01 0.1350 52.5 150 m - 330 m 21.3 13.96
(2011 UD64) 2011-Nov-01 0.0281 10.9 23 m - 50 m 25.4 9.53
(2011 UD) 2011-Nov-06 0.1366 53.2 200 m - 460 m 20.6 22.42
(2009 VN1) 2011-Nov-06 0.1299 50.5 39 m - 88 m 24.2 13.61
(2011 UB131) 2011-Nov-06 0.1676 65.2 120 m - 260 m 21.8 21.69
(2011 UF10) 2011-Nov-07 0.1246 48.5 54 m - 120 m 23.5 6.12
(2011 FZ2) 2011-Nov-07 0.1950 75.9 980 m - 2.2 km 17.2 24.09
(2007 VF189) 2011-Nov-07 0.1217 47.4 5.7 m - 13 m 28.3 14.99
(2006 JY26) 2011-Nov-08 0.1208 47.0 5.7 m - 13 m 28.3 6.58
(2010 LM68) 2011-Nov-08 0.1861 72.4 180 m - 410 m 20.8 9.55
(2005 XB1) 2011-Nov-08 0.0742 28.9 120 m - 260 m 21.8 13.15
(2005 YU55) 2011-Nov-08 0.0022 0.8 400 m 21.9 13.72
(2004 VB61) 2011-Nov-09 0.1866 72.6 100 m - 230 m 22.0 6.28
(2011 TP6) 2011-Nov-10 0.0455 17.7 21 m - 46 m 25.6 2.80
(2008 UX) 2011-Nov-10 0.1463 56.9 190 m - 430 m 20.7 18.71
(1992 JD) 2011-Nov-11 0.1129 43.9 26 m - 59 m 25.0 7.72
(2008 NA) 2011-Nov-12 0.1634 63.6 48 m - 110 m 23.7 12.08
(2000 WN10) 2011-Nov-12 0.1318 51.3 270 m - 600 m 20.0 13.15
(2011 UZ114) 2011-Nov-12 0.0333 12.9 21 m - 46 m 25.5 7.56
(2002 SR41) 2011-Nov-13 0.1918 74.6 240 m - 550 m 20.2 11.64
(2011 UT91) 2011-Nov-14 0.0252 9.8 59 m - 130 m 23.3 12.29
(1994 CK1) 2011-Nov-16 0.1767 68.8 920 m - 2.1 km 17.3 13.10
(2010 WG3) 2011-Nov-17 0.1162 45.2 84 m - 190 m 22.5 8.33
(2006 US216) 2011-Nov-17 0.1958 76.2 290 m - 660 m 19.8 17.99
(2011 UH21) 2011-Nov-19 0.1199 46.7 69 m - 150 m 22.9 6.09
(2011 UB115) 2011-Nov-19 0.1586 61.7 45 m - 100 m 23.9 7.90
(2005 WS3) 2011-Nov-19 0.1216 47.3 160 m - 350 m 21.2 15.81
(2008 WL64) 2011-Nov-20 0.1634 63.6 500 m - 1.1 km 18.6 34.02
(2011 UA115) 2011-Nov-20 0.0386 15.0 30 m - 67 m 24.7 9.17
(1996 FG3) 2011-Nov-23 0.1014 39.5 670 m - 1.5 km 18.0 8.13
(2011 SR69) 2011-Nov-26 0.1143 44.5 270 m - 610 m 19.9 6.63
(2010 RJ43) 2011-Nov-26 0.1930 75.1 59 m - 130 m 23.3 10.66
(2008 KT) 2011-Nov-27 0.0674 26.2 6.0 m - 14 m 28.2 4.97
(1994 XL1) 2011-Nov-28 0.1182 46.0 180 m - 400 m 20.8 16.36
(2005 AN26) 2011-Nov-29 0.0918 35.7 550 m - 1.2 km 18.4 12.51
(2002 TZ66) 2011-Nov-30 0.1471 57.3 18 m - 39 m 25.9 4.30
(2004 JN1) 2011-Dec-01 0.1473 57.3 54 m - 120 m 23.5 8.96
(2006 WO3) 2011-Dec-01 0.1564 60.9 140 m - 300 m 21.5 13.38
(2011 KG4) 2011-Dec-03 0.0921 35.9 67 m - 150 m 23.0 12.52
(2003 XV) 2011-Dec-04 0.0262 10.2 12 m - 27 m 26.7 12.66
(2010 TK7) 2011-Dec-05 0.1991 77.5 200 m - 450 m 20.6 14.62
(2003 WM7) 2011-Dec-09 0.1224 47.6 960 m - 2.1 km 17.2 28.54
(2003 SS84) 2011-Dec-09 0.1723 67.0 120 m - 260 m 21.8 10.96
(2000 FJ10) 2011-Dec-09 0.1213 47.2 170 m - 390 m 20.9 4.90
(2009 VO24) 2011-Dec-12 0.1491 58.0 300 m - 680 m 19.7 14.33
(2004 BG41) 2011-Dec-14 0.0335 13.0 35 m - 77 m 24.4 8.36
(2011 GD60) 2011-Dec-15 0.1892 73.6 120 m - 270 m 21.7 4.92
(1999 XP35) 2011-Dec-20 0.1991 77.5 620 m - 1.4 km 18.2 11.15
(2008 YQ27) 2011-Dec-20 0.0991 38.6 81 m - 180 m 22.6 12.74
(2011 OV18) 2011-Dec-20 0.0496 19.3 290 m - 640 m 19.8 12.09
(2008 AF3) 2011-Dec-24 0.0915 35.6 14 m - 31 m 26.4 6.01
(2000 YA) 2011-Dec-26 0.0074 2.9 49 m - 110 m 23.7 13.62
(2001 YE4) 2011-Dec-26 0.0668 26.0 210 m - 460 m 20.6 10.79
(2009 WK1) 2011-Dec-26 0.1126 43.8 9.5 m - 21 m 27.2 7.41
(2011 SL102) 2011-Dec-28 0.1949 75.9 700 m - 1.6 km 17.9 6.02
(2003 AK18) 2011-Dec-28 0.0570 22.2 310 m - 700 m 19.6 11.67
(2004 XK50) 2011-Dec-29 0.1346 52.4 390 m - 880 m 19.2 26.38
(2000 CH59) 2011-Dec-29 0.1158 45.1 320 m - 710 m 19.6 9.59
(2011 ON24) 2011-Dec-30 0.1858 72.3 68 m - 150 m 23.0 9.36
(2009 KD5) 2011-Dec-31 0.1516 59.0 590 m - 1.3 km 18.3 8.83
(2002 AB2) 2012-Jan-01 0.1479 57.5 67 m - 150 m 23.0 10.15
(2007 AM) 2012-Jan-01 0.1906 74.2 130 m - 280 m 21.6 11.36
(2007 BD) 2012-Jan-02 0.0935 36.4 20 m - 45 m 25.6 9.40
(2004 FG29) 2012-Jan-02 0.1932 75.2 19 m - 41 m 25.8 20.55
(2003 AF23) 2012-Jan-04 0.0361 14.1 200 m - 460 m 20.6 16.18
(2008 SA) 2012-Jan-06 0.0563 21.9 26 m - 58 m 25.0 6.63
(1999 LS7) 2012-Jan-06 0.1379 53.7 190 m - 430 m 20.7 11.90
(2011 AC3) 2012-Jan-09 0.0765 29.8 89 m - 200 m 22.4 20.61
(2002 BF25) 2012-Jan-11 0.0677 26.3 82 m - 180 m 22.5 8.77
(2004 YD) 2012-Jan-12 0.1284 50.0 41 m - 92 m 24.1 8.45
(2005 BU) 2012-Jan-14 0.0517 20.1 13 m - 29 m 26.6 11.24
(2010 JK1) 2012-Jan-21 0.1644 64.0 35 m - 78 m 24.4 4.27
(2005 YO3) 2012-Jan-21 0.1265 49.2 25 m - 57 m 25.1 9.44
P/2006 T1 2012-Jan-21 0.1911 74.4 n/a 0.0 15.46
Brad Guth
2011-10-29 06:13:05 UTC
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Good grief!
How close is it going to get to our moon?
About 60,000 km.   To get closer you have to fire the fusion rocket in
the right direction at the right time and at low enough thrust so it
doesnt cut through the body of the asteroid.   If you start blasting
on 6th Nov 2011 at 1/376th gee in the right direction you'll run into
the moon's backside on Nov 11th Nov 2011.   You won't come any closer
to Earth.  You'll just move away slower.  Slow enough and at a slight
angle change that allows the moon to grab it as it goes past.
Its passing Earth at 13.72 km/sec.  If you wanted to have it drive
straight into Mare Crisium you would have to change the angle of its
approach by about 20 degrees.  This requires a 4.7 km/sec delta vee
(10,491 mph) - slightly higher speed. Slightly more lithium-6
deuteride.
http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/images/2005_YU55_approach_movie.gif
I think it would be cool to put it into Earth orbit at one of the
Lagrange points.  That way you could mine it and it wouldn't have to
be hauled off the moon.
Apparently this YU55 is also going to run slightly above our solar
system, although that's entirely based upon March 10th data that
hasn't been updated.

Is there a good reason why our NASA/JPL with our extremely spendy
supercomputers hasn’t been updating and sharing their best NEO
simulations that include our moon?
http://www.universetoday.com/85360/take-a-look-huge-asteroid-to-fly-by-earth-in-november/

If this YU55 asteroid arrives late, means it'll have a better chance
of hitting our moon, and if arriving somewhat latter yet it could
easily hit Earth. William Mook and a few others seem to be uncovering
information that our DARPA, NASA and JPL should know about, but
haven't been willing to share the best available data instead of their
outdated simulation via March 10th data.
http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news171.html
http://www.kashonia.com/summary/asteroid-yu-55-fema-pacific-tsunami-preparedness-exercise

If it arrived somewhat early and kept a little greater distance from
us would also put our moon within the window of impact risk In other
words, arriving too early or late is not a good option, so perhaps
that’s why the NASA/JPL simulation hasn’t been updated or otherwise
revised, perhaps because the one offered has been giving us the better
outcome of YU55 missing our moon.

So why are we being kept in the dark or as need-to-know by those we
employ and outfit to research, inform and protect us?

Why are those public funded supercomputers and their extremely
detailed orbital simulators that can easily take 1024 xyz moving
variables into account, still not accessible for public education and
running serious simulations?

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2011-11-05 00:25:07 UTC
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Apparently an asteroid such as YU55 with a dim surface albedo of .12
(that’s actually a good point more reflective than our moon), is
considered as “blacker than charcoal” is at odds with our physically
dark moon that’s on average a good 10% darker yet.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/04/us-space-asteroid-idUSTRE7A36FN20111104
“Previous studies show the asteroid, which is blacker than charcoal,
is what is called a C-type asteroid that is likely made of carbon-
based materials and some silicate rock.”

Good thing that our crack NASA/Apollo era of those extremely brave
guys with all that “right stuff” and unfiltered cameras never once
discovered any such physically dark moon, or at least they never once
managed to obtain anything remotely as physically dark via their rad-
hard and thermally immune Kodak film. Even their own LRO imaging
can’t seem to reconcile the physical darkness and strong contrast with
anything of those Apollo surface obtained images. Of course this only
means that none of our Apollo missions were ever recorded on Kodak
film as stipulated and certified by NASA.

Btw; if it’s being suggested that a telescope aperture of 6 inches
can manage to detect this 400 meter item, imagine what the 10.5 meter
(413 inch) likes of Keck can do at its maximum f40 and 395 meter focal
length, plus whatever projection magnification optics should be
capable of something better than 4 meter resolution. Of course they
might accidentally get images of our physically dark moon along with
the less dark YU55, or at least they could PhotoShop stack another
image of our moon using the exact same optics in order to give us a
perfectly good composite, and best if the moon was recorded in 4
colors by using narrow bandpass filters.

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Post by Warhol
First NASA now NOAA getting ready for what’s coming.
http://www.homelandsecurity.noaa.gov/Check_In.html
Exert;
If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site, please contact us as soon as possible to advise us
that you are safe and with a means of contacting you. This toll free
number can also be used by employees, their families, contractors and
friends to report the whereabouts of another NOAA employee or
contractor.
This responsibility strengthens the agency’s ability to prepare for,
respond to, and recover from terrorist attacks, major disasters, and
other emergencies by providing a unity of effort and the focal point
of contact for NOAA leadership, Department of Commerce (DOC), the
White House Homeland Security Council, Department of Homeland Security
(DHS), and other interagency partners.
"If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site"
The Plot thickens...... Interesting, and kind of creepy. They even
have an "order of succession" document in case of national
emergency ... ie., in case people at the top are killed. Ewwww...
And this while the Sky Turns BLOOD RED over Europe
What happens when 264 million tonnes encounters our moon at 13 km/sec?
Since our DARPA and NASA are kind of dysfunctional (preoccupied with
spewing their maximum PhotoShop eyecandy hype and otherwise into
desperate fund raising in order to keep their lights turned on), so
how about we get Mokaerospace (aka William Mook) for capturing this
YU55 for us, before it eventually does us more harm than good?
Gravity is the overall big-picture problem for us, because as is more
people seem to die because of encountering or having to deal with
gravity related issues than anything else (Pandora has the right
amount of gravity, as in hardly any).  Though locally there's not so
much gravity to fear as there could be actual shards of paramagnetic
basalt arriving from our moon, plus whatever parts from this arriving
asteroid that’ll be a little more attracted by the combined gravity of
Earth and our moon (once again proving that gravity is lethal).
Unfortunately, with a moon impact is where Earth will eventually get
to deal with 2/3 of it (again due to gravity, just like all them
dinosaurs had to pay the ultimate price due to gravity and that item
or several which impacted Earth).
This asteroid (2005 YU55) is arriving too damn fast to get captured as
another moon or LEO item, but it’s certainly capable of demonstrating
a method of capture should it have a glancing lithobraking encounter
with our moon.
No good reason to pass up this opportunity, whereas perhaps our crack
FEMA and NOAA are simply getting themselves prepared for a seriously
nasty big one (somewhat like our DoD and Pentagon were off playing war
games based upon a large commercial aircraft smacking into tall
buildings, on the exact same day as such was actually happening).
Does anyone here believe in Karma?
This one could become serious Warhol doom and gloom, and especially
doom worthy if this bad-boy trajectory should drift by any micro-
fraction of a degree and whack into our moon.
 http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/comet/20110502/comet20110502.gif
 http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/10/27/141768886/nasa-makes-f...
 http://www.universetoday.com/85360/take-a-look-huge-asteroid-to-fly-b...
 Perhaps this November 9th asteroid (2005 YU55) as a 400 meter
diameter worth of unknown mass (being that it’s so spherical could
suggest a rather solid item of mostly nickel iron), passing through at
38 km/sec (13.7 km/sec relative to Earth) with its NEO distance of
324,600 km could conceivably manage to hit our moon at 13 km/sec.  Too
bad the regular JPL asteroid NEO simulator can’t muster up any
specifics on how close it’ll get to our physically dark and naked
moon.  For the moment it looks as though it’ll miss the moon by
roughly a little more than 0.5 LD as depicted in this following link.
 http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/comet/20110502/comet20110502.gif
 No doubt we’ll see a little fine tuning with their graphic simulation
as it gets closer.  A moon impact would not give us much time if some
of the secondary shards are coming our way at 10+ km/sec, and of
course there’s even a slight chance of a glancing blow whereas this
hefty item mostly survives its lithobraking encounter and subsequently
becomes slowed down but otherwise more attracted to the Earth+moon
gravity well.
As far as anyone knows, this one has never gotten so close, so it’ll
be interesting to see how much revising of its NEO simulation takes
place, which should also tell us its mass.  If the worse should
happen, it’ll put one hell of a dent in our moon, either increasing
its orbital velocity by a fraction of a percent and/or causing a
slight rotation.  At 264 million tonnes impacting at 13 km/sec, what
could possibly go wrong?
Perhaps the largest solid fused shard of lunar paramagnetic basalt
that could be ejected at 2.5+ km/sec would be worth a million tonnes,
with the vast majority of moon debris items being worth 1000 tonnes
and smaller.
Kind of interesting in how the sheer dumb luck of this asteroid that’s
of considerable mass barely missing the moon is taken by our local FUD-
masters as yet a another clear sign that our DARPA and NASA know
exactly what they are doing.  Even their mostly Jewish puppet masters
seem rather pleased with themselves, because when and if this turns
ugly, I’m fairly certain they’ll find another way to blame Muslims.
The total potential energy applied from absorbing 264e6 tonnes at 13
km/sec is 4.46e19 Joules, and if 50% got applied is 2.23e19 Joules.
Most likely, due to the crater and ejected material the maximum energy
transferred by a glancing blow is going to be not greater than 1e19
Joules, or perhaps the minimum of merely 1e18 Joules.
The good news is that we’ll have perhaps at least a couple days before
those moon rocks start arriving, plus only a few years of arriving
shards to contend with, and most likely nothing individually bigger
than a million tonnes coming at us.
The moon moves around us with an energy potential of 7.69e28 Joules,
and thereby applying 1e19 Joules is not going to modify the existing
orbit of our moon by any perceptible amount, although it might cause a
very slight rotation and subsequent oscillation.  At a reasonably low
angle of attack it should only make an oblong or oval like crater of 4
km by 8 km by roughly 1 km deep, unless the impact is a more direct
hit.  Perhaps the worst impact angle will be that of 45 degrees,
because that’ll dislodge and launch the most mass of paramagnetic
basalt, whereas anything under 22.5 degrees and especially near a 10
degree glancing blow will insure that most of the YU55 will remain as
a more certain return threat that we can all look forward to.
Since China seems to have demonstrated their leading expertise at
nailing distant moving objects, we could only hope that their long-
range capable talent and technology could place a sufficient nuclear
detonation of 10+ megatons in the path and triggered directly along
side of that asteroid, so as to slightly divert it for good, or at
least getting it to only impact the farside of our moon, because any
nearside impact or glancing blow could become extremely problematic
for us.
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Warhol
2011-11-05 00:55:35 UTC
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Meteor Strike in Alabama?!

This happened near where I live about a week ago. Calling all
knowledgeable Astronomer readers.. If it isn't a meteor, what could it
be?

http://www.thestclairtimes.com/view/full_story/16245092/article-Did-meteor-fall-from-sky-in-Pell-City-?instance=lead_story_left_column

So, if YU55 was on a course to hit the moon or the earth, do you think
they would tell us?
Post by Brad Guth
Apparently an asteroid such as YU55 with a dim surface albedo of .12
(that’s actually a good point more reflective than our moon), is
considered as “blacker than charcoal” is at odds with our physically
dark moon that’s on average a good 10% darker yet.
 http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/04/us-space-asteroid-idUSTRE7A...
 “Previous studies show the asteroid, which is blacker than charcoal,
is what is called a C-type asteroid that is likely made of carbon-
based materials and some silicate rock.”
Good thing that our crack NASA/Apollo era of those extremely brave
guys with all that “right stuff” and unfiltered cameras never once
discovered any such physically dark moon, or at least they never once
managed to obtain anything remotely as physically dark via their rad-
hard and thermally immune Kodak film.  Even their own LRO imaging
can’t seem to reconcile the physical darkness and strong contrast with
anything of those Apollo surface obtained images.  Of course this only
means that none of our Apollo missions were ever recorded on Kodak
film as stipulated and certified by NASA.
Btw;  if it’s being suggested that a telescope aperture of 6 inches
can manage to detect this 400 meter item, imagine what the 10.5 meter
(413 inch) likes of Keck can do at its maximum f40 and 395 meter focal
length, plus whatever projection magnification optics should be
capable of something better than 4 meter resolution.  Of course they
might accidentally get images of our physically dark moon along with
the less dark YU55, or at least they could PhotoShop stack another
image of our moon using the exact same optics in order to give us a
perfectly good composite, and best if the moon was recorded in 4
colors by using narrow bandpass filters.
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Post by Warhol
First NASA now NOAA getting ready for what’s coming.
http://www.homelandsecurity.noaa.gov/Check_In.html
Exert;
If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site, please contact us as soon as possible to advise us
that you are safe and with a means of contacting you. This toll free
number can also be used by employees, their families, contractors and
friends to report the whereabouts of another NOAA employee or
contractor.
This responsibility strengthens the agency’s ability to prepare for,
respond to, and recover from terrorist attacks, major disasters, and
other emergencies by providing a unity of effort and the focal point
of contact for NOAA leadership, Department of Commerce (DOC), the
White House Homeland Security Council, Department of Homeland Security
(DHS), and other interagency partners.
"If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site"
The Plot thickens...... Interesting, and kind of creepy. They even
have an "order of succession" document in case of national
emergency ... ie., in case people at the top are killed. Ewwww...
And this while the Sky Turns BLOOD RED over Europe
What happens when 264 million tonnes encounters our moon at 13 km/sec?
Since our DARPA and NASA are kind of dysfunctional (preoccupied with
spewing their maximum PhotoShop eyecandy hype and otherwise into
desperate fund raising in order to keep their lights turned on), so
how about we get Mokaerospace (aka William Mook) for capturing this
YU55 for us, before it eventually does us more harm than good?
Gravity is the overall big-picture problem for us, because as is more
people seem to die because of encountering or having to deal with
gravity related issues than anything else (Pandora has the right
amount of gravity, as in hardly any).  Though locally there's not so
much gravity to fear as there could be actual shards of paramagnetic
basalt arriving from our moon, plus whatever parts from this arriving
asteroid that’ll be a little more attracted by the combined gravity of
Earth and our moon (once again proving that gravity is lethal).
Unfortunately, with a moon impact is where Earth will eventually get
to deal with 2/3 of it (again due to gravity, just like all them
dinosaurs had to pay the ultimate price due to gravity and that item
or several which impacted Earth).
This asteroid (2005 YU55) is arriving too damn fast to get captured as
another moon or LEO item, but it’s certainly capable of demonstrating
a method of capture should it have a glancing lithobraking encounter
with our moon.
No good reason to pass up this opportunity, whereas perhaps our crack
FEMA and NOAA are simply getting themselves prepared for a seriously
nasty big one (somewhat like our DoD and Pentagon were off playing war
games based upon a large commercial aircraft smacking into tall
buildings, on the exact same day as such was actually happening).
Does anyone here believe in Karma?
This one could become serious Warhol doom and gloom, and especially
doom worthy if this bad-boy trajectory should drift by any micro-
fraction of a degree and whack into our moon.
 http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/comet/20110502/comet20110502.gif
 http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/10/27/141768886/nasa-makes-f...
 http://www.universetoday.com/85360/take-a-look-huge-asteroid-to-fly-b...
 Perhaps this November 9th asteroid (2005 YU55) as a 400 meter
diameter worth of unknown mass (being that it’s so spherical could
suggest a rather solid item of mostly nickel iron), passing through at
38 km/sec (13.7 km/sec relative to Earth) with its NEO distance of
324,600 km could conceivably manage to hit our moon at 13 km/sec.  Too
bad the regular JPL asteroid NEO simulator can’t muster up any
specifics on how close it’ll get to our physically dark and naked
moon.  For the moment it looks as though it’ll miss the moon by
roughly a little more than 0.5 LD as depicted in this following link.
 http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/comet/20110502/comet20110502.gif
 No doubt we’ll see a little fine tuning with their graphic simulation
as it gets closer.  A moon impact would not give us much time if some
of the secondary shards are coming our way at 10+ km/sec, and of
course there’s even a slight chance of a glancing blow whereas this
hefty item mostly survives its lithobraking encounter and subsequently
becomes slowed down but otherwise more attracted to the Earth+moon
gravity well.
As far as anyone knows, this one has never gotten so close, so it’ll
be interesting to see how much revising of its NEO simulation takes
place, which should also tell us its mass.  If the worse should
happen, it’ll put one hell of a dent in our moon, either increasing
its orbital velocity by a fraction of a percent and/or causing a
slight rotation.  At 264 million tonnes impacting at 13 km/sec, what
could possibly go wrong?
Perhaps the largest solid fused shard of lunar paramagnetic basalt
that could be ejected at 2.5+ km/sec would be worth a million tonnes,
with the vast majority of moon debris items being worth 1000 tonnes
and smaller.
Kind of interesting in how the sheer dumb luck of this asteroid that’s
of considerable mass barely missing the moon is taken by our local FUD-
masters as yet a another clear sign that our DARPA and NASA know
exactly what they are doing.  Even their mostly Jewish puppet masters
seem rather pleased with themselves, because when and if this turns
ugly, I’m fairly certain they’ll find another way to blame Muslims.
The total potential energy applied from absorbing 264e6 tonnes at 13
km/sec is 4.46e19 Joules, and if 50% got applied is 2.23e19 Joules.
Most likely, due to the crater and ejected material the maximum energy
transferred by a glancing blow is going to be not greater than 1e19
Joules, or perhaps the minimum of merely 1e18 Joules.
The good news is that we’ll have perhaps at least a couple days before
those moon rocks start arriving, plus only a few years of arriving
shards to contend with, and most likely nothing individually bigger
than a million tonnes coming at us.
The moon moves around us with an energy potential of 7.69e28 Joules,
and thereby applying 1e19 Joules is not going to modify the existing
orbit of our moon by any perceptible amount, although it might cause a
very slight rotation and subsequent oscillation.  At a reasonably low
angle of attack it should only make an oblong or oval like crater of 4
km by 8 km by roughly 1 km deep, unless the impact is a more direct
hit.  Perhaps the worst impact angle will be that of 45 degrees,
because that’ll dislodge and launch the most mass of paramagnetic
basalt, whereas anything under 22.5 degrees and especially near a 10
degree glancing blow will insure that most of the YU55 will remain as
a more certain return threat that we can all look forward to.
Since China seems to have demonstrated their leading expertise at
nailing distant moving objects, we could only hope that their long-
range capable talent and technology could place a sufficient nuclear
detonation of 10+ megatons in the path and triggered directly along
side of that asteroid, so as to slightly divert it for good, or at
least getting it to only impact the farside of our moon, because any
nearside impact or glancing blow could become extremely problematic
for us.
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Brad Guth
2011-11-05 01:08:12 UTC
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Post by Warhol
Meteor Strike in Alabama?!
This happened near where I live about a week ago. Calling all
knowledgeable Astronomer readers.. If it isn't a meteor, what could it
be?
http://www.thestclairtimes.com/view/full_story/16245092/article-Did-m...
So, if YU55 was on a course to hit the moon or the earth, do you think
they would tell us?
Sure thing, because our NASA/JPL isn't the only resource for such
orbital mechanics, although a minor impact of something 1% the mass of
YU55 could easily make an unscheduled diversion of the trajectory.
Supposedly that's not expected, so impacting our moon isn't likely
(especially at this late date).

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Warhol
2011-11-05 02:02:19 UTC
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Post by Warhol
This happened near where I live about a week ago. Calling all
knowledgeable Astronomer readers.. If it isn't a meteor, what could it
be?
http://www.thestclairtimes.com/view/full_story/16245092/article-Did-m...
So, if YU55 was on a course to hit the moon or the earth, do you think
they would tell us?
Sure thing, because our NASA/JPL isn't the only resource for such
orbital mechanics, although a minor impact of something 1% the mass of
YU55 could easily make an unscheduled diversion of the trajectory.
Supposedly that's not expected, so impacting our moon isn't likely
(especially at this late date).
 http://translate.google.com/#
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They didn't prepare the people for what is about to transpire on
Planet Earth...

Neither the education system, the religious or belief systems has
prepared people for what is about to transpire on this planet.

In case the coffee boys didn't get the message, here it is

"YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO YOUR ENTIRE LIVES"

man did NOT prepare himself for what is about to happen, what a fool
he has been.
Brad Guth
2011-11-05 03:35:29 UTC
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Post by Warhol
Post by Brad Guth
Post by Warhol
This happened near where I live about a week ago. Calling all
knowledgeable Astronomer readers.. If it isn't a meteor, what could it
be?
http://www.thestclairtimes.com/view/full_story/16245092/article-Did-m...
So, if YU55 was on a course to hit the moon or the earth, do you think
they would tell us?
Sure thing, because our NASA/JPL isn't the only resource for such
orbital mechanics, although a minor impact of something 1% the mass of
YU55 could easily make an unscheduled diversion of the trajectory.
Supposedly that's not expected, so impacting our moon isn't likely
(especially at this late date).
 http://translate.google.com/#
 Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”
They didn't prepare the people for what is about to transpire on
Planet Earth...
Neither the education system, the religious or belief systems has
prepared people for what is about to transpire on this planet.
In case the coffee boys didn't get the message, here it is
"YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO YOUR ENTIRE LIVES"
man did NOT prepare himself for what is about to happen, what a fool
he has been.
Can't argue against that one. William Mook would also agree with that.
Warhol
2011-11-05 06:42:41 UTC
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Post by Warhol
Post by Brad Guth
Post by Warhol
This happened near where I live about a week ago. Calling all
knowledgeable Astronomer readers.. If it isn't a meteor, what could it
be?
http://www.thestclairtimes.com/view/full_story/16245092/article-Did-m...
So, if YU55 was on a course to hit the moon or the earth, do you think
they would tell us?
Sure thing, because our NASA/JPL isn't the only resource for such
orbital mechanics, although a minor impact of something 1% the mass of
YU55 could easily make an unscheduled diversion of the trajectory.
Supposedly that's not expected, so impacting our moon isn't likely
(especially at this late date).
 http://translate.google.com/#
 Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”
They didn't prepare the people for what is about to transpire on
Planet Earth...
Neither the education system, the religious or belief systems has
prepared people for what is about to transpire on this planet.
In case the coffee boys didn't get the message, here it is
"YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO YOUR ENTIRE LIVES"
man did NOT prepare himself for what is about to happen, what a fool
he has been.
Can't argue against that one.  William Mook would also agree with that.
in-meantime... We are being lied to and the danger is real.

Thousands report meteor streaking over skies of West Michigan, North
Central Florida and Canada

http://blogs.woodtv.com/2011/11/04/meteor-shooting-star-2/

yahoo news story on 2005YU55

http://au.news.yahoo.com/tech-news/a/-/technology/11368201/huge-asteroid-headed-for-close-encounter-with-earth/

And here cnbc incoming... Does it have the look of a coded message?
Much like POW might give to media?

Richard
2011-11-07 12:34:39 UTC
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Post by Warhol
Post by Warhol
Post by Brad Guth
Post by Warhol
This happened near where I live about a week ago. Calling all
knowledgeable Astronomer readers.. If it isn't a meteor, what could it
be?
http://www.thestclairtimes.com/view/full_story/16245092/article-Did-m...
So, if YU55 was on a course to hit the moon or the earth, do you think
they would tell us?
Sure thing, because our NASA/JPL isn't the only resource for such
orbital mechanics, although a minor impact of something 1% the mass of
YU55 could easily make an unscheduled diversion of the trajectory.
Supposedly that's not expected, so impacting our moon isn't likely
(especially at this late date).
 http://translate.google.com/#
 Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”
They didn't prepare the people for what is about to transpire on
Planet Earth...
Neither the education system, the religious or belief systems has
prepared people for what is about to transpire on this planet.
In case the coffee boys didn't get the message, here it is
"YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO YOUR ENTIRE LIVES"
man did NOT prepare himself for what is about to happen, what a fool
he has been.
Can't argue against that one.  William Mook would also agree with that.
in-meantime... We are being lied to and the danger is real.
Thousands report meteor streaking over skies of West Michigan, North
Central Florida and Canada
http://blogs.woodtv.com/2011/11/04/meteor-shooting-star-2/
yahoo news story on 2005YU55
http://au.news.yahoo.com/tech-news/a/-/technology/11368201/huge-aster...
And here cnbc incoming... Does it have the look of a coded message?
Much like POW might give to http://youtu.be/eL_MPV7g_8I
On 1/1/2013, when the so called end of days is shown to be another
bullshit show by ignorant whack jobs such as yourself, will you kindly
do us all a favor and commit suicide and report back your findings
after crossing over?
Brad Guth
2011-11-07 15:25:33 UTC
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Post by Warhol
Post by Warhol
Post by Brad Guth
Post by Warhol
This happened near where I live about a week ago. Calling all
knowledgeable Astronomer readers.. If it isn't a meteor, what could it
be?
http://www.thestclairtimes.com/view/full_story/16245092/article-Did-m...
So, if YU55 was on a course to hit the moon or the earth, do you think
they would tell us?
Sure thing, because our NASA/JPL isn't the only resource for such
orbital mechanics, although a minor impact of something 1% the mass of
YU55 could easily make an unscheduled diversion of the trajectory.
Supposedly that's not expected, so impacting our moon isn't likely
(especially at this late date).
 http://translate.google.com/#
 Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”
They didn't prepare the people for what is about to transpire on
Planet Earth...
Neither the education system, the religious or belief systems has
prepared people for what is about to transpire on this planet.
In case the coffee boys didn't get the message, here it is
"YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO YOUR ENTIRE LIVES"
man did NOT prepare himself for what is about to happen, what a fool
he has been.
Can't argue against that one.  William Mook would also agree with that.
in-meantime... We are being lied to and the danger is real.
Thousands report meteor streaking over skies of West Michigan, North
Central Florida and Canada
http://blogs.woodtv.com/2011/11/04/meteor-shooting-star-2/
yahoo news story on 2005YU55
http://au.news.yahoo.com/tech-news/a/-/technology/11368201/huge-aster...
And here cnbc incoming... Does it have the look of a coded message?
Much like POW might give to http://youtu.be/eL_MPV7g_8I
In reality our NASA is reactive, not proactive.

Since we really can't do anything about the trajectory of any 400+
meter asteroid, all that our NASA can do is PR spin and hype as though
they had something to do with preventing our demise.

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William Mook
2011-12-16 05:25:30 UTC
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Post by Brad Guth
Post by Warhol
This happened near where I live about a week ago. Calling all
knowledgeable Astronomer readers.. If it isn't a meteor, what could it
be?
http://www.thestclairtimes.com/view/full_story/16245092/article-Did-m...
So, if YU55 was on a course to hit the moon or the earth, do you think
they would tell us?
Sure thing, because our NASA/JPL isn't the only resource for such
orbital mechanics, although a minor impact of something 1% the mass of
YU55 could easily make an unscheduled diversion of the trajectory.
Supposedly that's not expected, so impacting our moon isn't likely
(especially at this late date).
 http://translate.google.com/#
 Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”
They didn't prepare the people for what is about to transpire on
Planet Earth...
Neither the education system, the religious or belief systems has
prepared people for what is about to transpire on this planet.
In case the coffee boys didn't get the message, here it is
"YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO YOUR ENTIRE LIVES"
man did NOT prepare himself for what is about to happen, what a fool
he has been.
Can't argue against that one.  WilliamMookwould also agree with that.
The Matrix - you are a slave


Through the Matrix


Much of what we think is in short supply is not. Materials and
energy are available all around us. All we need is to tap it.


Element Demandite Nonfuel 10.38 23.70 kg/m3 m3/yr

Carbon 0.3551 0.0574 3.6859 8.4159 Soil 55 67.017
Hydrogen 0.0763 0.0025 0.7920 1.8083 Air 0.001333 593,995
Silicon 0.1355 0.2444 1.4065 3.2114 Soil 682 2.062
Oxygen 0.2217 0.4547 2.3012 5.2543 Soil
Iron 0.0797 0.0479 0.8273 1.8889 Soil 57.2 14.463
Aluminum 0.0039 0.0023 0.0405 0.0924 Soil 158.4 0.256
Magnesium 0.0013 0.0017 0.0135 0.0308 Soil 19.8 0.682
Copper 0.0033 0.0020 0.0343 0.0782 Soil 0.055 622.800
Manganese 0.0057 0.0030 0.0592 0.1351 Soil 1.21 48.898
Calcium 0.0473 0.1417 0.4910 1.1210 Soil 52.8 9.299
Sodium 0.0158 0.0095 0.1640 0.3745 Sea Water 26.4 6.212
Sulfur 0.0095 0.0058 0.0986 0.2252 Soil 3.52 28.014
Potassium 0.0036 0.0021 0.0374 0.0853 Soil 33 1.132
Phosphorus 0.0032 0.0019 0.0332 0.0758 Soil 0.946 35.112
Chlorine 0.0244 0.147 0.2533 0.5783 Sea Water
Nitrogen 0.0138 0.0083 0.1432 0.3271 Air 0.000017784 8,054,655

Lithium runs 5 to 140 ppm with a mean of 24 ppm. Soil then has an
average of 30 grams of lithium per cubic meter - assuming an average
density of 1,280 kg per cubic meter. At 7.5% lithium-6 isotope
constitutes 2.3 grams of this total. Enough to make 3.1 grams of
lithium-6 deuteride.

Water is 11% water. So a cubic meter of water contains 110 kg of
hydrogen. About 1 in 6000 hydrogen atoms is the deuterium isotope.
So, 18.3 grams of deuterium are contained in a cubic meter of water.
Enough deuterium to make 73.2 grams of lithium-6 deuteride.

A cubic meter of water contains enough deuterium to process 23.6 cubic
meters of soil into 73.2 grams of lithium-6 deuteride.

Soil that is 3% moisture content or greater has enough lithium-6 and
deuterium to provide significant power.

A gram of lithium-6 deuteride contains 268.3 GJ - about 44 barrels of
crude oil equivalent. 73.2 grams of lithium-6 deuteride contains
19,640 GJ - about 3,220 barrels of crude oil equivalent.

This is more than 1,000x enough energy to process the 25 cubic meters
of wet soil into their elemental form and reassemble them into the
forms needed. This is a cube 3 meters (10 ft) on a side. Its also
plenty of energy to reduce all waste products to elemental form as
well, to recycle 100% everything we use.

A 100 MW power plant is enough to drive a sub-terrene that is 20
meters in diameter through solid rock at several hundred meters per
hour.

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10 m x 10 m x pi = 314.15 m2 Area
100 m/hour x 314.15 m2 = 31,415 m3 per hour.

This extracts enough lithium-6 deuteride to provide 24.6 million GJ of
energy, and uses only 360 GJ of energy. That's 4 million barrels of
crude oil equivalent every 100 meters - produced every hour!

A single boring machine extracts enough lithium-6 deuteride to provide
for ALL the world's energy needs.

This includes extruding all the glass, iron, aluminum, copper, and
everything else needed to support the entire world as well.

A single machine moving 2.5 km/day completes an entire city of 1
million in 120 days. Over this period it produces five daughter
machines, and sheds parts of itself at the end, so that six daughter
machines head out in 6 different directions from the city. The
daughter machines grow as they move radially outward from the city,
building roads, maglevs, pipelines, wires, canals along the way - and
grow along the way as well. They reach another city point - and build
another city - and repeat the process.

In less than 2 years 7,200 cities of 1 million are built - and
sufficient power raw materials and everything else is available in
abundance.

These versions build cities AT the surface so that buildings rooted in
the Earth extend above the surface while extracting needed materials
from the surface.
William Mook
2011-12-19 04:55:48 UTC
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42 milligrams of lithium-6 deuteride in a ball 4.6 mm in diameter
releases 11.4 MJ of energy within a sphere of water contained in a PET
container 220 mm in diameter. The base of this container has a 180
mm diameter paraboloid of revolution stamped aluminum plate shell
coated with a shaped explosive charge.

When detonated the shaped charge focuses energy onto the fusion fuel.
A neutron blast from a tiny 5 mm diameter spherical shell tamper which
releases an reflects neutrons onto the lithium deuteride core when
compressed. These neutrons initiate a Jetter cycle detonation of the
Li-6 Deuteride. The alphas are efficiently absorbed in water which is
converted into a jet of steam at 8 atmospheres absolute, containing
11.6 MJ of energy. This steam is released into a steam line which
powers a steam turbine.

The system consists of two chambers that are reloaded at a rate of
once very 40 seconds to produce 200 kW electrical to once every 0.2
seconds to produce 20 MW electrical.

The cost of the containers in quantity is $0.07- which translates to
$0.02 per kWh.

The steam turbine generator costs $500,000 used, and another $180,000
to fix up. The loading mechanism and controls, and steam generator/
handler, costs $80,000 to build. The ICF pellet manufacturing supply
chain cost a few million. The water bottling system, bottle maker
including shaped charge manufacturing a few million more.

A building 33 m x 44 m x 3 m contains a 25 week supply of pellets to
operate a 20 MW along with the generator. A standard semi-truck
maintains supply levels with deliveries once every 10 days. Water is
added to the system from a local source and is not shipped. Since the
detonators require water to operate, the system is inactivated without
water. Water isn't added until insertion into the generator.

At 20 MW, the system can supply 2,000 homes peak demand. Off peak
surplus power can also supply hydrogen gas made from atmospheric CO2.
This is used for heating and cooking. It is also used to power
hydrogen automobiles like the BMW Hydrogen 7. Enough gas to supply
2,000 homes and 3,000 vehicles is produced.

Hydrogen comes from H2O supplied to the system. The hydrogen is
produced from water via electrolysis using the surplus power from the
20 MW system which runs at a constant power output. The production of
hydrogen is varied to make up the difference between instantaneous
demand and the 20 MW continuous output.

Each home pays $146.10 per month for electricity, gas and vehicle
fuel.

In a country like New Zealand 430 units provide enough power and fuel
for ALL people in the country.
William Mook
2011-12-19 09:15:21 UTC
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The Jetter cycle is really interesting.

Li-6 plus a neutron produces He-4 plus Tritium at 4.8 MeV

Now, Tritium at several MeV have enough energy to fuse promptly with
Deuterium and;

Tritium plus Deuterium produces He-4 plus a neutron at 17.6 MeV

So, the reaction looks like this;

Li-6 + n ---> T + 4.8 MeV

17.6 MeV + He-4 + n <--- T + D

The presence of neutrons catalyzes the reaction at standard
conditions! Which is pretty cool. So, by putting a neutron
initiator in, and doing an ICF like compression to minimize radiative
and neutron losses, gets a fission free micro-fusion grenade! There
are neutrons, but done quickly enough, in a dense enough media under
compression, the neutrons are efficiently absorbed by the reaction.

So, the Voitenko compressor doesn't have to achieve the temperatures
and pressures suggested by the Lawson criterion without neutron
mediation. It must achieve a far more mild condition depending on
neutron flux, which can be created by an appropriate tamp around the
Lithium deuteride fuel pellet during compression.

Since Helium-4 (alpha particles) don't penetrate far - even in air -
they are nearly an ideal way to energize well defined quantities of
matter to well defined energies for use in a wide variety of engines
and generators.

Putting garbage around a small fuel pellet that creates a well defined
plasma, allows the use of electric or magnetic fields to separate the
garbage into component atoms - separated by mass.

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Here instead of obtaining a signal, the ion source is so inexpensive
in terms of energy (only $0.02 per 11.4 MJ) a metric ton of garbage
or dirt can be reduced very efficiently to isotopic purity for $10!

With raw materials available this cheaply, the cost of the fuels
(lithium and deuterium) used will drop driving the costs down even
further.

The use of jets of energetic alpha particles to vaporize and process
rock allows the creation of a fusion powered sub-terrene that is
capable of creating any material or product from the rock and dirt it
processes.
Brad Guth
2011-12-19 13:19:01 UTC
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Post by William Mook
The Jetter cycle is really interesting.
    Li-6 plus a neutron produces He-4 plus Tritium at 4.8 MeV
Now, Tritium at several MeV have enough energy to fuse promptly with
Deuterium and;
   Tritium plus Deuterium produces He-4 plus a neutron at 17.6 MeV
So, the reaction looks like this;
                           Li-6 + n --->  T + 4.8 MeV
     17.6 MeV +  He-4 + n  <--- T + D
The presence of neutrons catalyzes the reaction at standard
conditions!  Which is pretty cool.   So, by putting a neutron
initiator in, and doing an ICF like compression to minimize radiative
and neutron losses, gets a fission free micro-fusion grenade!   There
are neutrons, but done quickly enough, in a dense enough media under
compression, the neutrons are efficiently absorbed by the reaction.
So, the Voitenko compressor doesn't have to achieve the temperatures
and pressures suggested by the Lawson criterion without neutron
mediation.  It must achieve a far more mild condition depending on
neutron flux, which can be created by an appropriate tamp around the
Lithium deuteride fuel pellet during compression.
Since Helium-4 (alpha particles) don't penetrate far - even in air -
they are nearly an ideal way to energize well defined quantities of
matter to well defined energies for use in a wide variety of engines
and generators.
Putting garbage around a small fuel pellet that creates a well defined
plasma, allows the use of electric or magnetic fields to separate the
garbage into component atoms - separated by mass.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Mass_spectro...
Here instead of obtaining a signal, the ion source is so inexpensive
in terms of energy (only $0.02 per 11.4 MJ)  a metric ton of garbage
or dirt can be reduced very efficiently to isotopic purity for $10!
With raw materials available this cheaply, the cost of the fuels
(lithium and deuterium) used will drop driving the costs down even
further.
The use of jets of energetic alpha particles to vaporize and process
rock allows the creation of a fusion powered sub-terrene that is
capable of creating any material or product from the rock and dirt it
processes.
Good grief. Getting back down to the dull roar of what we can
actually accomplish without our having to molecular replicate
everything from scratch, might actually be worth doing.

Your cheap hydrogen and secondary byproduct of oxygen via solar energy
farming is way more than good enough, so why not just stick with that
one?

Our physically dark moon and the extremely nearby planet Venus may
each seem a wee bit extreme for going off-world on behalf of
sustaining our global energy and metallicity demands, but this may be
our only failsafe way out of this hydrocarbon addiction plus multiple
other resource depletions. Even though Mook can show us where much
cleaner and more efficient terrestrial methods for obtaining natural
solar renewable hydrogen plus otherwise creating quality synfuels from
coal is technically doable, it seems the social/political
infrastructure either hasn’t willing or perhaps isn’t capable of
changing course.

As is the energy dependent world spills, leaks and/or via blowouts has
managed to pollute the surface and oceans with over a billion barrels
worth of crude oil per year, and the vast majority of which does not
get cleaned up or otherwise salvaged, plus likewise a hundred trillion
cubic meters of natural gas leakage including whatever’s intentionally
getting raw vented as well as via extensive flaring and the natural
gas industry consumption plus numerous volumetric forms of wastage is
getting dumped into the atmosphere as raw gasses plus its combustion
derived CO2, NOx and of course the radiological decay produced element
of helium(He) that always passes through is not insignificant. Adding
in the all-inclusive coal usage, and it doesn’t take a rocket
scientist to figure out that our terrestrial resources of hydrocarbon
energy is systematically killing us, as well as bankrupting us.

The considerable loss of helium alone should have been given some
consideration on behalf of conserving that and a few other valuable
elements of raw natural gas as of decades ago, but instead our K12s
and most others don’t seem to care or have any clue, much less
investigative motivation to find out how much tonnage of helium per
year our world is losing track of.

The OCO mission was going to help quantify what is naturally and
artificially polluting our atmosphere, as well as other satellites
packing sufficient instruments for tracking and quantifying land and
sea pollutions, although each time they seem to get either foiled or
discredited to the point that we still have no good real-time idea as
to our global situation, and because Big Energy with their all-
inclusive contributions are not very good nor all that trustworthy at
keeping records as to monitoring their global contributions because,
only the final portion of whatever gets to the final end-user seems to
count, whereas the all-inclusive volumes taken in order to get that
final end-use product delivered are typically not being accounted for.

As long as this mainstream energy status-quo is not allowed to change
for the better, plus China demanding their fair share of hydrocarbon
derived energy, means that we’d best get with the off-world program of
taking from our moon and Venus, in that each of those seem to have
lots of metallicity and energy to spare.

Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
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https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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William Mook
2011-12-19 18:32:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by William Mook
The Jetter cycle is really interesting.
    Li-6 plus a neutron produces He-4 plus Tritium at 4.8 MeV
Now, Tritium at several MeV have enough energy to fuse promptly with
Deuterium and;
   Tritium plus Deuterium produces He-4 plus a neutron at 17.6 MeV
So, the reaction looks like this;
                           Li-6 + n --->  T + 4.8 MeV
     17.6 MeV +  He-4 + n  <--- T + D
The presence of neutrons catalyzes the reaction at standard
conditions!  Which is pretty cool.   So, by putting a neutron
initiator in, and doing an ICF like compression to minimize radiative
and neutron losses, gets a fission free micro-fusion grenade!   There
are neutrons, but done quickly enough, in a dense enough media under
compression, the neutrons are efficiently absorbed by the reaction.
So, the Voitenko compressor doesn't have to achieve the temperatures
and pressures suggested by the Lawson criterion without neutron
mediation.  It must achieve a far more mild condition depending on
neutron flux, which can be created by an appropriate tamp around the
Lithium deuteride fuel pellet during compression.
Since Helium-4 (alpha particles) don't penetrate far - even in air -
they are nearly an ideal way to energize well defined quantities of
matter to well defined energies for use in a wide variety of engines
and generators.
Putting garbage around a small fuel pellet that creates a well defined
plasma, allows the use of electric or magnetic fields to separate the
garbage into component atoms - separated by mass.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Mass_spectro...
Here instead of obtaining a signal, the ion source is so inexpensive
in terms of energy (only $0.02 per 11.4 MJ)  a metric ton of garbage
or dirt can be reduced very efficiently to isotopic purity for $10!
With raw materials available this cheaply, the cost of the fuels
(lithium and deuterium) used will drop driving the costs down even
further.
The use of jets of energetic alpha particles to vaporize and process
rock allows the creation of a fusion powered sub-terrene that is
capable of creating any material or product from the rock and dirt it
processes.
Good grief.  Getting back down to the dull roar of what we can
actually accomplish without our having to molecular replicate
everything from scratch, might actually be worth doing.
I find if you take care of the molecules, the products take care of
themselves.
Your cheap hydrogen and secondary byproduct of oxygen via solar energy
farming is way more than good enough, so why not just stick with that
one?
Why are you making a false choice? Just because you make your own
stars, doesn't mean you cannot use natural ones.
Our physically dark moon
Go out on any dark night where the full moon is out. Look up at the
full moon. You may notice something peculiar. Its not dark at all.
and the extremely nearby planet Venus
Only when we're on the same side of the Sun. If Mars is on the same
side of the Sun as Earth and Venus opposite, then Mars is nearer.
may
each seem a wee bit extreme for going off-world on behalf of
sustaining our global energy and metallicity demands,
The cost of raw materials are tied to the cost of energy. Lower the
cost of energy to the too cheap to meter range, and all material
problems disappear. This means capturing energy radiated by stars.
Either natural stars like the Sun, or artificial stars like an
efficient ICF explosion.

It takes energy to process garbage, which contains materials in the
precise amounts we need. It takes more energy to process dirt which
contains materials not in the precise amounts we need. It takes same
amount of energy to process dirt on other worlds which must be
returned to Earth if we wish to use the stuff here, which takes more
energy yet again.

WIth energy too cheap to meter, garbage and dirt, anywhere in the
solar system, becomes a resource base for humanity too cheap to worry
about.

Now, if we find naturally occurring deposits on Earth, we use less
energy. If we find naturally occurring deposits under the ocean, it
takes slightly more energy. If we find naturally occurring deposits
in the solar system, more energy yet again, but less energy than
processing garbage.

With energy too cheap to meter, whether or not we use a material
resource or not is based on other factors than cost.

http://www.privateislandsonline.com/puangiangi-newzealand.htm

A 154 acre island serves as a basis for testing a fusion powered
tunneling system

Here's an article on TBDs
http://machinedesign.com/article/the-art-of-digging-a-hole-1122

Here's an article on miniature TBDs
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/08/someday-a-tiny-subway-will-deliver-your-groceries/

Here's one in New Zealand
Loading Image...

The same guidance system that allows tiny helicopters to map areas and
assemble products



allow mini-TBM to tunnel precisely in the island shown above.

While retaining the raw materials to build not only the tunnel walls,
but when near the surface, parts for roads and buildings that are
assembled into finished products.

A method superior - but the ends the same - as Jacques Fresco



Using the techniques we're developing.

Here is a resort community that we're rebuilding using older methods

http://www.privateislandsonline.com/pakatoa-island.htm

The 65 homes on the island, along shops and restaurants, are being
redesigned using up to date designs - built off the island and powered
by sunlight. Puangiangi we're using next generation to build these
things in-situ - and support 1,000 people independently of the rest of
the world, making all things locally.

This is a continuous arc of development

A wood and water powered house and sawmill.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/63455302/Catalano-Beach-House

With ten kits per month being build for $500,000 each.

Then, Pakatoa - where we rebuild 65 homes and a strip mall all self-
contained on the island - and offer purchase of 60 homes in a
corporate body for $1.5 million. Energy, from sunlight, water, trash
pickup, veggie garden output, communications, are included in this
price. The stores have a wide range of goods, and there's a Ferry
service to Auckland, 45 km away - as well as helicopter service. In
Devonport a multi-story garage has been acquired along with a hotel -
to store personal cars and provide a staging area for travel beyond
the island. A fleet of Automobiles, caravans, trucks, SUVs, are
available at nominal charge for rent to islanders for travel
throughout New Zealand.

http://www.esplanadehotel.co.nz/

On Puangiangi, we build 200 free-standing homes plus an apartment
complex and 'town center' built in-situ using a fusion powered mini-
TBD. The mini-TBD is parked deep within the island, providing more
raw materials and parts as needed, and recycling garbage in-situ,
while providing energy for the island. Water recycling and
desalination provides fresh water for aeroponic systems - which
provide all the food and fiber for those living on the island.
Automated systems - based on the Rep Rap model - make the majority of
what is needed - with people able to design products they use. 200
homes in a corporate body for $2.4 million pay for it all. This
includes automated delivery systems and personal rapid transit all
electrically driven using maglev. A ferry runs regular service
between Nelson and Wellington. We're also working on a hydrogen
powered Coanda VTOL aircraft to provide personal rapid transit units
from the island throughout all of New Zealand. In addition there is
an auto storage and rental service in Wellington and Nelson that serve
the islanders. All services available on one island is available to
the other. So, a visitor to Puangiangi from Pakatoa would have access
to these services.
but this may be
our only failsafe way out of this hydrocarbon addiction
I sat at the White House in December 2004 how the United States could
avoid a major economic collapse and radically reduce its reliance on
military means to maintain world peace.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/24911642/Report-to-OSTP-EOP-Dec-2004

This attracted the negative attention of the powers that were, which
caused my finance team endless trouble.

Epstein funded counter-party risk for $8.5 billion commodity deal
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/n_7912/

Who was accused and did a plea bargain deal
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/17/egg-shaped-penis-jeffrey_n_290464.html
plus multiple
other resource depletions.
The only resource we lack is low cost energy. We solve that by
tapping into a star - either natural or artificial - at low cost.
Even thoughMookcan show us where much
cleaner and more efficient terrestrial methods for obtaining natural
solar renewable hydrogen plus otherwise creating quality synfuels from
coal is technically doable,
Until we know how to deal honestly with each other here and get along
here, we won't improve things moving off world. Once we do that,
we'll move off world readily.

Beyond the island communities we will expand to include terrestrial
communities built around maglev lines powered by fusion energy.

Loading Image...

Here we cut a deal with Guinea (formerly French Guinea) starting in
Conarky, the capital. Alpha Conde, Guinea's President has allowed us
to create a commodities market to trade all that nation's raw
materials, and open a branch of the national bank to hold all the open
accounts traded on the exchange. Those commodities traded on the
exchange will escape direct taxation which is otherwise 35%.

The interesting thing here is that Guinea holds 55% of the world
alumina. About $100 trillion worth. At present the country exports
$1.7 billion a year of that commodity. An efficient market trades
about $15 for every $1 delivered, and holds $50 for $1 delivered in
open interest to maintain the exchange.

So what's happening here is $25.5 billion is traded each year and
$85.0 billion is held in open accounts at the bank branch there. Now,
this is substantially more than the $0.5 billion worth of Guineen
Francs in the world, and more even than the $3 billion owed the IMF
for development.

If successful, the GNF can be tied directly to the value of alumina,
so there is no money risk for traders, and this will be the only
national currency backed by a commodity, not a pure fiat currency.

A fractional reserve system will allow leveraging against a portion of
the $85 billion in reserves. By offering say 6% to depositors - up to
$850 billion may be loaned out against these reserves. By charging 2%
for these loans 14% profits are made against the $85 billion.

In this way the $3 billion loan from the IMF who charges 16.5% - is
replaced by a $4 billion credit line charging 2%. Furthermore, by
remitting 2% of the 14% to the government in lieu of other taxes, and
remitting 1% of the trading volume - Guinea's economy is put on a
sound basis - WITHOUT ANY TAXES - which should help expand the
development of the $100 trillion resource - and maintain good
relations with the Guinean government going forward.

Which serves as a model of development for surrounding nations.

Owning the national bank branch gives me access to funds for
development of the global rail system described above.

In addition we will also move off world - in small communities

http://www.scribd.com/doc/60934836/Vesta-2

and in individual space homes

http://www.scribd.com/doc/62745980/Flying-Home
it seems the social/political
infrastructure either hasn’t willing or perhaps isn’t capable of
changing course.
Correct. The United States, Europe and Japan are in the throes of
collapse. Canada, Russia, India and China are caught in the
backwash. Major resource companies see this as a warning and are
divesting themselves of major assets;

http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/business/5803669/Tiwai-Point-aluminium-smelter-up-for-sale

Leaving a power vacuum.

Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, Argentina, Guinea, and other resource
rich in raw materials, can fill the vacuum with a sound currency and
honest banking and finance system.
As is the energy dependent world spills, leaks and/or via blowouts has
managed to pollute the surface and oceans with over a billion barrels
worth of crude oil per year, and the vast majority of which does not
get cleaned up or otherwise salvaged, plus likewise a hundred trillion
cubic meters of natural gas leakage including whatever’s intentionally
getting raw vented as well as via extensive flaring and the natural
gas industry consumption plus numerous volumetric forms of wastage is
getting dumped into the atmosphere as raw gasses plus its combustion
derived CO2, NOx and of course the radiological decay produced element
of helium(He) that always passes through is not insignificant.  Adding
in the all-inclusive coal usage, and it doesn’t take a rocket
scientist to figure out that our terrestrial resources of hydrocarbon
energy is systematically killing us, as well as bankrupting us.
Fukushima, Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, show that we have
underestimated the radiological hazard. Fortunately we know how to
make use of natural stars and artificial stars today. So, these are
solutions. Its just a matter of implementing it. We cannot rely on
the failed and failing States within the corrupt first world. We must
rely on the people and resources free of that corruption.
The considerable loss of helium alone should have been given some
consideration on behalf of conserving that and a few other valuable
elements of raw natural gas as of decades ago, but instead our K12s
and most others don’t seem to care or have any clue, much less
investigative motivation to find out how much tonnage of helium per
year our world is losing track of.
Our difficulty is first and foremost the wholesale corruption of
previously reliable States compounded by the failures brought about by
engineered artificial scarcity designed to take advantage of the
natural decline of over-used resources which we have over-used merely
to benefit the few owners of those resources.

Which show the corruption is more long-standing, we're just in the
final stages of collapse of the older system. It has been heading
downhill for generations.
The OCO mission was going to help quantify what is naturally and
artificially polluting our atmosphere, as well as other satellites
packing sufficient instruments for tracking and quantifying land and
sea pollutions, although each time they seem to get either foiled or
discredited to the point that we still have no good real-time idea as
to our global situation, and because Big Energy with their all-
inclusive contributions are not very good nor all that trustworthy at
keeping records as to monitoring their global contributions because,
only the final portion of whatever gets to the final end-user seems to
count, whereas the all-inclusive volumes taken in order to get that
final end-use product delivered are typically not being accounted for.
As long as this mainstream energy status-quo is not allowed to change
for the better, plus China demanding their fair share of hydrocarbon
derived energy, means that we’d best get with the off-world program of
taking from our moon and Venus, in that each of those seem to have
lots of metallicity and energy to spare.
There is more glass iron and aluminum in dirt than in the products we
produce or our garbage. Dirt and garbage - with a sufficiently low-
cost fusion energy source - can provide nearly all the raw materials
we need and create a world of limitless abundance very quickly.

I mentioned the mini-TBD we're using in New Zealand to transform a
small island. The software and hardware from that will be used in
Conarky to transform that city of 1.4 million - and to rebuild the
railway system of not only Guinea, but Bissou Guina, Faso, and other
nations nearby. Not just for major companies to extract raw materials
in the revitalized port, but also, for the people who live there -
tying the region together and creating new consumer markets in the
region.

This will be done by TBD machines that produce building products, and
parts of other TBD machines. The system will grow as it digs through
the Earth - and after spiraling outward and rebuilding Conarky, the
TBD machines themselves, will make parts from which people will make
additional machines, train others to work them, and head out in many
directions.

In three months not only will we create a city with 1 million homes -
we will build 6 more machines, that head out in every direction - to
build a development corridor, to arrive at a neighboring city, to
rebuild that city as well.

Of course, 6 more fusion powered near surface city building TBDs are
created and they spread outward.

1 - 3 months
6 - 6 months
36 - 9 months
216 - 12 months
1,296 - 15 months
7,776 - 18 months

For 15 months we will be building up Africa - and exporting through
Conarky - TBD/Tractors to Brazil and start there as well. So, we'll
be operating for over 15 months in Africa and South America. It will
only be the last 3 months that we'll expand into Eurasia and North
America.
Brad Guth
2011-12-19 20:42:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by William Mook
Post by William Mook
The Jetter cycle is really interesting.
    Li-6 plus a neutron produces He-4 plus Tritium at 4.8 MeV
Now, Tritium at several MeV have enough energy to fuse promptly with
Deuterium and;
   Tritium plus Deuterium produces He-4 plus a neutron at 17.6 MeV
So, the reaction looks like this;
                           Li-6 + n --->  T + 4.8 MeV
     17.6 MeV +  He-4 + n  <--- T + D
The presence of neutrons catalyzes the reaction at standard
conditions!  Which is pretty cool.   So, by putting a neutron
initiator in, and doing an ICF like compression to minimize radiative
and neutron losses, gets a fission free micro-fusion grenade!   There
are neutrons, but done quickly enough, in a dense enough media under
compression, the neutrons are efficiently absorbed by the reaction.
So, the Voitenko compressor doesn't have to achieve the temperatures
and pressures suggested by the Lawson criterion without neutron
mediation.  It must achieve a far more mild condition depending on
neutron flux, which can be created by an appropriate tamp around the
Lithium deuteride fuel pellet during compression.
Since Helium-4 (alpha particles) don't penetrate far - even in air -
they are nearly an ideal way to energize well defined quantities of
matter to well defined energies for use in a wide variety of engines
and generators.
Putting garbage around a small fuel pellet that creates a well defined
plasma, allows the use of electric or magnetic fields to separate the
garbage into component atoms - separated by mass.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Mass_spectro...
Here instead of obtaining a signal, the ion source is so inexpensive
in terms of energy (only $0.02 per 11.4 MJ)  a metric ton of garbage
or dirt can be reduced very efficiently to isotopic purity for $10!
With raw materials available this cheaply, the cost of the fuels
(lithium and deuterium) used will drop driving the costs down even
further.
The use of jets of energetic alpha particles to vaporize and process
rock allows the creation of a fusion powered sub-terrene that is
capable of creating any material or product from the rock and dirt it
processes.
Good grief.  Getting back down to the dull roar of what we can
actually accomplish without our having to molecular replicate
everything from scratch, might actually be worth doing.
I find if you take care of the molecules, the products take care of
themselves.
Your cheap hydrogen and secondary byproduct of oxygen via solar energy
farming is way more than good enough, so why not just stick with that
one?
Why are you making a false choice?   Just because you make your own
stars, doesn't mean you cannot use natural ones.
Our physically dark moon
Go out on any dark night where the full moon is out.  Look up at the
full moon.  You may notice something peculiar.  Its not dark at all.
and the extremely nearby planet Venus
Only when we're on the same side of the Sun.  If Mars is on the same
side of the Sun as Earth and Venus opposite, then Mars is nearer.
may
each seem a wee bit extreme for going off-world on behalf of
sustaining our global energy and metallicity demands,
The cost of raw materials are tied to the cost of energy.  Lower the
cost of energy to the too cheap to meter range, and all material
problems disappear.  This means capturing energy radiated by stars.
Either natural stars like the Sun, or artificial stars like an
efficient ICF explosion.
It takes energy to process garbage, which contains materials in the
precise amounts we need.  It takes more energy to process dirt which
contains materials not in the precise amounts we need.  It takes same
amount of energy to process dirt on other worlds which must be
returned to Earth if we wish to use the stuff here, which takes more
energy yet again.
WIth energy too cheap to meter, garbage and dirt, anywhere in the
solar system, becomes a resource base for humanity too cheap to worry
about.
Now, if we find naturally occurring deposits on Earth, we use less
energy.  If we find naturally occurring deposits under the ocean, it
takes slightly more energy.  If we find naturally occurring deposits
in the solar system, more energy yet again, but less energy than
processing garbage.
With energy too cheap to meter, whether or not we use a material
resource or not is based on  other factors than cost.
http://www.privateislandsonline.com/puangiangi-newzealand.htm
A 154 acre island serves as a basis for testing a fusion powered
tunneling system
Here's an article on TBDshttp://machinedesign.com/article/the-art-of-digging-a-hole-1122
Here's an article on miniature TBDshttp://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/08/someday-a-tiny-subway-will-deliv...
Here's one in New Zealandhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Finished_Mini_TBM_...
The same guidance system that allows tiny helicopters to map areas and
assemble products
http://youtu.be/MvRTALJp8DM
allow mini-TBM to tunnel precisely in the island shown above.
While retaining the raw materials to build not only the tunnel walls,
but when near the surface, parts for roads and buildings that are
assembled into finished products.
A method superior - but the ends the same - as Jacques Fresco
http://youtu.be/BpyBwPQNyVU
Using the techniques we're developing.
Here is a resort community that we're rebuilding using older methods
http://www.privateislandsonline.com/pakatoa-island.htm
The 65 homes on the island, along shops and restaurants, are being
redesigned using up to date designs - built off the island and powered
by sunlight.  Puangiangi we're using next generation to build these
things in-situ - and support 1,000 people independently of the rest of
the world, making all things locally.
This is a continuous arc of development
A wood and water powered house and sawmill.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/63455302/Catalano-Beach-House
With ten kits per month being build for $500,000 each.
Then, Pakatoa - where we rebuild 65 homes and a strip mall all self-
contained on the island - and offer purchase of 60 homes in a
corporate body for $1.5 million.  Energy, from sunlight, water, trash
pickup, veggie garden output, communications, are included in this
price.  The stores have a wide range of goods, and there's a Ferry
service to Auckland, 45 km away - as well as helicopter service.  In
Devonport a multi-story garage has been acquired along with a hotel -
to store personal cars and provide a staging area for travel beyond
the island.  A fleet of Automobiles, caravans, trucks, SUVs,  are
available at nominal charge for rent to islanders for travel
throughout New Zealand.
http://www.esplanadehotel.co.nz/
On Puangiangi, we build 200 free-standing homes plus an apartment
complex and 'town center' built in-situ using a fusion powered mini-
TBD.  The mini-TBD is parked deep within the island, providing more
raw materials and parts as needed, and recycling garbage in-situ,
while providing energy for the island.  Water recycling and
desalination provides fresh water for aeroponic systems - which
provide all the food and fiber for those living on the island.
Automated systems - based on the Rep Rap model - make the majority of
what is needed - with people able to design products they use.  200
homes in a corporate body for $2.4 million pay for it all.  This
includes automated delivery systems and personal rapid transit all
electrically driven using maglev.  A ferry runs regular service
between Nelson and Wellington.  We're also working on a hydrogen
powered Coanda VTOL aircraft to provide personal rapid transit units
from the island throughout all of New Zealand.  In addition there is
an auto storage and rental service in Wellington and Nelson that serve
the islanders.  All services available on one island is available to
the other.  So, a visitor to Puangiangi from Pakatoa would have access
to these services.
but this may be
our only failsafe way out of this hydrocarbon addiction
I sat at the White House in December 2004 how the United States could
avoid a major economic collapse and radically reduce its reliance on
military means to maintain world peace.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24911642/Report-to-OSTP-EOP-Dec-2004
This attracted the negative attention of the powers that were, which
caused my finance team endless trouble.
Epstein funded counter-party risk for $8.5 billion commodity dealhttp://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/n_7912/
Who was accused and did a plea bargain dealhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/17/egg-shaped-penis-jeffrey_n_2...
plus multiple
other resource depletions.
The only resource we lack is low cost energy.  We solve that by
tapping into a star - either natural or artificial - at low cost.
Even thoughMookcan show us where much
cleaner and more efficient terrestrial methods for obtaining natural
solar renewable hydrogen plus otherwise creating quality synfuels from
coal is technically doable,
Until we know how to deal honestly with each other here and get along
here, we won't improve things moving off world.  Once we do that,
we'll move off world readily.
Beyond the island communities we will expand to include terrestrial
communities built around maglev lines powered by fusion energy.
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/graphics/conferences/070915_Kiedrich...
Here we cut a deal with Guinea (formerly French Guinea) starting in
Conarky, the capital.  Alpha Conde, Guinea's President has allowed us
to create a commodities market to trade all that nation's raw
materials, and open a branch of the national bank to hold all the open
accounts traded on the exchange.  Those commodities traded on the
exchange will escape direct taxation which is otherwise 35%.
The interesting thing here is that Guinea holds 55% of the world
alumina.  About $100 trillion worth.  At present the country exports
$1.7 billion a year of that commodity.  An efficient market trades
about $15 for every $1 delivered, and holds $50 for $1 delivered in
open interest to maintain the exchange.
So what's happening here is $25.5 billion is traded each year and
$85.0 billion is held in open accounts at the bank branch there.  Now,
this is substantially more than the $0.5 billion worth of Guineen
Francs in the world, and more even than the $3 billion owed the IMF
for development.
If successful, the GNF can be tied directly to the value of alumina,
so there is no money risk for traders, and this will be the only
national currency backed by a commodity, not a pure fiat currency.
A fractional reserve system will allow leveraging against a portion of
the $85 billion in reserves.  By offering say 6% to depositors - up to
$850 billion may be loaned out against these reserves.  By charging 2%
for these loans 14% profits are made against the $85 billion.
In this way the $3 billion loan from the IMF who charges 16.5% - is
replaced by a $4 billion credit line charging 2%.  Furthermore, by
remitting 2% of the 14% to the government in lieu of other taxes, and
remitting 1% of the trading volume - Guinea's economy is put on a
sound basis - WITHOUT ANY TAXES - which should help expand the
development of the $100 trillion resource - and maintain good
relations with the Guinean government going forward.
Which serves as a model of development for surrounding nations.
Owning the national bank branch gives me access to funds for
development of the global rail system described above.
In addition we will also move off world - in small communities
http://www.scribd.com/doc/60934836/Vesta-2
and in individual space homes
http://www.scribd.com/doc/62745980/Flying-Home
it seems the social/political
infrastructure either hasn’t willing or perhaps isn’t capable of
changing course.
Correct.  The United States, Europe and Japan are in the throes of
collapse.  Canada, Russia, India and China are caught in the
backwash.  Major resource companies see this  as a warning and are
divesting themselves of major assets;
http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/business/5803669/Tiwai-Point-a...
Leaving a power vacuum.
Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, Argentina, Guinea, and other resource
rich in raw materials, can fill the vacuum with a sound currency and
honest banking and finance system.
As is the energy dependent world spills, leaks and/or via blowouts has
managed to pollute the surface and oceans with over a billion barrels
worth of crude oil per year, and the vast majority of which does not
get cleaned up or otherwise salvaged, plus likewise a hundred trillion
cubic meters of natural gas leakage including whatever’s intentionally
getting raw vented as well as via extensive flaring and the natural
gas industry consumption plus numerous volumetric forms of wastage is
getting dumped into the atmosphere as raw gasses plus its combustion
derived CO2, NOx and of course the radiological decay produced element
of helium(He) that always passes through is not insignificant.  Adding
in the all-inclusive coal usage, and it doesn’t take a rocket
scientist to figure out that our terrestrial resources of hydrocarbon
energy is systematically killing us, as well as bankrupting us.
Fukushima, Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, show that we have
underestimated the radiological hazard.  Fortunately we know how to
make use of natural stars and artificial stars today.  So, these are
solutions.  Its just a matter of implementing it.  We cannot rely on
the failed and failing States within the corrupt first world.  We must
rely on the people and resources free of that corruption.
The considerable loss of helium alone should have been given some
consideration on behalf of conserving that and a few other valuable
elements of raw natural gas as of decades ago, but instead our K12s
and most others don’t seem to care or have any clue, much less
investigative motivation to find out how much tonnage of helium per
year our world is losing track of.
Our difficulty is first and foremost the wholesale corruption of
previously reliable States compounded by the failures brought about by
engineered artificial scarcity designed to take advantage of the
natural decline of over-used resources which we have over-used merely
to benefit the few owners of those resources.
Which show the corruption is more long-standing, we're just in the
final stages of collapse of the older system.  It has been heading
downhill for generations.
The OCO mission was going to help quantify what is naturally and
artificially polluting our atmosphere, as well as other satellites
packing sufficient instruments for tracking and quantifying land and
sea pollutions, although each time they seem to get either foiled or
discredited to the point that we still have no good real-time idea as
to our global situation, and because Big Energy with their all-
inclusive contributions are not very good nor all that trustworthy at
keeping records as to monitoring their global contributions because,
only the final portion of whatever gets to the final end-user seems to
count, whereas the all-inclusive volumes taken in order to get that
final end-use product delivered are typically not being accounted for.
As long as this mainstream energy status-quo is not allowed to change
for the better, plus China demanding their fair share of hydrocarbon
derived energy, means that we’d best get with the off-world program of
taking from our moon and Venus, in that each of those seem to have
lots of metallicity and energy to spare.
There is more glass iron and aluminum in dirt than in the products we
produce or our garbage.  Dirt and garbage - with a sufficiently low-
cost fusion energy source - can provide nearly all the raw materials
we need and create a world of limitless abundance very quickly.
I mentioned the mini-TBD we're using in New Zealand to transform a
small island.  The software and hardware from that will be used in
Conarky to transform that city of 1.4 million - and to rebuild the
railway system of not only Guinea, but Bissou Guina, Faso, and other
nations nearby.  Not just for major companies to extract raw materials
in the revitalized port, but also, for the people who live there -
tying the region together and creating new consumer markets in the
region.
This will be done by TBD machines that produce building products, and
parts of other TBD machines.  The system will grow as it digs through
the Earth - and after spiraling outward and rebuilding Conarky, the
TBD machines themselves, will make parts from which people will make
additional machines, train others to work them, and head out in many
directions.
In three months not only will we create a city with 1 million homes -
we will build 6 more machines, that head out in every direction - to
build a development corridor, to arrive at a neighboring city, to
rebuild that city as well.
Of course, 6 more fusion powered near surface city building TBDs are
created and they spread outward.
       1 - 3 months
       6 - 6 months
     36 - 9 months
   216 - 12 months
1,296 - 15 months
7,776 - 18 months
For 15 months we will be building up Africa - and exporting through
Conarky - TBD/Tractors to Brazil and start there as well.  So, we'll
be operating for over 15 months in Africa and South America.  It will
only be the last 3 months that we'll expand into Eurasia and North
America.
Yes indeed, your cheap fusion energy goes right along with your
science fiction as based upon real physics that should work, is
noted. Meanwhile, we still need your cheap hydrogen plus anything
else that comes along with the package deal of Mokenergy and the
wizard of Oz that you claim to be.

BTW; The albedo of that moon on average is nearly as dark as coal,
because if it wasn't physically dark we'd be blinded by that moonlight
(any big chunk of coal or black anodized aluminum in LEO reflects as a
white-all-color or full spectrum item, especially looking
monochromatic when it's surrounded by only black) . However,
unavoidably it also gives off a terrific amount of secondary/recoil
IR, as well as its anticathode metallicity gives off hard X-rays and
gamma. Besides all of that, you've specifically admitted as to having
absolutely no photographic expertise in image interpreting, so at best
you're not the least bit qualified to interpret anything of those NASA/
Apollo and Kodak film images, that is if we're going by your own
statements.

Are you saying that our NASA has only recently become corrupted and
dishonest?

In which year did we lose control and our faith in all things DARPA
and NASA?

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William Mook
2011-12-20 01:40:28 UTC
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I've recently learned the facts. That's different from NASA having
been corrupt from the first. Paperclip was not about rocket
scientists. That was a psyop. The real people they were after was
Dr. Mengele and the mind control research of the Germans, which
inherited all the secret knowledge of the Catholic Church, derived
from the time of the tortures of the Spanish Inquisition.

After all, the German rocket scientists learned all they knew from
Goddard, A US scientist whom was offed during the war.
Brad Guth
2011-12-20 02:21:28 UTC
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I've recently learned the facts.  That's different from NASA having
been corrupt from the first.  Paperclip was not about rocket
scientists.  That was a psyop.  The real people they were after was
Dr. Mengele and the mind control research of the Germans, which
inherited all the secret knowledge of the Catholic Church, derived
from the time of the tortures of the Spanish Inquisition.
After all, the German rocket scientists learned all they knew from
Goddard, A US scientist whom was offed during the war.
"the secret knowledge of the Catholic Church" had something to do with
rockets?

Goddard was a rocket hobbyist from a wealthy Jewish family. Your
wishful thinking that an American (Swiss emigrant family of Jewish
ancestry) was decades smarter than anyone else, and Hitler only had
Catholic idiots as rocket scientists is a laugh.

If it wasn't for those Zionist Nazis from WW2, we would not have had
such a reliable Saturn-5 rocket.

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Brad Guth
2011-12-20 02:30:23 UTC
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I've recently learned the facts.  That's different from NASA having
been corrupt from the first.  Paperclip was not about rocket
scientists.  That was a psyop.  The real people they were after was
Dr. Mengele and the mind control research of the Germans, which
inherited all the secret knowledge of the Catholic Church, derived
from the time of the tortures of the Spanish Inquisition.
After all, the German rocket scientists learned all they knew from
Goddard, A US scientist whom was offed during the war.
Do tell why those of "sci.military.naval" and "soc.culture.israel"
never bother to topic/author stalk anything contributed by William Mook
PaxPerPoten
2011-12-20 04:23:09 UTC
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Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
I've recently learned the facts. That's different from NASA having
been corrupt from the first. Paperclip was not about rocket
scientists. That was a psyop. The real people they were after was
Dr. Mengele and the mind control research of the Germans, which
inherited all the secret knowledge of the Catholic Church, derived
from the time of the tortures of the Spanish Inquisition.
After all, the German rocket scientists learned all they knew from
Goddard, A US scientist whom was offed during the war.
Do tell why those of "sci.military.naval" and "soc.culture.israel"
never bother to topic/author stalk anything contributed by William Mook
Guth, you are an idiot! I do hope you have been neutered to avoid more
of y9ur kind running loose.

n
BDK
2011-12-20 20:13:30 UTC
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In article <78ac8b24-a99f-4d2f-9a9b-
Post by William Mook
I've recently learned the facts. That's different from NASA having
been corrupt from the first. Paperclip was not about rocket
scientists. That was a psyop. The real people they were after was
Dr. Mengele and the mind control research of the Germans, which
inherited all the secret knowledge of the Catholic Church, derived
from the time of the tortures of the Spanish Inquisition.
After all, the German rocket scientists learned all they knew from
Goddard, A US scientist whom was offed during the war.
Offed? He died of throat cancer. You find that suspicious Kooky Mooky?
--
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HVAC
2011-12-20 23:35:30 UTC
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Post by BDK
Post by William Mook
After all, the German rocket scientists learned all they knew from
Goddard, A US scientist whom was offed during the war.
Offed? He died of throat cancer. You find that suspicious Kooky Mooky?
Fuck ya, it's suspicious...Everyone knows it was those
'beams' the government aimed at him that gave him cancer.

Shit... No wonder you don't get paid to do this!
--
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http://youtu.be/CjO7kBqTFqo
BDK
2011-12-21 01:31:41 UTC
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Post by HVAC
Post by BDK
Post by William Mook
After all, the German rocket scientists learned all they knew from
Goddard, A US scientist whom was offed during the war.
Offed? He died of throat cancer. You find that suspicious Kooky Mooky?
Fuck ya, it's suspicious...Everyone knows it was those
'beams' the government aimed at him that gave him cancer.
Shit... No wonder you don't get paid to do this!
What kind of "beams" was it? Tractor? Semi-Tractor?

I got's ta know!
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willshak
2011-12-21 01:34:50 UTC
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Post by BDK
Post by HVAC
Post by BDK
Post by William Mook
After all, the German rocket scientists learned all they knew from
Goddard, A US scientist whom was offed during the war.
Offed? He died of throat cancer. You find that suspicious Kooky Mooky?
Fuck ya, it's suspicious...Everyone knows it was those
'beams' the government aimed at him that gave him cancer.
Shit... No wonder you don't get paid to do this!
What kind of "beams" was it? Tractor? Semi-Tractor?
I got's ta know!
John Deere.
--
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In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
BDK
2011-12-21 08:14:48 UTC
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In article <zJOdnZj5etQpqmzTnZ2dnUVZ_u-***@supernews.com>, willshak@
00hvc.rr.com says...
Post by willshak
Post by BDK
Post by HVAC
Post by BDK
Post by William Mook
After all, the German rocket scientists learned all they knew from
Goddard, A US scientist whom was offed during the war.
Offed? He died of throat cancer. You find that suspicious Kooky Mooky?
Fuck ya, it's suspicious...Everyone knows it was those
'beams' the government aimed at him that gave him cancer.
Shit... No wonder you don't get paid to do this!
What kind of "beams" was it? Tractor? Semi-Tractor?
I got's ta know!
John Deere.
Those green and yellow bastards have got to be STOPPED!!!!
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William Mook
2011-12-21 04:05:21 UTC
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Post by HVAC
Post by BDK
Post by William Mook
After all, the German rocket scientists learned all they knew from
Goddard, A US scientist whom was offed during the war.
Offed? He died of throat cancer. You find that suspicious Kooky Mooky?
Fuck ya, it's suspicious...Everyone knows it was those
'beams' the government aimed at him that gave him cancer.
Shit... No wonder you don't get paid to do this!
--
"OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit http://youtu.be/CjO7kBqTFqo
Not beams, mutagenic and carcinogenic compounds.
Brad Guth
2011-12-21 04:34:02 UTC
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Post by William Mook
Post by HVAC
Post by BDK
Post by William Mook
After all, the German rocket scientists learned all they knew from
Goddard, A US scientist whom was offed during the war.
Offed? He died of throat cancer. You find that suspicious Kooky Mooky?
Fuck ya, it's suspicious...Everyone knows it was those
'beams' the government aimed at him that gave him cancer.
Shit... No wonder you don't get paid to do this!
--
"OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit http://youtu.be/CjO7kBqTFqo
Not beams, mutagenic and carcinogenic compounds.
Fast foods are killing us, even when we prepare them ourselves.

Slow cooking at not more than 150 C minimizes our mutagenic risk.
I've known that burnt or extremely well done beef isn't good for you.

Monsanto is capable of a mass human culling, although it may only take
a small or elite rogue group within Monsanto that know the full risk
of fast-cooked food mutagenics.

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BDK
2011-12-21 08:14:08 UTC
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In article <e0245f51-39f7-4bbb-b372-e88cc2f30ac0
@a31g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, ***@gmail.com says...
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by HVAC
Post by BDK
Post by William Mook
After all, the German rocket scientists learned all they knew from
Goddard, A US scientist whom was offed during the war.
Offed? He died of throat cancer. You find that suspicious Kooky Mooky?
Fuck ya, it's suspicious...Everyone knows it was those
'beams' the government aimed at him that gave him cancer.
Shit... No wonder you don't get paid to do this!
--
"OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit http://youtu.be/CjO7kBqTFqo
Not beams, mutagenic and carcinogenic compounds.
Fast foods are killing us, even when we prepare them ourselves.
Slow cooking at not more than 150 C minimizes our mutagenic risk.
I've known that burnt or extremely well done beef isn't good for you.
Monsanto is capable of a mass human culling, although it may only take
a small or elite rogue group within Monsanto that know the full risk
of fast-cooked food mutagenics.
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Yeah, it might take you out at 77 instead of 80. Oh the humanity!
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BDK
2011-12-21 08:13:08 UTC
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Post by William Mook
Post by HVAC
Post by BDK
Post by William Mook
After all, the German rocket scientists learned all they knew from
Goddard, A US scientist whom was offed during the war.
Offed? He died of throat cancer. You find that suspicious Kooky Mooky?
Fuck ya, it's suspicious...Everyone knows it was those
'beams' the government aimed at him that gave him cancer.
Shit... No wonder you don't get paid to do this!
--
"OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit http://youtu.be/CjO7kBqTFqo
Not beams, mutagenic and carcinogenic compounds.
LOL, so you claim, but is there the slightest PROOF? No, I didn't think
so. Was Goddard a drinker or smoker? That would be a much more likely
cause of throat cancer. Ask Michael Douglas.
--
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William Mook
2011-12-21 03:46:54 UTC
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Post by BDK
In article <78ac8b24-a99f-4d2f-9a9b-
I've recently learned the facts.  That's different from NASA having
been corrupt from the first.  Paperclip was not about rocket
scientists.  That was a psyop.  The real people they were after was
Dr. Mengele and the mind control research of the Germans, which
inherited all the secret knowledge of the Catholic Church, derived
from the time of the tortures of the Spanish Inquisition.
After all, the German rocket scientists learned all they knew from
Goddard, A US scientist whom was offed during the war.
Offed? He died of throat cancer. You find that suspicious Kooky Mooky?
--
BDK- Top of the government shill heap for over 10 years running!
Carcinogens have been used to assassinate people.

http://thedirtylowdown.wordpress.com/2011/10/28/aaron-russo-murder-by-carcinogen/

Thallium is one of many human carcinogens that is routinely used by
assassins.

There are numerous recorded cases of fatal thallium poisoning. Because
of its use for murder, thallium has gained the nicknames "The
Poisoner's Poison" and "Inheritance Powder" (alongside arsenic).

In 1953, Australian Caroline Grills was sentenced to life in
prison after three family members and a close family friend died.
Authorities found thallium in tea that she had given to two additional
family members.

In 1957, Nikolai Khokhlov, a former KGB assassin, was poisoned
with thallium. Khokhlov fell ill with stomach cramps and nausea and
within days his hair had fallen out and he was covered with marks on
his skin. He fled the Soviet Union to Germany where doctors suspected
thallium poisoning and tried every known antidote without success.
Khokhlov was then taken to the US hospital and treated with
hydrocortisone, steroids, and blood and plasma transfusions and he
eventually recovered.

In 1960, Félix-Roland Moumié, a Cameroonian leader, was
assassinated in Geneva in on 3 November 1960 by the SDECE (French
secret services) with thallium.

In 1971, thallium was the main poison that Graham Frederick Young
used to poison around 70 people in the English village of Bovingdon,
Hertfordshire, of whom 3 died.

In 1988, members of the Carr family from Alturas, Polk County,
Florida fell ill from what appeared to be thallium poisoning. Peggy
Carr, the mother, died slowly and painfully from the poison. Her son
and stepson were critically ill but eventually recovered. The Carr's
neighbor, George J. Trepal, a chemist was convicted of murdering Mrs.
Carr and attempting to murder her family and sentenced to death. The
thallium was slipped into bottles of Coca-Cola at the Carr's home and
Trepal's.

Thallium was the poison of choice for Saddam Hussein to use on
dissidents, which even allowed for them to emigrate before dying.

In 1995 Zhu Ling was the victim of an unsolved thallium poisoning
in Beijing, China. In 1994, Zhu Ling was a sophomore in Class Wuhua2
(Physical Chemistry) at Tsinghua University in Beijing. She began to
show strange and debilitating symptoms at the end of 1994, when she
reported experiencing acute stomach pain, along with extensive hair
loss. Ultimately she was diagnosed on Usenet with poisoning by
thallium. To this date speculation of the true poisoner is still
discussed by many Chinese expatriates overseas.

In January 1999, 40 year old Inger Lise Bakken of Norway was
admitted to hospital and diagnosed with thallium poisoning. She died
in February, and ex-husband Terje Wiik was sentenced to 21 years in
prison. He intentionally murdered her by repeatedly poisoning her, the
final time by adding the toxin to a bottle of cognac, and continuously
pretending ignorance as to what had caused her excruciating condition.
He acquired the thallium through his job within the petroleum
industry.

In June 2004, 25 Russian soldiers earned Honorable Mention Darwin
Awards after becoming ill from thallium exposure when they found a can
of mysterious white powder in a rubbish dump on their base at
Khabarovsk in the Russian Far East. Oblivious to the danger of
misusing an unidentified white powder from a military dump site, the
conscripts added it to tobacco, and used it as a substitute for talcum
powder on their feet.

In 2005, a 17-year-old girl in Numazu, Shizuoka, Japan admitted to
attempting to murder her mother by lacing her tea with thallium,
causing a national scandal.

In February 2007, two Americans, Marina and Yana Kovalevsky, a
mother and daughter, visiting Russia were hospitalized for thallium
poisoning. Both had emigrated from the Soviet Union to the United
States in 1989 and had made several trips to Russia since then.

In February 2008, members of Iraqi air force club and some of
their children were poisoned by cake laced with thallium. Two of the
children died.

In 2011, a chemist at Bristol-Myers Squibb, Li Tianle, was charged
with murder of her husband. According to an investigation by the
Middlesex County Prosecutor's Office, Li Tianle was able to obtain a
chemical containing thallium and feed it to her husband. Li was a
chemistry student at Beijing University at the time of the highly
publicized thallium poisoning of Zhu Ling in 1995 at neighboring
Tsinghua University.
BDK
2011-12-21 08:10:37 UTC
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Post by William Mook
Post by BDK
In article <78ac8b24-a99f-4d2f-9a9b-
I've recently learned the facts.  That's different from NASA having
been corrupt from the first.  Paperclip was not about rocket
scientists.  That was a psyop.  The real people they were after was
Dr. Mengele and the mind control research of the Germans, which
inherited all the secret knowledge of the Catholic Church, derived
from the time of the tortures of the Spanish Inquisition.
After all, the German rocket scientists learned all they knew from
Goddard, A US scientist whom was offed during the war.
Offed? He died of throat cancer. You find that suspicious Kooky Mooky?
--
BDK- Top of the government shill heap for over 10 years running!
Carcinogens have been used to assassinate people.
http://thedirtylowdown.wordpress.com/2011/10/28/aaron-russo-murder-by-carcinogen/
Thallium is one of many human carcinogens that is routinely used by
assassins.
There are numerous recorded cases of fatal thallium poisoning. Because
of its use for murder, thallium has gained the nicknames "The
Poisoner's Poison" and "Inheritance Powder" (alongside arsenic).
In 1953, Australian Caroline Grills was sentenced to life in
prison after three family members and a close family friend died.
Authorities found thallium in tea that she had given to two additional
family members.
In 1957, Nikolai Khokhlov, a former KGB assassin, was poisoned
with thallium. Khokhlov fell ill with stomach cramps and nausea and
within days his hair had fallen out and he was covered with marks on
his skin. He fled the Soviet Union to Germany where doctors suspected
thallium poisoning and tried every known antidote without success.
Khokhlov was then taken to the US hospital and treated with
hydrocortisone, steroids, and blood and plasma transfusions and he
eventually recovered.
In 1960, Félix-Roland Moumié, a Cameroonian leader, was
assassinated in Geneva in on 3 November 1960 by the SDECE (French
secret services) with thallium.
In 1971, thallium was the main poison that Graham Frederick Young
used to poison around 70 people in the English village of Bovingdon,
Hertfordshire, of whom 3 died.
In 1988, members of the Carr family from Alturas, Polk County,
Florida fell ill from what appeared to be thallium poisoning. Peggy
Carr, the mother, died slowly and painfully from the poison. Her son
and stepson were critically ill but eventually recovered. The Carr's
neighbor, George J. Trepal, a chemist was convicted of murdering Mrs.
Carr and attempting to murder her family and sentenced to death. The
thallium was slipped into bottles of Coca-Cola at the Carr's home and
Trepal's.
Thallium was the poison of choice for Saddam Hussein to use on
dissidents, which even allowed for them to emigrate before dying.
In 1995 Zhu Ling was the victim of an unsolved thallium poisoning
in Beijing, China. In 1994, Zhu Ling was a sophomore in Class Wuhua2
(Physical Chemistry) at Tsinghua University in Beijing. She began to
show strange and debilitating symptoms at the end of 1994, when she
reported experiencing acute stomach pain, along with extensive hair
loss. Ultimately she was diagnosed on Usenet with poisoning by
thallium. To this date speculation of the true poisoner is still
discussed by many Chinese expatriates overseas.
In January 1999, 40 year old Inger Lise Bakken of Norway was
admitted to hospital and diagnosed with thallium poisoning. She died
in February, and ex-husband Terje Wiik was sentenced to 21 years in
prison. He intentionally murdered her by repeatedly poisoning her, the
final time by adding the toxin to a bottle of cognac, and continuously
pretending ignorance as to what had caused her excruciating condition.
He acquired the thallium through his job within the petroleum
industry.
In June 2004, 25 Russian soldiers earned Honorable Mention Darwin
Awards after becoming ill from thallium exposure when they found a can
of mysterious white powder in a rubbish dump on their base at
Khabarovsk in the Russian Far East. Oblivious to the danger of
misusing an unidentified white powder from a military dump site, the
conscripts added it to tobacco, and used it as a substitute for talcum
powder on their feet.
In 2005, a 17-year-old girl in Numazu, Shizuoka, Japan admitted to
attempting to murder her mother by lacing her tea with thallium,
causing a national scandal.
In February 2007, two Americans, Marina and Yana Kovalevsky, a
mother and daughter, visiting Russia were hospitalized for thallium
poisoning. Both had emigrated from the Soviet Union to the United
States in 1989 and had made several trips to Russia since then.
In February 2008, members of Iraqi air force club and some of
their children were poisoned by cake laced with thallium. Two of the
children died.
In 2011, a chemist at Bristol-Myers Squibb, Li Tianle, was charged
with murder of her husband. According to an investigation by the
Middlesex County Prosecutor's Office, Li Tianle was able to obtain a
chemical containing thallium and feed it to her husband. Li was a
chemistry student at Beijing University at the time of the highly
publicized thallium poisoning of Zhu Ling in 1995 at neighboring
Tsinghua University.
But do you have ANY evidence that Goddard was actually dosed, or is this
another of your many fantasies?
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Brad Guth
2011-12-21 01:27:45 UTC
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I've recently learned the facts.  That's different from NASA having
been corrupt from the first.  Paperclip was not about rocket
scientists.  That was a psyop.  The real people they were after was
Dr. Mengele and the mind control research of the Germans, which
inherited all the secret knowledge of the Catholic Church, derived
from the time of the tortures of the Spanish Inquisition.
After all, the German rocket scientists learned all they knew from
Goddard, A US scientist whom was offed during the war.
Goddard was also from a very wealthy Jewish family (not even the least
bit Catholic).

Almost without exception, our ARPA which became DARPA was staffed by
those German and a few other national Jews like Goddard, and Hitler
wouldn't have gotten 10% as far along without their wealth and
expertise (with or w/o mind control).

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2011-12-20 08:08:06 UTC
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Post by William Mook
The Jetter cycle is really interesting.
    Li-6 plus a neutron produces He-4 plus Tritium at 4.8 MeV
Now, Tritium at several MeV have enough energy to fuse promptly with
Deuterium and;
   Tritium plus Deuterium produces He-4 plus a neutron at 17.6 MeV
So, the reaction looks like this;
                           Li-6 + n --->  T + 4.8 MeV
     17.6 MeV +  He-4 + n  <--- T + D
The presence of neutrons catalyzes the reaction at standard
conditions!  Which is pretty cool.   So, by putting a neutron
initiator in, and doing an ICF like compression to minimize radiative
and neutron losses, gets a fission free micro-fusion grenade!   There
are neutrons, but done quickly enough, in a dense enough media under
compression, the neutrons are efficiently absorbed by the reaction.
So, the Voitenko compressor doesn't have to achieve the temperatures
and pressures suggested by the Lawson criterion without neutron
mediation.  It must achieve a far more mild condition depending on
neutron flux, which can be created by an appropriate tamp around the
Lithium deuteride fuel pellet during compression.
Since Helium-4 (alpha particles) don't penetrate far - even in air -
they are nearly an ideal way to energize well defined quantities of
matter to well defined energies for use in a wide variety of engines
and generators.
Putting garbage around a small fuel pellet that creates a well defined
plasma, allows the use of electric or magnetic fields to separate the
garbage into component atoms - separated by mass.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Mass_spectro...
Here instead of obtaining a signal, the ion source is so inexpensive
in terms of energy (only $0.02 per 11.4 MJ)  a metric ton of garbage
or dirt can be reduced very efficiently to isotopic purity for $10!
With raw materials available this cheaply, the cost of the fuels
(lithium and deuterium) used will drop driving the costs down even
further.
The use of jets of energetic alpha particles to vaporize and process
rock allows the creation of a fusion powered sub-terrene that is
capable of creating any material or product from the rock and dirt it
processes.
Good grief.  Getting back down to the dull roar of what we can
actually accomplish without our having to molecular replicate
everything from scratch, might actually be worth doing.
I find if you take care of the molecules, the products take care of
themselves.
Your cheap hydrogen and secondary byproduct of oxygen via solar energy
farming is way more than good enough, so why not just stick with that
one?
Why are you making a false choice?   Just because you make your own
stars, doesn't mean you cannot use natural ones.
Our physically dark moon
Go out on any dark night where the full moon is out.  Look up at the
full moon.  You may notice something peculiar.  Its not dark at all.
and the extremely nearby planet Venus
Only when we're on the same side of the Sun.  If Mars is on the same
side of the Sun as Earth and Venus opposite, then Mars is nearer.
may
each seem a wee bit extreme for going off-world on behalf of
sustaining our global energy and metallicity demands,
The cost of raw materials are tied to the cost of energy.  Lower the
cost of energy to the too cheap to meter range, and all material
problems disappear.  This means capturing energy radiated by stars.
Either natural stars like the Sun, or artificial stars like an
efficient ICF explosion.
It takes energy to process garbage, which contains materials in the
precise amounts we need.  It takes more energy to process dirt which
contains materials not in the precise amounts we need.  It takes same
amount of energy to process dirt on other worlds which must be
returned to Earth if we wish to use the stuff here, which takes more
energy yet again.
WIth energy too cheap to meter, garbage and dirt, anywhere in the
solar system, becomes a resource base for humanity too cheap to worry
about.
Now, if we find naturally occurring deposits on Earth, we use less
energy.  If we find naturally occurring deposits under the ocean, it
takes slightly more energy.  If we find naturally occurring deposits
in the solar system, more energy yet again, but less energy than
processing garbage.
With energy too cheap to meter, whether or not we use a material
resource or not is based on  other factors than cost.
http://www.privateislandsonline.com/puangiangi-newzealand.htm
A 154 acre island serves as a basis for testing a fusion powered
tunneling system
Here's an article on TBDshttp://machinedesign.com/article/the-art-of-digging-a-hole-1122
Here's an article on miniature TBDshttp://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/08/someday-a-tiny-subway-will-deliv...
Here's one in New Zealandhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Finished_Mini_TBM_...
The same guidance system that allows tiny helicopters to map areas and
assemble products
http://youtu.be/MvRTALJp8DM
allow mini-TBM to tunnel precisely in the island shown above.
While retaining the raw materials to build not only the tunnel walls,
but when near the surface, parts for roads and buildings that are
assembled into finished products.
A method superior - but the ends the same - as Jacques Fresco
http://youtu.be/BpyBwPQNyVU
Using the techniques we're developing.
Here is a resort community that we're rebuilding using older methods
http://www.privateislandsonline.com/pakatoa-island.htm
The 65 homes on the island, along shops and restaurants, are being
redesigned using up to date designs - built off the island and powered
by sunlight.  Puangiangi we're using next generation to build these
things in-situ - and support 1,000 people independently of the rest of
the world, making all things locally.
This is a continuous arc of development
A wood and water powered house and sawmill.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/63455302/Catalano-Beach-House
With ten kits per month being build for $500,000 each.
Then, Pakatoa - where we rebuild 65 homes and a strip mall all self-
contained on the island - and offer purchase of 60 homes in a
corporate body for $1.5 million.  Energy, from sunlight, water, trash
pickup, veggie garden output, communications, are included in this
price.  The stores have a wide range of goods, and there's a Ferry
service to Auckland, 45 km away - as well as helicopter service.  In
Devonport a multi-story garage has been acquired along with a hotel -
to store personal cars and provide a staging area for travel beyond
the island.  A fleet of Automobiles, caravans, trucks, SUVs,  are
available at nominal charge for rent to islanders for travel
throughout New Zealand.
http://www.esplanadehotel.co.nz/
On Puangiangi, we build 200 free-standing homes plus an apartment
complex and 'town center' built in-situ using a fusion powered mini-
TBD.  The mini-TBD is parked deep within the island, providing more
raw materials and parts as needed, and recycling garbage in-situ,
while providing energy for the island.  Water recycling and
desalination provides fresh water for aeroponic systems - which
provide all the food and fiber for those living on the island.
Automated systems - based on the Rep Rap model - make the majority of
what is needed - with people able to design products they use.  200
homes in a corporate body for $2.4 million pay for it all.  This
includes automated delivery systems and personal rapid transit all
electrically driven using maglev.  A ferry runs regular service
between Nelson and Wellington.  We're also working on a hydrogen
powered Coanda VTOL aircraft to provide personal rapid transit units
from the island throughout all of New Zealand.  In addition there is
an auto storage and rental service in Wellington and Nelson that serve
the islanders.  All services available on one island is available to
the other.  So, a visitor to Puangiangi from Pakatoa would have access
to these services.
but this may be
our only failsafe way out of this hydrocarbon addiction
I sat at the White House in December 2004 how the United States could
avoid a major economic collapse and radically reduce its reliance on
military means to maintain world peace.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24911642/Report-to-OSTP-EOP-Dec-2004
This attracted the negative attention of the powers that were, which
caused my finance team endless trouble.
Epstein funded counter-party risk for $8.5 billion commodity dealhttp://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/n_7912/
Who was accused and did a plea bargain dealhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/17/egg-shaped-penis-jeffrey_n_2...
plus multiple
other resource depletions.
The only resource we lack is low cost energy.  We solve that by
tapping into a star - either natural or artificial - at low cost.
Even thoughMookcan show us where much
cleaner and more efficient terrestrial methods for obtaining natural
solar renewable hydrogen plus otherwise creating quality synfuels from
coal is technically doable,
Until we know how to deal honestly with each other here and get along
here, we won't improve things moving off world.  Once we do that,
we'll move off world readily.
Beyond the island communities we will expand to include terrestrial
communities built around maglev lines powered by fusion energy.
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/graphics/conferences/070915_Kiedrich...
Here we cut a deal with Guinea (formerly French Guinea) starting in
Conarky, the capital.  Alpha Conde, Guinea's President has allowed us
to create a commodities market to trade all that nation's raw
materials, and open a branch of the national bank to hold all the open
accounts traded on the exchange.  Those commodities traded on the
exchange will escape direct taxation which is otherwise 35%.
The interesting thing here is that Guinea holds 55% of the world
alumina.  About $100 trillion worth.  At present the country exports
$1.7 billion a year of that commodity.  An efficient market trades
about $15 for every $1 delivered, and holds $50 for $1 delivered in
open interest to maintain the exchange.
So what's happening here is $25.5 billion is traded each year and
$85.0 billion is held in open accounts at the bank branch there.  Now,
this is substantially more than the $0.5 billion worth of Guineen
Francs in the world, and more even than the $3 billion owed the IMF
for development.
If successful, the GNF can be tied directly to the value of alumina,
so there is no money risk for traders, and this will be the only
national currency backed by a commodity, not a pure fiat currency.
A fractional reserve system will allow leveraging against a portion of
the $85 billion in reserves.  By offering say 6% to depositors - up to
$850 billion may be loaned out against these reserves.  By charging 2%
for these loans 14% profits are made against the $85 billion.
In this way the $3 billion loan from the IMF who charges 16.5% - is
replaced by a $4 billion credit line charging 2%.  Furthermore, by
remitting 2% of the 14% to the government in lieu of other taxes, and
remitting 1% of the trading volume - Guinea's economy is put on a
sound basis - WITHOUT ANY TAXES - which should help expand the
development of the $100 trillion resource - and maintain good
relations with the Guinean government going forward.
Which serves as a model of development for surrounding nations.
Owning the national bank branch gives me access to funds for
development of the global rail system described above.
In addition we will also move off world - in small communities
http://www.scribd.com/doc/60934836/Vesta-2
and in individual space homes
http://www.scribd.com/doc/62745980/Flying-Home
it seems the social/political
infrastructure either hasn’t willing or perhaps isn’t capable of
changing course.
Correct.  The United States, Europe and Japan are in the throes of
collapse.  Canada, Russia, India and China are caught in the
backwash.  Major resource companies see this  as a warning and are
divesting themselves of major assets;
http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/business/5803669/Tiwai-Point-a...
Leaving a power vacuum.
Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, Argentina, Guinea, and other resource
rich in raw materials, can fill the vacuum with a sound currency and
honest banking and finance system.
As is the energy dependent world spills, leaks and/or via blowouts has
managed to pollute the surface and oceans with over a billion barrels
worth of crude oil per year, and the vast majority of which does not
get cleaned up or otherwise salvaged, plus likewise a hundred trillion
cubic meters of natural gas leakage including whatever’s intentionally
getting raw vented as well as via extensive flaring and the natural
gas industry consumption plus numerous volumetric forms of wastage is
getting dumped into the atmosphere as raw gasses plus its combustion
derived CO2, NOx and of course the radiological decay produced element
of helium(He) that always passes through is not insignificant.  Adding
in the all-inclusive coal usage, and it doesn’t take a rocket
scientist to figure out that our terrestrial resources of hydrocarbon
energy is systematically killing us, as well as bankrupting us.
Fukushima, Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, show that we have
underestimated the radiological hazard.  Fortunately we know how to
make use of natural stars and artificial stars today.  So, these are
solutions.  Its just a matter of implementing it.  We cannot rely on
the failed and failing States within the corrupt first world.  We must
rely on the people and resources free of that corruption.
The considerable loss of helium alone should have been given some
consideration on behalf of conserving that and a few other valuable
elements of raw natural gas as of decades ago, but instead our K12s
and most others don’t seem to care or have any clue, much less
investigative motivation to find out how much tonnage of helium per
year our world is losing track of.
Our difficulty is first and foremost the wholesale corruption of
previously reliable States compounded by the failures brought about by
engineered artificial scarcity designed to take advantage of the
natural decline of over-used resources which we have over-used merely
to benefit the few owners of those resources.
Which show the corruption is more long-standing, we're just in the
final stages of collapse of the older system.  It has been heading
downhill for generations.
The OCO mission was going to help quantify what is naturally and
artificially polluting our atmosphere, as well as other satellites
packing sufficient instruments for tracking and quantifying land and
sea pollutions, although each time they seem to get either foiled or
discredited to the point that we still have no good real-time idea as
to our global situation, and because Big Energy with their all-
inclusive contributions are not very good nor all that trustworthy at
keeping records as to monitoring their global contributions because,
only the final portion of whatever gets to the final end-user seems to
count, whereas the all-inclusive volumes taken in order to get that
final end-use product delivered are typically not being accounted for.
As long as this mainstream energy status-quo is not allowed to change
for the better, plus China demanding their fair share of hydrocarbon
derived energy, means that we’d best get with the off-world program of
taking from our moon and Venus, in that each of those seem to have
lots of metallicity and energy to spare.
There is more glass iron and aluminum in dirt than in the products we
produce or our garbage.  Dirt and garbage - with a sufficiently low-
cost fusion energy source - can provide nearly all the raw materials
we need and create a world of limitless abundance very quickly.
I mentioned the mini-TBD we're using in New Zealand to transform a
small island.  The software and hardware from that will be used in
Conarky to transform that city of 1.4 million - and to rebuild the
railway system of not only Guinea, but Bissou Guina, Faso, and other
nations nearby.  Not just for major companies to extract raw materials
in the revitalized port, but also, for the people who live there -
tying the region together and creating new consumer markets in the
region.
This will be done by TBD machines that produce building products, and
parts of other TBD machines.  The system will grow as it digs through
the Earth - and after spiraling outward and rebuilding Conarky, the
TBD machines themselves, will make parts from which people will make
additional machines, train others to work them, and head out in many
directions.
In three months not only will we create a city with 1 million homes -
we will build 6 more machines, that head out in every direction - to
build a development corridor, to arrive at a neighboring city, to
rebuild that city as well.
Of course, 6 more fusion powered near surface city building TBDs are
created and they spread outward.
       1 - 3 months
       6 - 6 months
     36 - 9 months
   216 - 12 months
1,296 - 15 months
7,776 - 18 months
For 15 months we will be building up Africa - and exporting through
Conarky - TBD/Tractors to Brazil and start there as well.  So, we'll
be operating for over 15 months in Africa and South America.  It will
only be the last 3 months that we'll expand into Eurasia and North
America.
Yes indeed, your cheap fusion energy goes right along with your
science fiction as based upon real physics that should work, is
noted.
The Jetter Cycle operates at room temperature.

http://pesn.com/2011/10/28/9501940_1_MW_E-Cat_Test_Successful/

So, its not science fiction.
Post by Brad Guth
Meanwhile, we still need your cheap hydrogen plus anything
else that comes along with the package deal of Mokenergy and the
wizard of Oz that you claim to be.
I believe I gave you a quotation for hydrogen at $80 per ton.

All you must do is agree to buy a minimum of 353,092 tons for a
minimum of $10,592,760. You can arrange delivery for as long as 30
years. All that's required is you show you're credit worthy and sign
an agreement. For a company with a decent credit rating monthly
payments are $64,129.38 - for deliveries of 367,800 kg per month.
($0.174 per kg)
Post by Brad Guth
BTW;  The albedo of that moon on average is nearly as dark as coal,
The dark areas of the moon reflect 10% of incident light. Bright
ejecta reflect as much as 30%. The average reflectivity is 12%

According to Pearson - reflectances range from 0.5% to 1.7% for coking
coals, while coals generally can range as high as 8%.

Now, soil moisture content has been correlated with reflectance models
and raw soil on Earth ranges from 2.9% to to 11.8% - depending on
moisture content. Bodies of water on Earth have reflectances in the
6% to 8% range.

Newly paved asphalt roads have a reflectivity of 4% and old worn
asphalt roads have a reflectivity of 8%

So, imagine standing on a sunny day on a road. To the north, its
freshly paved, and its dark. To the south, old and worn, its fairly
bright. To the east is a coal field with very dark coking coal piled
high - its only 1.7% reflective - darker even than the new asphalt.
To the west, a freshly turned field after yesterday's rain. Its 3%
reflective. Twice a bright as the coking coal. And a lake between
the road and the field, 6% reflective brighter yet again, but darker
than the road. Next to it are evergreen trees, they're 5%
reflective. And in the bright blue sky is a full moon on the horizon
- which looks white even in the day.

Coking coal: 1.7%
Plowed field: 3.0%
New asphalt: 4.0%
Trees: 5.0%
Lake: 6.0%
Worn asphalt: 8.0%

Moon: 12%

So, you can see that you are just wrong Brad when you insist on saying
the moon is as dark as a lump of coal. Its not! Its brighter than
most things we see in this picture,

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All of which is brighter than a lump of coal. Just ask this guy

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Post by Brad Guth
because if it wasn't physically dark we'd be blinded by that moonlight
No we wouldn't. We're not blinded by direct sunlight, we wouldn't be
blinded by something 12% as bright.
Post by Brad Guth
(any big chunk of coal or black anodized aluminum in LEO reflects as a
white-all-color or full spectrum item, especially looking
monochromatic when it's surrounded by only black) .
Aluminium alloys are anodized to increase corrosion resistance, to
increase surface hardness, and to allow dyeing (coloring), improved
lubrication, or improved adhesion, so I don't know what you are
getting at. These alloys are highly reflective at the right angle,
and are reflective in the infra-red.
Post by Brad Guth
 However,
unavoidably it also gives off a terrific amount of secondary/recoil
IR, as well as its anticathode metallicity gives off hard X-rays and
gamma.  Besides all of that, you've specifically admitted as to having
absolutely no photographic expertise in image interpreting, so at best
you're not the least bit qualified to interpret anything of those NASA/
Apollo and Kodak film images, that is if we're going by your own
statements.
Yes, I believe the Apollo astronauts went to the moon.
Post by Brad Guth
Are you saying that our NASA has only recently become corrupted and
dishonest?
No, they were formed 11 years after the signing of the 1947 National
Security Act. The rocket scientists brought over from Germany were a
cover to hide the fact we imported all the mind control scientists and
used them to create an army of sex slaves for the CIA so they could
corrupt our nation, our industry, and our people to benefit the
British Empire.
Post by Brad Guth
In which year did we lose control and our faith in all things DARPA
and NASA?
I awoke this year. Although, its clear we did go to the moon. The
Apollo trips are secondary to the role NASA played and continues to
play in maintaining a population of mind controlled child sex slaves
for the CIA to corrupt and control the world's politics and industry.
Post by Brad Guth
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Post by Brad Guth
Are you saying that our NASA has only recently become corrupted and
dishonest?
No, they were formed 11 years after the signing of the 1947 National
Security Act. The rocket scientists brought over from Germany were a
cover to hide the fact we imported all the mind control scientists and
used them to create an army of sex slaves for the CIA so they could
corrupt our nation, our industry, and our people to benefit the
British Empire.
Post by Brad Guth
In which year did we lose control and our faith in all things DARPA
and NASA?
I awoke this year. Although, its clear we did go to the moon. The
Apollo trips are secondary to the role NASA played and continues to
play in maintaining a population of mind controlled child sex slaves
for the CIA to corrupt and control the world's politics and industry.
Creating a massively expanding jobs 'promise market potential'
at the expense of such a lame excuse for the reason why
whole free markets become seduced by 'costly' pornographic
collateral, does not come from our monsters of technocracy
that most seduced mainstreamers have come to be in
bondage with... it comes IMO from a more sinister plan of
world conquest.

Those whored prolific types, who remain in bondage to the
monsters, repesent the weak and tame minds which have the
power to resist the energy of their underclass, but presently,
that might only SEEMLY to be the case for the middle class.

Why only SEEMLY? It's because we, the middle class, have
woken up to who our captors are, or have become, and
WHAT their intentions have become, regarding the future
of civilization on the planet. The proliferation of mainstream
media, along with the exploitation (imagery) of sex, it seems,
has both fueled and distorted what the culture of civilization
SHOULD have represented to the middle class - middle class
for the entire world, but has rather made its accomplice's
general curiousity of nature into a whore of truth and a whore
of science - but so has college tuition! Why? Because colleges
have become protected houses of sex at the technocracy
monster's expense, rather than competitive
educational institutions!

Although one might even agree partially that sex itself is a
driver of sales in the marketplace, one also has to accept
that within the norm of human behavior, what defines an
'imbalance' of the four types of human love

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Four_Loves

... each of which, if magnified OUTSIDE of what (should
be) any individual's definition of 'free will', becomes defined
NOT by a higher consciousness, but by the individual as part
of a worse reprobate spirit, pressing inwards with the rest of
its adherents, against the true, higher conscious' kingdom
of Heaven.

IMO our future is somewhat "malleable", given the ability to
generally influence the direction of positive law, and how it
generally influences behavioral outcomes constructively.
Positive law can become actively engaged market-wide, in
order to generally influence the behavior of widening groups
of the scientifically and energy enlightened, who would know
better, what the certain market symptoms of collusion vs.
consolidation actually are, in an attempt to the world-
wide slide into world slavery or caste, and form a more
stable common ground, for more widespread modernization.

Many of our current Monsters of Technocracy end up sealing
their own fate, believing that THEIR own version of space-
time (4D), is static, immutable, and immobile, and there-
fore end up confining nature for both the middle and lower
classes as pure chance or existential (changeless and
choiceless, nothing and everything).

Worldlines actually DO intersect, albeit temporarily, IMO.
This leads directly to parallel world theory:

http://www.real-british-ghosts.com/roman-ghosts.html

So in effect what one may accept in 4D as 'static,
immutable and immobile', could be something else in an-
other dimension. The prophet Enoch referred to the '7th
Heaven' inhabited by God. This heaven IMO, refers to an-
other dimension, or perhaps another timeline.

Unfortunately and IMO, if more than 2 dimensions intersect
together in the same time and place, the occultist's version
of hell is being fulfilled (1:23:30 into video) :



Forcing more than 2 dimensions in time and space, IMO
is what Lucifer, ala now Satan, will attempt to force on the
entire human race, before YHWH deals him His death punch.
The fact that dimensions don't intersect continually, means
that to travel into another dimension means 'disappearing'
from this world, into a 'parallel' reality.

In essence, humans have to learn how to 'disappear', as long
as they have those who agree with Satan, that there is no
hope for positive change left for the human race, and as
they are the ones who continually interfere with God's plan
for believers to have eternal life and happiness. After all,
it's no one's blessing on any individual's or group(s) of
individual's to give, as long as (their) own consciousness,
en totalle, doesn't ever end up receiving the glory...

American

"Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries
that shall come upon you. Your riches are corrupted,
and your garmets are motheaten. Your gold and silver
are cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness
against you, and you shall eat your flesh as it were fire.
Ye have heaped up treasure for the last days"

- James 5:1-3
BDK
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Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by William Mook
The Jetter cycle is really interesting.
    Li-6 plus a neutron produces He-4 plus Tritium at 4.8 MeV
Now, Tritium at several MeV have enough energy to fuse promptly with
Deuterium and;
   Tritium plus Deuterium produces He-4 plus a neutron at 17.6 MeV
So, the reaction looks like this;
                           Li-6 + n --->  T + 4.8 MeV
     17.6 MeV +  He-4 + n  <--- T + D
The presence of neutrons catalyzes the reaction at standard
conditions!  Which is pretty cool.   So, by putting a neutron
initiator in, and doing an ICF like compression to minimize radiative
and neutron losses, gets a fission free micro-fusion grenade!   There
are neutrons, but done quickly enough, in a dense enough media under
compression, the neutrons are efficiently absorbed by the reaction.
So, the Voitenko compressor doesn't have to achieve the temperatures
and pressures suggested by the Lawson criterion without neutron
mediation.  It must achieve a far more mild condition depending on
neutron flux, which can be created by an appropriate tamp around the
Lithium deuteride fuel pellet during compression.
Since Helium-4 (alpha particles) don't penetrate far - even in air -
they are nearly an ideal way to energize well defined quantities of
matter to well defined energies for use in a wide variety of engines
and generators.
Putting garbage around a small fuel pellet that creates a well defined
plasma, allows the use of electric or magnetic fields to separate the
garbage into component atoms - separated by mass.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Mass_spectro...
Here instead of obtaining a signal, the ion source is so inexpensive
in terms of energy (only $0.02 per 11.4 MJ)  a metric ton of garbage
or dirt can be reduced very efficiently to isotopic purity for $10!
With raw materials available this cheaply, the cost of the fuels
(lithium and deuterium) used will drop driving the costs down even
further.
The use of jets of energetic alpha particles to vaporize and process
rock allows the creation of a fusion powered sub-terrene that is
capable of creating any material or product from the rock and dirt it
processes.
Good grief.  Getting back down to the dull roar of what we can
actually accomplish without our having to molecular replicate
everything from scratch, might actually be worth doing.
I find if you take care of the molecules, the products take care of
themselves.
Your cheap hydrogen and secondary byproduct of oxygen via solar energy
farming is way more than good enough, so why not just stick with that
one?
Why are you making a false choice?   Just because you make your own
stars, doesn't mean you cannot use natural ones.
Our physically dark moon
Go out on any dark night where the full moon is out.  Look up at the
full moon.  You may notice something peculiar.  Its not dark at all.
and the extremely nearby planet Venus
Only when we're on the same side of the Sun.  If Mars is on the same
side of the Sun as Earth and Venus opposite, then Mars is nearer.
may
each seem a wee bit extreme for going off-world on behalf of
sustaining our global energy and metallicity demands,
The cost of raw materials are tied to the cost of energy.  Lower the
cost of energy to the too cheap to meter range, and all material
problems disappear.  This means capturing energy radiated by stars.
Either natural stars like the Sun, or artificial stars like an
efficient ICF explosion.
It takes energy to process garbage, which contains materials in the
precise amounts we need.  It takes more energy to process dirt which
contains materials not in the precise amounts we need.  It takes same
amount of energy to process dirt on other worlds which must be
returned to Earth if we wish to use the stuff here, which takes more
energy yet again.
WIth energy too cheap to meter, garbage and dirt, anywhere in the
solar system, becomes a resource base for humanity too cheap to worry
about.
Now, if we find naturally occurring deposits on Earth, we use less
energy.  If we find naturally occurring deposits under the ocean, it
takes slightly more energy.  If we find naturally occurring deposits
in the solar system, more energy yet again, but less energy than
processing garbage.
With energy too cheap to meter, whether or not we use a material
resource or not is based on  other factors than cost.
http://www.privateislandsonline.com/puangiangi-newzealand.htm
A 154 acre island serves as a basis for testing a fusion powered
tunneling system
Here's an article on TBDshttp://machinedesign.com/article/the-art-of-digging-a-hole-1122
Here's an article on miniature TBDshttp://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/08/someday-a-tiny-subway-will-deliv...
Here's one in New Zealandhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Finished_Mini_TBM_...
The same guidance system that allows tiny helicopters to map areas and
assemble products
http://youtu.be/MvRTALJp8DM
allow mini-TBM to tunnel precisely in the island shown above.
While retaining the raw materials to build not only the tunnel walls,
but when near the surface, parts for roads and buildings that are
assembled into finished products.
A method superior - but the ends the same - as Jacques Fresco
http://youtu.be/BpyBwPQNyVU
Using the techniques we're developing.
Here is a resort community that we're rebuilding using older methods
http://www.privateislandsonline.com/pakatoa-island.htm
The 65 homes on the island, along shops and restaurants, are being
redesigned using up to date designs - built off the island and powered
by sunlight.  Puangiangi we're using next generation to build these
things in-situ - and support 1,000 people independently of the rest of
the world, making all things locally.
This is a continuous arc of development
A wood and water powered house and sawmill.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/63455302/Catalano-Beach-House
With ten kits per month being build for $500,000 each.
Then, Pakatoa - where we rebuild 65 homes and a strip mall all self-
contained on the island - and offer purchase of 60 homes in a
corporate body for $1.5 million.  Energy, from sunlight, water, trash
pickup, veggie garden output, communications, are included in this
price.  The stores have a wide range of goods, and there's a Ferry
service to Auckland, 45 km away - as well as helicopter service.  In
Devonport a multi-story garage has been acquired along with a hotel -
to store personal cars and provide a staging area for travel beyond
the island.  A fleet of Automobiles, caravans, trucks, SUVs,  are
available at nominal charge for rent to islanders for travel
throughout New Zealand.
http://www.esplanadehotel.co.nz/
On Puangiangi, we build 200 free-standing homes plus an apartment
complex and 'town center' built in-situ using a fusion powered mini-
TBD.  The mini-TBD is parked deep within the island, providing more
raw materials and parts as needed, and recycling garbage in-situ,
while providing energy for the island.  Water recycling and
desalination provides fresh water for aeroponic systems - which
provide all the food and fiber for those living on the island.
Automated systems - based on the Rep Rap model - make the majority of
what is needed - with people able to design products they use.  200
homes in a corporate body for $2.4 million pay for it all.  This
includes automated delivery systems and personal rapid transit all
electrically driven using maglev.  A ferry runs regular service
between Nelson and Wellington.  We're also working on a hydrogen
powered Coanda VTOL aircraft to provide personal rapid transit units
from the island throughout all of New Zealand.  In addition there is
an auto storage and rental service in Wellington and Nelson that serve
the islanders.  All services available on one island is available to
the other.  So, a visitor to Puangiangi from Pakatoa would have access
to these services.
but this may be
our only failsafe way out of this hydrocarbon addiction
I sat at the White House in December 2004 how the United States could
avoid a major economic collapse and radically reduce its reliance on
military means to maintain world peace.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24911642/Report-to-OSTP-EOP-Dec-2004
This attracted the negative attention of the powers that were, which
caused my finance team endless trouble.
Epstein funded counter-party risk for $8.5 billion commodity dealhttp://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/n_7912/
Who was accused and did a plea bargain dealhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/17/egg-shaped-penis-jeffrey_n_2...
plus multiple
other resource depletions.
The only resource we lack is low cost energy.  We solve that by
tapping into a star - either natural or artificial - at low cost.
Even thoughMookcan show us where much
cleaner and more efficient terrestrial methods for obtaining natural
solar renewable hydrogen plus otherwise creating quality synfuels from
coal is technically doable,
Until we know how to deal honestly with each other here and get along
here, we won't improve things moving off world.  Once we do that,
we'll move off world readily.
Beyond the island communities we will expand to include terrestrial
communities built around maglev lines powered by fusion energy.
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/graphics/conferences/070915_Kiedrich...
Here we cut a deal with Guinea (formerly French Guinea) starting in
Conarky, the capital.  Alpha Conde, Guinea's President has allowed us
to create a commodities market to trade all that nation's raw
materials, and open a branch of the national bank to hold all the open
accounts traded on the exchange.  Those commodities traded on the
exchange will escape direct taxation which is otherwise 35%.
The interesting thing here is that Guinea holds 55% of the world
alumina.  About $100 trillion worth.  At present the country exports
$1.7 billion a year of that commodity.  An efficient market trades
about $15 for every $1 delivered, and holds $50 for $1 delivered in
open interest to maintain the exchange.
So what's happening here is $25.5 billion is traded each year and
$85.0 billion is held in open accounts at the bank branch there.  Now,
this is substantially more than the $0.5 billion worth of Guineen
Francs in the world, and more even than the $3 billion owed the IMF
for development.
If successful, the GNF can be tied directly to the value of alumina,
so there is no money risk for traders, and this will be the only
national currency backed by a commodity, not a pure fiat currency.
A fractional reserve system will allow leveraging against a portion of
the $85 billion in reserves.  By offering say 6% to depositors - up to
$850 billion may be loaned out against these reserves.  By charging 2%
for these loans 14% profits are made against the $85 billion.
In this way the $3 billion loan from the IMF who charges 16.5% - is
replaced by a $4 billion credit line charging 2%.  Furthermore, by
remitting 2% of the 14% to the government in lieu of other taxes, and
remitting 1% of the trading volume - Guinea's economy is put on a
sound basis - WITHOUT ANY TAXES - which should help expand the
development of the $100 trillion resource - and maintain good
relations with the Guinean government going forward.
Which serves as a model of development for surrounding nations.
Owning the national bank branch gives me access to funds for
development of the global rail system described above.
In addition we will also move off world - in small communities
http://www.scribd.com/doc/60934836/Vesta-2
and in individual space homes
http://www.scribd.com/doc/62745980/Flying-Home
it seems the social/political
infrastructure either hasn?t willing or perhaps isn?t capable of
changing course.
Correct.  The United States, Europe and Japan are in the throes of
collapse.  Canada, Russia, India and China are caught in the
backwash.  Major resource companies see this  as a warning and are
divesting themselves of major assets;
http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/business/5803669/Tiwai-Point-a...
Leaving a power vacuum.
Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, Argentina, Guinea, and other resource
rich in raw materials, can fill the vacuum with a sound currency and
honest banking and finance system.
As is the energy dependent world spills, leaks and/or via blowouts has
managed to pollute the surface and oceans with over a billion barrels
worth of crude oil per year, and the vast majority of which does not
get cleaned up or otherwise salvaged, plus likewise a hundred trillion
cubic meters of natural gas leakage including whatever?s intentionally
getting raw vented as well as via extensive flaring and the natural
gas industry consumption plus numerous volumetric forms of wastage is
getting dumped into the atmosphere as raw gasses plus its combustion
derived CO2, NOx and of course the radiological decay produced element
of helium(He) that always passes through is not insignificant.  Adding
in the all-inclusive coal usage, and it doesn?t take a rocket
scientist to figure out that our terrestrial resources of hydrocarbon
energy is systematically killing us, as well as bankrupting us.
Fukushima, Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, show that we have
underestimated the radiological hazard.  Fortunately we know how to
make use of natural stars and artificial stars today.  So, these are
solutions.  Its just a matter of implementing it.  We cannot rely on
the failed and failing States within the corrupt first world.  We must
rely on the people and resources free of that corruption.
The considerable loss of helium alone should have been given some
consideration on behalf of conserving that and a few other valuable
elements of raw natural gas as of decades ago, but instead our K12s
and most others don?t seem to care or have any clue, much less
investigative motivation to find out how much tonnage of helium per
year our world is losing track of.
Our difficulty is first and foremost the wholesale corruption of
previously reliable States compounded by the failures brought about by
engineered artificial scarcity designed to take advantage of the
natural decline of over-used resources which we have over-used merely
to benefit the few owners of those resources.
Which show the corruption is more long-standing, we're just in the
final stages of collapse of the older system.  It has been heading
downhill for generations.
The OCO mission was going to help quantify what is naturally and
artificially polluting our atmosphere, as well as other satellites
packing sufficient instruments for tracking and quantifying land and
sea pollutions, although each time they seem to get either foiled or
discredited to the point that we still have no good real-time idea as
to our global situation, and because Big Energy with their all-
inclusive contributions are not very good nor all that trustworthy at
keeping records as to monitoring their global contributions because,
only the final portion of whatever gets to the final end-user seems to
count, whereas the all-inclusive volumes taken in order to get that
final end-use product delivered are typically not being accounted for.
As long as this mainstream energy status-quo is not allowed to change
for the better, plus China demanding their fair share of hydrocarbon
derived energy, means that we?d best get with the off-world program of
taking from our moon and Venus, in that each of those seem to have
lots of metallicity and energy to spare.
There is more glass iron and aluminum in dirt than in the products we
produce or our garbage.  Dirt and garbage - with a sufficiently low-
cost fusion energy source - can provide nearly all the raw materials
we need and create a world of limitless abundance very quickly.
I mentioned the mini-TBD we're using in New Zealand to transform a
small island.  The software and hardware from that will be used in
Conarky to transform that city of 1.4 million - and to rebuild the
railway system of not only Guinea, but Bissou Guina, Faso, and other
nations nearby.  Not just for major companies to extract raw materials
in the revitalized port, but also, for the people who live there -
tying the region together and creating new consumer markets in the
region.
This will be done by TBD machines that produce building products, and
parts of other TBD machines.  The system will grow as it digs through
the Earth - and after spiraling outward and rebuilding Conarky, the
TBD machines themselves, will make parts from which people will make
additional machines, train others to work them, and head out in many
directions.
In three months not only will we create a city with 1 million homes -
we will build 6 more machines, that head out in every direction - to
build a development corridor, to arrive at a neighboring city, to
rebuild that city as well.
Of course, 6 more fusion powered near surface city building TBDs are
created and they spread outward.
       1 - 3 months
       6 - 6 months
     36 - 9 months
   216 - 12 months
1,296 - 15 months
7,776 - 18 months
For 15 months we will be building up Africa - and exporting through
Conarky - TBD/Tractors to Brazil and start there as well.  So, we'll
be operating for over 15 months in Africa and South America.  It will
only be the last 3 months that we'll expand into Eurasia and North
America.
Yes indeed, your cheap fusion energy goes right along with your
science fiction as based upon real physics that should work, is
noted.
The Jetter Cycle operates at room temperature.
http://pesn.com/2011/10/28/9501940_1_MW_E-Cat_Test_Successful/
So, its not science fiction.
Post by Brad Guth
Meanwhile, we still need your cheap hydrogen plus anything
else that comes along with the package deal of Mokenergy and the
wizard of Oz that you claim to be.
I believe I gave you a quotation for hydrogen at $80 per ton.
All you must do is agree to buy a minimum of 353,092 tons for a
minimum of $10,592,760. You can arrange delivery for as long as 30
years. All that's required is you show you're credit worthy and sign
an agreement. For a company with a decent credit rating monthly
payments are $64,129.38 - for deliveries of 367,800 kg per month.
($0.174 per kg)
Post by Brad Guth
BTW;  The albedo of that moon on average is nearly as dark as coal,
The dark areas of the moon reflect 10% of incident light. Bright
ejecta reflect as much as 30%. The average reflectivity is 12%
According to Pearson - reflectances range from 0.5% to 1.7% for coking
coals, while coals generally can range as high as 8%.
Now, soil moisture content has been correlated with reflectance models
and raw soil on Earth ranges from 2.9% to to 11.8% - depending on
moisture content. Bodies of water on Earth have reflectances in the
6% to 8% range.
Newly paved asphalt roads have a reflectivity of 4% and old worn
asphalt roads have a reflectivity of 8%
So, imagine standing on a sunny day on a road. To the north, its
freshly paved, and its dark. To the south, old and worn, its fairly
bright. To the east is a coal field with very dark coking coal piled
high - its only 1.7% reflective - darker even than the new asphalt.
To the west, a freshly turned field after yesterday's rain. Its 3%
reflective. Twice a bright as the coking coal. And a lake between
the road and the field, 6% reflective brighter yet again, but darker
than the road. Next to it are evergreen trees, they're 5%
reflective. And in the bright blue sky is a full moon on the horizon
- which looks white even in the day.
Coking coal: 1.7%
Plowed field: 3.0%
New asphalt: 4.0%
Trees: 5.0%
Lake: 6.0%
Worn asphalt: 8.0%
Moon: 12%
So, you can see that you are just wrong Brad when you insist on saying
the moon is as dark as a lump of coal. Its not! Its brighter than
most things we see in this picture,
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GbhLmlUCIRI/TppDKPBphWI/AAAAAAAAB7A/h1aTpxSGQH8/s1600/Fullmoonrisingoverdriveway%25232.JPG
All of which is brighter than a lump of coal. Just ask this guy
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ifRR12H2VZY/TYvpB7mC_LI/AAAAAAAACaw/SlUVCQ-NFHE/s1600/publish_worksimages_Liu_Bolin_HITC_No.95_Coal_Pile_photograph_118x150cm_2010_xl-580x461.jpg
Post by Brad Guth
because if it wasn't physically dark we'd be blinded by that moonlight
No we wouldn't. We're not blinded by direct sunlight, we wouldn't be
blinded by something 12% as bright.
Post by Brad Guth
(any big chunk of coal or black anodized aluminum in LEO reflects as a
white-all-color or full spectrum item, especially looking
monochromatic when it's surrounded by only black) .
Aluminium alloys are anodized to increase corrosion resistance, to
increase surface hardness, and to allow dyeing (coloring), improved
lubrication, or improved adhesion, so I don't know what you are
getting at. These alloys are highly reflective at the right angle,
and are reflective in the infra-red.
Post by Brad Guth
 However,
unavoidably it also gives off a terrific amount of secondary/recoil
IR, as well as its anticathode metallicity gives off hard X-rays and
gamma.  Besides all of that, you've specifically admitted as to having
absolutely no photographic expertise in image interpreting, so at best
you're not the least bit qualified to interpret anything of those NASA/
Apollo and Kodak film images, that is if we're going by your own
statements.
Yes, I believe the Apollo astronauts went to the moon.
Post by Brad Guth
Are you saying that our NASA has only recently become corrupted and
dishonest?
No, they were formed 11 years after the signing of the 1947 National
Security Act. The rocket scientists brought over from Germany were a
cover to hide the fact we imported all the mind control scientists and
used them to create an army of sex slaves for the CIA so they could
corrupt our nation, our industry, and our people to benefit the
British Empire.
Post by Brad Guth
In which year did we lose control and our faith in all things DARPA
and NASA?
I awoke this year. Although, its clear we did go to the moon. The
Apollo trips are secondary to the role NASA played and continues to
play in maintaining a population of mind controlled child sex slaves
for the CIA to corrupt and control the world's politics and industry.
Post by Brad Guth
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Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Yes indeed, your cheap fusion energy goes right along with your
science fiction as based upon real physics that should work, is
noted.
The Jetter Cycle operates at room temperature.
http://pesn.com/2011/10/28/9501940_1_MW_E-Cat_Test_Successful/
So, its not science fiction.
As long as yourself and none others can deliver, it's science fiction,
though based upon good physics still doesn't count if you can't
deliver (at least there's still no public record of any Mokenergy
actually delivered).
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Meanwhile, we still need your cheap hydrogen plus anything
else that comes along with the package deal of Mokenergy and the
wizard of Oz that you claim to be.
I believe I gave you a quotation for hydrogen at $80 per ton.
All you must do is agree to buy a minimum of 353,092 tons for a
minimum of $10,592,760. You can arrange delivery for as long as 30
years. All that's required is you show you're credit worthy and sign
an agreement. For a company with a decent credit rating monthly
payments are $64,129.38 - for deliveries of 367,800 kg per month.
($0.174 per kg)
And apparently I'd be the one and only first client of Mokenergy.
Actually, if I were in charge of our dysfunctional DoE, I’d gladly
sign that contract and advance all necessary funds, except I’d go for
at least ten fold more to begin with (3.678e6 kg/month) because
$641,294/month is hardly a drop in the national energy bucket.

Do you see where I’m going with this?
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
BTW; The albedo of that moon on average is nearly as dark as coal,
The dark areas of the moon reflect 10% of incident light. Bright
ejecta reflect as much as 30%. The average reflectivity is 12%
Actually the average surface albedo considering the illumination angle
of +/- 90 degrees (as viewed from Earth or LEO) is closer to 7%.
Post by William Mook
According to Pearson - reflectances range from 0.5% to 1.7% for coking
coals, while coals generally can range as high as 8%.
As I've said many times before, our physically dark moon is nearly as
dark as coal.
Post by William Mook
Now, soil moisture content has been correlated with reflectance models
and raw soil on Earth ranges from 2.9% to to 11.8% - depending on
moisture content. Bodies of water on Earth have reflectances in the
6% to 8% range.
Newly paved asphalt roads have a reflectivity of 4% and old worn
asphalt roads have a reflectivity of 8%
So, imagine standing on a sunny day on a road. To the north, its
freshly paved, and its dark. To the south, old and worn, its fairly
bright. To the east is a coal field with very dark coking coal piled
high - its only 1.7% reflective - darker even than the new asphalt.
To the west, a freshly turned field after yesterday's rain. Its 3%
reflective. Twice a bright as the coking coal. And a lake between
the road and the field, 6% reflective brighter yet again, but darker
than the road. Next to it are evergreen trees, they're 5%
reflective. And in the bright blue sky is a full moon on the horizon
- which looks white even in the day.
Coking coal: 1.7%
Plowed field: 3.0%
New asphalt: 4.0%
Trees: 5.0%
Lake: 6.0%
Worn asphalt: 8.0%
Moon: 12%
So, you can see that you are just wrong Brad when you insist on saying
the moon is as dark as a lump of coal. Its not! Its brighter than
most things we see in this picture,
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GbhLmlUCIRI/TppDKPBphWI/AAAAAAAAB7A/h1aTpxS...
All of which is brighter than a lump of coal. Just ask this guy
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ifRR12H2VZY/TYvpB7mC_LI/AAAAAAAACaw/SlUVCQ-...
I've never once mention the unusually dark version of any highly
pulverized and washed or water sprayed coking coals, but then you
obviously need to protect your NASA mafia because without their
support you've got less than nothing to work with, not that our NASA
or any other agency has ever given you squat worth of support and much
less any mention in their archives of documentation. How about, is
their even one mention of William Mook or Mokenergy in any K12
textbook (outside of schizophrenic bipolar psychosis disorders to
watch out for)?
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
because if it wasn't physically dark we'd be blinded by that moonlight
No we wouldn't. We're not blinded by direct sunlight, we wouldn't be
blinded by something 12% as bright.
With a pitch black sky and everything else of Earth only moonlight
illuminated by what those NASA/Apollo and Kodak wizards recorded as
offering 65% to 75% reflective (easily calibrated by their own 85%
reflective moon-suits plus other Apollo equipment such as the photon
reflective gay neutrality of their anodized aluminum), would most
certainly be extremely blinding to us. Ever heard of “moonpans”?

Of course you’ve previously admitted total lack of any photographic
expertise, especially as dumbfounded about digital imaging which btw
has to include all of these digital scanned Kodak film obtained images
of our Apollo era recorded moon. So how the hell can you possibly
express any qualifications as to deductively interpreting those NASA/
Apollo images of our physically dark and naked moon that’s loaded with
complex metallicity to boot?

Are you also colorblind?
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
(any big chunk of coal or black anodized aluminum in LEO reflects as a
white-all-color or full spectrum item, especially looking as
monochromatic when it's surrounded by only black) .
Aluminium alloys are anodized to increase corrosion resistance, to
increase surface hardness, and to allow dyeing (coloring), improved
lubrication, or improved adhesion, so I don't know what you are
getting at. These alloys are highly reflective at the right angle,
and are reflective in the infra-red.
Nice FUD-master spin, or topic obfuscation, but still no cigar.
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
However,
unavoidably it also gives off a terrific amount of secondary/recoil
IR, as well as its anticathode metallicity gives off hard X-rays and
gamma. Besides all of that, you've specifically admitted as to having
absolutely no photographic expertise in image interpreting, so at best
you're not the least bit qualified to interpret anything of those NASA/
Apollo and Kodak film images, that is if we're going by your own
statements.
Yes, I believe the Apollo astronauts went to the moon.
Yes, but which highly reflective moon, or perhaps that of a certain
guano island might be a little easier to buy.
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Are you saying that our NASA has only recently become corrupted and
dishonest?
No, they were formed 11 years after the signing of the 1947 National
Security Act. The rocket scientists brought over from Germany were a
cover to hide the fact we imported all the mind control scientists and
used them to create an army of sex slaves for the CIA so they could
corrupt our nation, our industry, and our people to benefit the
British Empire.
With as many easily snookered and dumbfounded K12s (that obviously
includes the likes of yourself); why on Earth would any sort of
ulterior motivated mind control even be necessary?

Do you really think our K12+ educated are even 1% as smart as
yourself? (if so they seem to be really good at keeping themselves
hidden)
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
In which year did we lose control and our faith in all things DARPA
and NASA?
I awoke this year. Although, its clear we did go to the moon.
I've never stipulated that some of our Apollo stuff (w/o crew) didn't
make it to the surface.

What is it about our having absolutely zilch worth of purely fly-by-
rocket lander technology of that era, that don't you still can't
understand?
Post by William Mook
The Apollo trips are secondary to the role NASA played and continues
to play in maintaining a population of mind controlled child sex slaves
for the CIA to corrupt and control the world's politics and industry.
And yet somehow you honestly think this logic of insidious Catholic
Nazi derived "mind control" somehow plays perfectly well with the
technological expertise and other necessary talents for safely getting
us to/from our physically dark moon, as of 4+ decades ago?

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Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Yes indeed, your cheap fusion energy goes right along with your
science fiction as based upon real physics that should work, is
noted.
The Jetter Cycle operates at room temperature.
http://pesn.com/2011/10/28/9501940_1_MW_E-Cat_Test_Successful/
So, its not science fiction.
As long as yourself and none others can deliver, it's science fiction,
Wait a minute, a cold fusion generator was delivered last month.

http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/2nd-commercial-cold-fusion-generator-planned-for-2012/
Post by Brad Guth
though based upon good physics still doesn't count if you can't
deliver (at least there's still no public record of any Mokenergy
actually delivered).
So? If you'd care to buy some energy from me do so. You will have to
abide by the conditions of sale however.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Meanwhile, we still need your cheap hydrogen plus anything
else that comes along with the package deal of Mokenergy and the
wizard of Oz that you claim to be.
I believe I gave you a quotation for hydrogen at $80 per ton.
All you must do is agree to buy a minimum of 353,092 tons for a
minimum of  $10,592,760.  You can arrange delivery for as long as 30
years.  All that's required is you show you're credit worthy and sign
an agreement.  For a company with a decent credit rating monthly
payments are $64,129.38 - for deliveries of 367,800 kg per month.
($0.174 per kg)
And apparently I'd be the one and only first client of Mokenergy.
You wouldn't be.
Post by Brad Guth
Actually, if I were in charge of our dysfunctional DoE,
I will not work with any US agency for any reason.
Post by Brad Guth
I’d gladly
sign that contract and advance all necessary funds, except I’d go for
at least ten fold more to begin with (3.678e6 kg/month) because
$641,294/month is hardly a drop in the national energy bucket.
Correct.
Post by Brad Guth
Do you see where I’m going with this?
No.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
BTW;  The albedo of that moon on average is nearly as dark as coal,
The dark areas of the moon reflect 10% of incident light.  Bright
ejecta reflect as much as 30%.  The average reflectivity is 12%
Actually the average surface albedo considering the illumination angle
of +/- 90 degrees (as viewed from Earth or LEO) is closer to 7%.
Correct. Yet, on the surface of the moon its higher.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
According to Pearson - reflectances range from 0.5% to 1.7% for coking
coals, while coals generally can range as high as 8%.
As I've said many times before, our physically dark moon is nearly as
dark as coal.
Some coals sure. But generally speaking the moon is far brighter than
coal. Just hold a lump of coal on a night when there's a full moon -
and hold it up and look at it.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Now, soil moisture content has been correlated with reflectance models
and raw soil on Earth ranges from 2.9% to to 11.8% - depending on
moisture content.  Bodies of water on Earth have reflectances in the
6% to 8% range.
Newly paved asphalt roads have a reflectivity of 4% and old worn
asphalt roads have a reflectivity of 8%
So, imagine standing on a sunny day on a road.  To the north, its
freshly paved, and its dark.  To the south, old and worn, its fairly
bright.  To the east is a coal field with very dark coking coal piled
high - its only 1.7% reflective - darker even than the new asphalt.
To the west, a freshly turned field after yesterday's rain.  Its 3%
reflective.  Twice a bright as the coking coal.  And a lake between
the road and the field, 6% reflective brighter yet again, but darker
than the road.  Next to it are evergreen trees, they're 5%
reflective.  And in the bright blue sky is a full moon on the horizon
- which looks white even in the day.
    Coking coal:  1.7%
   Plowed field:   3.0%
   New asphalt:  4.0%
   Trees:             5.0%
              Lake:   6.0%
 Worn asphalt:  8.0%
            Moon:  12%
So, you can see that you are just wrong Brad when you insist on saying
the moon is as dark as a lump of coal.  Its not!  Its brighter than
most things we see in this picture,
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GbhLmlUCIRI/TppDKPBphWI/AAAAAAAAB7A/h1aTpxS...
All of which is brighter than a lump of coal.  Just ask this guy
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ifRR12H2VZY/TYvpB7mC_LI/AAAAAAAACaw/SlUVCQ-...
I've never once mention the unusually dark version of any highly
pulverized and washed or water sprayed coking coals,
All I'm saying Brad is that when you say the Moon is darker than coal,
you're saying something that is highly misleading.
Post by Brad Guth
but then you
obviously need to protect your NASA mafia
No I don't.
Post by Brad Guth
because without their
support you've got less than nothing to work with,
That's not true either.
Post by Brad Guth
not that our NASA
or any other agency has ever given you squat worth of support
Correct.
Post by Brad Guth
and much
less any mention in their archives of documentation.
Um.. well, I was present during the launch of the first Atlas 552. I
gave a talk to scientists at the Marshall Spaceflight Center when I
applied for DOT license for Orbatek back in the 1990s. I advised EOP
OST in 1995 for the Clinton Administration when they passed the Space
Policy Act of that year. I worked with DOE and DOD developing a
commercial plan for the use of the NEBA III reactor and the use of the
stored nuclear materials at Jackass Flats NV.

I advised EOP OST again in 2004 for the Bush Administration when the
Saudi's went off their $22 per barrel price cap and Bush was looking
for an alternative to paying that price.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/24911642/Report-to-OSTP-EOP-Dec-2004
Post by Brad Guth
How about, is
their even one mention of WilliamMookor Mokenergy in any K12
textbook (outside of schizophrenic bipolar psychosis disorders to
watch out for)?
There are so many things wrong with what you're saying that its hard
to figure how to respond to it.

[snip] pointless rants about Apollo not going to the moon.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Are you saying that our NASA has only recently become corrupted and
dishonest?
No, they were formed 11 years after the signing of the 1947 National
Security Act.  The rocket scientists brought over from Germany were a
cover to hide the fact we imported all the mind control scientists and
used them to create an army of sex slaves for the CIA so they could
corrupt our nation, our industry, and our people to benefit the
British Empire.
With as many easily snookered and dumbfounded K12s (that obviously
includes the likes of yourself); why on Earth would any sort of
ulterior motivated mind control even be necessary?
Do you really think our K12+ educated are even 1% as smart as
yourself? (if so they seem to be really good at keeping themselves
hidden)
Smart has nothing to do with it.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
In which year did we lose control and our faith in all things DARPA
and NASA?
I awoke this year.  Although, its clear we did go to the moon.
I've never stipulated that some of our Apollo stuff (w/o crew) didn't
make it to the surface.
What is it about our having absolutely zilch worth of purely fly-by-
rocket lander technology of that era, that don't you still can't
understand?
Just because you don't understand astrodynamics doesn't mean it didn't
happen Brad.

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/nasa58040.pdf
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
The Apollo trips are secondary to the role NASA played and continues
to play in maintaining a population of mind controlled child sex slaves
for the CIA to corrupt and control the world's politics and industry.
And yet somehow you honestly think this logic of insidious Catholic
Nazi derived "mind control" somehow plays perfectly well with the
technological expertise and other necessary talents for safely getting
us to/from our physically dark moon, as of 4+ decades ago?
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Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Yes indeed, your cheap fusion energy goes right along with your
science fiction as based upon real physics that should work, is
noted.
The Jetter Cycle operates at room temperature.
http://pesn.com/2011/10/28/9501940_1_MW_E-Cat_Test_Successful/
So, its not science fiction.
As long as yourself and none others can deliver, it's science fiction,
Wait a minute, a cold fusion generator was delivered last month.
http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/2nd-commercial-cold-fus...
Post by Brad Guth
though based upon good physics still doesn't count if you can't
deliver (at least there's still no public record of any Mokenergy
actually delivered).
So?  If you'd care to buy some energy from me do so.  You will have to
abide by the conditions of sale however.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Meanwhile, we still need your cheap hydrogen plus anything
else that comes along with the package deal of Mokenergy and the
wizard of Oz that you claim to be.
I believe I gave you a quotation for hydrogen at $80 per ton.
All you must do is agree to buy a minimum of 353,092 tons for a
minimum of  $10,592,760.  You can arrange delivery for as long as 30
years.  All that's required is you show you're credit worthy and sign
an agreement.  For a company with a decent credit rating monthly
payments are $64,129.38 - for deliveries of 367,800 kg per month.
($0.174 per kg)
And apparently I'd be the one and only first client of Mokenergy.
You wouldn't be.
Post by Brad Guth
Actually, if I were in charge of our dysfunctional DoE,
I will not work with any US agency for any reason.
Post by Brad Guth
I’d gladly
sign that contract and advance all necessary funds, except I’d go for
at least ten fold more to begin with (3.678e6 kg/month) because
$641,294/month is hardly a drop in the national energy bucket.
Correct.
Post by Brad Guth
Do you see where I’m going with this?
No.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
BTW;  The albedo of that moon on average is nearly as dark as coal,
The dark areas of the moon reflect 10% of incident light.  Bright
ejecta reflect as much as 30%.  The average reflectivity is 12%
Actually the average surface albedo considering the illumination angle
of +/- 90 degrees (as viewed from Earth or LEO) is closer to 7%.
Correct.   Yet, on the surface of the moon its higher.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
According to Pearson - reflectances range from 0.5% to 1.7% for coking
coals, while coals generally can range as high as 8%.
As I've said many times before, our physically dark moon is nearly as
dark as coal.
Some coals sure.  But generally speaking the moon is far brighter than
coal.  Just hold a lump of coal on a night when there's a full moon -
and hold it up and look at it.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Now, soil moisture content has been correlated with reflectance models
and raw soil on Earth ranges from 2.9% to to 11.8% - depending on
moisture content.  Bodies of water on Earth have reflectances in the
6% to 8% range.
Newly paved asphalt roads have a reflectivity of 4% and old worn
asphalt roads have a reflectivity of 8%
So, imagine standing on a sunny day on a road.  To the north, its
freshly paved, and its dark.  To the south, old and worn, its fairly
bright.  To the east is a coal field with very dark coking coal piled
high - its only 1.7% reflective - darker even than the new asphalt.
To the west, a freshly turned field after yesterday's rain.  Its 3%
reflective.  Twice a bright as the coking coal.  And a lake between
the road and the field, 6% reflective brighter yet again, but darker
than the road.  Next to it are evergreen trees, they're 5%
reflective.  And in the bright blue sky is a full moon on the horizon
- which looks white even in the day.
    Coking coal:  1.7%
   Plowed field:   3.0%
   New asphalt:  4.0%
   Trees:             5.0%
              Lake:   6.0%
 Worn asphalt:  8.0%
            Moon:  12%
So, you can see that you are just wrong Brad when you insist on saying
the moon is as dark as a lump of coal.  Its not!  Its brighter than
most things we see in this picture,
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GbhLmlUCIRI/TppDKPBphWI/AAAAAAAAB7A/h1aTpxS...
All of which is brighter than a lump of coal.  Just ask this guy
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ifRR12H2VZY/TYvpB7mC_LI/AAAAAAAACaw/SlUVCQ-...
I've never once mention the unusually dark version of any highly
pulverized and washed or water sprayed coking coals,
All I'm saying Brad is that when you say the Moon is darker than coal,
you're saying something that is highly misleading.
I've never once in my life said it was "darker than coal". Take your
bipolar medication and try reading for comprehension again.
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
but then you
obviously need to protect your NASA mafia
No I don't.
Post by Brad Guth
because without their
support you've got less than nothing to work with,
That's not true either.
Post by Brad Guth
not that our NASA
or any other agency has ever given you squat worth of support
Correct.
Post by Brad Guth
and much
less any mention in their archives of documentation.
Um..  well, I was present during the launch of the first Atlas 552.  I
gave a talk to scientists at the Marshall Spaceflight Center when I
applied for DOT license for Orbatek back in the 1990s.  I advised EOP
OST in 1995 for the Clinton Administration when they passed the Space
Policy Act of that year.  I worked with DOE and DOD developing a
commercial plan for the use of the NEBA III reactor and the use of the
stored nuclear materials at Jackass Flats NV.
I advised EOP OST again in 2004 for the Bush Administration when the
Saudi's went off their $22 per barrel price cap and Bush was looking
for an alternative to paying that price.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24911642/Report-to-OSTP-EOP-Dec-2004
Post by Brad Guth
How about, is
their even one mention of WilliamMookor Mokenergy in any K12
textbook (outside of schizophrenic bipolar psychosis disorders to
watch out for)?
There are so many things wrong with what you're saying that its hard
to figure how to respond to it.
[snip] pointless rants about Apollo not going to the moon.
[snip] pointless observationology dysfunctional rants by William Mook
that admits to being incapable of deductively interpreting an image.
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Are you saying that our NASA has only recently become corrupted and
dishonest?
No, they were formed 11 years after the signing of the 1947 National
Security Act.  The rocket scientists brought over from Germany were a
cover to hide the fact we imported all the mind control scientists and
used them to create an army of sex slaves for the CIA so they could
corrupt our nation, our industry, and our people to benefit the
British Empire.
With as many easily snookered and dumbfounded K12s (that obviously
includes the likes of yourself); why on Earth would any sort of
ulterior motivated mind control even be necessary?
Do you really think our K12+ educated are even 1% as smart as
yourself? (if so they seem to be really good at keeping themselves
hidden)
Smart has nothing to do with it.
Especially with you, that's absolute bullshit!

Are you trying to prove you're a better FUD-master than most?
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
In which year did we lose control and our faith in all things DARPA
and NASA?
I awoke this year.  Although, its clear we did go to the moon.
I've never stipulated that some of our Apollo stuff (w/o crew) didn't
make it to the surface.
What is it about our having absolutely zilch worth of purely fly-by-
rocket lander technology of that era, that don't you still can't
understand?
Just because you don't understand astrodynamics doesn't mean it didn't
happen Brad.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/nasa58040.pdf
Just because you don't understand the physics of photographics or
optical lens factors, doesn't mean that our NASA/Apollo era has told
us the whole truth and nothing but the truth. You are aware that
Kodak has not officially forensic certified any of those Apollo era
images.

What if there's only one bogus image?

How many errors or mistakes does a suspected criminal or mafia have to
make?

If our NASA/Apollo did exactly as they claim, they sure as hell can't
independently manage to objectively prove it. Are you saying that you
know more than our DARPA and NASA combined are willing to share?

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Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Yes indeed, your cheap fusion energy goes right along with your
science fiction as based upon real physics that should work, is
noted.
The Jetter Cycle operates at room temperature.
http://pesn.com/2011/10/28/9501940_1_MW_E-Cat_Test_Successful/
So, its not science fiction.
As long as yourself and none others can deliver, it's science fiction,
Wait a minute, a cold fusion generator was delivered last month.
http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/2nd-commercial-cold-fus...
Post by Brad Guth
though based upon good physics still doesn't count if you can't
deliver (at least there's still no public record of any Mokenergy
actually delivered).
So?  If you'd care to buy some energy from me do so.  You will have to
abide by the conditions of sale however.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Meanwhile, we still need your cheap hydrogen plus anything
else that comes along with the package deal of Mokenergy and the
wizard of Oz that you claim to be.
I believe I gave you a quotation for hydrogen at $80 per ton.
All you must do is agree to buy a minimum of 353,092 tons for a
minimum of  $10,592,760.  You can arrange delivery for as long as 30
years.  All that's required is you show you're credit worthy and sign
an agreement.  For a company with a decent credit rating monthly
payments are $64,129.38 - for deliveries of 367,800 kg per month.
($0.174 per kg)
And apparently I'd be the one and only first client of Mokenergy.
You wouldn't be.
Post by Brad Guth
Actually, if I were in charge of our dysfunctional DoE,
I will not work with any US agency for any reason.
Post by Brad Guth
I’d gladly
sign that contract and advance all necessary funds, except I’d go for
at least ten fold more to begin with (3.678e6 kg/month) because
$641,294/month is hardly a drop in the national energy bucket.
Correct.
Post by Brad Guth
Do you see where I’m going with this?
No.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
BTW;  The albedo of that moon on average is nearly as dark as coal,
The dark areas of the moon reflect 10% of incident light.  Bright
ejecta reflect as much as 30%.  The average reflectivity is 12%
Actually the average surface albedo considering the illumination angle
of +/- 90 degrees (as viewed from Earth or LEO) is closer to 7%.
Correct.   Yet, on the surface of the moon its higher.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
According to Pearson - reflectances range from 0.5% to 1.7% for coking
coals, while coals generally can range as high as 8%.
As I've said many times before, our physically dark moon is nearly as
dark as coal.
Some coals sure.  But generally speaking the moon is far brighter than
coal.  Just hold a lump of coal on a night when there's a full moon -
and hold it up and look at it.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Now, soil moisture content has been correlated with reflectance models
and raw soil on Earth ranges from 2.9% to to 11.8% - depending on
moisture content.  Bodies of water on Earth have reflectances in the
6% to 8% range.
Newly paved asphalt roads have a reflectivity of 4% and old worn
asphalt roads have a reflectivity of 8%
So, imagine standing on a sunny day on a road.  To the north, its
freshly paved, and its dark.  To the south, old and worn, its fairly
bright.  To the east is a coal field with very dark coking coal piled
high - its only 1.7% reflective - darker even than the new asphalt.
To the west, a freshly turned field after yesterday's rain.  Its 3%
reflective.  Twice a bright as the coking coal.  And a lake between
the road and the field, 6% reflective brighter yet again, but darker
than the road.  Next to it are evergreen trees, they're 5%
reflective.  And in the bright blue sky is a full moon on the horizon
- which looks white even in the day.
    Coking coal:  1.7%
   Plowed field:   3.0%
   New asphalt:  4.0%
   Trees:             5.0%
              Lake:   6.0%
 Worn asphalt:  8.0%
            Moon:  12%
So, you can see that you are just wrong Brad when you insist on saying
the moon is as dark as a lump of coal.  Its not!  Its brighter than
most things we see in this picture,
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GbhLmlUCIRI/TppDKPBphWI/AAAAAAAAB7A/h1aTpxS...
All of which is brighter than a lump of coal.  Just ask this guy
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ifRR12H2VZY/TYvpB7mC_LI/AAAAAAAACaw/SlUVCQ-...
I've never once mention the unusually dark version of any highly
pulverized and washed or water sprayed coking coals,
All I'm saying Brad is that when you say the Moon is darker than coal,
you're saying something that is highly misleading.
I've never once in my life said it was "darker than coal".
Then we have no disagreement.
Post by Brad Guth
Take your
bipolar medication and try reading for comprehension again.
hahaha - abusive commentary Brad reflects poorly on you, not me.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
but then you
obviously need to protect your NASA mafia
No I don't.
Post by Brad Guth
because without their
support you've got less than nothing to work with,
That's not true either.
Post by Brad Guth
not that our NASA
or any other agency has ever given you squat worth of support
Correct.
Post by Brad Guth
and much
less any mention in their archives of documentation.
Um..  well, I was present during the launch of the first Atlas 552.  I
gave a talk to scientists at the Marshall Spaceflight Center when I
applied for DOT license for Orbatek back in the 1990s.  I advised EOP
OST in 1995 for the Clinton Administration when they passed the Space
Policy Act of that year.  I worked with DOE and DOD developing a
commercial plan for the use of the NEBA III reactor and the use of the
stored nuclear materials at Jackass Flats NV.
I advised EOP OST again in 2004 for the Bush Administration when the
Saudi's went off their $22 per barrel price cap and Bush was looking
for an alternative to paying that price.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24911642/Report-to-OSTP-EOP-Dec-2004
Post by Brad Guth
How about, is
their even one mention of WilliamMookor Mokenergy in any K12
textbook (outside of schizophrenic bipolar psychosis disorders to
watch out for)?
There are so many things wrong with what you're saying that its hard
to figure how to respond to it.
[snip] pointless rants about Apollo not going to the moon.
[snip] pointless observationology dysfunctional rants by WilliamMook
that admits to being incapable of deductively interpreting an image.
The only thing I note about the images of Venus you keep talking about
is that the scale is all wrong. Also, last time Dr. Kraus observed
Venus with 'Big Ear' it was dead silent. Other than the occasional
lightning strike there wasn't anything going on there. So, that sort
of deflates the idea something as advanced as radio or radar is being
used on the planet.

Electrical storms, sure. Since 1956 - Kraus observed the planet
looking for narrow whatever signals the planet produced.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v178/n4535/abs/178687a0.html

Nada. Nothing. Zero. Goose Egg.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Are you saying that our NASA has only recently become corrupted and
dishonest?
No, they were formed 11 years after the signing of the 1947 National
Security Act.  The rocket scientists brought over from Germany were a
cover to hide the fact we imported all the mind control scientists and
used them to create an army of sex slaves for the CIA so they could
corrupt our nation, our industry, and our people to benefit the
British Empire.
With as many easily snookered and dumbfounded K12s (that obviously
includes the likes of yourself); why on Earth would any sort of
ulterior motivated mind control even be necessary?
Do you really think our K12+ educated are even 1% as smart as
yourself? (if so they seem to be really good at keeping themselves
hidden)
Smart has nothing to do with it.
Especially with you, that's absolute bullshit!
What's absolute Bullshit in your estimation Guth?
Post by Brad Guth
Are you trying to prove you're a better FUD-master than most?
I don't know what you mean by that term. Do you?
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
In which year did we lose control and our faith in all things DARPA
and NASA?
I awoke this year.  Although, its clear we did go to the moon.
I've never stipulated that some of our Apollo stuff (w/o crew) didn't
make it to the surface.
What is it about our having absolutely zilch worth of purely fly-by-
rocket lander technology of that era, that don't you still can't
understand?
Just because you don't understand astrodynamics doesn't mean it didn't
happen Brad.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/nasa58040.pdf
Just because you don't understand the physics of photographics or
optical lens factors, doesn't mean that our NASA/Apollo era has told
us the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Dude, read that publication I gave you a reference to. It shows
precisely how the landings on the Moon were accomplished.

They work too! When you're lifting a craft with rocket action from
exhaust only, the sorts of control used by Apollo for the LEM apply.
Recently in New Zealand, the Martin Company developed a VTOL 'jet
belt' that made use of these very same control algorithms. I had the
great opportunity to visit Martin and discuss this with them.

Before the application of Apollo type control algorithms


After

Post by Brad Guth
You are aware that
Kodak has not officially forensic certified any of those Apollo era
images.
Really? I guess you didn't see these words from Kodak recently;

http://1000words.kodak.com/thousandwords/post/?id=2401573
Post by Brad Guth
What if there's only one bogus image?
You mean like this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_the_Flag_on_Iwo_Jima#Publication_and_staging_confusion

Just because Iwo Jima was staged didn't mean the US didn't lose 6,000
troops and take the island after fierce fighting.
Post by Brad Guth
How many errors or mistakes does a suspected criminal or mafia have to
make?
I don't understand this question. You are marginalizing the dead
certain fact that NASA supports the kidnapping and brain washing of
infants and children to support the CIA MK-Ultra program to create a
variety of mind controlled slaves by pointlessly attacking the dead
certain fact that NASA actually went to the moon. I mean, you sound
like someone who's against nuclear power but thinks its just dandy
that humanity has thousands of nuclear weapons poised at the ready to
incinerate the planet!
Post by Brad Guth
If our NASA/Apollo did exactly as they claim, they sure as hell can't
independently manage to objectively prove it.
Dude, were you alive in 1969? It was in all the papers. Don't you
remember? I was and I remember. I believe overwhelmingly that Apollo
did as they say. The USSR said we did and they had no love of the USA
at the time. Japanese scientists also said we did years later.



and here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=nE6zqCq8dRs&NR=1
Post by Brad Guth
Are you saying that you
know more than our DARPA and NASA combined are willing to share?
I don't know what you're asking. Do you?
Post by Brad Guth
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Dude, reasonable people can disagree about a thing. You and I
disagree about whether Apollo went to the moon. You are getting waaay
too upset about it. Relax. Whatever really happened will be sorted
out in a few years when others get to the moon and report back.

In Sept 2010 China announced it will complete a piloted moon landing
in 2025, likely with the first woman on the moon. Orbiters of Mars
and Venus and the Moon by 2013. Landers and sample return 2017.
We're only a few years away from all of that.

http://china.globaltimes.cn/society/2010-09/575264.html

A manned orbit of the moon by China is doable today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Lunar_Exploration_Program

If they don't replicate the findings of the USSR and Japan, then, they
will report it.
Brad Guth
2011-12-22 05:28:56 UTC
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Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Yes indeed, your cheap fusion energy goes right along with your
science fiction as based upon real physics that should work, is
noted.
The Jetter Cycle operates at room temperature.
http://pesn.com/2011/10/28/9501940_1_MW_E-Cat_Test_Successful/
So, its not science fiction.
As long as yourself and none others can deliver, it's science fiction,
Wait a minute, a cold fusion generator was delivered last month.
http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/2nd-commercial-cold-fus...
Post by Brad Guth
though based upon good physics still doesn't count if you can't
deliver (at least there's still no public record of any Mokenergy
actually delivered).
So?  If you'd care to buy some energy from me do so.  You will have to
abide by the conditions of sale however.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Meanwhile, we still need your cheap hydrogen plus anything
else that comes along with the package deal of Mokenergy and the
wizard of Oz that you claim to be.
I believe I gave you a quotation for hydrogen at $80 per ton.
All you must do is agree to buy a minimum of 353,092 tons for a
minimum of  $10,592,760.  You can arrange delivery for as long as 30
years.  All that's required is you show you're credit worthy and sign
an agreement.  For a company with a decent credit rating monthly
payments are $64,129.38 - for deliveries of 367,800 kg per month.
($0.174 per kg)
And apparently I'd be the one and only first client of Mokenergy.
You wouldn't be.
Post by Brad Guth
Actually, if I were in charge of our dysfunctional DoE,
I will not work with any US agency for any reason.
Post by Brad Guth
I’d gladly
sign that contract and advance all necessary funds, except I’d go for
at least ten fold more to begin with (3.678e6 kg/month) because
$641,294/month is hardly a drop in the national energy bucket.
Correct.
Post by Brad Guth
Do you see where I’m going with this?
No.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
BTW;  The albedo of that moon on average is nearly as dark as coal,
The dark areas of the moon reflect 10% of incident light.  Bright
ejecta reflect as much as 30%.  The average reflectivity is 12%
Actually the average surface albedo considering the illumination angle
of +/- 90 degrees (as viewed from Earth or LEO) is closer to 7%.
Correct.   Yet, on the surface of the moon its higher.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
According to Pearson - reflectances range from 0.5% to 1.7% for coking
coals, while coals generally can range as high as 8%.
As I've said many times before, our physically dark moon is nearly as
dark as coal.
Some coals sure.  But generally speaking the moon is far brighter than
coal.  Just hold a lump of coal on a night when there's a full moon -
and hold it up and look at it.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Now, soil moisture content has been correlated with reflectance models
and raw soil on Earth ranges from 2.9% to to 11.8% - depending on
moisture content.  Bodies of water on Earth have reflectances in the
6% to 8% range.
Newly paved asphalt roads have a reflectivity of 4% and old worn
asphalt roads have a reflectivity of 8%
So, imagine standing on a sunny day on a road.  To the north, its
freshly paved, and its dark.  To the south, old and worn, its fairly
bright.  To the east is a coal field with very dark coking coal piled
high - its only 1.7% reflective - darker even than the new asphalt.
To the west, a freshly turned field after yesterday's rain.  Its 3%
reflective.  Twice a bright as the coking coal.  And a lake between
the road and the field, 6% reflective brighter yet again, but darker
than the road.  Next to it are evergreen trees, they're 5%
reflective.  And in the bright blue sky is a full moon on the horizon
- which looks white even in the day.
    Coking coal:  1.7%
   Plowed field:   3.0%
   New asphalt:  4.0%
   Trees:             5.0%
              Lake:   6.0%
 Worn asphalt:  8.0%
            Moon:  12%
So, you can see that you are just wrong Brad when you insist on saying
the moon is as dark as a lump of coal.  Its not!  Its brighter than
most things we see in this picture,
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GbhLmlUCIRI/TppDKPBphWI/AAAAAAAAB7A/h1aTpxS...
All of which is brighter than a lump of coal.  Just ask this guy
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ifRR12H2VZY/TYvpB7mC_LI/AAAAAAAACaw/SlUVCQ-...
I've never once mention the unusually dark version of any highly
pulverized and washed or water sprayed coking coals,
All I'm saying Brad is that when you say the Moon is darker than coal,
you're saying something that is highly misleading.
I've never once in my life said it was "darker than coal".
Then we have no disagreement.
Post by Brad Guth
Take your
bipolar medication and try reading for comprehension again.
hahaha - abusive commentary Brad reflects poorly on you, not me.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
but then you
obviously need to protect your NASA mafia
No I don't.
Post by Brad Guth
because without their
support you've got less than nothing to work with,
That's not true either.
Post by Brad Guth
not that our NASA
or any other agency has ever given you squat worth of support
Correct.
Post by Brad Guth
and much
less any mention in their archives of documentation.
Um..  well, I was present during the launch of the first Atlas 552.  I
gave a talk to scientists at the Marshall Spaceflight Center when I
applied for DOT license for Orbatek back in the 1990s.  I advised EOP
OST in 1995 for the Clinton Administration when they passed the Space
Policy Act of that year.  I worked with DOE and DOD developing a
commercial plan for the use of the NEBA III reactor and the use of the
stored nuclear materials at Jackass Flats NV.
I advised EOP OST again in 2004 for the Bush Administration when the
Saudi's went off their $22 per barrel price cap and Bush was looking
for an alternative to paying that price.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24911642/Report-to-OSTP-EOP-Dec-2004
Post by Brad Guth
How about, is
their even one mention of WilliamMookor Mokenergy in any K12
textbook (outside of schizophrenic bipolar psychosis disorders to
watch out for)?
There are so many things wrong with what you're saying that its hard
to figure how to respond to it.
[snip] pointless rants about Apollo not going to the moon.
[snip] pointless observationology dysfunctional rants by WilliamMook
that admits to being incapable of deductively interpreting an image.
The only thing I note about the images of Venus you keep talking about
is that the scale is all wrong.  Also, last time Dr. Kraus observed
Venus with 'Big Ear' it was dead silent.  Other than the occasional
lightning strike there wasn't anything going on there.  So, that sort
of deflates the idea something as advanced as radio or radar is being
used on the planet.
Electrical storms, sure.  Since 1956 - Kraus observed the planet
looking for narrow whatever signals the planet produced.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v178/n4535/abs/178687a0.html
Nada.  Nothing.  Zero.  Goose Egg.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Are you saying that our NASA has only recently become corrupted and
dishonest?
No, they were formed 11 years after the signing of the 1947 National
Security Act.  The rocket scientists brought over from Germany were a
cover to hide the fact we imported all the mind control scientists and
used them to create an army of sex slaves for the CIA so they could
corrupt our nation, our industry, and our people to benefit the
British Empire.
With as many easily snookered and dumbfounded K12s (that obviously
includes the likes of yourself); why on Earth would any sort of
ulterior motivated mind control even be necessary?
Do you really think our K12+ educated are even 1% as smart as
yourself? (if so they seem to be really good at keeping themselves
hidden)
Smart has nothing to do with it.
Especially with you, that's absolute bullshit!
What's absolute Bullshit in your estimation Guth?
Post by Brad Guth
Are you trying to prove you're a better FUD-master than most?
I don't know what you mean by that term.  Do you?
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
In which year did we lose control and our faith in all things DARPA
and NASA?
I awoke this year.  Although, its clear we did go to the moon.
I've never stipulated that some of our Apollo stuff (w/o crew) didn't
make it to the surface.
What is it about our having absolutely zilch worth of purely fly-by-
rocket lander technology of that era, that don't you still can't
understand?
Just because you don't understand astrodynamics doesn't mean it didn't
happen Brad.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/nasa58040.pdf
Just because you don't understand the physics of photographics or
optical lens factors, doesn't mean that our NASA/Apollo era has told
us the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Dude, read that publication I gave you a reference to.  It shows
precisely how the landings on the Moon were accomplished.
They work too!  When you're lifting a craft with rocket action from
exhaust only, the sorts of control used by Apollo for the LEM apply.
Recently in New Zealand, the Martin Company developed a VTOL 'jet
belt' that made use of these very same control algorithms.  I had the
great opportunity to visit Martin and discuss this with them.
Before the application of Apollo type control http://youtu.be/vyb6vnX1My0
http://youtu.be/NUypr5cNTAU
Post by Brad Guth
You are aware that
Kodak has not officially forensic certified any of those Apollo era
images.
Really?  I guess you didn't see these words from Kodak recently;
http://1000words.kodak.com/thousandwords/post/?id=2401573
Post by Brad Guth
What if there's only one bogus image?
You mean like this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_the_Flag_on_Iwo_Jima#Publication...
Just because Iwo Jima was staged didn't mean the US didn't lose 6,000
troops and take the island after fierce fighting.
Post by Brad Guth
How many errors or mistakes does a suspected criminal or mafia have to
make?
I don't understand this question.  You are marginalizing the dead
certain fact that NASA supports the kidnapping and brain washing of
infants and children to support the CIA MK-Ultra program to create a
variety of mind controlled slaves by pointlessly attacking the dead
certain fact that NASA actually went to the moon.  I mean, you sound
like someone who's against nuclear power but thinks its just dandy
that humanity has thousands of nuclear weapons poised at the ready to
incinerate the planet!
Post by Brad Guth
If our NASA/Apollo did exactly as they claim, they sure as hell can't
independently manage to objectively prove it.
Dude, were you alive in 1969?  It was in all the papers.  Don't you
remember?  I was and I remember.  I believe overwhelmingly that Apollo
did as they say.  The USSR said we did and they had no love of the USA
at the time.  Japanese scientists also said we did years later.
http://youtu.be/6r80qhoPB0g
and here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=nE6zqCq8dRs&NR=1
Post by Brad Guth
Are you saying that you
know more than our DARPA and NASA combined are willing to share?
I don't know what you're asking.  Do you?
Post by Brad Guth
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Dude, reasonable people can disagree about a thing.  You and I
disagree about whether Apollo went to the moon.  You are getting waaay
too upset about it.  Relax.  Whatever really happened will be sorted
out in a few years when others get to the moon and report back.
In Sept 2010 China announced it will complete a piloted moon landing
in 2025, likely with the first woman on the moon.  Orbiters of Mars
and Venus and the Moon by 2013.  Landers and sample return 2017.
We're only a few years away from all of that.
http://china.globaltimes.cn/society/2010-09/575264.html
A manned orbit of the moon by China is doable today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Lunar_Exploration_Program
If they don't replicate the findings of the USSR and Japan, then, they
will report it.
Your bipolar condition is noted, as is your lack of reading
comprehension. You obviously don't even have a clue as to what I'm
after.

You're the one that insist we've been under Catholic/Nazi mind
control, and otherwise you pretend to know how our government is so
screwed up from the very get-go, plus otherwise how it's currently
corrupted and dysfunctional, and yet you insist that our Nazi ARPA
which became DARPA and their public-funded NASA of the Apollo era were
all perfectly good-guys that never obfuscated nor having lied about a
damn thing. Good for you.

Apparently you'll have to keep living in the future because, you and
others of your remorseless kind have only screwed up everything of
today and the past. No wonder you really don't want to revise one
textbook word of history.

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Yes indeed, your cheap fusion energy goes right along with your
science fiction as based upon real physics that should work, is
noted.
The Jetter Cycle operates at room temperature.
http://pesn.com/2011/10/28/9501940_1_MW_E-Cat_Test_Successful/
So, its not science fiction.
As long as yourself and none others can deliver, it's science fiction,
Wait a minute, a cold fusion generator was delivered last month.
http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/2nd-commercial-cold-fus...
Post by Brad Guth
though based upon good physics still doesn't count if you can't
deliver (at least there's still no public record of any Mokenergy
actually delivered).
So?  If you'd care to buy some energy from me do so.  You will have to
abide by the conditions of sale however.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Meanwhile, we still need your cheap hydrogen plus anything
else that comes along with the package deal of Mokenergy and the
wizard of Oz that you claim to be.
I believe I gave you a quotation for hydrogen at $80 per ton.
All you must do is agree to buy a minimum of 353,092 tons for a
minimum of  $10,592,760.  You can arrange delivery for as long as 30
years.  All that's required is you show you're credit worthy and sign
an agreement.  For a company with a decent credit rating monthly
payments are $64,129.38 - for deliveries of 367,800 kg per month.
($0.174 per kg)
And apparently I'd be the one and only first client of Mokenergy.
You wouldn't be.
Post by Brad Guth
Actually, if I were in charge of our dysfunctional DoE,
I will not work with any US agency for any reason.
Post by Brad Guth
I’d gladly
sign that contract and advance all necessary funds, except I’d go for
at least ten fold more to begin with (3.678e6 kg/month) because
$641,294/month is hardly a drop in the national energy bucket.
Correct.
Post by Brad Guth
Do you see where I’m going with this?
No.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
BTW;  The albedo of that moon on average is nearly as dark as coal,
The dark areas of the moon reflect 10% of incident light.  Bright
ejecta reflect as much as 30%.  The average reflectivity is 12%
Actually the average surface albedo considering the illumination angle
of +/- 90 degrees (as viewed from Earth or LEO) is closer to 7%.
Correct.   Yet, on the surface of the moon its higher.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
According to Pearson - reflectances range from 0.5% to 1.7% for coking
coals, while coals generally can range as high as 8%.
As I've said many times before, our physically dark moon is nearly as
dark as coal.
Some coals sure.  But generally speaking the moon is far brighter than
coal.  Just hold a lump of coal on a night when there's a full moon -
and hold it up and look at it.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Now, soil moisture content has been correlated with reflectance models
and raw soil on Earth ranges from 2.9% to to 11.8% - depending on
moisture content.  Bodies of water on Earth have reflectances in the
6% to 8% range.
Newly paved asphalt roads have a reflectivity of 4% and old worn
asphalt roads have a reflectivity of 8%
So, imagine standing on a sunny day on a road.  To the north, its
freshly paved, and its dark.  To the south, old and worn, its fairly
bright.  To the east is a coal field with very dark coking coal piled
high - its only 1.7% reflective - darker even than the new asphalt.
To the west, a freshly turned field after yesterday's rain.  Its 3%
reflective.  Twice a bright as the coking coal.  And a lake between
the road and the field, 6% reflective brighter yet again, but darker
than the road.  Next to it are evergreen trees, they're 5%
reflective.  And in the bright blue sky is a full moon on the horizon
- which looks white even in the day.
    Coking coal:  1.7%
   Plowed field:   3.0%
   New asphalt:  4.0%
   Trees:             5.0%
              Lake:   6.0%
 Worn asphalt:  8.0%
            Moon:  12%
So, you can see that you are just wrong Brad when you insist on saying
the moon is as dark as a lump of coal.  Its not!  Its brighter than
most things we see in this picture,
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GbhLmlUCIRI/TppDKPBphWI/AAAAAAAAB7A/h1aTpxS...
All of which is brighter than a lump of coal.  Just ask this guy
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ifRR12H2VZY/TYvpB7mC_LI/AAAAAAAACaw/SlUVCQ-...
I've never once mention the unusually dark version of any highly
pulverized and washed or water sprayed coking coals,
All I'm saying Brad is that when you say the Moon is darker than coal,
you're saying something that is highly misleading.
I've never once in my life said it was "darker than coal".
Then we have no disagreement.
Post by Brad Guth
Take your
bipolar medication and try reading for comprehension again.
hahaha - abusive commentary Brad reflects poorly on you, not me.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
but then you
obviously need to protect your NASA mafia
No I don't.
Post by Brad Guth
because without their
support you've got less than nothing to work with,
That's not true either.
Post by Brad Guth
not that our NASA
or any other agency has ever given you squat worth of support
Correct.
Post by Brad Guth
and much
less any mention in their archives of documentation.
Um..  well, I was present during the launch of the first Atlas 552.  I
gave a talk to scientists at the Marshall Spaceflight Center when I
applied for DOT license for Orbatek back in the 1990s.  I advised EOP
OST in 1995 for the Clinton Administration when they passed the Space
Policy Act of that year.  I worked with DOE and DOD developing a
commercial plan for the use of the NEBA III reactor and the use of the
stored nuclear materials at Jackass Flats NV.
I advised EOP OST again in 2004 for the Bush Administration when the
Saudi's went off their $22 per barrel price cap and Bush was looking
for an alternative to paying that price.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24911642/Report-to-OSTP-EOP-Dec-2004
Post by Brad Guth
How about, is
their even one mention of WilliamMookor Mokenergy in any K12
textbook (outside of schizophrenic bipolar psychosis disorders to
watch out for)?
There are so many things wrong with what you're saying that its hard
to figure how to respond to it.
[snip] pointless rants about Apollo not going to the moon.
[snip] pointless observationology dysfunctional rants by WilliamMook
that admits to being incapable of deductively interpreting an image.
The only thing I note about the images of Venus you keep talking about
is that the scale is all wrong.  Also, last time Dr. Kraus observed
Venus with 'Big Ear' it was dead silent.  Other than the occasional
lightning strike there wasn't anything going on there.  So, that sort
of deflates the idea something as advanced as radio or radar is being
used on the planet.
Electrical storms, sure.  Since 1956 - Kraus observed the planet
looking for narrow whatever signals the planet produced.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v178/n4535/abs/178687a0.html
Nada.  Nothing.  Zero.  Goose Egg.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Are you saying that our NASA has only recently become corrupted and
dishonest?
No, they were formed 11 years after the signing of the 1947 National
Security Act.  The rocket scientists brought over from Germany were a
cover to hide the fact we imported all the mind control scientists and
used them to create an army of sex slaves for the CIA so they could
corrupt our nation, our industry, and our people to benefit the
British Empire.
With as many easily snookered and dumbfounded K12s (that obviously
includes the likes of yourself); why on Earth would any sort of
ulterior motivated mind control even be necessary?
Do you really think our K12+ educated are even 1% as smart as
yourself? (if so they seem to be really good at keeping themselves
hidden)
Smart has nothing to do with it.
Especially with you, that's absolute bullshit!
What's absolute Bullshit in your estimation Guth?
Post by Brad Guth
Are you trying to prove you're a better FUD-master than most?
I don't know what you mean by that term.  Do you?
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
In which year did we lose control and our faith in all things DARPA
and NASA?
I awoke this year.  Although, its clear we did go to the moon.
I've never stipulated that some of our Apollo stuff (w/o crew) didn't
make it to the surface.
What is it about our having absolutely zilch worth of purely fly-by-
rocket lander technology of that era, that don't you still can't
understand?
Just because you don't understand astrodynamics doesn't mean it didn't
happen Brad.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/nasa58040.pdf
Just because you don't understand the physics of photographics or
optical lens factors, doesn't mean that our NASA/Apollo era has told
us the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Dude, read that publication I gave you a reference to.  It shows
precisely how the landings on the Moon were accomplished.
They work too!  When you're lifting a craft with rocket action from
exhaust only, the sorts of control used by Apollo for the LEM apply.
Recently in New Zealand, the Martin Company developed a VTOL 'jet
belt' that made use of these very same control algorithms.  I had the
great opportunity to visit Martin and discuss this with them.
Before the application of Apollo type control http://youtu.be/vyb6vnX1My0
http://youtu.be/NUypr5cNTAU
Post by Brad Guth
You are aware that
Kodak has not officially forensic certified any of those Apollo era
images.
Really?  I guess you didn't see these words from Kodak recently;
http://1000words.kodak.com/thousandwords/post/?id=2401573
Post by Brad Guth
What if there's only one bogus image?
You mean like this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_the_Flag_on_Iwo_Jima#Publication...
Just because Iwo Jima was staged didn't mean the US didn't lose 6,000
troops and take the island after fierce fighting.
Post by Brad Guth
How many errors or mistakes does a suspected criminal or mafia have to
make?
I don't understand this question.  You are marginalizing the dead
certain fact that NASA supports the kidnapping and brain washing of
infants and children to support the CIA MK-Ultra program to create a
variety of mind controlled slaves by pointlessly attacking the dead
certain fact that NASA actually went to the moon.  I mean, you sound
like someone who's against nuclear power but thinks its just dandy
that humanity has thousands of nuclear weapons poised at the ready to
incinerate the planet!
Post by Brad Guth
If our NASA/Apollo did exactly as they claim, they sure as hell can't
independently manage to objectively prove it.
Dude, were you alive in 1969?  It was in all the papers.  Don't you
remember?  I was and I remember.  I believe overwhelmingly that Apollo
did as they say.  The USSR said we did and they had no love of the USA
at the time.  Japanese scientists also said we did years later.
http://youtu.be/6r80qhoPB0g
and here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=nE6zqCq8dRs&NR=1
Post by Brad Guth
Are you saying that you
know more than our DARPA and NASA combined are willing to share?
I don't know what you're asking.  Do you?
Post by Brad Guth
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Dude, reasonable people can disagree about a thing.  You and I
disagree about whether Apollo went to the moon.  You are getting waaay
too upset about it.  Relax.  Whatever really happened will be sorted
out in a few years when others get to the moon and report back.
In Sept 2010 China announced it will complete a piloted moon landing
in 2025, likely with the first woman on the moon.  Orbiters of Mars
and Venus and the Moon by 2013.  Landers and sample return 2017.
We're only a few years away from all of that.
http://china.globaltimes.cn/society/2010-09/575264.html
A manned orbit of the moon by China is doable today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Lunar_Exploration_Program
If they don't replicate the findings of the USSR and Japan, then, they
will report it.
Your bipolar condition is noted,
As with many things you say you have no basis for saying it except for
the way it makes you feel. So, its your problem dude, not mine.
Post by Brad Guth
as is your lack of reading
comprehension.
Hahaha - you've got to write things that make sense before others can
have a hope of making sense of what you write.
Post by Brad Guth
You obviously don't even have a clue as to what I'm
after.
True, but neither do you.
Post by Brad Guth
I doubt anyone knows that.
See, even you know you're a fraud.
Post by Brad Guth
You're the one that insist we've been under Catholic/Nazi mind
control,
Neo-Nazi I would say.
Post by Brad Guth
and otherwise you pretend to know how our government is so
screwed up from the very get-go, plus otherwise how it's currently
corrupted and dysfunctional, and yet you insist that our Nazi ARPA
which became DARPA and their public-funded NASA of the Apollo era were
all perfectly good-guys that never obfuscated nor having lied about a
damn thing.  Good for you.
Dude, you get so upset with people that disagree with you that you do
not make any sense. From what I've seen I think NASA has been
implicated in the MK-Ultra program providing all manner of resources.
They have been part of this from the very beginning going all the way
back to Project Paperclip. Now, throughout all of this JFK wanted to
send people to the moon. LBJ wanted to continue the program to
'honor' the fallen President. So, we went to the moon. That's the
way I see it. Now I may be wrong. But I don't think so, and nothing
you've said do I find convincing on this subject. I've also said I
don't believe there are aliens on Venus. Again, I don't find anything
convincing, and you continuing to ask me what I think and berating me
because I don't find the stuff you put out convincing is just an
excuse to get in an argument over bullshit. You're brainless I don't
know of any other way to say it. I'm trying to be polite and you see
that as some sort of invitation to an argument. haha - SEEK HELP
Brad! lol.
Post by Brad Guth
Apparently you'll have to keep living in the future because, you and
others of your remorseless kind have only screwed up everything of
today and the past.
Nonsense. Sure, there's a lot screwed up in the US since the 1947
National Security Act was signed and before that Title 28 of the
United States Code (U.S. Code), Section 533. These need to be
reversed and others.
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No wonder you really don't want to revise one
textbook word of history.
Its not up to me dude. The resources I have are publicly available.
Talk to the people who write text books.
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The next big problem...




FEMA

The Dark Underbelly

























by Bob Worn





From: BOB WORN
Subject: FEMA - The Dark Underbelly
Date: Sat, 10 Jan. 1998 00:49:27

EST NOTE FROM BOB: Ladies and gentlemen, please read this carefully
and thoroughly. This is not the
figment of a fertile imagination. It is a devious plan by many
previous administrations to replace America's
sovereignty with despotism. It is TRUE.

It is FEDERAL LAW. 1998 is meant to be The Year of FEMA.


FEMA - The Dark Underbelly

Some people have referred to it as the "secret government" of the
United States. It is not
an elected body, it does not involve itself in public disclosures, and
it even has a quasi-secret
budget in the hundreds of billions of dollars. This government
organization has more power
than the President of the United States or the Congress, more power
than "the people," it
has the power to suspend laws, move entire populations, arrest and
detain citizens without a
warrant and hold them without trial, it can seize property, food
supplies, transportation
systems, and can suspend the Constitution.
Not only is it the most powerful entity in the United States, but
it was not even created
under Constitutional law by the Congress. It was a product of a
Presidential Executive
Order. It is not the U.S. military, nor the Central Intelligence
Agency. These organizations
are subject to the control of Congress. The organization is called
FEMA, which stands for
the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Originally conceived in the
Richard Nixon
Administration, it was refined by Jimmy Carter and given teeth in the
Ronald Reagan and
George Bush Administrations.
FEMA had one original concept when it was created, to ensure the
survivability of the
United States government in the event of a nuclear attack on this
nation. It was also
provided with the task of being a federal coordinating body during
times of domestic
disasters, such as earthquakes, floods and hurricanes. Its awesome
powers grew under the
tutelage of people like Lt. Col. Oliver North and General Richard
Secord, the architects on
the Iran-Contra scandal and the looting of America's savings and loan
institutions. FEMA
has even been given control of the State Defense Forces, a rag-tag,
often considered neo-
Nazi, civilian army that will substitute for the National Guard, if
the Guard is called to duty
overseas.

THE MOST POWERFUL ORGANIZATION IN THE UNITED STATES

Though it may be the most powerful organization in the United
States, few people know
it even exists. FEMA has crept into our private lives. Even mortgage
papers contain FEMA's
name in small print if the property in question is near a flood plain.
FEMA was deeply
involved in the Los Angeles riots and the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake
in the San Francisco
Bay Area. Some of the black helicopter traffic reported throughout the
United States, but
mainly in the West, California, Washington, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas
and Colorado, are
flown by FEMA personnel. FEMA has been given responsibility for many
new disasters
including urban forest fires, home heating emergencies, refugee
situations, urban riots, and
emergency planning for nuclear and toxic incidents. In the West, it
works in conjunction
with the Sixth Army.
FEMA was created in a series of Executive Orders. A Presidential
Executive Order,
whether Constitutional or not, becomes law simply by its publication
in the Federal Register.
Congress is by-passed.
Executive Order Number 12148 created the Federal Emergency
Management Agency
that is to interface with the Department of Defense for civil defense
planning and funding.
An "emergency czar" was appointed. FEMA had spent only about 6 percent
of its budget on
national emergencies while the bulk of their funding had been used for
the construction of
ground facilities to ensure continuity of government in case of a
major emergency, foreign or
domestic.
Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security
Council as the principal
body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government
to increase
domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would
restrict the freedom of
movement within the United States and grant the government the right
to isolate large
groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal
all borders and take
control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry.
Here are just a few Executive Orders associated with FEMA that
would suspend the
Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been
on record for nearly
30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:


EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 ( 27 F.R. 1527 ) allows Secretary of
Transportation to take over ALL
modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports. It also
gives the Secretary of Commerce full control of the
production and distribution of ALL construction materials, gas, oil,
and power as well as ALL civilian, private
aviation facilities, highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 ( 27 F.R. 1519 ) allows the government to
seize and control the
communication media. It establishes the Telecommunications Management
Agency that provides for the "takeover" of
ALL communications media in the United States. This includes broadcast
and cable television, ALL radio stations,
ALL satellite earth stations and satellites and ALL telephone
companies and telephone systems in the United States.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 ( 27 F.R. 1522 ) allows the government to
take over ALL electrical power,
gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals. In other words, ALL sources of
energy.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 ( 27 F.R. 1524 ) allows the Secretary of
Agriculture to take over ALL food
resources and farms and farm equipment. This means that all privately
owned farmland and food resources will be
commandeered by the Federal Government, together with all farm
implements and equipment used to work this land.
ALL will become the property of the Federal Government.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999 - Provides for taking over all modes of
transportation, control of highways,
seaports, etc.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 ( 27 F.R. 1532 ) allows the Secretary of
Labor to "mobilize" civilians into
work brigades under government supervision. That's right, every
working American will be under the direct supervision
of the Federal Government. Where you work now or want to work in the
future is not a consideration. You will be
required to work where you are told to work. Have you ever considered
the term "slave labor"?

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 ( 27 F.R. 1534 ) allows the Secretary of
Health, Education and Welfare to
control ALL health services, doctors, hospitals, etc., ALL welfare
services and ALL educational programs and
facilities, public and private.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 ( 27 F.R. 1539 ) designates the Postmaster
General to operate a national
registration of ALL persons in the United States. This will account
for every American, his or her location and
"status."

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 ( 27 F.R. 1540 ) empowers the Federal
Aviation Administration to take
over ALL airports and commandeer ALL aircraft, including commercial
aircraft.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 ( 27 F.R. 1542 ) establishes the authority
for the Federal Housing
Administration (FHA) to take control of ALL housing, lodging and
community facilities in the United States. This
means the relocation, to a place of the government's choosing, of any
part of the population they choose to move. In other
words, it doesn't matter where you live now or what property you own,
it will become the property of the government and
THE GOVERNMENT WILL TELL YOU WHERE TO LIVE. It will relocate entire
communities, build
new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and
establish new locations for populations.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 ( 27 F.R. 1544 ) empowers the Interstate
Commerce Commission to take
over ALL railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 ( 27 F.R. 1688 ) specifies the
responsibility of the Office of Emergency
Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into
effect in times of increased international or domestic
tensions and economic or financial crisis.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 ( 32 F.R. 12877 ) directs the Department of
Justice to enforce the plans set
out in All Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to
establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all
aliens, to operate ALL penal and correctional institutions, and to
advise and assist the President.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11490 ( 34 F.R. 17567 ) authored by Richard Nixon
consolidates all previous
Executive Orders into one act of law. It also gave the Department of
Justice the power to control "alien enemies" and
all "other aliens" and to provide for their location, relocation,
restraint and/or custody. It also provides the power to
seize ALL property of the alien enemies and "other aliens." No
definition of terms was given to know who "alien
enemies" or "other aliens" are. It is left to the discretion of the
Department of Justice, i.e. Janet Reno! It allows the
Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish
control over the mechanisms of production and
distribution of ALL energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the
flow of money in U.S. financial institutions in any
undefined national emergency. It makes mandatory the confiscation and
control of ALL monetary items and the entire
financial structure and assets of the United States of America,
public, private and institutional by the Secretary of the
Treasury. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared
by the President, Congress cannot review the action
for six months.

And last but not least, on 20 July 1979 "You Can Trust Me"
President Jimmy Carter authored
EXECUTIVE ORDER 12148 ( 44 F.R. 43239 ) which completes the plan for
the COMPLETE
DICTATORSHIP RULE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. In this E.O.
President Carter
places the powers previously given to separate agencies or departments/
administrations under the SOLE CONTROL
of FEMA - the Federal Emergency Management Agency. He also "handed
off" to FEMA many powers previously
held ONLY BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA such as
FULL
CONTROL OF THE MILITARY FORCES. Yes, FEMA can now assume the powers
and duties of the
President, in violation of the Constitution of the United States of
America. All that is needed to implement these
controls is the declaration of a national emergency by any President.
Neither Congress, previous Presidents nor the
courts have ever rendered a definition of a "National Emergency"!

EXECUTIVE ORDER 12803 - Provides for privatization of nation's
infrastructure through sale of public
assets to private parties.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 12919 - Brings everything not covered above under
total government control.
The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every
aspect of the
nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division
stated in a 1983
conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the
protection of individual and
governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military
installations from sabotage
and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining
access to U.S. opinion,
or a global audience in times of crisis."
FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to
incorporate: the National
Security Act of 1947, which allows for the strategic relocation of
industries, services,
government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize
the requirements for
manpower, resources and production facilities;
The 1950 Defense Production Act, which gives the President
sweeping powers over all
aspects of the economy;
The Act of August 29, 1916, which authorizes the Secretary of the
Army, in time of war,
to take possession of any transportation system for transporting
troops, material, or any
other purpose related to the emergency; and
The International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which enables
the President to
seize the property of a foreign country or national. These powers were
transferred to FEMA
in a sweeping consolidation in 1979.

SOUTH FLORIDA / SOUTH LOUISIANA "FUBAR" FOCUSED ATTENTION ON
FEMA

FEMA's deceptive role really did not come to light with much of
the public until
Hurricane Andrew smashed into the U.S. mainland. As Russell R. Dynes,
director of the
Disaster Research Center of the University of Delaware, wrote in The
World and I, "...The
eye of the political storm hovered over the Federal Emergency
Management Agency. FEMA
became a convenient target for criticism." Because FEMA was accused of
dropping the ball
in Florida, the media and Congress commenced to study this agency.
What came out of the
critical look was that FEMA was spending 12 times more for "black
operations" than for
disaster relief. It spent $4.3 billion building secret bunkers
throughout the United States in
anticipation of government disruption by foreign or domestic upheaval.
Fewer than 20
members of Congress, only members with top security clearance, know of
the $4.3 billion
expenditure by FEMA for non-natural disaster situations. These few
Congressional leaders
state that FEMA has a "black curtain" around its operations. FEMA had
worked on
National Security programs since 1979, and its predecessor, the
Federal Emergency
Preparedness Agency, had secretly spent billions of dollars before
being merged into FEMA
by President Carter in 1979.
FEMA has developed 300 sophisticated mobile units that are
capable of sustaining
themselves for a month. The vehicles are located in five areas of the
United States. They
have tremendous communication systems and each contains a generator
that would provide
power to 120 homes each, but have never been used for disaster
relief.
FEMA's enormous powers can be triggered easily. In any form of
domestic or foreign
problem, perceived and not always actual, emergency powers can be
enacted. The President
of the United States now has broader powers to declare martial law,
which activates FEMA's
extra-ordinary powers. Martial law can be declared during time of
increased tension overseas,
economic problems within the United States, such as a depression,
civil unrest,
demonstrations or scenes like the Los Angeles riots, and in a drug
crisis. These Presidential
powers have increased with successive Crime Bills, particularly the
1991 and 1993 Crime
Bills, which increase the power to suspend the rights guaranteed under
the Constitution and
to seize property from those suspected of being drug dealers and to
individuals who
participate in a public protest or demonstration. Under emergency
plans already in existence,
the power exists to suspend the Constitution and turn over the reigns
of government to
FEMA and appointing military commanders to run state and local
governments. FEMA
then would have the right to order the detention of anyone whom there
is reasonable
ground to believe...will engage in, or probably conspire with others
to engage in acts of
espionage or sabotage. The plan also authorized the establishment of
concentration camps
for detaining the accused, but no trial.
Three times since 1984, FEMA stood on the threshold of taking
control of the nation,
once under President Reagan in 1984, and twice under President Bush in
1990 and 1992.
Under those three scenarios, there was not a sufficient crisis to
warrant risking martial law.
Most experts on the subject of FEMA and Martial Law insisted that a
crisis has to appear
dangerous enough for the people of the United States before they would
tolerate or accept
complete government takeover. The typical crisis needed would be
threat of imminent
nuclear war, rioting in several U.S. cities simultaneously a-la South
Central Los Angeles and
any other city, a series of national disasters that affect widespread
danger to the populous,
massive terrorist attacks, a depression in which tens of millions are
unemployed and without
financial resources, or a major environmental disaster.

THREE TIMES FEMA STOOD BY READY FOR EMERGENCY

In April 1984, President Reagan signed Presidential Directive
Number 54 that allowed
FEMA to engage in a secret national "readiness exercise" under the
code name of REX 84.
The exercise was to test FEMA's readiness to assume military authority
in the event of a
"State of Domestic National Emergency" concurrent with the launching
of a direct United
States military operation in Central America. The plan called for the
deputation of U.S.
military and National Guard units so that they could legally be used
for domestic law
enforcement. These units would be assigned to conduct sweeps and take
into custody an
estimated 400,000 undocumented Central American immigrants in the
United States. The
immigrants would be interned at 10 detention centers to be set up at
military bases and other
detention centers throughout the country.
REX 84 was so highly guarded that special metal security doors
were placed on the fifth
floor of the FEMA building in Washington, D.C. Even long-standing
employees of the Civil
Defense team of the Federal Executive Department possessing the
highest possible security
clearances were not being allowed through the newly installed metal
security doors. Only
personnel wearing a special red Christian cross or crucifix lapel pin
were allowed into the
premises. Lt. Col. North was responsible for drawing up the emergency
plan, which U.S.
Attorney General William French Smith opposed vehemently. The plan
called for the
suspension of the Constitution, turning control of the government over
to FEMA,
appointment of military commanders to run state and local governments
and the declaration
of Martial Law. The Presidential Executive Orders to support such a
plan were already in
place. The plan also advocated the rounding up and transfer to
"assembly centers or
relocation camps" of at least 21 million American Negroes in the event
of massive rioting or
disorder, not unlike the rounding up of the Jews in Nazi Germany in
the 1930's.
The second known time that FEMA stood by was in 1990 when Desert
Storm was
enacted. Prior to President Bush's invasion of Iraq, FEMA began to
draft new legislation to
increase its already formidable powers. One of the elements
incorporated into the plan was
to set up operations within any state or locality without the prior
permission of local or state
authorities. Such prior permission has always been required in the
past. Much of the
mechanism being set into place was in anticipation of the economic
collapse of the Western
World. The war with Iraq may have been conceived as a ploy to boost
the bankrupt
economy, but it only pushed the West into deeper recession. Please
remember that a deep
recession or all-out depression would be a cause for declaring martial
law. Think of what the
stock market is doing this week, 1 to 7 Jan.
The third scenario for FEMA came with the Los Angeles riots after
the Rodney King
brutality verdict. Had the rioting spread to other cities, FEMA would
have been empowered
to act. As it was, major rioting only occurred in the Los Angeles
area, thus preventing a
pretext for a FEMA response.
On July 5, 1987, the Miami Herald published reports on FEMA's new
goals. The goal
was to suspend the Constitution in the event of a national crisis,
such as nuclear war, violent
and wide- spread internal dissent, or national opposition to a U.S.
military invasion abroad.
Lt. Col. North was the architect. National Security Directive Number
52 issued in August
1982, pertains to the "Use of National Guard Troops to Quell
Disturbances."
The crux of the problem is that FEMA has the power to turn the
United States into a
police state in time of a real crisis or a manufactured crisis. Lt.
Col. North virtually
established the apparatus for dictatorship. Only the criticism of the
Attorney General
prevented the plans from being adopted. Intelligence reports indicate
that FEMA has a
folder with 22 Executive Orders for the President to sign in case of
an emergency. It is
believed those Executive Orders contain the framework of North's
concepts, delayed by
criticism but never truly abandoned.
The crisis, as the government now sees it, is civil unrest. For
generations, the government
was concerned with nuclear war, but the violent and disruptive
demonstrations that
surrounded the Vietnam War era prompted President Nixon to change the
direction of
emergency powers from war time to times of domestic unrest. Diana
Reynolds, program
director of the Edward R. Morrow Center, summed up the dangers of FEMA
today and the
public reaction to Martial Law in a drug crisis: "It was James
Madison's worst nightmare that
a righteous faction would someday be strong enough to sweep away the
Constitutional
restraints designed by the framers to prevent the tyranny of
centralized power, excessive
privilege, an arbitrary governmental authority over the individual.
These restraints, the
balancing and checking of powers among branches and layers of
government, and the civil
guarantees, would be the first casualties in a drug-induced national
security state with
Reagan's Civil Emergency Preparedness unleashed. Nevertheless, there
would be those who
would welcome NSC (National Security Council) into the drug fray,
believing that increasing
state police powers to emergency levels is the only way left to fight
America's enemy within.
In the short run a national security state would probably be a relief
to those whose personal
security and quality of life has been diminished by drugs or drug
related crime. And, as the
general public watches the progression of institutional chaos and
social decay, they too may
be willing to pay the ultimate price, one drug free America for 200
years of a free and
dynamic republic. God forbid!
The first targets in any FEMA emergency will be the Hispanics and
the blacks. FEMA's
orders call for them to be rounded up and detained. Tax protesters,
demonstrators against
government military intervention outside U.S. borders, those who are
ever vocal to point out
the shortcomings of the government or the present administration and
the grossly apparent
usurpations of the citizens' rights by that government and people who
maintain weapons in
their homes are also targets. Operation Trojan Horse is a program
designed to learn the
identity of potential opponents to martial law. The operation set up
by the FBI at Burke,
South Dakota (The Tri-State Militia) is an outstanding example of a
Trojan Horse. The
program lures potential protesters into public forums, conducted by a
leader of the people
who advocates readiness and survival training. The list of names
gathered at such meetings
and rallies are computerized and then targeted in case of an
emergency. Just a short time ago,
the news broke of a highly sophisticated Top Secret computer system in
the White House
called WHO DB. It is reported that this data base contains over
200,000 persons. It tracks
such things as whether the subject supports or opposes issues such as
same sex marriages,
gays in the military and whether the subject speaks out against the
administration. Yes,
patriots will be targeted!
The most shining example of America to the world has been its
peaceful transition of
government from one administration to another. Despite crises of great
magnitude, the
United States has maintained its freedom and liberty. This nation now
stands on the
threshold of rule by non-elected people asserting non-Constitutional
powers. Even Congress
cannot review a Martial Law action until six months after it has been
declared. For the first
time in American history, the reigns of government would not be
transferred from one
elected element to another. The Constitution of the United States will
be "suspended." The
same Constitution that many of us swore to "support and defend against
all enemies, foreign
or DOMESTIC."

Dear God, where are my comrades, why do they not rally?!

The scenarios established to trigger FEMA into action are
generally found in the society
of today; economic collapse, civil unrest, drug problems, terrorist
attacks, distrust of the
government by a majority of the people, protests against American
intervention in a foreign
country. With all of these premises existing, it could only be a
matter of time until one of
these triggers the entire emergency necessary to bring FEMA into
action, and then it may be
too late, because under the FEMA plan, there is no contingency by
which Constitutional
power is restored.

Please cogitate.........

May God Bless America, what ever its course.
Bob Worn





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E.O. 13083 - Issued May 14, 1998, called "Federalism", is
designed to take more powers from the
states and give them to Federal Government agencies, such as F.E.M.A..
This E.O. revokes President
Ronald Reagan's 1987 E.O. 12612 on Federalism, which recognized that
our Constitution reserves
many important powers to the states.

Following are some of the Matters that E.O. 13083 asserts
"justify Federal action":

- "When there is a need for uniform national standards."

- "When decentralization increases the cost of government thus
imposing additional burdens on
the taxpayer."

- "When states have not adequately protected individuals rights
and liberties."

- "When States would be reluctant to impose necessary regulations
because of fears that regulated
business activity will relocate to other states."

- "When placing regulatory authority at the State or local level
would undermine regulatory goals
because high costs or demands for specialized expertise will
effectively place the regulatory matter
beyond the resources of State authorities."

- "When the matter relates to Federally owned or managed property
or natural resources, trust
obligations, or international obligations."

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Yes indeed, your cheap fusion energy goes right along with your
science fiction as based upon real physics that should work, is
noted.
The Jetter Cycle operates at room temperature.
http://pesn.com/2011/10/28/9501940_1_MW_E-Cat_Test_Successful/
So, its not science fiction.
As long as yourself and none others can deliver, it's science fiction,
Wait a minute, a cold fusion generator was delivered last month.
http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/2nd-commercial-cold-fus...
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though based upon good physics still doesn't count if you can't
deliver (at least there's still no public record of any Mokenergy
actually delivered).
So?  If you'd care to buy some energy from me do so.  You will have to
abide by the conditions of sale however.
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Meanwhile, we still need your cheap hydrogen plus anything
else that comes along with the package deal of Mokenergy and the
wizard of Oz that you claim to be.
I believe I gave you a quotation for hydrogen at $80 per ton.
All you must do is agree to buy a minimum of 353,092 tons for a
minimum of  $10,592,760.  You can arrange delivery for as long as 30
years.  All that's required is you show you're credit worthy and sign
an agreement.  For a company with a decent credit rating monthly
payments are $64,129.38 - for deliveries of 367,800 kg per month.
($0.174 per kg)
And apparently I'd be the one and only first client of Mokenergy.
You wouldn't be.
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Actually, if I were in charge of our dysfunctional DoE,
I will not work with any US agency for any reason.
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I’d gladly
sign that contract and advance all necessary funds, except I’d go for
at least ten fold more to begin with (3.678e6 kg/month) because
$641,294/month is hardly a drop in the national energy bucket.
Correct.
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Do you see where I’m going with this?
No.
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BTW;  The albedo of that moon on average is nearly as dark as coal,
The dark areas of the moon reflect 10% of incident light.  Bright
ejecta reflect as much as 30%.  The average reflectivity is 12%
Actually the average surface albedo considering the illumination angle
of +/- 90 degrees (as viewed from Earth or LEO) is closer to 7%.
Correct.   Yet, on the surface of the moon its higher.
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According to Pearson - reflectances range from 0.5% to 1.7% for coking
coals, while coals generally can range as high as 8%.
As I've said many times before, our physically dark moon is nearly as
dark as coal.
Some coals sure.  But generally speaking the moon is far brighter than
coal.  Just hold a lump of coal on a night when there's a full moon -
and hold it up and look at it.
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Now, soil moisture content has been correlated with reflectance models
and raw soil on Earth ranges from 2.9% to to 11.8% - depending on
moisture content.  Bodies of water on Earth have reflectances in the
6% to 8% range.
Newly paved asphalt roads have a reflectivity of 4% and old worn
asphalt roads have a reflectivity of 8%
So, imagine standing on a sunny day on a road.  To the north, its
freshly paved, and its dark.  To the south, old and worn, its fairly
bright.  To the east is a coal field with very dark coking coal piled
high - its only 1.7% reflective - darker even than the new asphalt.
To the west, a freshly turned field after yesterday's rain.  Its 3%
reflective.  Twice a bright as the coking coal.  And a lake between
the road and the field, 6% reflective brighter yet again, but darker
than the road.  Next to it are evergreen trees, they're 5%
reflective.  And in the bright blue sky is a full moon on the horizon
- which looks white even in the day.
    Coking coal:  1.7%
   Plowed field:   3.0%
   New asphalt:  4.0%
   Trees:             5.0%
              Lake:   6.0%
 Worn asphalt:  8.0%
            Moon:  12%
So, you can see that you are just wrong Brad when you insist on saying
the moon is as dark as a lump of coal.  Its not!  Its brighter than
most things we see in this picture,
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GbhLmlUCIRI/TppDKPBphWI/AAAAAAAAB7A/h1aTpxS...
All of which is brighter than a lump of coal.  Just ask this guy
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ifRR12H2VZY/TYvpB7mC_LI/AAAAAAAACaw/SlUVCQ-...
I've never once mention the unusually dark version of any highly
pulverized and washed or water sprayed coking coals,
All I'm saying Brad is that when you say the Moon is darker than coal,
you're saying something that is highly misleading.
I've never once in my life said it was "darker than coal".
Then we have no disagreement.
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Take your
bipolar medication and try reading for comprehension again.
hahaha - abusive commentary Brad reflects poorly on you, not me.
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but then you
obviously need to protect your NASA mafia
No I don't.
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because without their
support you've got less than nothing to work with,
That's not true either.
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not that our NASA
or any other agency has ever given you squat worth of support
Correct.
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and much
less any mention in their archives of documentation.
Um..  well, I was present during the launch of the first Atlas 552.  I
gave a talk to scientists at the Marshall Spaceflight Center when I
applied for DOT license for Orbatek back in the 1990s.  I advised EOP
OST in 1995 for the Clinton Administration when they passed the Space
Policy Act of that year.  I worked with DOE and DOD developing a
commercial plan for the use of the NEBA III reactor and the use of the
stored nuclear materials at Jackass Flats NV.
I advised EOP OST again in 2004 for the Bush Administration when the
Saudi's went off their $22 per barrel price cap and Bush was looking
for an alternative to paying that price.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24911642/Report-to-OSTP-EOP-Dec-2004
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How about, is
their even one mention of WilliamMookor Mokenergy in any K12
textbook (outside of schizophrenic bipolar psychosis disorders to
watch out for)?
There are so many things wrong with what you're saying that its hard
to figure how to respond to it.
[snip] pointless rants about Apollo not going to the moon.
[snip] pointless observationology dysfunctional rants by WilliamMook
that admits to being incapable of deductively interpreting an image.
The only thing I note about the images of Venus you keep talking about
is that the scale is all wrong.  Also, last time Dr. Kraus observed
Venus with 'Big Ear' it was dead silent.  Other than the occasional
lightning strike there wasn't anything going on there.  So, that sort
of deflates the idea something as advanced as radio or radar is being
used on the planet.
Electrical storms, sure.  Since 1956 - Kraus observed the planet
looking for narrow whatever signals the planet produced.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v178/n4535/abs/178687a0.html
Nada.  Nothing.  Zero.  Goose Egg.
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Are you saying that our NASA has only recently become corrupted and
dishonest?
No, they were formed 11 years after the signing of the 1947 National
Security Act.  The rocket scientists brought over from Germany were a
cover to hide the fact we imported all the mind control scientists and
used them to create an army of sex slaves for the CIA so they could
corrupt our nation, our industry, and our people to benefit the
British Empire.
With as many easily snookered and dumbfounded K12s (that obviously
includes the likes of yourself); why on Earth would any sort of
ulterior motivated mind control even be necessary?
Do you really think our K12+ educated are even 1% as smart as
yourself? (if so they seem to be really good at keeping themselves
hidden)
Smart has nothing to do with it.
Especially with you, that's absolute bullshit!
What's absolute Bullshit in your estimation Guth?
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Are you trying to prove you're a better FUD-master than most?
I don't know what you mean by that term.  Do you?
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In which year did we lose control and our faith in all things DARPA
and NASA?
I awoke this year.  Although, its clear we did go to the moon.
I've never stipulated that some of our Apollo stuff (w/o crew) didn't
make it to the surface.
What is it about our having absolutely zilch worth of purely fly-by-
rocket lander technology of that era, that don't you still can't
understand?
Just because you don't understand astrodynamics doesn't mean it didn't
happen Brad.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/nasa58040.pdf
Just because you don't understand the physics of photographics or
optical lens factors, doesn't mean that our NASA/Apollo era has told
us the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Dude, read that publication I gave you a reference to.  It shows
precisely how the landings on the Moon were accomplished.
They work too!  When you're lifting a craft with rocket action from
exhaust only, the sorts of control used by Apollo for the LEM apply.
Recently in New Zealand, the Martin Company developed a VTOL 'jet
belt' that made use of these very same control algorithms.  I had the
great opportunity to visit Martin and discuss this with them.
Before the application of Apollo type control http://youtu.be/vyb6vnX1My0
http://youtu.be/NUypr5cNTAU
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You are aware that
Kodak has not officially forensic certified any of those Apollo era
images.
Really?  I guess you didn't see these words from Kodak recently;
http://1000words.kodak.com/thousandwords/post/?id=2401573
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What if there's only one bogus image?
You mean like this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_the_Flag_on_Iwo_Jima#Publication...
Just because Iwo Jima was staged didn't mean the US didn't lose 6,000
troops and take the island after fierce fighting.
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How many errors or mistakes does a suspected criminal or mafia have to
make?
I don't understand this question.  You are marginalizing the dead
certain fact that NASA supports the kidnapping and brain washing of
infants and children to support the CIA MK-Ultra program to create a
variety of mind controlled slaves by pointlessly attacking the dead
certain fact that NASA actually went to the moon.  I mean, you sound
like someone who's against nuclear power but thinks its just dandy
that humanity has thousands of nuclear weapons poised at the ready to
incinerate the planet!
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If our NASA/Apollo did exactly as they claim, they sure as hell can't
independently manage to objectively prove it.
Dude, were you alive in 1969?  It was in all the papers.  Don't you
remember?  I was and I remember.  I believe overwhelmingly that Apollo
did as they say.  The USSR said we did and they had no love of the USA
at the time.  Japanese scientists also said we did years later.
http://youtu.be/6r80qhoPB0g
and here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=nE6zqCq8dRs&NR=1
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Are you saying that you
know more than our DARPA and NASA combined are willing to share?
I don't know what you're asking.  Do you?
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Dude, reasonable people can disagree about a thing.  You and I
disagree about whether Apollo went to the moon.  You are getting waaay
too upset about it.  Relax.  Whatever really happened will be sorted
out in a few years when others get to the moon and report back.
In Sept 2010 China announced it will complete a piloted moon landing
in 2025, likely with the first woman on the moon.  Orbiters of Mars
and Venus and the Moon by 2013.  Landers and sample return 2017.
We're only a few years away from all of that.
http://china.globaltimes.cn/society/2010-09/575264.html
A manned orbit of the moon by China is doable today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Lunar_Exploration_Program
If they don't replicate the findings of the USSR and Japan, then, they
will report it.
Your bipolar condition is noted,
As with many things you say you have no basis for saying it except for
the way it makes you feel.  So, its your problem dude, not mine.
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as is your lack of reading
comprehension.
Hahaha - you've got to write things that make sense before others can
have a hope of making sense of what you write.
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You obviously don't even have a clue as to what I'm
after.
True, but neither do you.
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I doubt anyone knows that.
See, even you know you're a fraud.
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You're the one that insist we've been under Catholic/Nazi mind
control,
Neo-Nazi I would say.
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and otherwise you pretend to know how our government is so
screwed up from the very get-go, plus otherwise how it's currently
corrupted and dysfunctional, and yet you insist that our Nazi ARPA
which became DARPA and their public-funded NASA of the Apollo era were
all perfectly good-guys that never obfuscated nor having lied about a
damn thing.  Good for you.
Dude, you get so upset with people that disagree with you that you do
not make any sense.  From what I've seen I think NASA has been
implicated in the MK-Ultra program providing all manner of resources.
They have been part of this from the very beginning going all the way
back to Project Paperclip.  Now, throughout all of this JFK wanted to
send people to the moon.  LBJ wanted to continue the program to
'honor' the fallen President.  So, we went to the moon.  That's the
way I see it.  Now I may be wrong.  But I don't think so, and nothing
you've said do I find convincing on this subject.  I've also said I
don't believe there are aliens on Venus.  Again, I don't find anything
convincing, and you continuing to ask me what I think and berating me
because I don't find the stuff you put out convincing is just an
excuse to get in an argument over bullshit.  You're brainless I don't
know of any other way to say it.  I'm trying to be polite and you see
that as some sort of invitation to an argument.  haha - SEEK HELP
Brad!  lol.
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Apparently you'll have to keep living in the future because, you and
others of your remorseless kind have only screwed up everything of
today and the past.
Nonsense.  Sure, there's a lot screwed up in the US since the 1947
National Security Act was signed and before that Title 28 of the
United States Code (U.S. Code), Section 533.   These need to be
reversed and others.
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No wonder you really don't want to revise one
textbook word of history.
Its not up to me dude.  The resources I have are publicly available.
Talk to the people who write text books.
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The next big problem...
FEMA
The Dark Underbelly
by Bob Worn
From: BOB WORN
Subject: FEMA - The Dark Underbelly
Date: Sat, 10 Jan. 1998 00:49:27
EST NOTE FROM BOB: Ladies and gentlemen, please read this carefully
and thoroughly. This is not the
figment of a fertile imagination. It is a devious plan by many
previous administrations to replace America's
sovereignty with despotism. It is TRUE.
It is FEDERAL LAW. 1998 is meant to be The Year of FEMA.
FEMA - The Dark Underbelly
     Some people have referred to it as the "secret government" of the
United States. It is not
an elected body, it does not involve itself in public disclosures, and
it even has a quasi-secret
budget in the hundreds of billions of dollars. This government
organization has more power
than the President of the United States or the Congress, more power
than "the people," it
has the power to suspend laws, move entire populations, arrest and
detain citizens without a
warrant and hold them without trial, it can seize property, food
supplies, transportation
systems, and can suspend the Constitution.
     Not only is it the most powerful entity in the United States, but
it was not even created
under Constitutional law by the Congress. It was a product of a
Presidential Executive
Order. It is not the U.S. military, nor the Central Intelligence
Agency. These organizations
are subject to the control of Congress. The organization is called
FEMA, which stands for
the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Originally conceived in the
Richard Nixon
Administration, it was refined by Jimmy Carter and given teeth in the
Ronald Reagan and
George Bush Administrations.
     FEMA had one original concept when it was created, to ensure the
survivability of the
United States government in the event of a nuclear attack on this
nation. It was also
provided with the task of being a federal coordinating body during
times of domestic
disasters, such as earthquakes, floods and hurricanes. Its awesome
powers grew under the
tutelage of people like Lt. Col. Oliver North and General Richard
Secord, the architects on
the Iran-Contra scandal and the looting of America's savings and loan
institutions. FEMA
has even been given control of the State Defense Forces, a rag-tag,
often considered neo-
Nazi, civilian army that will substitute for the National Guard, if
the Guard is called to duty
overseas.
THE MOST POWERFUL ORGANIZATION IN THE UNITED STATES
     Though it may be the most powerful organization in the United
States, few people know
it even exists. FEMA has crept into our private lives. Even mortgage
papers contain FEMA's
name in small print if the property in question is near a flood plain.
FEMA was deeply
involved in the Los Angeles riots and the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake
in the San Francisco
Bay Area. Some of the black helicopter traffic reported throughout the
United States, but
mainly in the West, California, Washington, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas
and Colorado, are
flown by FEMA personnel. FEMA has been given responsibility for many
new disasters
including urban forest fires, home heating emergencies, refugee
situations, urban riots, and
emergency planning for nuclear and toxic incidents. In the West, it
works in conjunction
with the Sixth Army.
     FEMA was created in a series of Executive Orders. A Presidential
Executive Order,
whether Constitutional or not, becomes law simply by its publication
in the Federal Register.
Congress is by-passed.
     Executive Order Number 12148 created the Federal Emergency
Management Agency
that is to interface with the Department of Defense for civil defense
planning and funding.
An "emergency czar" was appointed. FEMA had spent only about 6 percent
of its budget on
national emergencies while the bulk of their funding had been used for
the construction of
ground facilities to ensure continuity of government in case of a
major emergency, foreign or
domestic.
     Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security
Council as the principal
body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government
to increase
domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would
restrict the freedom of
movement within the United States and grant the government the right
to isolate large
groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal
all borders and take
control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry.
     Here are just a few Executive Orders associated with FEMA that
would suspend the
Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been
on record for nearly
     EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 ( 27 F.R. 1527 ) allows Secretary of
Transportation to take over ALL
modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports. It also
gives the Secretary of Commerce full control of the
production and distribution of ALL construction materials, gas, oil,
and power as well as ALL civilian, private
aviation facilities, highways and seaports.
     EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 ( 27 F.R. 1519 ) allows the government to
seize and control the
communication media. It establishes the Telecommunications Management
Agency that provides for the "takeover" of
ALL communications media in the United States. This includes broadcast
and cable television, ALL radio stations,
ALL satellite earth stations and satellites and ALL telephone
companies and telephone systems in the United States.
     EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 ( 27 F.R. 1522 ) allows the government to
take over ALL electrical power,
gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals. In other words, ALL sources of
energy.
     EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 ( 27 F.R. 1524 ) allows the Secretary of
Agriculture to take over ALL food
resources and farms and farm equipment. This means that all privately
owned farmland and food resources will be
commandeered by the Federal Government, together with all farm
implements and equipment used to work this land.
ALL will become the property of the Federal Government.
     EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999 - Provides for taking over all modes of
transportation, control of highways,
seaports, etc.
     EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 ( 27 F.R. 1532 ) allows the Secretary of
Labor to "mobilize" civilians into
work brigades under government supervision. That's right, every
working American will be under the direct supervision
of the Federal Government. Where you work now or want to work in the
future is not a consideration. You will be
required to work where you are told to work. Have you ever considered
the term "slave labor"?
     EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 ( 27 F.R. 1534 ) allows the Secretary of
Health, Education and Welfare to
control ALL health services, doctors, hospitals, etc., ALL welfare
services and ALL educational programs and
facilities, public and private.
     EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 ( 27 F.R. 1539 ) designates the Postmaster
General to operate a national
registration of ALL persons in the United States. This will account
for every American, his or her location and
"status."
     EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 ( 27 F.R. 1540 ) empowers the Federal
Aviation Administration to take
over ALL airports and commandeer ALL aircraft, including commercial
aircraft.
     EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 ( 27 F.R. 1542 ) establishes the authority
for the Federal Housing
Administration (FHA) to take control of ALL housing, lodging and
community facilities in the United States. This
means the relocation, to a place of the government's choosing, of any
part of the population they choose to move. In other
words, it doesn't matter where you live now or what property you own,
it will become the property of the government and
THE GOVERNMENT WILL TELL YOU WHERE TO LIVE. It will relocate entire
communities, build
new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and
establish new locations for populations.
     EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 ( 27 F.R. 1544 ) empowers the Interstate
Commerce Commission to take
over ALL railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.
     EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 ( 27 F.R. 1688 ) specifies the
responsibility of the Office of Emergency
Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into
effect in times of increased international or domestic
tensions and economic or financial crisis.
     EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 ( 32 F.R. 12877 ) directs the Department of
Justice to enforce the plans set
out in All Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to
establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all
aliens, to operate ALL penal and correctional institutions, and to
advise and assist the President.
     EXECUTIVE ORDER 11490 ( 34 F.R. 17567 ) authored by Richard Nixon
consolidates all previous
Executive Orders into one act of law. It also gave the Department of
Justice the power to control "alien enemies" and
all "other aliens" and to provide for their location, relocation,
restraint and/or custody. It also provides the power to
seize ALL property of the alien enemies and "other aliens." No
definition of terms was given to know who "alien
enemies" or "other aliens" are. It is left to the discretion of the
Department of Justice, i.e. Janet Reno! It allows the
Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish
control over the mechanisms of production and
distribution of ALL energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the
flow of money in U.S. financial institutions in any
undefined national emergency. It makes mandatory the confiscation and
control of ALL monetary items and the entire
financial structure and assets of the United States of America,
public, private and institutional by the Secretary of the
Treasury. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared
by the President, Congress cannot review the action
for six months.
     And last but not least, on 20 July 1979 "You Can Trust Me"
President Jimmy Carter authored
EXECUTIVE ORDER 12148 ( 44 F.R. 43239 ) which completes the plan for
the COMPLETE
DICTATORSHIP RULE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. In this E.O.
President Carter
places the powers previously given to separate agencies or departments/
administrations under the SOLE CONTROL
of FEMA - the Federal Emergency Management Agency. He also "handed
off" to FEMA many powers previously
held ONLY BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA such as
FULL
CONTROL OF THE MILITARY FORCES. Yes, FEMA can now assume the powers
and duties of the
President, in violation of the Constitution of the United States of
America. All that is needed to implement these
controls is the declaration of a national emergency by any President.
Neither Congress, previous Presidents nor the
courts have ever rendered a definition of a "National Emergency"!
     EXECUTIVE ORDER 12803 - Provides for privatization of nation's
infrastructure through sale of public
assets to private parties.
     EXECUTIVE ORDER 12919 - Brings everything not covered above under
total government control.
     The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every
aspect of the
nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division
stated in a 1983
conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the
protection of individual and
governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military
installations from sabotage
and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining
access to U.S. opinion,
or a global audience in times of crisis."
     FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to
incorporate: the National
Security Act of 1947, which allows for the strategic relocation of
industries, services,
government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize
the requirements for
manpower, resources and production facilities;
     The 1950 Defense Production Act, which gives the President
sweeping powers over all
aspects of the economy;
    The Act of August 29, 1916, which authorizes the Secretary of the
Army, in time of war,
to take possession of any transportation system for transporting
troops, material, or any
other purpose related to the emergency; and
     The International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which enables
the President to
seize the property of a foreign country or national. These powers were
transferred to FEMA
in a sweeping consolidation in 1979.
SOUTH FLORIDA / SOUTH LOUISIANA "FUBAR" FOCUSED ATTENTION ON
FEMA
     FEMA's deceptive role really did not come to light with much of
the public until
Hurricane Andrew smashed into the U.S. mainland. As Russell R. Dynes,
director of the
Disaster Research Center of the University of Delaware, wrote in The
World and I, "...The
eye of the political storm hovered over the Federal Emergency
Management Agency. FEMA
became a convenient target for criticism." Because FEMA was accused of
dropping the ball
in Florida, the media and Congress commenced to study this agency.
What came out of the
critical look was that FEMA was spending 12 times more for "black
operations" than for
disaster relief. It spent $4.3 billion building secret bunkers
throughout the United States in
anticipation of government disruption by foreign or domestic upheaval.
Fewer than 20
members of Congress, only members with top security clearance, know of
the $4.3 billion
expenditure by FEMA for non-natural disaster situations. These few
Congressional leaders
state that FEMA has a "black curtain" around its operations. FEMA had
worked on
National Security programs since 1979, and its predecessor, the
Federal Emergency
Preparedness Agency, had secretly spent billions of dollars before
being merged into FEMA
by President Carter in 1979.
     FEMA has developed 300 sophisticated mobile units that are
capable of sustaining
themselves for a month. The vehicles are located in five areas of the
United States. They
have tremendous communication systems and each contains a generator
that would provide
power to 120 homes each, but have never been used for disaster
relief.
     FEMA's enormous powers can be triggered easily. In any form of
domestic or foreign
problem, perceived and not always actual, emergency powers can be
enacted. The President
of the United States now has broader powers to declare martial law,
which activates FEMA's
extra-ordinary powers. Martial law can be declared during time of
increased tension overseas,
economic problems within the United States, such as a depression,
civil unrest,
demonstrations or scenes like the Los Angeles riots, and in a drug
crisis. These Presidential
powers have increased with successive Crime Bills, particularly the
1991 and 1993 Crime
Bills, which increase the power to suspend the rights guaranteed under
the Constitution and
to seize property from those suspected of being drug dealers and to
individuals who
participate in a public protest or demonstration. Under emergency
plans already in existence,
the power exists to suspend the Constitution and turn over the reigns
of government to
FEMA and appointing military commanders to run state and local
governments. FEMA
then would have the right to order the detention of anyone whom there
is reasonable
ground to believe...will engage in, or probably conspire with others
to engage in acts of
espionage or sabotage. The plan also authorized the establishment of
concentration camps
for detaining the accused, but no trial.
     Three times since 1984, FEMA stood on the threshold of taking
control of the nation,
once under President Reagan in 1984, and twice under President Bush in
1990 and 1992.
Under those three scenarios, there was not a sufficient crisis to
warrant risking martial law.
Most experts on the subject of FEMA and Martial Law insisted that a
crisis has to appear
dangerous enough for the people of the United States before they would
tolerate or accept
complete government takeover. The typical crisis needed would be
threat of imminent
nuclear war, rioting in several U.S. cities simultaneously a-la South
Central Los Angeles and
any other city, a series of national disasters that affect widespread
danger to the populous,
massive terrorist attacks, a depression in which tens of millions are
unemployed and without
financial resources, or a major environmental disaster.
THREE TIMES FEMA STOOD BY READY FOR EMERGENCY
     In April 1984, President Reagan signed Presidential Directive
Number 54 that allowed
FEMA to engage in a secret national "readiness exercise" under the
code name of REX 84.
The exercise was to test FEMA's readiness to assume military authority
in the event of a
"State of Domestic National Emergency" concurrent with the launching
of a direct United
States military operation in Central America. The plan called for the
deputation of U.S.
military and National Guard units so that they could legally be used
for domestic law
enforcement. These units would be assigned to conduct sweeps and take
into custody an
estimated 400,000 undocumented Central American immigrants in the
United States. The
immigrants would be interned at 10 detention centers to be set up at
military bases and other
detention centers throughout the country.
     REX 84 was so highly guarded that special metal security doors
were placed on the fifth
floor of the FEMA building in Washington, D.C. Even long-standing
employees of the Civil
Defense team of the Federal Executive Department possessing the
highest possible security
clearances were not being allowed through the newly installed metal
security doors. Only
personnel wearing a special red Christian cross or crucifix lapel pin
were allowed into the
premises. Lt. Col. North was responsible for drawing up the emergency
plan, which U.S.
Attorney General William French Smith opposed vehemently. The plan
called for the
suspension of the Constitution, turning control of the government over
to FEMA,
appointment of military commanders to run state and local governments
and the declaration
of Martial Law. The Presidential Executive Orders to support such a
plan were already in
place. The plan also advocated the rounding up and transfer to
"assembly centers or
relocation camps" of at least 21 million American Negroes in the event
of massive rioting or
disorder, not unlike the rounding up of the Jews in Nazi Germany in
the 1930's.
     The second known time that FEMA stood by was in 1990 when Desert
Storm was
enacted. Prior to President Bush's invasion of Iraq, FEMA began to
draft new legislation to
increase its already formidable powers. One of the elements
incorporated into the plan was
to set up operations within any state or locality without the prior
permission of local or state
authorities. Such prior permission has always been required in the
past. Much of the
mechanism being set into place was in anticipation of the economic
collapse of the Western
World. The war with Iraq may have been conceived as a ploy to boost
the bankrupt
economy, but it only pushed the West into deeper recession. Please
remember that a deep
recession or all-out depression would be a cause for declaring martial
law. Think of what the
stock market is doing this week, 1 to 7 Jan.
     The third scenario for FEMA came with the Los Angeles riots after
the Rodney King
brutality verdict. Had the rioting spread to other cities, FEMA would
have been empowered
to act. As it was, major rioting only occurred in the Los Angeles
area, thus preventing a
pretext for a FEMA response.
     On July 5, 1987, the Miami Herald published reports on FEMA's new
goals. The goal
was to suspend the Constitution in the event of a national crisis,
such as nuclear war, violent
and wide- spread internal dissent, or national opposition to a U.S.
military invasion abroad.
Lt. Col. North was the architect. National Security Directive Number
52 issued in August
1982, pertains to the "Use of National Guard Troops to Quell
Disturbances."
     The crux of the problem is that FEMA has the power to turn the
United States into a
police state in time of a real crisis or a manufactured crisis. Lt.
Col. North virtually
established the apparatus for dictatorship. Only the criticism of the
Attorney General
prevented the plans from being adopted. Intelligence reports indicate
that FEMA has a
folder with 22 Executive Orders for the President to sign in case of
an emergency. It is
believed those Executive Orders contain the framework of North's
concepts, delayed by
criticism but never truly abandoned.
     The crisis, as the government now sees it, is civil unrest. For
generations, the government
was concerned with nuclear war, but the violent and disruptive
demonstrations that
surrounded the Vietnam War era prompted President Nixon to change the
direction of
emergency powers from war time to times of domestic unrest. Diana
Reynolds, program
director of the Edward R. Morrow Center, summed up the dangers of FEMA
today and the
public reaction to Martial Law in a drug crisis: "It was James
Madison's worst nightmare that
a righteous faction would someday be strong enough to sweep away the
Constitutional
restraints designed by the framers to prevent the tyranny of
centralized power, excessive
privilege, an arbitrary governmental authority over the individual.
These restraints, the
balancing and checking of powers among branches and layers of
government, and the civil
guarantees, would be the first casualties in a drug-induced national
security state with
Reagan's Civil Emergency Preparedness unleashed. Nevertheless, there
would be those who
would welcome NSC (National Security Council) into the drug fray,
believing that increasing
state police powers to emergency levels is the only way left to fight
America's enemy within.
In the short run a national security state would probably be a relief
to those whose personal
security and quality of life has been diminished by drugs or drug
related crime. And, as the
general public watches the progression of institutional chaos and
social decay, they too may
be willing to pay the ultimate price, one drug free America for 200
years of a free and
dynamic republic. God forbid!
     The first targets in any FEMA emergency will be the Hispanics and
the blacks. FEMA's
orders call for them to be rounded up and detained. Tax protesters,
demonstrators against
government military intervention outside U.S. borders, those who are
ever vocal to point out
the shortcomings of the government or the present administration and
the grossly apparent
usurpations of the citizens' rights by that government and people who
maintain weapons in
their homes are also targets. Operation Trojan Horse is a program
designed to learn the
identity of potential opponents to martial law. The operation set up
by the FBI at Burke,
South Dakota (The Tri-State Militia) is an outstanding example of a
Trojan Horse. The
program lures potential protesters into public forums, conducted by a
leader of the people
who advocates readiness and survival training. The list of names
gathered at such meetings
and rallies are computerized and then targeted in case of an
emergency. Just a short time ago,
the news broke of a highly sophisticated Top Secret computer system in
the White House
called WHO DB. It is reported that this data base contains over
200,000 persons. It tracks
such things as whether the subject supports or opposes issues such as
same sex marriages,
gays in the military and whether the subject speaks out against the
administration. Yes,
patriots will be targeted!
     The most shining example of America to the world has been its
peaceful transition of
government from one administration to another. Despite crises of great
magnitude, the
United States has maintained its freedom and liberty. This nation now
stands on the
threshold of rule by non-elected people asserting non-Constitutional
powers. Even Congress
cannot review a Martial Law action until six months after it has been
declared. For the first
time in American history, the reigns of government would not be
transferred from one
elected element to another. The Constitution of the United States will
be "suspended." The
same Constitution that many of us swore to "support and defend against
all enemies, foreign
or DOMESTIC."
     Dear God, where are my comrades, why do they not rally?!
     The scenarios established to trigger FEMA into action are
generally found in the society
of today; economic collapse, civil unrest, drug problems, terrorist
attacks, distrust of the
government by a majority of the people, protests against American
intervention in a foreign
country. With all of these premises existing, it could only be a
matter of time until one of
these triggers the entire emergency necessary to bring FEMA into
action, and then it may be
too late, because under the FEMA plan, there is no contingency by
which Constitutional
power is restored.
Please cogitate.........
May God Bless America, what ever its course.
Bob Worn
Reproduced and distributed through the facilities of AMERI-WATCH of
Louisiana.
"The People" Watching A Federal Government That Requires Watching
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     E.O. 13083 - Issued May 14, 1998, called "Federalism", is
designed to take more powers from the
states and give them to Federal Government agencies, such as F.E.M.A..
This E.O. revokes President
Ronald Reagan's 1987 E.O. 12612 on Federalism, which recognized that
our Constitution reserves
many important powers to the states.
     Following are some of the Matters that E.O. 13083 asserts
     - "When there is a need for uniform national standards."
     - "When decentralization increases the cost of government thus
imposing additional burdens on
the taxpayer."
     - "When states have not adequately protected individuals rights
and liberties."
     - "When States would be reluctant to impose necessary regulations
because of fears that regulated
business activity will relocate to other states."
     - "When placing regulatory authority at the State or local level
would undermine regulatory goals
because high costs or demands for specialized expertise will
effectively place the regulatory matter
beyond the resources of State authorities."
     - "When the matter relates to Federally owned or managed property
or natural resources, trust
obligations, or international obligations."
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Meanwhile, you got nothing that'll fix anything, but none the less you
claim to be all-knowing and smarter than all the rest of us put
together, including smarter than all of NASA, DARPA, JPL and you name
it. You even claim to know more about imaging scale even though you
don't seem to understand the basics of SAR imaging or for that matter
anything about the physics of Kodak film and photographic lighting
that so greatly affects the dynamic range of film and its ability to
record colors (especially of those highly saturated deep colors near
black, so instead you just make up shit as you go along. Other than
that, you're doing just great without your medications.

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Meanwhile, you got nothing that'll fix anything,
Its my job to to the best I can, not to fix yours or anyone else's
problems. I can sell you hydrogen or electrical power. I can sell
you a house and a home in a community that is powered by the sun.
When available, I will even sell you a house in a community made from
the Earth and powered by fusion energy.
Post by Brad Guth
but none the less you
claim to be all-knowing and smarter than all the rest of us put
together, including smarter than all of NASA, DARPA, JPL and you name
it.
Nonsense. I merely report what I know. I make no comparisons.
Post by Brad Guth
You even claim to know more about imaging scale even though you
don't seem to understand the basics of SAR imaging or for that matter
anything about the physics of Kodak film and photographic lighting
that so greatly affects the dynamic range of film and its ability to
record colors (especially of those highly saturated deep colors near
black, so instead you just make up shit as you go along.  Other than
that, you're doing just great without your medications.
hahaha - I don't know what you're going on about, but I do see that
you cannot accept even the slightest disagreement over your lame
interpretations outdated Venus imagery and your fantasy that there are
aliens residing on Venus and your misbegotten belief Apollo never went
to the moon. Because you cannot accept the slightest disagreement
over these fantasies of yours you launch into baseless attacks of
everything I say. This says far more about you Brad than about me.
lol.
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Meanwhile, you got nothing that'll fix anything,
Its my job to to the best I can, not to fix yours or anyone else's
problems.  I can sell you hydrogen or electrical power.  I can sell
you a house and a home in a community that is powered by the sun.
When available, I will even sell you a house in a community made from
the Earth and powered by fusion energy.
Post by Brad Guth
but none the less you
claim to be all-knowing and smarter than all the rest of us put
together, including smarter than all of NASA, DARPA, JPL and you name
it.
Nonsense.  I merely report what I know.  I make no comparisons.
Post by Brad Guth
You even claim to know more about imaging scale even though you
don't seem to understand the basics of SAR imaging or for that matter
anything about the physics of Kodak film and photographic lighting
that so greatly affects the dynamic range of film and its ability to
record colors (especially of those highly saturated deep colors near
black, so instead you just make up shit as you go along.  Other than
that, you're doing just great without your medications.
hahaha - I don't know what you're going on about, but I do see that
you cannot accept even the slightest disagreement over your lame
interpretations outdated Venus imagery and your fantasy that there are
aliens residing on Venus and your misbegotten belief Apollo never went
to the moon.  Because you cannot accept the slightest disagreement
over these fantasies of yours you launch into baseless attacks of
everything I say.  This says far more about you Brad than about me.
lol.
Obviously I'm not holding you back or in any other way impeding your
progress, so it must have been those pesky Oligarch Mafias as devout
Atheists that have you pegged and mind-controlled as a perpetual
doofus.

Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
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Brad,

Its not my job to fix anything. I do what I can. What do you do?
BDK
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Post by Brad Guth
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Yes indeed, your cheap fusion energy goes right along with your
science fiction as based upon real physics that should work, is
noted.
The Jetter Cycle operates at room temperature.
http://pesn.com/2011/10/28/9501940_1_MW_E-Cat_Test_Successful/
So, its not science fiction.
As long as yourself and none others can deliver, it's science fiction,
Wait a minute, a cold fusion generator was delivered last month.
http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/2nd-commercial-cold-fus...
Post by Brad Guth
though based upon good physics still doesn't count if you can't
deliver (at least there's still no public record of any Mokenergy
actually delivered).
So?  If you'd care to buy some energy from me do so.  You will have to
abide by the conditions of sale however.
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Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Meanwhile, we still need your cheap hydrogen plus anything
else that comes along with the package deal of Mokenergy and the
wizard of Oz that you claim to be.
I believe I gave you a quotation for hydrogen at $80 per ton.
All you must do is agree to buy a minimum of 353,092 tons for a
minimum of  $10,592,760.  You can arrange delivery for as long as 30
years.  All that's required is you show you're credit worthy and sign
an agreement.  For a company with a decent credit rating monthly
payments are $64,129.38 - for deliveries of 367,800 kg per month.
($0.174 per kg)
And apparently I'd be the one and only first client of Mokenergy.
You wouldn't be.
Post by Brad Guth
Actually, if I were in charge of our dysfunctional DoE,
I will not work with any US agency for any reason.
Post by Brad Guth
I?d gladly
sign that contract and advance all necessary funds, except I?d go for
at least ten fold more to begin with (3.678e6 kg/month) because
$641,294/month is hardly a drop in the national energy bucket.
Correct.
Post by Brad Guth
Do you see where I?m going with this?
No.
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BTW;  The albedo of that moon on average is nearly as dark as coal,
The dark areas of the moon reflect 10% of incident light.  Bright
ejecta reflect as much as 30%.  The average reflectivity is 12%
Actually the average surface albedo considering the illumination angle
of +/- 90 degrees (as viewed from Earth or LEO) is closer to 7%.
Correct.   Yet, on the surface of the moon its higher.
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Post by William Mook
According to Pearson - reflectances range from 0.5% to 1.7% for coking
coals, while coals generally can range as high as 8%.
As I've said many times before, our physically dark moon is nearly as
dark as coal.
Some coals sure.  But generally speaking the moon is far brighter than
coal.  Just hold a lump of coal on a night when there's a full moon -
and hold it up and look at it.
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Now, soil moisture content has been correlated with reflectance models
and raw soil on Earth ranges from 2.9% to to 11.8% - depending on
moisture content.  Bodies of water on Earth have reflectances in the
6% to 8% range.
Newly paved asphalt roads have a reflectivity of 4% and old worn
asphalt roads have a reflectivity of 8%
So, imagine standing on a sunny day on a road.  To the north, its
freshly paved, and its dark.  To the south, old and worn, its fairly
bright.  To the east is a coal field with very dark coking coal piled
high - its only 1.7% reflective - darker even than the new asphalt.
To the west, a freshly turned field after yesterday's rain.  Its 3%
reflective.  Twice a bright as the coking coal.  And a lake between
the road and the field, 6% reflective brighter yet again, but darker
than the road.  Next to it are evergreen trees, they're 5%
reflective.  And in the bright blue sky is a full moon on the horizon
- which looks white even in the day.
    Coking coal:  1.7%
   Plowed field:   3.0%
   New asphalt:  4.0%
   Trees:             5.0%
              Lake:   6.0%
 Worn asphalt:  8.0%
            Moon:  12%
So, you can see that you are just wrong Brad when you insist on saying
the moon is as dark as a lump of coal.  Its not!  Its brighter than
most things we see in this picture,
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GbhLmlUCIRI/TppDKPBphWI/AAAAAAAAB7A/h1aTpxS...
All of which is brighter than a lump of coal.  Just ask this guy
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ifRR12H2VZY/TYvpB7mC_LI/AAAAAAAACaw/SlUVCQ-...
I've never once mention the unusually dark version of any highly
pulverized and washed or water sprayed coking coals,
All I'm saying Brad is that when you say the Moon is darker than coal,
you're saying something that is highly misleading.
I've never once in my life said it was "darker than coal".
Then we have no disagreement.
Post by Brad Guth
Take your
bipolar medication and try reading for comprehension again.
hahaha - abusive commentary Brad reflects poorly on you, not me.
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but then you
obviously need to protect your NASA mafia
No I don't.
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because without their
support you've got less than nothing to work with,
That's not true either.
Post by Brad Guth
not that our NASA
or any other agency has ever given you squat worth of support
Correct.
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and much
less any mention in their archives of documentation.
Um..  well, I was present during the launch of the first Atlas 552.  I
gave a talk to scientists at the Marshall Spaceflight Center when I
applied for DOT license for Orbatek back in the 1990s.  I advised EOP
OST in 1995 for the Clinton Administration when they passed the Space
Policy Act of that year.  I worked with DOE and DOD developing a
commercial plan for the use of the NEBA III reactor and the use of the
stored nuclear materials at Jackass Flats NV.
I advised EOP OST again in 2004 for the Bush Administration when the
Saudi's went off their $22 per barrel price cap and Bush was looking
for an alternative to paying that price.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24911642/Report-to-OSTP-EOP-Dec-2004
Post by Brad Guth
How about, is
their even one mention of WilliamMookor Mokenergy in any K12
textbook (outside of schizophrenic bipolar psychosis disorders to
watch out for)?
There are so many things wrong with what you're saying that its hard
to figure how to respond to it.
[snip] pointless rants about Apollo not going to the moon.
[snip] pointless observationology dysfunctional rants by WilliamMook
that admits to being incapable of deductively interpreting an image.
The only thing I note about the images of Venus you keep talking about
is that the scale is all wrong.  Also, last time Dr. Kraus observed
Venus with 'Big Ear' it was dead silent.  Other than the occasional
lightning strike there wasn't anything going on there.  So, that sort
of deflates the idea something as advanced as radio or radar is being
used on the planet.
Electrical storms, sure.  Since 1956 - Kraus observed the planet
looking for narrow whatever signals the planet produced.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v178/n4535/abs/178687a0.html
Nada.  Nothing.  Zero.  Goose Egg.
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Are you saying that our NASA has only recently become corrupted and
dishonest?
No, they were formed 11 years after the signing of the 1947 National
Security Act.  The rocket scientists brought over from Germany were a
cover to hide the fact we imported all the mind control scientists and
used them to create an army of sex slaves for the CIA so they could
corrupt our nation, our industry, and our people to benefit the
British Empire.
With as many easily snookered and dumbfounded K12s (that obviously
includes the likes of yourself); why on Earth would any sort of
ulterior motivated mind control even be necessary?
Do you really think our K12+ educated are even 1% as smart as
yourself? (if so they seem to be really good at keeping themselves
hidden)
Smart has nothing to do with it.
Especially with you, that's absolute bullshit!
What's absolute Bullshit in your estimation Guth?
Post by Brad Guth
Are you trying to prove you're a better FUD-master than most?
I don't know what you mean by that term.  Do you?
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In which year did we lose control and our faith in all things DARPA
and NASA?
I awoke this year.  Although, its clear we did go to the moon.
I've never stipulated that some of our Apollo stuff (w/o crew) didn't
make it to the surface.
What is it about our having absolutely zilch worth of purely fly-by-
rocket lander technology of that era, that don't you still can't
understand?
Just because you don't understand astrodynamics doesn't mean it didn't
happen Brad.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/nasa58040.pdf
Just because you don't understand the physics of photographics or
optical lens factors, doesn't mean that our NASA/Apollo era has told
us the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Dude, read that publication I gave you a reference to.  It shows
precisely how the landings on the Moon were accomplished.
They work too!  When you're lifting a craft with rocket action from
exhaust only, the sorts of control used by Apollo for the LEM apply.
Recently in New Zealand, the Martin Company developed a VTOL 'jet
belt' that made use of these very same control algorithms.  I had the
great opportunity to visit Martin and discuss this with them.
Before the application of Apollo type control http://youtu.be/vyb6vnX1My0
http://youtu.be/NUypr5cNTAU
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You are aware that
Kodak has not officially forensic certified any of those Apollo era
images.
Really?  I guess you didn't see these words from Kodak recently;
http://1000words.kodak.com/thousandwords/post/?id=2401573
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What if there's only one bogus image?
You mean like this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_the_Flag_on_Iwo_Jima#Publication...
Just because Iwo Jima was staged didn't mean the US didn't lose 6,000
troops and take the island after fierce fighting.
Post by Brad Guth
How many errors or mistakes does a suspected criminal or mafia have to
make?
I don't understand this question.  You are marginalizing the dead
certain fact that NASA supports the kidnapping and brain washing of
infants and children to support the CIA MK-Ultra program to create a
variety of mind controlled slaves by pointlessly attacking the dead
certain fact that NASA actually went to the moon.  I mean, you sound
like someone who's against nuclear power but thinks its just dandy
that humanity has thousands of nuclear weapons poised at the ready to
incinerate the planet!
Post by Brad Guth
If our NASA/Apollo did exactly as they claim, they sure as hell can't
independently manage to objectively prove it.
Dude, were you alive in 1969?  It was in all the papers.  Don't you
remember?  I was and I remember.  I believe overwhelmingly that Apollo
did as they say.  The USSR said we did and they had no love of the USA
at the time.  Japanese scientists also said we did years later.
http://youtu.be/6r80qhoPB0g
and here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=nE6zqCq8dRs&NR=1
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Are you saying that you
know more than our DARPA and NASA combined are willing to share?
I don't know what you're asking.  Do you?
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Dude, reasonable people can disagree about a thing.  You and I
disagree about whether Apollo went to the moon.  You are getting waaay
too upset about it.  Relax.  Whatever really happened will be sorted
out in a few years when others get to the moon and report back.
In Sept 2010 China announced it will complete a piloted moon landing
in 2025, likely with the first woman on the moon.  Orbiters of Mars
and Venus and the Moon by 2013.  Landers and sample return 2017.
We're only a few years away from all of that.
http://china.globaltimes.cn/society/2010-09/575264.html
A manned orbit of the moon by China is doable today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Lunar_Exploration_Program
If they don't replicate the findings of the USSR and Japan, then, they
will report it.
Your bipolar condition is noted, as is your lack of reading
comprehension. You obviously don't even have a clue as to what I'm
after.
You're the one that insist we've been under Catholic/Nazi mind
control, and otherwise you pretend to know how our government is so
screwed up from the very get-go, plus otherwise how it's currently
corrupted and dysfunctional, and yet you insist that our Nazi ARPA
which became DARPA and their public-funded NASA of the Apollo era were
all perfectly good-guys that never obfuscated nor having lied about a
damn thing. Good for you.
Apparently you'll have to keep living in the future because, you and
others of your remorseless kind have only screwed up everything of
today and the past. No wonder you really don't want to revise one
textbook word of history.
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Wow, Mooky isn't kOOky enough for you, eh Brad?
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In article <dd48040f-8a0e-4064-9b59-5d6f1245ccd9
@t36g2000prj.googlegroups.com>, ***@gmail.com says...
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Yes indeed, your cheap fusion energy goes right along with your
science fiction as based upon real physics that should work, is
noted.
The Jetter Cycle operates at room temperature.
http://pesn.com/2011/10/28/9501940_1_MW_E-Cat_Test_Successful/
So, its not science fiction.
As long as yourself and none others can deliver, it's science fiction,
Wait a minute, a cold fusion generator was delivered last month.
http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/2nd-commercial-cold-fus...
Post by Brad Guth
though based upon good physics still doesn't count if you can't
deliver (at least there's still no public record of any Mokenergy
actually delivered).
So?  If you'd care to buy some energy from me do so.  You will have to
abide by the conditions of sale however.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Meanwhile, we still need your cheap hydrogen plus anything
else that comes along with the package deal of Mokenergy and the
wizard of Oz that you claim to be.
I believe I gave you a quotation for hydrogen at $80 per ton.
All you must do is agree to buy a minimum of 353,092 tons for a
minimum of  $10,592,760.  You can arrange delivery for as long as 30
years.  All that's required is you show you're credit worthy and sign
an agreement.  For a company with a decent credit rating monthly
payments are $64,129.38 - for deliveries of 367,800 kg per month.
($0.174 per kg)
And apparently I'd be the one and only first client of Mokenergy.
You wouldn't be.
Post by Brad Guth
Actually, if I were in charge of our dysfunctional DoE,
I will not work with any US agency for any reason.
Post by Brad Guth
I?d gladly
sign that contract and advance all necessary funds, except I?d go for
at least ten fold more to begin with (3.678e6 kg/month) because
$641,294/month is hardly a drop in the national energy bucket.
Correct.
Post by Brad Guth
Do you see where I?m going with this?
No.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
BTW;  The albedo of that moon on average is nearly as dark as coal,
The dark areas of the moon reflect 10% of incident light.  Bright
ejecta reflect as much as 30%.  The average reflectivity is 12%
Actually the average surface albedo considering the illumination angle
of +/- 90 degrees (as viewed from Earth or LEO) is closer to 7%.
Correct.   Yet, on the surface of the moon its higher.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
According to Pearson - reflectances range from 0.5% to 1.7% for coking
coals, while coals generally can range as high as 8%.
As I've said many times before, our physically dark moon is nearly as
dark as coal.
Some coals sure.  But generally speaking the moon is far brighter than
coal.  Just hold a lump of coal on a night when there's a full moon -
and hold it up and look at it.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Now, soil moisture content has been correlated with reflectance models
and raw soil on Earth ranges from 2.9% to to 11.8% - depending on
moisture content.  Bodies of water on Earth have reflectances in the
6% to 8% range.
Newly paved asphalt roads have a reflectivity of 4% and old worn
asphalt roads have a reflectivity of 8%
So, imagine standing on a sunny day on a road.  To the north, its
freshly paved, and its dark.  To the south, old and worn, its fairly
bright.  To the east is a coal field with very dark coking coal piled
high - its only 1.7% reflective - darker even than the new asphalt.
To the west, a freshly turned field after yesterday's rain.  Its 3%
reflective.  Twice a bright as the coking coal.  And a lake between
the road and the field, 6% reflective brighter yet again, but darker
than the road.  Next to it are evergreen trees, they're 5%
reflective.  And in the bright blue sky is a full moon on the horizon
- which looks white even in the day.
    Coking coal:  1.7%
   Plowed field:   3.0%
   New asphalt:  4.0%
   Trees:             5.0%
              Lake:   6.0%
 Worn asphalt:  8.0%
            Moon:  12%
So, you can see that you are just wrong Brad when you insist on saying
the moon is as dark as a lump of coal.  Its not!  Its brighter than
most things we see in this picture,
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GbhLmlUCIRI/TppDKPBphWI/AAAAAAAAB7A/h1aTpxS...
All of which is brighter than a lump of coal.  Just ask this guy
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ifRR12H2VZY/TYvpB7mC_LI/AAAAAAAACaw/SlUVCQ-...
I've never once mention the unusually dark version of any highly
pulverized and washed or water sprayed coking coals,
All I'm saying Brad is that when you say the Moon is darker than coal,
you're saying something that is highly misleading.
I've never once in my life said it was "darker than coal".
Then we have no disagreement.
Post by Brad Guth
Take your
bipolar medication and try reading for comprehension again.
hahaha - abusive commentary Brad reflects poorly on you, not me.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
but then you
obviously need to protect your NASA mafia
No I don't.
Post by Brad Guth
because without their
support you've got less than nothing to work with,
That's not true either.
Post by Brad Guth
not that our NASA
or any other agency has ever given you squat worth of support
Correct.
Post by Brad Guth
and much
less any mention in their archives of documentation.
Um..  well, I was present during the launch of the first Atlas 552.  I
gave a talk to scientists at the Marshall Spaceflight Center when I
applied for DOT license for Orbatek back in the 1990s.  I advised EOP
OST in 1995 for the Clinton Administration when they passed the Space
Policy Act of that year.  I worked with DOE and DOD developing a
commercial plan for the use of the NEBA III reactor and the use of the
stored nuclear materials at Jackass Flats NV.
I advised EOP OST again in 2004 for the Bush Administration when the
Saudi's went off their $22 per barrel price cap and Bush was looking
for an alternative to paying that price.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24911642/Report-to-OSTP-EOP-Dec-2004
Post by Brad Guth
How about, is
their even one mention of WilliamMookor Mokenergy in any K12
textbook (outside of schizophrenic bipolar psychosis disorders to
watch out for)?
There are so many things wrong with what you're saying that its hard
to figure how to respond to it.
[snip] pointless rants about Apollo not going to the moon.
[snip] pointless observationology dysfunctional rants by WilliamMook
that admits to being incapable of deductively interpreting an image.
The only thing I note about the images of Venus you keep talking about
is that the scale is all wrong.  Also, last time Dr. Kraus observed
Venus with 'Big Ear' it was dead silent.  Other than the occasional
lightning strike there wasn't anything going on there.  So, that sort
of deflates the idea something as advanced as radio or radar is being
used on the planet.
Electrical storms, sure.  Since 1956 - Kraus observed the planet
looking for narrow whatever signals the planet produced.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v178/n4535/abs/178687a0.html
Nada.  Nothing.  Zero.  Goose Egg.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Are you saying that our NASA has only recently become corrupted and
dishonest?
No, they were formed 11 years after the signing of the 1947 National
Security Act.  The rocket scientists brought over from Germany were a
cover to hide the fact we imported all the mind control scientists and
used them to create an army of sex slaves for the CIA so they could
corrupt our nation, our industry, and our people to benefit the
British Empire.
With as many easily snookered and dumbfounded K12s (that obviously
includes the likes of yourself); why on Earth would any sort of
ulterior motivated mind control even be necessary?
Do you really think our K12+ educated are even 1% as smart as
yourself? (if so they seem to be really good at keeping themselves
hidden)
Smart has nothing to do with it.
Especially with you, that's absolute bullshit!
What's absolute Bullshit in your estimation Guth?
Post by Brad Guth
Are you trying to prove you're a better FUD-master than most?
I don't know what you mean by that term.  Do you?
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
In which year did we lose control and our faith in all things DARPA
and NASA?
I awoke this year.  Although, its clear we did go to the moon.
I've never stipulated that some of our Apollo stuff (w/o crew) didn't
make it to the surface.
What is it about our having absolutely zilch worth of purely fly-by-
rocket lander technology of that era, that don't you still can't
understand?
Just because you don't understand astrodynamics doesn't mean it didn't
happen Brad.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/nasa58040.pdf
Just because you don't understand the physics of photographics or
optical lens factors, doesn't mean that our NASA/Apollo era has told
us the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Dude, read that publication I gave you a reference to.  It shows
precisely how the landings on the Moon were accomplished.
They work too!  When you're lifting a craft with rocket action from
exhaust only, the sorts of control used by Apollo for the LEM apply.
Recently in New Zealand, the Martin Company developed a VTOL 'jet
belt' that made use of these very same control algorithms.  I had the
great opportunity to visit Martin and discuss this with them.
Before the application of Apollo type control http://youtu.be/vyb6vnX1My0
http://youtu.be/NUypr5cNTAU
Post by Brad Guth
You are aware that
Kodak has not officially forensic certified any of those Apollo era
images.
Really?  I guess you didn't see these words from Kodak recently;
http://1000words.kodak.com/thousandwords/post/?id=2401573
Post by Brad Guth
What if there's only one bogus image?
You mean like this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_the_Flag_on_Iwo_Jima#Publication...
Just because Iwo Jima was staged didn't mean the US didn't lose 6,000
troops and take the island after fierce fighting.
Post by Brad Guth
How many errors or mistakes does a suspected criminal or mafia have to
make?
I don't understand this question.  You are marginalizing the dead
certain fact that NASA supports the kidnapping and brain washing of
infants and children to support the CIA MK-Ultra program to create a
variety of mind controlled slaves by pointlessly attacking the dead
certain fact that NASA actually went to the moon.  I mean, you sound
like someone who's against nuclear power but thinks its just dandy
that humanity has thousands of nuclear weapons poised at the ready to
incinerate the planet!
Post by Brad Guth
If our NASA/Apollo did exactly as they claim, they sure as hell can't
independently manage to objectively prove it.
Dude, were you alive in 1969?  It was in all the papers.  Don't you
remember?  I was and I remember.  I believe overwhelmingly that Apollo
did as they say.  The USSR said we did and they had no love of the USA
at the time.  Japanese scientists also said we did years later.
http://youtu.be/6r80qhoPB0g
and here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=nE6zqCq8dRs&NR=1
Post by Brad Guth
Are you saying that you
know more than our DARPA and NASA combined are willing to share?
I don't know what you're asking.  Do you?
Post by Brad Guth
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Dude, reasonable people can disagree about a thing.  You and I
disagree about whether Apollo went to the moon.  You are getting waaay
too upset about it.  Relax.  Whatever really happened will be sorted
out in a few years when others get to the moon and report back.
In Sept 2010 China announced it will complete a piloted moon landing
in 2025, likely with the first woman on the moon.  Orbiters of Mars
and Venus and the Moon by 2013.  Landers and sample return 2017.
We're only a few years away from all of that.
http://china.globaltimes.cn/society/2010-09/575264.html
A manned orbit of the moon by China is doable today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Lunar_Exploration_Program
If they don't replicate the findings of the USSR and Japan, then, they
will report it.
Your bipolar condition is noted, as is your lack of reading
comprehension. You obviously don't even have a clue as to what I'm
after.
You're the one that insist we've been under Catholic/Nazi mind
control, and otherwise you pretend to know how our government is so
screwed up from the very get-go, plus otherwise how it's currently
corrupted and dysfunctional, and yet you insist that our Nazi ARPA
which became DARPA and their public-funded NASA of the Apollo era were
all perfectly good-guys that never obfuscated nor having lied about a
damn thing. Good for you.
Apparently you'll have to keep living in the future because, you and
others of your remorseless kind have only screwed up everything of
today and the past. No wonder you really don't want to revise one
textbook word of history.
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Wow, Mooky isn't kOOky enough for you, eh Brad?
That was an amazing rant, wasn't it? Fantastic.

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Post by BDK
In article <dd48040f-8a0e-4064-9b59-5d6f1245ccd9
@t36g2000prj.googlegroups.com>, ***@gmail.com says...
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Yes indeed, your cheap fusion energy goes right along with your
science fiction as based upon real physics that should work, is
noted.
The Jetter Cycle operates at room temperature.
http://pesn.com/2011/10/28/9501940_1_MW_E-Cat_Test_Successful/
So, its not science fiction.
As long as yourself and none others can deliver, it's science fiction,
Wait a minute, a cold fusion generator was delivered last month.
http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/2nd-commercial-cold-fus...
Post by Brad Guth
though based upon good physics still doesn't count if you can't
deliver (at least there's still no public record of any Mokenergy
actually delivered).
So?  If you'd care to buy some energy from me do so.  You will have to
abide by the conditions of sale however.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Meanwhile, we still need your cheap hydrogen plus anything
else that comes along with the package deal of Mokenergy and the
wizard of Oz that you claim to be.
I believe I gave you a quotation for hydrogen at $80 per ton.
All you must do is agree to buy a minimum of 353,092 tons for a
minimum of  $10,592,760.  You can arrange delivery for as long as 30
years.  All that's required is you show you're credit worthy and sign
an agreement.  For a company with a decent credit rating monthly
payments are $64,129.38 - for deliveries of 367,800 kg per month.
($0.174 per kg)
And apparently I'd be the one and only first client of Mokenergy.
You wouldn't be.
Post by Brad Guth
Actually, if I were in charge of our dysfunctional DoE,
I will not work with any US agency for any reason.
Post by Brad Guth
I?d gladly
sign that contract and advance all necessary funds, except I?d go for
at least ten fold more to begin with (3.678e6 kg/month) because
$641,294/month is hardly a drop in the national energy bucket.
Correct.
Post by Brad Guth
Do you see where I?m going with this?
No.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
BTW;  The albedo of that moon on average is nearly as dark as coal,
The dark areas of the moon reflect 10% of incident light.  Bright
ejecta reflect as much as 30%.  The average reflectivity is 12%
Actually the average surface albedo considering the illumination angle
of +/- 90 degrees (as viewed from Earth or LEO) is closer to 7%.
Correct.   Yet, on the surface of the moon its higher.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
According to Pearson - reflectances range from 0.5% to 1.7% for coking
coals, while coals generally can range as high as 8%.
As I've said many times before, our physically dark moon is nearly as
dark as coal.
Some coals sure.  But generally speaking the moon is far brighter than
coal.  Just hold a lump of coal on a night when there's a full moon -
and hold it up and look at it.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Now, soil moisture content has been correlated with reflectance models
and raw soil on Earth ranges from 2.9% to to 11.8% - depending on
moisture content.  Bodies of water on Earth have reflectances in the
6% to 8% range.
Newly paved asphalt roads have a reflectivity of 4% and old worn
asphalt roads have a reflectivity of 8%
So, imagine standing on a sunny day on a road.  To the north, its
freshly paved, and its dark.  To the south, old and worn, its fairly
bright.  To the east is a coal field with very dark coking coal piled
high - its only 1.7% reflective - darker even than the new asphalt.
To the west, a freshly turned field after yesterday's rain.  Its 3%
reflective.  Twice a bright as the coking coal.  And a lake between
the road and the field, 6% reflective brighter yet again, but darker
than the road.  Next to it are evergreen trees, they're 5%
reflective.  And in the bright blue sky is a full moon on the horizon
- which looks white even in the day.
    Coking coal:  1.7%
   Plowed field:   3.0%
   New asphalt:  4.0%
   Trees:             5.0%
              Lake:   6.0%
 Worn asphalt:  8.0%
            Moon:  12%
So, you can see that you are just wrong Brad when you insist on saying
the moon is as dark as a lump of coal.  Its not!  Its brighter than
most things we see in this picture,
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GbhLmlUCIRI/TppDKPBphWI/AAAAAAAAB7A/h1aTpxS...
All of which is brighter than a lump of coal.  Just ask this guy
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ifRR12H2VZY/TYvpB7mC_LI/AAAAAAAACaw/SlUVCQ-...
I've never once mention the unusually dark version of any highly
pulverized and washed or water sprayed coking coals,
All I'm saying Brad is that when you say the Moon is darker than coal,
you're saying something that is highly misleading.
I've never once in my life said it was "darker than coal".
Then we have no disagreement.
Post by Brad Guth
Take your
bipolar medication and try reading for comprehension again.
hahaha - abusive commentary Brad reflects poorly on you, not me.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
but then you
obviously need to protect your NASA mafia
No I don't.
Post by Brad Guth
because without their
support you've got less than nothing to work with,
That's not true either.
Post by Brad Guth
not that our NASA
or any other agency has ever given you squat worth of support
Correct.
Post by Brad Guth
and much
less any mention in their archives of documentation.
Um..  well, I was present during the launch of the first Atlas 552.  I
gave a talk to scientists at the Marshall Spaceflight Center when I
applied for DOT license for Orbatek back in the 1990s.  I advised EOP
OST in 1995 for the Clinton Administration when they passed the Space
Policy Act of that year.  I worked with DOE and DOD developing a
commercial plan for the use of the NEBA III reactor and the use of the
stored nuclear materials at Jackass Flats NV.
I advised EOP OST again in 2004 for the Bush Administration when the
Saudi's went off their $22 per barrel price cap and Bush was looking
for an alternative to paying that price.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24911642/Report-to-OSTP-EOP-Dec-2004
Post by Brad Guth
How about, is
their even one mention of WilliamMookor Mokenergy in any K12
textbook (outside of schizophrenic bipolar psychosis disorders to
watch out for)?
There are so many things wrong with what you're saying that its hard
to figure how to respond to it.
[snip] pointless rants about Apollo not going to the moon.
[snip] pointless observationology dysfunctional rants by WilliamMook
that admits to being incapable of deductively interpreting an image.
The only thing I note about the images of Venus you keep talking about
is that the scale is all wrong.  Also, last time Dr. Kraus observed
Venus with 'Big Ear' it was dead silent.  Other than the occasional
lightning strike there wasn't anything going on there.  So, that sort
of deflates the idea something as advanced as radio or radar is being
used on the planet.
Electrical storms, sure.  Since 1956 - Kraus observed the planet
looking for narrow whatever signals the planet produced.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v178/n4535/abs/178687a0.html
Nada.  Nothing.  Zero.  Goose Egg.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Are you saying that our NASA has only recently become corrupted and
dishonest?
No, they were formed 11 years after the signing of the 1947 National
Security Act.  The rocket scientists brought over from Germany were a
cover to hide the fact we imported all the mind control scientists and
used them to create an army of sex slaves for the CIA so they could
corrupt our nation, our industry, and our people to benefit the
British Empire.
With as many easily snookered and dumbfounded K12s (that obviously
includes the likes of yourself); why on Earth would any sort of
ulterior motivated mind control even be necessary?
Do you really think our K12+ educated are even 1% as smart as
yourself? (if so they seem to be really good at keeping themselves
hidden)
Smart has nothing to do with it.
Especially with you, that's absolute bullshit!
What's absolute Bullshit in your estimation Guth?
Post by Brad Guth
Are you trying to prove you're a better FUD-master than most?
I don't know what you mean by that term.  Do you?
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
In which year did we lose control and our faith in all things DARPA
and NASA?
I awoke this year.  Although, its clear we did go to the moon.
I've never stipulated that some of our Apollo stuff (w/o crew) didn't
make it to the surface.
What is it about our having absolutely zilch worth of purely fly-by-
rocket lander technology of that era, that don't you still can't
understand?
Just because you don't understand astrodynamics doesn't mean it didn't
happen Brad.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/nasa58040.pdf
Just because you don't understand the physics of photographics or
optical lens factors, doesn't mean that our NASA/Apollo era has told
us the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Dude, read that publication I gave you a reference to.  It shows
precisely how the landings on the Moon were accomplished.
They work too!  When you're lifting a craft with rocket action from
exhaust only, the sorts of control used by Apollo for the LEM apply.
Recently in New Zealand, the Martin Company developed a VTOL 'jet
belt' that made use of these very same control algorithms.  I had the
great opportunity to visit Martin and discuss this with them.
Before the application of Apollo type control http://youtu.be/vyb6vnX1My0
http://youtu.be/NUypr5cNTAU
Post by Brad Guth
You are aware that
Kodak has not officially forensic certified any of those Apollo era
images.
Really?  I guess you didn't see these words from Kodak recently;
http://1000words.kodak.com/thousandwords/post/?id=2401573
Post by Brad Guth
What if there's only one bogus image?
You mean like this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_the_Flag_on_Iwo_Jima#Publication...
Just because Iwo Jima was staged didn't mean the US didn't lose 6,000
troops and take the island after fierce fighting.
Post by Brad Guth
How many errors or mistakes does a suspected criminal or mafia have to
make?
I don't understand this question.  You are marginalizing the dead
certain fact that NASA supports the kidnapping and brain washing of
infants and children to support the CIA MK-Ultra program to create a
variety of mind controlled slaves by pointlessly attacking the dead
certain fact that NASA actually went to the moon.  I mean, you sound
like someone who's against nuclear power but thinks its just dandy
that humanity has thousands of nuclear weapons poised at the ready to
incinerate the planet!
Post by Brad Guth
If our NASA/Apollo did exactly as they claim, they sure as hell can't
independently manage to objectively prove it.
Dude, were you alive in 1969?  It was in all the papers.  Don't you
remember?  I was and I remember.  I believe overwhelmingly that Apollo
did as they say.  The USSR said we did and they had no love of the USA
at the time.  Japanese scientists also said we did years later.
http://youtu.be/6r80qhoPB0g
and here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=nE6zqCq8dRs&NR=1
Post by Brad Guth
Are you saying that you
know more than our DARPA and NASA combined are willing to share?
I don't know what you're asking.  Do you?
Post by Brad Guth
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Dude, reasonable people can disagree about a thing.  You and I
disagree about whether Apollo went to the moon.  You are getting waaay
too upset about it.  Relax.  Whatever really happened will be sorted
out in a few years when others get to the moon and report back.
In Sept 2010 China announced it will complete a piloted moon landing
in 2025, likely with the first woman on the moon.  Orbiters of Mars
and Venus and the Moon by 2013.  Landers and sample return 2017.
We're only a few years away from all of that.
http://china.globaltimes.cn/society/2010-09/575264.html
A manned orbit of the moon by China is doable today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Lunar_Exploration_Program
If they don't replicate the findings of the USSR and Japan, then, they
will report it.
Your bipolar condition is noted, as is your lack of reading
comprehension.  You obviously don't even have a clue as to what I'm
after.
You're the one that insist we've been under Catholic/Nazi mind
control, and otherwise you pretend to know how our government is so
screwed up from the very get-go, plus otherwise how it's currently
corrupted and dysfunctional, and yet you insist that our Nazi ARPA
which became DARPA and their public-funded NASA of the Apollo era were
all perfectly good-guys that never obfuscated nor having lied about a
damn thing.  Good for you.
Apparently you'll have to keep living in the future because, you and
others of your remorseless kind have only screwed up everything of
today and the past.  No wonder you really don't want to revise one
textbook word of history.
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Wow, Mooky isn't kOOky enough for you, eh Brad?
That was an amazing rant, wasn't it? Fantastic.
FUD-Master #2
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As of lately Mook isn't sufficiently medicated, so it's not unexpected
for his lips and butt-cheeks to get entirely mixed signals. On a good
medicated day, Mook is nearly impossible to live with.

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As of lately Mook isn't sufficiently medicated, so it's not unexpected
for his lips and butt-cheeks to get entirely mixed signals. On a good
medicated day, Mook is nearly impossible to live with.
You think he's kOOkier than you are?

That's amusing Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”.

Shill #2
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Brad Guth
2011-12-22 22:58:46 UTC
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Post by Government Shill #2
Post by Brad Guth
As of lately Mook isn't sufficiently medicated, so it's not unexpected
for his lips and butt-cheeks to get entirely mixed signals.  On a good
medicated day, Mook is nearly impossible to live with.
You think he's kOOkier than you are?
That's amusing Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / Guth Usenet .
Shill #2
--
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 theobviousgcashman
Mook is defiantly a one man island, all to himself. However, he does
manage to uncover and drag out some interesting research which should
have been published in our K12 textbooks as of more than a decade
ago. Some of his applications are off the hook, but that doesn't mean
that everything is at risk of being crazy, especially when 99.9% of
Usenet/newsgroup contributors can't hardly tie their own shoelaces.

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As of latelyMookisn't sufficiently medicated, so it's not unexpected
for his lips and butt-cheeks to get entirely mixed signals.  On a good
medicated day,Mookis nearly impossible to live with.
You think he's kOOkier than you are?
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Mookis defiantly a one man island, all to himself.  However, he does
manage to uncover and drag out some interesting research which should
have been published in our K12 textbooks as of more than a decade
ago.  Some of his applications are off the hook, but that doesn't mean
that everything is at risk of being crazy, especially when 99.9% of
Usenet/newsgroup contributors can't hardly tie their own shoelaces.
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South Island to be exact. There are 1 million others down here with
me.

We're rebuilding Christchurch, turning coal into fuel, building
rockets airplanes and jet belts along with submarines and ships - some
powered by hydrogen. I've got a conventional sub-division underway,
and alternatively powered sub-division on the way, and two small
island communities planned.

The love the Voljet helicopter by Bruno Nagler.

http://www.aviastar.org/helicopters_eng/nagler_nh-160.php



Here's George Vraneck's disk-rotor concept



Using the Coanda Effect and combining it with Jet Tip action at the
rim of a solid disk along with a few other innovations produce a disk
type helicopter that can also operate like an airplane without having
to retract the blades - the disk thickness can vary to produce a wing
like action with a slight angle of attack when in forward flight.
Instead of slinging the body of the aircraft below the lifting
surface, it can be built inside as in the flying wing - to make a
simple efficient flight system.

Similar to this
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Except powered by a compressor - more like this
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with the blower driving a rim rotor attached via an air bearing inside
a shroud around the rim - sort of like this
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Here's a fan built for a coanda effect drive for a jet boat
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haha - so, a hydrogen powered VTOL aircraft whisks people and things
from the islands to Auckland and back - in a few minutes - a very low
cost.
William Mook
2011-12-23 02:43:48 UTC
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Just had a series of 5+ earthquakes that are still going on..

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10775043
William Mook
2011-12-23 03:03:31 UTC
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Just had a series of 5+ earthquakes that are still going on..
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10775043
http://servos.com/iWeb%20Site%20-%20Backup/Motion_Bases/Six_Axis_Seat_files/new%206%20axis%20seat.pdf

Buildings built on 'foundation actuators' with accelerometers could
take the 'shakes' out of the earthquakes in buildings.

Brad Guth
2011-12-22 05:56:13 UTC
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The only thing I note about the images of Venus you keep talking about
is that the scale is all wrong.  Also, last time Dr. Kraus observed
Venus with 'Big Ear' it was dead silent.  Other than the occasional
lightning strike there wasn't anything going on there.  So, that sort
of deflates the idea something as advanced as radio or radar is being
used on the planet.
Electrical storms, sure.  Since 1956 - Kraus observed the planet
looking for narrow whatever signals the planet produced.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v178/n4535/abs/178687a0.html
Nada.  Nothing.  Zero.  Goose Egg.
What the Fu*k does radio or microwaves have to do with intelligent
other life on Venus?

Even if I were a Venusian with a good S-band transceiver, I sure as
hell would never have the thing pointed at Earth, nor otherwise
leaking any RF outside of those extremely thick and dense layers of
clouds. Besides being just plain stupid and arrogant as a ZNR, you
really do have a number of mental issues that are worse than
borderline narcissistic.

Your supposed better knowledge than all of NASA and their contractors
about the raw scale of items on Venus is noted. Gee whiz, why haven't
you been working for NASA or any other DoD, MI6/CIA/NSA intelligence
agency?

If those SAR obtained pixels are not worth an average of 225 meters,
then what the hell is their scale?

Are you actually suggesting that our NASA never knew anything about
your superior expertise in everything?

Should I send them a really good mugshot of yourself for their files?
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William Mook
2011-12-22 07:32:21 UTC
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Post by William Mook
The only thing I note about the images of Venus you keep talking about
is that the scale is all wrong.  Also, last time Dr. Kraus observed
Venus with 'Big Ear' it was dead silent.  Other than the occasional
lightning strike there wasn't anything going on there.  So, that sort
of deflates the idea something as advanced as radio or radar is being
used on the planet.
Electrical storms, sure.  Since 1956 - Kraus observed the planet
looking for narrow whatever signals the planet produced.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v178/n4535/abs/178687a0.html
Nada.  Nothing.  Zero.  Goose Egg.
What the Fu*k does radio or microwaves have to do with intelligent
other life on Venus?
Because intelligent beings use electricity and electrical signaling.
Post by Brad Guth
Even if I were a Venusian with a good S-band transceiver, I sure as
hell would never have the thing pointed at Earth, nor otherwise
leaking any RF outside of those extremely thick and dense layers of
clouds.
Obviously your knowledge of radio telescopy is wanting.
Post by Brad Guth
 Besides being just plain stupid and arrogant as a ZNR, you
I have an opinion different than yours. I gave you my reasons. That
bothers you. It causes you to make horrific judgments of me just to
make you feel better.

That's your problem Guth, not mine.
Post by Brad Guth
really do have a number of mental issues that are worse than
borderline narcissistic.
No, you do.
Post by Brad Guth
Your supposed better knowledge than all of NASA and their contractors
about the raw scale of items on Venus is noted.
??? The scale is on the website where you got the photo dude.
Post by Brad Guth
Gee whiz, why haven't
you been working for NASA or any other DoD, MI6/CIA/NSA intelligence
agency?
Because I'm self-employed.
Post by Brad Guth
If those SAR obtained pixels are not worth an average of 225 meters,
then what the hell is their scale?
??? Sometimes what you say is so weird that its impossible to figure
out how to respond meaningfully to it.
Post by Brad Guth
Are you actually suggesting that our NASA never knew anything about
your superior expertise in everything?
??? Ditto.
Post by Brad Guth
Should I send them a really good mugshot of yourself for their files?
 http://www.edconrad.com/pics/TightFit.jpg
??? haha - you do realize you have serious problems if you can't
accept that people will differ sometimes with some things you
believe.
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FEMA

The Dark Underbelly

























by Bob Worn





From: BOB WORN
Subject: FEMA - The Dark Underbelly
Date: Sat, 10 Jan. 1998 00:49:27

EST NOTE FROM BOB: Ladies and gentlemen, please read this carefully
and thoroughly. This is not the
figment of a fertile imagination. It is a devious plan by many
previous administrations to replace America's
sovereignty with despotism. It is TRUE.

It is FEDERAL LAW. 1998 is meant to be The Year of FEMA.


FEMA - The Dark Underbelly

Some people have referred to it as the "secret government" of the
United States. It is not
an elected body, it does not involve itself in public disclosures, and
it even has a quasi-secret
budget in the hundreds of billions of dollars. This government
organization has more power
than the President of the United States or the Congress, more power
than "the people," it
has the power to suspend laws, move entire populations, arrest and
detain citizens without a
warrant and hold them without trial, it can seize property, food
supplies, transportation
systems, and can suspend the Constitution.
Not only is it the most powerful entity in the United States, but
it was not even created
under Constitutional law by the Congress. It was a product of a
Presidential Executive
Order. It is not the U.S. military, nor the Central Intelligence
Agency. These organizations
are subject to the control of Congress. The organization is called
FEMA, which stands for
the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Originally conceived in the
Richard Nixon
Administration, it was refined by Jimmy Carter and given teeth in the
Ronald Reagan and
George Bush Administrations.
FEMA had one original concept when it was created, to ensure the
survivability of the
United States government in the event of a nuclear attack on this
nation. It was also
provided with the task of being a federal coordinating body during
times of domestic
disasters, such as earthquakes, floods and hurricanes. Its awesome
powers grew under the
tutelage of people like Lt. Col. Oliver North and General Richard
Secord, the architects on
the Iran-Contra scandal and the looting of America's savings and loan
institutions. FEMA
has even been given control of the State Defense Forces, a rag-tag,
often considered neo-
Nazi, civilian army that will substitute for the National Guard, if
the Guard is called to duty
overseas.

THE MOST POWERFUL ORGANIZATION IN THE UNITED STATES

Though it may be the most powerful organization in the United
States, few people know
it even exists. FEMA has crept into our private lives. Even mortgage
papers contain FEMA's
name in small print if the property in question is near a flood plain.
FEMA was deeply
involved in the Los Angeles riots and the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake
in the San Francisco
Bay Area. Some of the black helicopter traffic reported throughout the
United States, but
mainly in the West, California, Washington, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas
and Colorado, are
flown by FEMA personnel. FEMA has been given responsibility for many
new disasters
including urban forest fires, home heating emergencies, refugee
situations, urban riots, and
emergency planning for nuclear and toxic incidents. In the West, it
works in conjunction
with the Sixth Army.
FEMA was created in a series of Executive Orders. A Presidential
Executive Order,
whether Constitutional or not, becomes law simply by its publication
in the Federal Register.
Congress is by-passed.
Executive Order Number 12148 created the Federal Emergency
Management Agency
that is to interface with the Department of Defense for civil defense
planning and funding.
An "emergency czar" was appointed. FEMA had spent only about 6 percent
of its budget on
national emergencies while the bulk of their funding had been used for
the construction of
ground facilities to ensure continuity of government in case of a
major emergency, foreign or
domestic.
Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security
Council as the principal
body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government
to increase
domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would
restrict the freedom of
movement within the United States and grant the government the right
to isolate large
groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal
all borders and take
control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry.
Here are just a few Executive Orders associated with FEMA that
would suspend the
Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been
on record for nearly
30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:


EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 ( 27 F.R. 1527 ) allows Secretary of
Transportation to take over ALL
modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports. It also
gives the Secretary of Commerce full control of the
production and distribution of ALL construction materials, gas, oil,
and power as well as ALL civilian, private
aviation facilities, highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 ( 27 F.R. 1519 ) allows the government to
seize and control the
communication media. It establishes the Telecommunications Management
Agency that provides for the "takeover" of
ALL communications media in the United States. This includes broadcast
and cable television, ALL radio stations,
ALL satellite earth stations and satellites and ALL telephone
companies and telephone systems in the United States.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 ( 27 F.R. 1522 ) allows the government to
take over ALL electrical power,
gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals. In other words, ALL sources of
energy.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 ( 27 F.R. 1524 ) allows the Secretary of
Agriculture to take over ALL food
resources and farms and farm equipment. This means that all privately
owned farmland and food resources will be
commandeered by the Federal Government, together with all farm
implements and equipment used to work this land.
ALL will become the property of the Federal Government.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999 - Provides for taking over all modes of
transportation, control of highways,
seaports, etc.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 ( 27 F.R. 1532 ) allows the Secretary of
Labor to "mobilize" civilians into
work brigades under government supervision. That's right, every
working American will be under the direct supervision
of the Federal Government. Where you work now or want to work in the
future is not a consideration. You will be
required to work where you are told to work. Have you ever considered
the term "slave labor"?

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 ( 27 F.R. 1534 ) allows the Secretary of
Health, Education and Welfare to
control ALL health services, doctors, hospitals, etc., ALL welfare
services and ALL educational programs and
facilities, public and private.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 ( 27 F.R. 1539 ) designates the Postmaster
General to operate a national
registration of ALL persons in the United States. This will account
for every American, his or her location and
"status."

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 ( 27 F.R. 1540 ) empowers the Federal
Aviation Administration to take
over ALL airports and commandeer ALL aircraft, including commercial
aircraft.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 ( 27 F.R. 1542 ) establishes the authority
for the Federal Housing
Administration (FHA) to take control of ALL housing, lodging and
community facilities in the United States. This
means the relocation, to a place of the government's choosing, of any
part of the population they choose to move. In other
words, it doesn't matter where you live now or what property you own,
it will become the property of the government and
THE GOVERNMENT WILL TELL YOU WHERE TO LIVE. It will relocate entire
communities, build
new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and
establish new locations for populations.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 ( 27 F.R. 1544 ) empowers the Interstate
Commerce Commission to take
over ALL railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 ( 27 F.R. 1688 ) specifies the
responsibility of the Office of Emergency
Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into
effect in times of increased international or domestic
tensions and economic or financial crisis.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 ( 32 F.R. 12877 ) directs the Department of
Justice to enforce the plans set
out in All Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to
establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all
aliens, to operate ALL penal and correctional institutions, and to
advise and assist the President.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11490 ( 34 F.R. 17567 ) authored by Richard Nixon
consolidates all previous
Executive Orders into one act of law. It also gave the Department of
Justice the power to control "alien enemies" and
all "other aliens" and to provide for their location, relocation,
restraint and/or custody. It also provides the power to
seize ALL property of the alien enemies and "other aliens." No
definition of terms was given to know who "alien
enemies" or "other aliens" are. It is left to the discretion of the
Department of Justice, i.e. Janet Reno! It allows the
Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish
control over the mechanisms of production and
distribution of ALL energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the
flow of money in U.S. financial institutions in any
undefined national emergency. It makes mandatory the confiscation and
control of ALL monetary items and the entire
financial structure and assets of the United States of America,
public, private and institutional by the Secretary of the
Treasury. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared
by the President, Congress cannot review the action
for six months.

And last but not least, on 20 July 1979 "You Can Trust Me"
President Jimmy Carter authored
EXECUTIVE ORDER 12148 ( 44 F.R. 43239 ) which completes the plan for
the COMPLETE
DICTATORSHIP RULE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. In this E.O.
President Carter
places the powers previously given to separate agencies or departments/
administrations under the SOLE CONTROL
of FEMA - the Federal Emergency Management Agency. He also "handed
off" to FEMA many powers previously
held ONLY BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA such as
FULL
CONTROL OF THE MILITARY FORCES. Yes, FEMA can now assume the powers
and duties of the
President, in violation of the Constitution of the United States of
America. All that is needed to implement these
controls is the declaration of a national emergency by any President.
Neither Congress, previous Presidents nor the
courts have ever rendered a definition of a "National Emergency"!

EXECUTIVE ORDER 12803 - Provides for privatization of nation's
infrastructure through sale of public
assets to private parties.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 12919 - Brings everything not covered above under
total government control.
The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every
aspect of the
nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division
stated in a 1983
conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the
protection of individual and
governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military
installations from sabotage
and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining
access to U.S. opinion,
or a global audience in times of crisis."
FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to
incorporate: the National
Security Act of 1947, which allows for the strategic relocation of
industries, services,
government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize
the requirements for
manpower, resources and production facilities;
The 1950 Defense Production Act, which gives the President
sweeping powers over all
aspects of the economy;
The Act of August 29, 1916, which authorizes the Secretary of the
Army, in time of war,
to take possession of any transportation system for transporting
troops, material, or any
other purpose related to the emergency; and
The International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which enables
the President to
seize the property of a foreign country or national. These powers were
transferred to FEMA
in a sweeping consolidation in 1979.

SOUTH FLORIDA / SOUTH LOUISIANA "FUBAR" FOCUSED ATTENTION ON
FEMA

FEMA's deceptive role really did not come to light with much of
the public until
Hurricane Andrew smashed into the U.S. mainland. As Russell R. Dynes,
director of the
Disaster Research Center of the University of Delaware, wrote in The
World and I, "...The
eye of the political storm hovered over the Federal Emergency
Management Agency. FEMA
became a convenient target for criticism." Because FEMA was accused of
dropping the ball
in Florida, the media and Congress commenced to study this agency.
What came out of the
critical look was that FEMA was spending 12 times more for "black
operations" than for
disaster relief. It spent $4.3 billion building secret bunkers
throughout the United States in
anticipation of government disruption by foreign or domestic upheaval.
Fewer than 20
members of Congress, only members with top security clearance, know of
the $4.3 billion
expenditure by FEMA for non-natural disaster situations. These few
Congressional leaders
state that FEMA has a "black curtain" around its operations. FEMA had
worked on
National Security programs since 1979, and its predecessor, the
Federal Emergency
Preparedness Agency, had secretly spent billions of dollars before
being merged into FEMA
by President Carter in 1979.
FEMA has developed 300 sophisticated mobile units that are
capable of sustaining
themselves for a month. The vehicles are located in five areas of the
United States. They
have tremendous communication systems and each contains a generator
that would provide
power to 120 homes each, but have never been used for disaster
relief.
FEMA's enormous powers can be triggered easily. In any form of
domestic or foreign
problem, perceived and not always actual, emergency powers can be
enacted. The President
of the United States now has broader powers to declare martial law,
which activates FEMA's
extra-ordinary powers. Martial law can be declared during time of
increased tension overseas,
economic problems within the United States, such as a depression,
civil unrest,
demonstrations or scenes like the Los Angeles riots, and in a drug
crisis. These Presidential
powers have increased with successive Crime Bills, particularly the
1991 and 1993 Crime
Bills, which increase the power to suspend the rights guaranteed under
the Constitution and
to seize property from those suspected of being drug dealers and to
individuals who
participate in a public protest or demonstration. Under emergency
plans already in existence,
the power exists to suspend the Constitution and turn over the reigns
of government to
FEMA and appointing military commanders to run state and local
governments. FEMA
then would have the right to order the detention of anyone whom there
is reasonable
ground to believe...will engage in, or probably conspire with others
to engage in acts of
espionage or sabotage. The plan also authorized the establishment of
concentration camps
for detaining the accused, but no trial.
Three times since 1984, FEMA stood on the threshold of taking
control of the nation,
once under President Reagan in 1984, and twice under President Bush in
1990 and 1992.
Under those three scenarios, there was not a sufficient crisis to
warrant risking martial law.
Most experts on the subject of FEMA and Martial Law insisted that a
crisis has to appear
dangerous enough for the people of the United States before they would
tolerate or accept
complete government takeover. The typical crisis needed would be
threat of imminent
nuclear war, rioting in several U.S. cities simultaneously a-la South
Central Los Angeles and
any other city, a series of national disasters that affect widespread
danger to the populous,
massive terrorist attacks, a depression in which tens of millions are
unemployed and without
financial resources, or a major environmental disaster.

THREE TIMES FEMA STOOD BY READY FOR EMERGENCY

In April 1984, President Reagan signed Presidential Directive
Number 54 that allowed
FEMA to engage in a secret national "readiness exercise" under the
code name of REX 84.
The exercise was to test FEMA's readiness to assume military authority
in the event of a
"State of Domestic National Emergency" concurrent with the launching
of a direct United
States military operation in Central America. The plan called for the
deputation of U.S.
military and National Guard units so that they could legally be used
for domestic law
enforcement. These units would be assigned to conduct sweeps and take
into custody an
estimated 400,000 undocumented Central American immigrants in the
United States. The
immigrants would be interned at 10 detention centers to be set up at
military bases and other
detention centers throughout the country.
REX 84 was so highly guarded that special metal security doors
were placed on the fifth
floor of the FEMA building in Washington, D.C. Even long-standing
employees of the Civil
Defense team of the Federal Executive Department possessing the
highest possible security
clearances were not being allowed through the newly installed metal
security doors. Only
personnel wearing a special red Christian cross or crucifix lapel pin
were allowed into the
premises. Lt. Col. North was responsible for drawing up the emergency
plan, which U.S.
Attorney General William French Smith opposed vehemently. The plan
called for the
suspension of the Constitution, turning control of the government over
to FEMA,
appointment of military commanders to run state and local governments
and the declaration
of Martial Law. The Presidential Executive Orders to support such a
plan were already in
place. The plan also advocated the rounding up and transfer to
"assembly centers or
relocation camps" of at least 21 million American Negroes in the event
of massive rioting or
disorder, not unlike the rounding up of the Jews in Nazi Germany in
the 1930's.
The second known time that FEMA stood by was in 1990 when Desert
Storm was
enacted. Prior to President Bush's invasion of Iraq, FEMA began to
draft new legislation to
increase its already formidable powers. One of the elements
incorporated into the plan was
to set up operations within any state or locality without the prior
permission of local or state
authorities. Such prior permission has always been required in the
past. Much of the
mechanism being set into place was in anticipation of the economic
collapse of the Western
World. The war with Iraq may have been conceived as a ploy to boost
the bankrupt
economy, but it only pushed the West into deeper recession. Please
remember that a deep
recession or all-out depression would be a cause for declaring martial
law. Think of what the
stock market is doing this week, 1 to 7 Jan.
The third scenario for FEMA came with the Los Angeles riots after
the Rodney King
brutality verdict. Had the rioting spread to other cities, FEMA would
have been empowered
to act. As it was, major rioting only occurred in the Los Angeles
area, thus preventing a
pretext for a FEMA response.
On July 5, 1987, the Miami Herald published reports on FEMA's new
goals. The goal
was to suspend the Constitution in the event of a national crisis,
such as nuclear war, violent
and wide- spread internal dissent, or national opposition to a U.S.
military invasion abroad.
Lt. Col. North was the architect. National Security Directive Number
52 issued in August
1982, pertains to the "Use of National Guard Troops to Quell
Disturbances."
The crux of the problem is that FEMA has the power to turn the
United States into a
police state in time of a real crisis or a manufactured crisis. Lt.
Col. North virtually
established the apparatus for dictatorship. Only the criticism of the
Attorney General
prevented the plans from being adopted. Intelligence reports indicate
that FEMA has a
folder with 22 Executive Orders for the President to sign in case of
an emergency. It is
believed those Executive Orders contain the framework of North's
concepts, delayed by
criticism but never truly abandoned.
The crisis, as the government now sees it, is civil unrest. For
generations, the government
was concerned with nuclear war, but the violent and disruptive
demonstrations that
surrounded the Vietnam War era prompted President Nixon to change the
direction of
emergency powers from war time to times of domestic unrest. Diana
Reynolds, program
director of the Edward R. Morrow Center, summed up the dangers of FEMA
today and the
public reaction to Martial Law in a drug crisis: "It was James
Madison's worst nightmare that
a righteous faction would someday be strong enough to sweep away the
Constitutional
restraints designed by the framers to prevent the tyranny of
centralized power, excessive
privilege, an arbitrary governmental authority over the individual.
These restraints, the
balancing and checking of powers among branches and layers of
government, and the civil
guarantees, would be the first casualties in a drug-induced national
security state with
Reagan's Civil Emergency Preparedness unleashed. Nevertheless, there
would be those who
would welcome NSC (National Security Council) into the drug fray,
believing that increasing
state police powers to emergency levels is the only way left to fight
America's enemy within.
In the short run a national security state would probably be a relief
to those whose personal
security and quality of life has been diminished by drugs or drug
related crime. And, as the
general public watches the progression of institutional chaos and
social decay, they too may
be willing to pay the ultimate price, one drug free America for 200
years of a free and
dynamic republic. God forbid!
The first targets in any FEMA emergency will be the Hispanics and
the blacks. FEMA's
orders call for them to be rounded up and detained. Tax protesters,
demonstrators against
government military intervention outside U.S. borders, those who are
ever vocal to point out
the shortcomings of the government or the present administration and
the grossly apparent
usurpations of the citizens' rights by that government and people who
maintain weapons in
their homes are also targets. Operation Trojan Horse is a program
designed to learn the
identity of potential opponents to martial law. The operation set up
by the FBI at Burke,
South Dakota (The Tri-State Militia) is an outstanding example of a
Trojan Horse. The
program lures potential protesters into public forums, conducted by a
leader of the people
who advocates readiness and survival training. The list of names
gathered at such meetings
and rallies are computerized and then targeted in case of an
emergency. Just a short time ago,
the news broke of a highly sophisticated Top Secret computer system in
the White House
called WHO DB. It is reported that this data base contains over
200,000 persons. It tracks
such things as whether the subject supports or opposes issues such as
same sex marriages,
gays in the military and whether the subject speaks out against the
administration. Yes,
patriots will be targeted!
The most shining example of America to the world has been its
peaceful transition of
government from one administration to another. Despite crises of great
magnitude, the
United States has maintained its freedom and liberty. This nation now
stands on the
threshold of rule by non-elected people asserting non-Constitutional
powers. Even Congress
cannot review a Martial Law action until six months after it has been
declared. For the first
time in American history, the reigns of government would not be
transferred from one
elected element to another. The Constitution of the United States will
be "suspended." The
same Constitution that many of us swore to "support and defend against
all enemies, foreign
or DOMESTIC."

Dear God, where are my comrades, why do they not rally?!

The scenarios established to trigger FEMA into action are
generally found in the society
of today; economic collapse, civil unrest, drug problems, terrorist
attacks, distrust of the
government by a majority of the people, protests against American
intervention in a foreign
country. With all of these premises existing, it could only be a
matter of time until one of
these triggers the entire emergency necessary to bring FEMA into
action, and then it may be
too late, because under the FEMA plan, there is no contingency by
which Constitutional
power is restored.

Please cogitate.........

May God Bless America, what ever its course.
Bob Worn





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E.O. 13083 - Issued May 14, 1998, called "Federalism", is
designed to take more powers from the
states and give them to Federal Government agencies, such as F.E.M.A..
This E.O. revokes President
Ronald Reagan's 1987 E.O. 12612 on Federalism, which recognized that
our Constitution reserves
many important powers to the states.

Following are some of the Matters that E.O. 13083 asserts
"justify Federal action":

- "When there is a need for uniform national standards."

- "When decentralization increases the cost of government thus
imposing additional burdens on
the taxpayer."

- "When states have not adequately protected individuals rights
and liberties."

- "When States would be reluctant to impose necessary regulations
because of fears that regulated
business activity will relocate to other states."

- "When placing regulatory authority at the State or local level
would undermine regulatory goals
because high costs or demands for specialized expertise will
effectively place the regulatory matter
beyond the resources of State authorities."

- "When the matter relates to Federally owned or managed property
or natural resources, trust
obligations, or international obligations."

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Brad Guth
2011-12-22 14:44:41 UTC
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Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
The only thing I note about the images of Venus you keep talking about
is that the scale is all wrong.  Also, last time Dr. Kraus observed
Venus with 'Big Ear' it was dead silent.  Other than the occasional
lightning strike there wasn't anything going on there.  So, that sort
of deflates the idea something as advanced as radio or radar is being
used on the planet.
Electrical storms, sure.  Since 1956 - Kraus observed the planet
looking for narrow whatever signals the planet produced.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v178/n4535/abs/178687a0.html
Nada.  Nothing.  Zero.  Goose Egg.
What the Fu*k does radio or microwaves have to do with intelligent
other life on Venus?
Because intelligent beings use electricity and electrical signaling.
Obviously you don't seem to appreciate even the human history of
Earth, in that 99.9999% of known human history never knew anything
about the use of "electricity and electrical signaling" other than
getting a static shock, not to mention that 99.9999% of complex life
on Earth that's highly survival intelligent still doesn't know squat
about using "electricity and electrical signaling". At least you only
think and act exactly like a Zionist Nazi, but you obviously have a
better name for it.
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Even if I were a Venusian with a good S-band transceiver, I sure as
hell would never have the thing pointed at Earth, nor otherwise
leaking any RF outside of those extremely thick and dense layers of
clouds.
Obviously your knowledge of radio telescopy is wanting.
Obviously you're unemployed and/or unemployable as well as
dysfunctional even with your own stuff, because supposedly you're
smarter than Einstein plus most everyone else combined, though your
scientific obfuscation and its closed mindset about most everything
else seems to be working like a charm, and by keeping such a low
profile that perhaps even your own mother doesn't realize how smart,
rich and powerful you are. Not bad for someone with zero employees
and nothing else to show except bogus paperwork that most any
dysfunctional 5th grader could come up with.
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
 Besides being just plain stupid and arrogant as a ZNR, you
I have an opinion different than yours.  I gave you my reasons.  That
bothers you.  It causes you to make horrific judgments of me just to
make you feel better.
That's your problem Guth, not mine.
I'm quite certain that's what GW Bush, Dick Cheney and Hitler each
said to anyone that had a different opinion, just before they had them
demoted or shot.
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
really do have a number of mental issues that are worse than
borderline narcissistic.
No, you do.
Exactly, because silly old me, I'm looking for actual logic and
deductive based reasoning that's based upon real physics instead of
published eyecandy hype, spin and accepting of mainstream obfuscation
that you can't seem to get enough of.
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Your supposed better knowledge than all of NASA and their contractors
about the raw scale of items on Venus is noted.
???  The scale is on the website where you got the photo dude.
Your the one claiming that radar obtained image of Venus was all out
of scale, not me. Besides, what the hell does size really have to do
with anything constructed by intelligent other life, as long as the
scale of whatever they construct is simply large enough to suit the
imaging resolution?

Of course you have to know a little something about photographics and
the well documented as well as peer replicated and accepted methods of
digital image enlargement so that village idiot morons can better see
what I interpreted from the raw 225 m/pixel scale format. (actually
that 225 meter/pixel is a composite derivative of their 75 m/pixel
data, which thereby gives us only 36 confirming radar scans per 225
meter pixel, as opposed to a CCD imager that gives just one scan per
pixel) Gee whiz, I wonder which method of imaging is going to be more
reliable?
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Gee whiz, why haven't
you been working for NASA or any other DoD, MI6/CIA/NSA intelligence
agency?
Because I'm self-employed.
Your being self-employed as the village idiot and/or their brown-nosed
butch seems to fit rather nicely.
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
If those SAR obtained pixels are not worth an average of 225 meters,
then what the hell is their scale?
???  Sometimes what you say is so weird that its impossible to figure
out how to respond meaningfully to it.
But you claim to know absolutely everything about everything, so
what's your problem with this 1:1 imaging scale of 225 m/pixel, or
can't you count pixels?
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Are you actually suggesting that our NASA never knew anything about
your superior expertise in everything?
??? Ditto.
Double ditto right back at you.
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Should I send them a really good mugshot of yourself for their files?
 http://www.edconrad.com/pics/TightFit.jpg
???  haha - you do realize you have serious problems if you can't
accept that people will differ sometimes with some things you
believe.
In other words, Mook is just another ruse to cover government butts.
At least that's good to know.

And now you're going to tell us what parts of our dysfunctional
government are prepared as oligarchs and Zionist Nazis to do most of
us and perhaps 95% of everyone else in. Gee whiz, let us all follow
William Mook, except wearing blindfolds and heavy earmuffs so that no
other deductive logic infiltrates the indoctrination and overlord all-
knowing policy of Mook.

Yes in deed, our government has way too much authority and perhaps not
1% of the brains to properly utilize it, and still you sit tight with
all of your clean and dirt cheap energy technology that would set us
all free, that only you know how to empower us with. I guess that's
why there's still not a published textbook word of anything of your
special Mokenergy or that of your NWO/OWG that requires no
enforcements of regulations nor taxation or any global police force
whatsoever, because everyone is going to become extremely wealthy and
behave themselves, as well as none of those bad-guys as the robber
baron oligarchs and Rothschilds from the past are ever again going to
cause us any grief, in fact all 7000 of them are going to beg for
mercy as they give us back the trillions taken thus far, and then
some, without a fight.
Post by William Mook
FEMA
The Dark Underbelly
by Bob Worn
From: BOB WORN
Subject: FEMA - The Dark Underbelly
Date: Sat, 10 Jan. 1998 00:49:27
EST NOTE FROM BOB: Ladies and gentlemen, please read this carefully
and thoroughly. This is not the
figment of a fertile imagination. It is a devious plan by many
previous administrations to replace America's
sovereignty with despotism. It is TRUE.
It is FEDERAL LAW. 1998 is meant to be The Year of FEMA.
FEMA - The Dark Underbelly
     Some people have referred to it as the "secret government" of the
United States. It is not
an elected body, it does not involve itself in public disclosures, and
it even has a quasi-secret
budget in the hundreds of billions of dollars. This government
organization has more power
than the President of the United States or the Congress, more power
than "the people," it
has the power to suspend laws, move entire populations, arrest and
detain citizens without a
warrant and hold them without trial, it can seize property, food
supplies, transportation
systems, and can suspend the Constitution.
     Not only is it the most powerful entity in the United States, but
it was not even created
under Constitutional law by the Congress. It was a product of a
Presidential Executive
Order. It is not the U.S. military, nor the Central Intelligence
Agency. These organizations
are subject to the control of Congress. The organization is called
FEMA, which stands for
the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Originally conceived in the
Richard Nixon
Administration, it was refined by Jimmy Carter and given teeth in the
Ronald Reagan and
George Bush Administrations.
     FEMA had one original concept when it was created, to ensure the
survivability of the
United States government in the event of a nuclear attack on this
nation. It was also
provided with the task of being a federal coordinating body during
times of domestic
disasters, such as earthquakes, floods and hurricanes. Its awesome
powers grew under the
tutelage of people like Lt. Col. Oliver North and General Richard
Secord, the architects on
the Iran-Contra scandal and the looting of America's savings and loan
institutions. FEMA
has even been given control of the State Defense Forces, a rag-tag,
often considered neo-
Nazi, civilian army that will substitute for the National Guard, if
the Guard is called to duty
overseas.
THE MOST POWERFUL ORGANIZATION IN THE UNITED STATES
     Though it may be the most powerful organization in the United
States, few people know
it even exists. FEMA has crept into our private lives. Even mortgage
papers contain FEMA's
name in small print if the property in question is near a flood plain.
FEMA was deeply
involved in the Los Angeles riots and the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake
in the San Francisco
Bay Area. Some of the black helicopter traffic reported throughout the
United States, but
mainly in the West, California, Washington, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas
and Colorado, are
flown by FEMA personnel. FEMA has been given responsibility for many
new disasters
including urban forest fires, home heating emergencies, refugee
situations, urban riots, and
emergency planning for nuclear and toxic incidents. In the West, it
works in conjunction
with the Sixth Army.
     FEMA was created in a series of Executive Orders. A Presidential
Executive Order,
whether Constitutional or not, becomes law simply by its publication
in the Federal Register.
Congress is by-passed.
     Executive Order Number 12148 created the Federal Emergency
Management Agency
that is to interface with the Department of Defense for civil defense
planning and funding.
An "emergency czar" was appointed. FEMA had spent only about 6 percent
of its budget on
national emergencies while the bulk of their funding had been used for
the construction of
ground facilities to ensure continuity of government in case of a
major emergency, foreign or
domestic.
     Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security
Council as the principal
body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government
to increase
domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would
restrict the freedom of
movement within the United States and grant the government the right
to isolate large
groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal
all borders and take
control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry.
     Here are just a few Executive Orders associated with FEMA that
would suspend the
Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been
on record for nearly
     EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 ( 27 F.R. 1527 ) allows Secretary of
Transportation to take over ALL
modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports. It also
gives the Secretary of Commerce full control of the
production and distribution of ALL construction materials, gas, oil,
and power as well as ALL civilian, private
aviation facilities, highways and seaports.
     EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 ( 27 F.R. 1519 ) allows the government to
seize and control the
communication media. It establishes the Telecommunications Management
Agency that provides for the "takeover" of
ALL communications media in the United States. This includes broadcast
and cable television, ALL radio stations,
ALL satellite earth stations and satellites and ALL telephone
companies and telephone systems in the United States.
     EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 ( 27 F.R. 1522 ) allows the government to
take over ALL electrical power,
gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals. In other words, ALL sources of
energy.
     EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 ( 27 F.R. 1524 ) allows the Secretary of
Agriculture to take over ALL food
resources and farms and farm equipment. This means that all privately
owned farmland and food resources will be
commandeered by the Federal Government, together with all farm
implements and equipment used to work this land.
ALL will become the property of the Federal Government.
     EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999 - Provides for taking over all modes of
transportation, control of highways,
seaports, etc.
     EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 ( 27 F.R. 1532 ) allows the Secretary of
Labor to "mobilize" civilians into
work brigades under government supervision. That's right, every
working American will be under the direct supervision
of the Federal Government. Where you work now or want to work in the
future is not a consideration. You will be
required to work where you are told to work. Have you ever considered
the term "slave labor"?
     EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 ( 27 F.R. 1534 ) allows the Secretary of
Health, Education and Welfare to
control ALL health services, doctors, hospitals, etc., ALL welfare
services and ALL educational programs and
facilities, public and private.
     EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 ( 27 F.R. 1539 ) designates the Postmaster
General to operate a national
registration of ALL persons in the United States. This will account
for every American, his or her location and
"status."
     EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 ( 27 F.R. 1540 ) empowers the Federal
Aviation Administration to take
over ALL airports and commandeer ALL aircraft, including commercial
aircraft.
     EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 ( 27 F.R. 1542 ) establishes the authority
for the Federal Housing
Administration (FHA) to take control of ALL housing, lodging and
community facilities in the United States. This
means the relocation, to a place of the government's choosing, of any
part of the population they choose to move. In other
words, it doesn't matter where you live now or what property you own,
it will become the property of the government and
THE GOVERNMENT WILL TELL YOU WHERE TO LIVE. It will relocate entire
communities, build
new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and
establish new locations for populations.
     EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 ( 27 F.R. 1544 ) empowers the Interstate
Commerce Commission to take
over ALL railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.
     EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 ( 27 F.R. 1688 ) specifies the
responsibility of the Office of Emergency
Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into
effect in times of increased international or domestic
tensions and economic or financial crisis.
     EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 ( 32 F.R. 12877 ) directs the Department of
Justice to enforce the plans set
out in All Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to
establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all
aliens, to operate ALL penal and correctional institutions, and to
advise and assist the President.
     EXECUTIVE ORDER 11490 ( 34 F.R. 17567 ) authored by Richard Nixon
consolidates all previous
Executive Orders into one act of law. It also gave the Department of
Justice the power to control "alien enemies" and
all "other aliens" and to provide for their location, relocation,
restraint and/or custody. It also provides the power to
seize ALL property of the alien enemies and "other aliens." No
definition of terms was given to know who "alien
enemies" or "other aliens" are. It is left to the discretion of the
Department of Justice, i.e. Janet Reno! It allows the
Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish
control over the mechanisms of production and
distribution of ALL energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the
flow of money in U.S. financial institutions in any
undefined national emergency. It makes mandatory the confiscation and
control of ALL monetary items and the entire
financial structure and assets of the United States of America,
public, private and institutional by the Secretary of the
Treasury. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared
by the President, Congress cannot review the action
for six months.
     And last but not least, on 20 July 1979 "You Can Trust Me"
President Jimmy Carter authored
EXECUTIVE ORDER 12148 ( 44 F.R. 43239 ) which completes the plan for
the COMPLETE
DICTATORSHIP RULE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. In this E.O.
President Carter
places the powers previously given to separate agencies or departments/
administrations under the SOLE CONTROL
of FEMA - the Federal Emergency Management Agency. He also "handed
off" to FEMA many powers previously
held ONLY BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA such as
FULL
CONTROL OF THE MILITARY FORCES. Yes, FEMA can now assume the powers
and duties of the
President, in violation of the Constitution of the United States of
America. All that is needed to implement these
controls is the declaration of a national emergency by any President.
Neither Congress, previous Presidents nor the
courts have ever rendered a definition of a "National Emergency"!
     EXECUTIVE ORDER 12803 - Provides for privatization of nation's
infrastructure through sale of public
assets to private parties.
     EXECUTIVE ORDER 12919 - Brings everything not covered above under
total government control.
     The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every
aspect of the
nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division
stated in a 1983
conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the
protection of individual and
governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military
installations from sabotage
and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining
access to U.S. opinion,
or a global audience in times of crisis."
     FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to
incorporate: the National
Security Act of 1947, which allows for the strategic relocation of
industries, services,
government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize
the requirements for
manpower, resources and production facilities;
     The 1950 Defense Production Act, which gives the President
sweeping powers over all
aspects of the economy;
    The Act of August 29, 1916, which authorizes the Secretary of the
Army, in time of war,
to take possession of any transportation system for transporting
troops, material, or any
other purpose related to the emergency; and
     The International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which enables
the President to
seize the property of a foreign country or national. These powers were
transferred to FEMA
in a sweeping consolidation in 1979.
SOUTH FLORIDA / SOUTH LOUISIANA "FUBAR" FOCUSED ATTENTION ON
FEMA
     FEMA's deceptive role really did not come to light with much of
the public until
Hurricane Andrew smashed into the U.S. mainland. As Russell R. Dynes,
director of the
Disaster Research Center of the University of Delaware, wrote in The
World and I, "...The
eye of the political storm hovered over the Federal Emergency
Management Agency. FEMA
became a convenient target for criticism." Because FEMA was accused of
dropping the ball
in Florida, the media and Congress commenced to study this agency.
What came out of the
critical look was that FEMA was spending 12 times more for "black
operations" than for
disaster relief. It spent $4.3 billion building secret bunkers
throughout the United States in
anticipation of government disruption by foreign or domestic upheaval.
Fewer than 20
members of Congress, only members with top security clearance, know of
the $4.3 billion
expenditure by FEMA for non-natural disaster situations. These few
Congressional leaders
state that FEMA has a "black curtain" around its operations. FEMA had
worked on
National Security programs since 1979, and its predecessor, the
Federal Emergency
Preparedness Agency, had secretly spent billions of dollars before
being merged into FEMA
by President Carter in 1979.
     FEMA has developed 300 sophisticated mobile units that are
capable of sustaining
themselves for a month. The vehicles are located in five areas of the
United States. They
have tremendous communication systems and each contains a generator
that would provide
power to 120 homes each, but have never been used for disaster
relief.
     FEMA's enormous powers can be triggered easily. In any form of
domestic or foreign
problem, perceived and not always actual, emergency powers can be
enacted. The President
of the United States now has broader powers to declare martial law,
which activates FEMA's
extra-ordinary powers. Martial law can be declared during time of
increased tension overseas,
economic problems within the United States, such as a depression,
civil unrest,
demonstrations or scenes like the Los Angeles riots, and in a drug
crisis. These Presidential
powers have increased with successive Crime Bills, particularly the
1991 and 1993 Crime
Bills, which increase the power to suspend the rights guaranteed under
the Constitution and
to seize property from those suspected of being drug dealers and to
individuals who
participate in a public protest or demonstration. Under emergency
plans already in existence,
the power exists to suspend the Constitution and turn over the reigns
of government to
FEMA and appointing military commanders to run state and local
governments. FEMA
then would have the right to order the detention of anyone whom there
is reasonable
ground to believe...will engage in, or probably conspire with others
to engage in acts of
espionage or sabotage. The plan also authorized the establishment of
concentration camps
for detaining the accused, but no trial.
     Three times since 1984, FEMA stood on the threshold of taking
control of the nation,
once under President Reagan in 1984, and twice under President Bush in
1990 and 1992.
Under those three scenarios, there was not a sufficient crisis to
warrant risking martial law.
Most experts on the subject of FEMA and Martial Law insisted that a
crisis has to appear
dangerous enough for the people of the United States before they would
tolerate or accept
complete government takeover. The typical crisis needed would be
threat of imminent
nuclear war, rioting in several U.S. cities simultaneously a-la South
Central Los Angeles and
any other city, a series of national disasters that affect widespread
danger to the populous,
massive terrorist attacks, a depression in which tens of millions are
unemployed and without
financial resources, or a major environmental disaster.
THREE TIMES FEMA STOOD BY READY FOR EMERGENCY
     In April 1984, President Reagan signed Presidential Directive
Number 54 that allowed
FEMA to engage in a secret national "readiness exercise" under the
code name of REX 84.
The exercise was to test FEMA's readiness to assume military authority
in the event of a
"State of Domestic National Emergency" concurrent with the launching
of a direct United
States military operation in Central America. The plan called for the
deputation of U.S.
military and National Guard units so that they could legally be used
for domestic law
enforcement. These units would be assigned to conduct sweeps and take
into custody an
estimated 400,000 undocumented Central American immigrants in the
United States. The
immigrants would be interned at 10 detention centers to be set up at
military bases and other
detention centers throughout the country.
     REX 84 was so highly guarded that special metal security doors
were placed on the fifth
floor of the FEMA building in Washington, D.C. Even long-standing
employees of the Civil
Defense team of the Federal Executive Department possessing the
highest possible security
clearances were not being allowed through the newly installed metal
security doors. Only
personnel wearing a special red Christian cross or crucifix lapel pin
were allowed into the
premises. Lt. Col. North was responsible for drawing up the emergency
plan, which U.S.
Attorney General William French Smith opposed vehemently. The plan
called for the
suspension of the Constitution, turning control of the government over
to FEMA,
appointment of military commanders to run state and local governments
and the declaration
of Martial Law. The Presidential Executive Orders to support such a
plan were already in
place. The plan also advocated the rounding up and transfer to
"assembly centers or
relocation camps" of at least 21 million American Negroes in the event
of massive rioting or
disorder, not unlike the rounding up of the Jews in Nazi Germany in
the 1930's.
     The second known time that FEMA stood by was in 1990 when Desert
Storm was
enacted. Prior to President Bush's invasion of Iraq, FEMA began to
draft new legislation to
increase its already formidable powers. One of the elements
incorporated into the plan was
to set up operations within any state or locality without the prior
permission of local or state
authorities. Such prior permission has always been required in the
past. Much of the
mechanism being set into place was in anticipation of the economic
collapse of the Western
World. The war with Iraq may have been conceived as a ploy to boost
the bankrupt
economy, but it only pushed the West into deeper recession. Please
remember that a deep
recession or all-out depression would be a cause for declaring martial
law. Think of what the
stock market is doing this week, 1 to 7 Jan.
     The third scenario for FEMA came with the Los Angeles riots after
the Rodney King
brutality verdict. Had the rioting spread to other cities, FEMA would
have been empowered
to act. As it was, major rioting only occurred in the Los Angeles
area, thus preventing a
pretext for a FEMA response.
     On July 5, 1987, the Miami Herald published reports on FEMA's new
goals. The goal
was to suspend the Constitution in the event of a national crisis,
such as nuclear war, violent
and wide- spread internal dissent, or national opposition to a U.S.
military invasion abroad.
Lt. Col. North was the architect. National Security Directive Number
52 issued in August
1982, pertains to the "Use of National Guard Troops to Quell
Disturbances."
     The crux of the problem is that FEMA has the power to turn the
United States into a
police state in time of a real crisis or a manufactured crisis. Lt.
Col. North virtually
established the apparatus for dictatorship. Only the criticism of the
Attorney General
prevented the plans from being adopted. Intelligence reports indicate
that FEMA has a
folder with 22 Executive Orders for the President to sign in case of
an emergency. It is
believed those Executive Orders contain the framework of North's
concepts, delayed by
criticism but never truly abandoned.
     The crisis, as the government now sees it, is civil unrest. For
generations, the government
was concerned with nuclear war, but the violent and disruptive
demonstrations that
surrounded the Vietnam War era prompted President Nixon to change the
direction of
emergency powers from war time to times of domestic unrest. Diana
Reynolds, program
director of the Edward R. Morrow Center, summed up the dangers of FEMA
today and the
public reaction to Martial Law in a drug crisis: "It was James
Madison's worst nightmare that
a righteous faction would someday be strong enough to sweep away the
Constitutional
restraints designed by the framers to prevent the tyranny of
centralized power, excessive
privilege, an arbitrary governmental authority over the individual.
These restraints, the
balancing and checking of powers among branches and layers of
government, and the civil
guarantees, would be the first casualties in a drug-induced national
security state with
Reagan's Civil Emergency Preparedness unleashed. Nevertheless, there
would be those who
would welcome NSC (National Security Council) into the drug fray,
believing that increasing
state police powers to emergency levels is the only way left to fight
America's enemy within.
In the short run a national security state would probably be a relief
to those whose personal
security and quality of life has been diminished by drugs or drug
related crime. And, as the
general public watches the progression of institutional chaos and
social decay, they too may
be willing to pay the ultimate price, one drug free America for 200
years of a free and
dynamic republic. God forbid!
     The first targets in any FEMA emergency will be the Hispanics and
the blacks. FEMA's
orders call for them to be rounded up and detained. Tax protesters,
demonstrators against
government military intervention outside U.S. borders, those who are
ever vocal to point out
the shortcomings of the government or the present administration and
the grossly apparent
usurpations of the citizens' rights by that government and people who
maintain weapons in
their homes are also targets. Operation Trojan Horse is a program
designed to learn the
identity of potential opponents to martial law. The operation set up
by the FBI at Burke,
South Dakota (The Tri-State Militia) is an outstanding example of a
Trojan Horse. The
program lures potential protesters into public forums, conducted by a
leader of the people
who advocates readiness and survival training. The list of names
gathered at such meetings
and rallies are computerized and then targeted in case of an
emergency. Just a short time ago,
the news broke of a highly sophisticated Top Secret computer system in
the White House
called WHO DB. It is reported that this data base contains over
200,000 persons. It tracks
such things as whether the subject supports or opposes issues such as
same sex marriages,
gays in the military and whether the subject speaks out against the
administration. Yes,
patriots will be targeted!
     The most shining example of America to the world has been its
peaceful transition of
government from one administration to another. Despite crises of great
magnitude, the
United States has maintained its freedom and liberty. This nation now
stands on the
threshold of rule by non-elected people asserting non-Constitutional
powers. Even Congress
cannot review a Martial Law action until six months after it has been
declared. For the first
time in American history, the reigns of government would not be
transferred from one
elected element to another. The Constitution of the United States will
be "suspended." The
same Constitution that many of us swore to "support and defend against
all enemies, foreign
or DOMESTIC."
     Dear God, where are my comrades, why do they not rally?!
     The scenarios established to trigger FEMA into action are
generally found in the society
of today; economic collapse, civil unrest, drug problems, terrorist
attacks, distrust of the
government by a majority of the people, protests against American
intervention in a foreign
country. With all of these premises existing, it could only be a
matter of time until one of
these triggers the entire emergency necessary to bring FEMA into
action, and then it may be
too late, because under the FEMA plan, there is no contingency by
which Constitutional
power is restored.
Please cogitate.........
May God Bless America, what ever its course.
Bob Worn
Reproduced and distributed through the facilities of AMERI-WATCH of
Louisiana.
"The People" Watching A Federal Government That Requires Watching
2305 Tilman Drive
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Fax 318-747-3738
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- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
     E.O. 13083 - Issued May 14, 1998, called "Federalism", is
designed to take more powers from the
states and give them to Federal Government agencies, such as F.E.M.A..
This E.O. revokes President
Ronald Reagan's 1987 E.O. 12612 on Federalism, which recognized that
our Constitution reserves
many important powers to the states.
     Following are some of the Matters that E.O. 13083 asserts
     - "When there is a need for uniform national standards."
     - "When decentralization increases the cost of government thus
imposing additional burdens on
the taxpayer."
     - "When states have not adequately protected individuals rights
and liberties."
     - "When States would be reluctant to impose necessary regulations
because of fears that regulated
business activity will relocate to other states."
     - "When placing regulatory authority at the State or local level
would undermine regulatory goals
because high costs or demands for specialized expertise will
effectively place the regulatory matter
beyond the resources of State authorities."
     - "When the matter relates to Federally owned or managed property
or natural resources, trust
obligations, or international obligations."
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William Mook
2011-12-22 17:09:42 UTC
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The only thing I note about the images of Venus you keep talking about
is that the scale is all wrong. Also, last time Dr. Kraus observed
Venus with 'Big Ear' it was dead silent. Other than the occasional
lightning strike there wasn't anything going on there. So, that sort
of deflates the idea something as advanced as radio or radar is being
used on the planet.
Electrical storms, sure. Since 1956 - Kraus observed the planet
looking for narrow whatever signals the planet produced.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v178/n4535/abs/178687a0.html
Nada. Nothing. Zero. Goose Egg.
What the Fu*k does radio or microwaves have to do with intelligent
other life on Venus?
Because intelligent beings use electricity and electrical signaling.
Obviously you don't seem to appreciate even the human history of
Earth, in that 99.9999% of known human history never knew anything
about the use of "electricity and electrical signaling" other than
getting a static shock, not to mention that 99.9999% of complex life
on Earth that's highly survival intelligent still doesn't know squat
about using "electricity and electrical signaling". At least you only
think and act exactly like a Zionist Nazi, but you obviously have a
better name for it.
hahaha - So, you think there is intelligent non-technical life on
Venus? hahaha - You twist logic in so many ways its hard to keep
up. Perhaps I shouldn't even try. Are you the sort of FUD-master you
constantly accuse others of being? hahaha

Brad, humanity developed electricity and an appreciation of Maxwell's
laws regarding electromagnetism before humanity traveled in space. I
honestly cannot imagine a species capable of space travel without the
ability to use electricity and radio and radar. So, if you are
saying, as you once said, that the fantasy people you believe inhabit
Venus have arrived from another star, then you observation here
doesn't make any sense.

So, I stand by Kraus' observations of Venus - no organized signals -
merely lightning from 1950s through the 1970s - save for the odd
Russian and US probe.
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Even if I were a Venusian with a good S-band transceiver, I sure as
hell would never have the thing pointed at Earth, nor otherwise
leaking any RF outside of those extremely thick and dense layers of
clouds.
Obviously your knowledge of radio telescopy is wanting.
Obviously you're unemployed
hahaha - where the hell did that come from Guth? You get so damned
angry when anyone disagrees with any part of your fantasies - its
obvious you've either got a huge mental deficiency or are having us on
for the purpose of deflecting real conversations with your BS, or
discrediting otherwise reasonable people. Are you a FUD-master you
keep decrying? lol.
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and/or unemployable as well as
dysfunctional
LIsten to youself Brad! lol. You're not making any sense at all.
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even with your own stuff, because supposedly you're
smarter than Einstein plus most everyone else combined,
Dude, I never compared myself to anyone. Just because I give my
reason and rationale for my arguments doesn't make me smarter than
anyone - haha - its not up to me to judge me - its up to others -
BASED ON WHAT I'VE SAID.
Post by Brad Guth
though your
scientific obfuscation
Hahaha - you only think an explanation is obfuscation when reality
clearly reveals your fantasies for what they are. lol. Reality is
what reality is Brad. Learn to be happy with what is, that's the only
way you'll find peace.
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and its closed mindset
Science, real science, always challenges reality to prove it wrong.
How is that a closed mindset? You're not making any sense Brad.
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about most everything
else seems to be working like a charm,
Everything is consciously being destroyed by those who own the central
banks of the world. They are doing this because they think there are
too many people in the world. So, they're collapsing the most
productive economies to save the Earth. The bulk of humanity, if they
are to have their way, is to have 200 million of us living subsistence
life style, and fewer than 100,000 of them living as wizards or gods
among the primitives. This before they transition to trans-human
existence. They then imagine that they'll take all the DNA data
they've gathered over the past century from the medical industry
they've controlled, along with the corpus of all internet activity
they've accumulated, and recreate all of us as trans-human entities.
That's their plan Brad. hahaha - and you worried that you might be
crazy for your fantasies! lol. IF you are a FUD-master working for
these assholes Brad, you ARE crazy. If on the other hand you are a
common variety lunatic that gets mad when you fantasies are challenged
- well, you're way more sane than these folks who are needlessly
dooming humanity to death.

I for one would take a far more cautious route.

They should too, there must be something driving this mad dash to
global death.
Post by Brad Guth
and by keeping such a low
profile that perhaps even your own mother doesn't realize how smart,
rich and powerful you are.
My mother died this past year. Interesting that you know that. You
*are* a FUD master aren't you Brad? Go ahead admit it!
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Not bad for someone with zero employees
??? Dude, I personally have nothing. I am the protector of a
foundation that holds my IP and carries out my plans through a variety
of trusts. This is the only way to keep control of things in a mafia
controlled world. Though each of the business entities that are
operating at the behest of this structure - do pay the usual squeeze
to continue to operate. I mean, we're working with a fishing fleet
providing marine fuel, and we are trading fish for fuel. So, we've
started a chain of restaurants in SE Asia to convert fish to cash
without competing with this customer. We're quite successful there
largely because we've hired the right kind of people. But, just like
Chicago, the cops come round and want paid off for protection. haha -
the more they know, the more the price goes up. Then, if you give it
up too easy, they want more. If not more money, more access to run
their women or sell their drugs. You've got to know where to draw the
line. Be respectful you know? Again, hiring the right people and
keeping them motivated and honest, these are the challenges in today's
world. Knowing the local language is important. Having respect and
appreciation for people who work for you is important. Selecting the
right people too. The fish shops look good, and they have a helluva
nice menu.
Post by Brad Guth
and nothing else to show except bogus paperwork that most any
dysfunctional 5th grader could come up with.
hahaha - I can't tell if you're really insanely upset about me not
buying into your fantasies, or whether you're a FUD master like those
you claim to oppose. hahaha... your mind was warped and deformed in
childhood wasn't it?
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Besides being just plain stupid and arrogant as a ZNR, you
I have an opinion different than yours. I gave you my reasons. That
bothers you. It causes you to make horrific judgments of me just to
make you feel better.
That's your problem Guth, not mine.
I'm quite certain that's what GW Bush, Dick Cheney and Hitler each
said to anyone that had a different opinion, just before they had them
demoted or shot.
So? What's that got to do with your insanity? Do you want to shoot
me? haha - ain't gonna happen bozo.
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really do have a number of mental issues that are worse than
borderline narcissistic.
No, you do.
Exactly,
There you go.
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because silly old me, I'm looking for actual logic and
deductive based reasoning that's based upon real physics
No you're not!
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instead of
published eyecandy hype, spin and accepting of mainstream obfuscation
You mean real science.
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that you can't seem to get enough of.
Science is a Greek word meaning knowledge. That's because when done
rightly following the scientific method assures us that we have sure
knowledge. This sort of knowledge is different than opinion or
inferior forms of knowledge. Science is always asking the universe to
prove it wrong. I can't get enough of that sort of thinking. The
world has a great shortage of good science and rational thinking based
on good science.

Science like other good and proper things, like love, faith, charity,
have been abused in the modern psychotronic age and as a result we
have a dearth of real science, real love, true faith, real charity -
and so, we face collapse. The response of the regime in charge is to
conclude that's what they wanted all along! hahaha - as Peter Joseph
asked in one of his Zeitgeist films - Are we fucking stupid? lol.
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Your supposed better knowledge than all of NASA and their contractors
about the raw scale of items on Venus is noted.
??? The scale is on the website where you got the photo dude.
Your the one claiming that radar obtained image of Venus was all out
of scale, not me.
Dude, when you show me a high res picture of something and claim its a
building or highway or something like that and I see from the NASA
website that each pixel is 200 meters across - I just don't buy that a
400 meter wide roadway circles Venus. lol. Something 400 m wide is
natural in my book. If this way of thinking offends you to the point
where you get nasty about it, that's your problem not mine.
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Besides, what the hell does size really have to do
with anything constructed by intelligent other life,
Beyond the fact that any organic system would be immediately blasted
into flame by the torch-like conditions on the surface of Venus,
immediately poisoned by the toxic environment, there's the fact that a
400 m (quarter mile) wide roadway moving among 800 m (half mile) high
towers - if we're to believe your interpretation - makes me think
you're doing the equivalent of seeing faces in clouds. A cloud might
look a lot like my pet dog, that doesn't mean the cloud IS my pet
dog.

dude, do you forget I said that its been so long since that photo you
love so much was taken, and so much has happened to call everything
the government does into question, that it makes sense to go back and
photograph the site you love to look at in higher resolution to see
what's there?

I mean, what are you afraid of? THAT'S SCIENCE! Why can't you get
on board with that?
Post by Brad Guth
as long as the
scale of whatever they construct is simply large enough to suit the
imaging resolution?
How do these fantasy aliens of yours know the resolution we're going
to use to image them? You're not making any sense. Look, I don't
think you've made a good case for aliens on Venus. I want more
evidence. I support the gathering of more evidence. Have OTHER
photos been taken of the same region? WHAT DO THEY LOOK LIKE? That's
all I'm saying.
Post by Brad Guth
Of course you have to know a little something about photographics
Bullshit. If someone shows me a picture of a cloud that looks like
Jesus and claims that it IS Jesus, and I point out it looks like a
cloud to me - it doesn't matter how much they claim it looks like
Jesus - that's not the point - its a cloud. It doesn't matter if they
say I'm not a trained meteorolegist. I don't need to be one to know
what a cloud looks like. It doesn't matter if they attack my faith.
It doesn't enter into it, its a picture of a cloud - end of story.

Same here Brad. You have ONE PICTURE - that looks like aliens to
you. I don't buy it. I give you my reason and ask you can you
provide any more evidence of the same region from later probes. In
response rather than going out and finding better pictures of the same
region - (they exist Brad you just haven't found them) - to prove or
disprove your fantasy - you get mad and call names.

This makes it all your problem.
Post by Brad Guth
and
the well documented as well as peer replicated and accepted methods of
digital image enlargement so that village idiot morons can better see
what I interpreted from the raw 225 m/pixel scale format. (actually
that 225 meter/pixel is a composite derivative of their 75 m/pixel
data, which thereby gives us only 36 confirming radar scans per 225
meter pixel, as opposed to a CCD imager that gives just one scan per
pixel) Gee whiz, I wonder which method of imaging is going to be more
reliable?
Dude, you're making my point. I don't buy it. I can blow up a
digital image of Jennifer Aniston's ass and look at the shadow of the
crack - and see in the pixels the same sort of structures you do. It
doesn't mean that tiny little aliens are building cities in Jennifer
Aniston's ass. Same here. (Sorry Jenny - don't send Justin after me!)
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Gee whiz, why haven't
you been working for NASA or any other DoD, MI6/CIA/NSA intelligence
agency?
Because I'm self-employed.
Your being self-employed as the village idiot and/or their brown-nosed
butch seems to fit rather nicely.
I actually have zero income and no job - hence no taxes and no
reporting requirements personally.
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If those SAR obtained pixels are not worth an average of 225 meters,
then what the hell is their scale?
??? Sometimes what you say is so weird that its impossible to figure
out how to respond meaningfully to it.
But you claim to know absolutely everything about everything,
No I don't Brad. I give my reasoning. A rational reason. Perhaps
you should look it up.
Post by Brad Guth
so
what's your problem with this 1:1 imaging scale of 225 m/pixel, or
can't you count pixels?
I've given you my detailed analysis above! Show me another picture of
the same region at higher resolution that shows what you claim in more
detail. Do it. Those pictures exist. They will reveal that all you
say is merely fantasy. Sorry.
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Are you actually suggesting that our NASA never knew anything about
your superior expertise in everything?
??? Ditto.
Double ditto right back at you.
Well, there you go. I'm glad to see you agree.
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Should I send them a really good mugshot of yourself for their files?
http://www.edconrad.com/pics/TightFit.jpg
??? haha - you do realize you have serious problems if you can't
accept that people will differ sometimes with some things you
believe.
In other words, Mook is just another ruse to cover government butts.
At least that's good to know.
The government doesn't care about what you see in that one picture
dude. CENTCOM may even pay you for filling newsgroups like this one
with your fantasies to marginalize these newsgroups in the minds of
serious researchers.
Post by Brad Guth
And now you're going to tell us what parts of our dysfunctional
government are prepared as oligarchs and Zionist Nazis to do most of
us and perhaps 95% of everyone else in.
The oligarchs I have spoken with and spent time with are largely mad.
They're going to kill everyone and reincarnate them as trans-human
machines. There is a period of time when 300 million will survive as
subsistence levels to get some details they feel they've so far missed
- (the UFOs that kidnap people and carry out weird psycho-sexual tests
on them - were actually nuclear powered Coanda effect aircraft manned
by cyborgs hatched in underground military bases carrying out
operations to collect data needed by an early AI tasked with creating
a design for a trans-human machine) while they convert themselves to
the first trans-human machines. The trans-human oligarchs will then
leave the Earth while they leave their machines to re-create everyone
as trans-human machines using the AI they've got running in Brussels
and the medical database they've accumulated. They will then develop
the means to re-create ALL human beings who have ever lived as trans-
human machines shortly after that - once they've established a method
to maintain control in the larger realm of interplanetary and
interstellar space.

That's their plan.

They're mad.

But they're in charge.

http://youtu.be/acLW1vFO-2Q

What are you going to do about it?
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Gee whiz, let us all follow
William Mook,
Lets not. Its time people grew up and took charge of their lives
before its too late.
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except wearing blindfolds and heavy earmuffs so that no
other deductive logic infiltrates the indoctrination and overlord all-
knowing policy of Mook.
Dude, I'm in a free country where I can do what I like. I answered a
question you asked. You're mad because I disagreed with your
fantasies. Now you're ranting with no reference at all to reality.
That's your problem not mine.
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Yes in deed, our government has way too much authority
Its not the amount of authority it is the violation of trust and faith
we place in government.
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and perhaps not
1% of the brains
Academia has been controlled since at least 1895 by the oligarchs.
Edward Bernays has turned public relations and advertising into a
public liability from a public service. Public education was reduced
to public indoctrination since the 1930s. So, its not surprising that
anyone who can think for themselves using valid data can outperform a
roomful of experts indoctrinated in such a society.
Post by Brad Guth
to properly utilize it, and still you sit tight with
all of your clean and dirt cheap energy technology that would set us
all free,
Well, to pay the bills I need the prices I quoted elsewhere. So, if
you want to buy energy or a home in a solar powered community - let me
know. I'll put you in touch with the company that's selling it.
Post by Brad Guth
that only you know how to empower us with. I guess that's
why there's still not a published textbook word of anything of your
special Mokenergy
So? What english textbook mentions Hon Hai Precision Industry Co.,
Ltd. (Chinese: 鴻海精密工業股份有限公司)? Where are the foundations that own the
Federal Reserve mentioned anywhere?
Post by Brad Guth
or that of your NWO/OWG that requires no
enforcements of regulations nor taxation or any global police force
As a private individual I have no power to tax or police anyone. The
only thing a private company our trust or foundation can do is enter
commercial relationship with another under the terms of a contract
that provides mutual consideration.
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whatsoever, because everyone is going to become extremely wealthy and
behave themselves,
Yes, people generally like to do good and if they're getting ahead,
are happy to do so.
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as well as none of those bad-guys
Most bad guys are a fiction - just like the aliens you imagine inhabit
Venus.
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as the robber
baron oligarchs and Rothschilds from the past are ever again going to
cause us any grief,
They're in the process of self-destructing.
Post by Brad Guth
in fact all 7000 of them are going to beg for
mercy as they give us back the trillions taken thus far, and then
some, without a fight.
Dude, they have money because the PRINT IT! haha - they don't need to
take money from us. THEY PRINT IT! You haven't got that yet. MONEY
IS A MEANS OF CONTROL! They're sovereign. They don't chase after
money like the animals do. That's the way its set up.

The only answer I can see is that using money, I'll go beyond money to
something better. Giving everyone the means to print their own money
as they need it - in ways that send useful signals through the
economy.

http://vimeo.com/29419399
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2011-12-22 21:01:33 UTC
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Something either intelligent or oddly simulating a level of complex
intelligence formed geometric items of considerable size, volume and
of rational infrastructure on Venus, a planet that's mostly geothermal
heated and rotating at least ten fold slower than it should, with a
thin crust (roughly half that of Earth) that's perhaps only 300
million years old, and otherwise easily accessible to even a group of
dysfunctional 5th graders.

Besides those perfectly natural reservoir functions, what the hell
(literally scorching hot as hell) is that extremely large clover
shaped reservoir doing there? (I mean, it's really big and kind of
obvious, and then what about that other somewhat smaller one that's
seemingly connected and clearly containing something fluid, not to
mention more than a few other extremely odd geometric considerations
that look as though quite artificial, almost as though some level of
intelligence had created them).

It's unlikely such a complex and active planet such as Venus wouldn't
have its fair share of surface fluids, or at least geothermal boosted/
extruded muds or dense mineral and/or acidic brines to contend with,
as well as certain hydrocarbons shouldn't be technically impossible
(as long as its specific gravity at the given pressure and temperature
suits) once we reconsider what hydrocarbons the Saturn moon Titan has
to work with.

Even as offering a fairly conservative reservoir interpretation, it
seems rather enormous but otherwise kind of perfectly natural,
including that other somewhat conventional reservoir above it that's
containing something fluid and even seems connected. However, as far
as anyone knows, there's not one other terrestrial example or that
obtained from any other planet or moon as offering anything nearly as
geologically mountainous terrain and erosion complex plus looking
downright impressive, so what the hell gives?

At this point of my ongoing observationology (11+ years of deductive
image interpreting), I'm still favoring that such a truly large clover
shaped reservoir represents a mostly natural though extremely large
formation, and just because something like this complex shaped
reservoir is truly big doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, and just
because the exact same digital image resampling process was applied
equally to each and every other available pixel which didn't manage to
convert any of those other surrounding raw pixels into artificial
looking items, doesn't mean that the few items it did manage to
interpret as geometrical and as otherwise potentially created as
intelligently symmetrical, are not actually there to behold, because
nature really isn't very good at creating highly symmetrical and/or
complex looking geometries, and especially whenever a perfectly
logical community like infrastructure is also involved. So, perhaps
the laws of physics, and geology tend to function differently when
given such an unusually dynamic environment to work with.

As of many years ago, I've already said that this could be from some
past mining efforts or some remainders of the once upon a time
intelligent other life, that may have never realized a cool and wet
planet like Earth was so nearby.

Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
"Guth Venus", at 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://translate.google.com/#
Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / "Guth Usenet"
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The only thing I note about the images of Venus you keep talking about
is that the scale is all wrong. Also, last time Dr. Kraus observed
Venus with 'Big Ear' it was dead silent. Other than the occasional
lightning strike there wasn't anything going on there. So, that sort
of deflates the idea something as advanced as radio or radar is being
used on the planet.
Electrical storms, sure. Since 1956 - Kraus observed the planet
looking for narrow whatever signals the planet produced.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v178/n4535/abs/178687a0.html
Nada. Nothing. Zero. Goose Egg.
What the Fu*k does radio or microwaves have to do with intelligent
other life on Venus?
Because intelligent beings use electricity and electrical signaling.
Obviously you don't seem to appreciate even the human history of
Earth, in that 99.9999% of known human history never knew anything
about the use of "electricity and electrical signaling" other than
getting a static shock, not to mention that 99.9999% of complex life
on Earth that's highly survival intelligent still doesn't know squat
about using "electricity and electrical signaling". At least you only
think and act exactly like a Zionist Nazi, but you obviously have a
better name for it.
hahaha - So, you think there is intelligent non-technical life on
Venus? hahaha - You twist logic in so many ways its hard to keep
up. Perhaps I shouldn't even try. Are you the sort of FUD-master you
constantly accuse others of being? hahaha
Brad, humanity developed electricity and an appreciation of Maxwell's
laws regarding electromagnetism before humanity traveled in space. I
honestly cannot imagine a species capable of space travel without the
ability to use electricity and radio and radar. So, if you are
saying, as you once said, that the fantasy people you believe inhabit
Venus have arrived from another star, then you observation here
doesn't make any sense.
So, I stand by Kraus' observations of Venus - no organized signals -
merely lightning from 1950s through the 1970s - save for the odd
Russian and US probe.
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Even if I were a Venusian with a good S-band transceiver, I sure as
hell would never have the thing pointed at Earth, nor otherwise
leaking any RF outside of those extremely thick and dense layers of
clouds.
Obviously your knowledge of radio telescopy is wanting.
Obviously you're unemployed
hahaha - where the hell did that come from Guth? You get so damned
angry when anyone disagrees with any part of your fantasies - its
obvious you've either got a huge mental deficiency or are having us on
for the purpose of deflecting real conversations with your BS, or
discrediting otherwise reasonable people. Are you a FUD-master you
keep decrying? lol.
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and/or unemployable as well as
dysfunctional
LIsten to youself Brad! lol. You're not making any sense at all.
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even with your own stuff, because supposedly you're
smarter than Einstein plus most everyone else combined,
Dude, I never compared myself to anyone. Just because I give my
reason and rationale for my arguments doesn't make me smarter than
anyone - haha - its not up to me to judge me - its up to others -
BASED ON WHAT I'VE SAID.
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though your
scientific obfuscation
Hahaha - you only think an explanation is obfuscation when reality
clearly reveals your fantasies for what they are. lol. Reality is
what reality is Brad. Learn to be happy with what is, that's the only
way you'll find peace.
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and its closed mindset
Science, real science, always challenges reality to prove it wrong.
How is that a closed mindset? You're not making any sense Brad.
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about most everything
else seems to be working like a charm,
Everything is consciously being destroyed by those who own the central
banks of the world. They are doing this because they think there are
too many people in the world. So, they're collapsing the most
productive economies to save the Earth. The bulk of humanity, if they
are to have their way, is to have 200 million of us living subsistence
life style, and fewer than 100,000 of them living as wizards or gods
among the primitives. This before they transition to trans-human
existence. They then imagine that they'll take all the DNA data
they've gathered over the past century from the medical industry
they've controlled, along with the corpus of all internet activity
they've accumulated, and recreate all of us as trans-human entities.
That's their plan Brad. hahaha - and you worried that you might be
crazy for your fantasies! lol. IF you are a FUD-master working for
these assholes Brad, you ARE crazy. If on the other hand you are a
common variety lunatic that gets mad when you fantasies are challenged
- well, you're way more sane than these folks who are needlessly
dooming humanity to death.
I for one would take a far more cautious route.
They should too, there must be something driving this mad dash to
global death.
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and by keeping such a low
profile that perhaps even your own mother doesn't realize how smart,
rich and powerful you are.
My mother died this past year. Interesting that you know that. You
*are* a FUD master aren't you Brad? Go ahead admit it!
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Not bad for someone with zero employees
??? Dude, I personally have nothing. I am the protector of a
foundation that holds my IP and carries out my plans through a variety
of trusts. This is the only way to keep control of things in a mafia
controlled world. Though each of the business entities that are
operating at the behest of this structure - do pay the usual squeeze
to continue to operate. I mean, we're working with a fishing fleet
providing marine fuel, and we are trading fish for fuel. So, we've
started a chain of restaurants in SE Asia to convert fish to cash
without competing with this customer. We're quite successful there
largely because we've hired the right kind of people. But, just like
Chicago, the cops come round and want paid off for protection. haha -
the more they know, the more the price goes up. Then, if you give it
up too easy, they want more. If not more money, more access to run
their women or sell their drugs. You've got to know where to draw the
line. Be respectful you know? Again, hiring the right people and
keeping them motivated and honest, these are the challenges in today's
world. Knowing the local language is important. Having respect and
appreciation for people who work for you is important. Selecting the
right people too. The fish shops look good, and they have a helluva
nice menu.
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and nothing else to show except bogus paperwork that most any
dysfunctional 5th grader could come up with.
hahaha - I can't tell if you're really insanely upset about me not
buying into your fantasies, or whether you're a FUD master like those
you claim to oppose. hahaha... your mind was warped and deformed in
childhood wasn't it?
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Besides being just plain stupid and arrogant as a ZNR, you
I have an opinion different than yours. I gave you my reasons. That
bothers you. It causes you to make horrific judgments of me just to
make you feel better.
That's your problem Guth, not mine.
I'm quite certain that's what GW Bush, Dick Cheney and Hitler each
said to anyone that had a different opinion, just before they had them
demoted or shot.
So? What's that got to do with your insanity? Do you want to shoot
me? haha - ain't gonna happen bozo.
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really do have a number of mental issues that are worse than
borderline narcissistic.
No, you do.
Exactly,
There you go.
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because silly old me, I'm looking for actual logic and
deductive based reasoning that's based upon real physics
No you're not!
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instead of
published eyecandy hype, spin and accepting of mainstream obfuscation
You mean real science.
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that you can't seem to get enough of.
Science is a Greek word meaning knowledge. That's because when done
rightly following the scientific method assures us that we have sure
knowledge. This sort of knowledge is different than opinion or
inferior forms of knowledge. Science is always asking the universe to
prove it wrong. I can't get enough of that sort of thinking. The
world has a great shortage of good science and rational thinking based
on good science.
Science like other good and proper things, like love, faith, charity,
have been abused in the modern psychotronic age and as a result we
have a dearth of real science, real love, true faith, real charity -
and so, we face collapse. The response of the regime in charge is to
conclude that's what they wanted all along! hahaha - as Peter Joseph
asked in one of his Zeitgeist films - Are we fucking stupid? lol.
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Your supposed better knowledge than all of NASA and their contractors
about the raw scale of items on Venus is noted.
??? The scale is on the website where you got the photo dude.
Your the one claiming that radar obtained image of Venus was all out
of scale, not me.
Dude, when you show me a high res picture of something and claim its a
building or highway or something like that and I see from the NASA
website that each pixel is 200 meters across - I just don't buy that a
400 meter wide roadway circles Venus. lol. Something 400 m wide is
natural in my book. If this way of thinking offends you to the point
where you get nasty about it, that's your problem not mine.
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Besides, what the hell does size really have to do
with anything constructed by intelligent other life,
Beyond the fact that any organic system would be immediately blasted
into flame by the torch-like conditions on the surface of Venus,
immediately poisoned by the toxic environment, there's the fact that a
400 m (quarter mile) wide roadway moving among 800 m (half mile) high
towers - if we're to believe your interpretation - makes me think
you're doing the equivalent of seeing faces in clouds. A cloud might
look a lot like my pet dog, that doesn't mean the cloud IS my pet
dog.
dude, do you forget I said that its been so long since that photo you
love so much was taken, and so much has happened to call everything
the government does into question, that it makes sense to go back and
photograph the site you love to look at in higher resolution to see
what's there?
I mean, what are you afraid of? THAT'S SCIENCE! Why can't you get
on board with that?
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as long as the
scale of whatever they construct is simply large enough to suit the
imaging resolution?
How do these fantasy aliens of yours know the resolution we're going
to use to image them? You're not making any sense. Look, I don't
think you've made a good case for aliens on Venus. I want more
evidence. I support the gathering of more evidence. Have OTHER
photos been taken of the same region? WHAT DO THEY LOOK LIKE? That's
all I'm saying.
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Of course you have to know a little something about photographics
Bullshit. If someone shows me a picture of a cloud that looks like
Jesus and claims that it IS Jesus, and I point out it looks like a
cloud to me - it doesn't matter how much they claim it looks like
Jesus - that's not the point - its a cloud. It doesn't matter if they
say I'm not a trained meteorolegist. I don't need to be one to know
what a cloud looks like. It doesn't matter if they attack my faith.
It doesn't enter into it, its a picture of a cloud - end of story.
Same here Brad. You have ONE PICTURE - that looks like aliens to
you. I don't buy it. I give you my reason and ask you can you
provide any more evidence of the same region from later probes. In
response rather than going out and finding better pictures of the same
region - (they exist Brad you just haven't found them) - to prove or
disprove your fantasy - you get mad and call names.
This makes it all your problem.
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and
the well documented as well as peer replicated and accepted methods of
digital image enlargement so that village idiot morons can better see
what I interpreted from the raw 225 m/pixel scale format. (actually
that 225 meter/pixel is a composite derivative of their 75 m/pixel
data, which thereby gives us only 36 confirming radar scans per 225
meter pixel, as opposed to a CCD imager that gives just one scan per
pixel) Gee whiz, I wonder which method of imaging is going to be more
reliable?
Dude, you're making my point. I don't buy it. I can blow up a
digital image of Jennifer Aniston's ass and look at the shadow of the
crack - and see in the pixels the same sort of structures you do. It
doesn't mean that tiny little aliens are building cities in Jennifer
Aniston's ass. Same here. (Sorry Jenny - don't send Justin after me!)
Sadly, her ass is about as good of image interpreting as William Mook
has ever demonstrated. Too bad her ass doesn't have complex looking
reservoirs, an airstrip, a terrific bridge and multiple other large
scale items plus infrastructure worth looking at.
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Gee whiz, why haven't
you been working for NASA or any other DoD, MI6/CIA/NSA intelligence
agency?
Because I'm self-employed.
Your being self-employed as the village idiot and/or their brown-nosed
butch seems to fit rather nicely.
I actually have zero income and no job - hence no taxes and no
reporting requirements personally.
Sounds perfectly Rothschild.
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If those SAR obtained pixels are not worth an average of 225 meters,
then what the hell is their scale?
??? Sometimes what you say is so weird that its impossible to figure
out how to respond meaningfully to it.
But you claim to know absolutely everything about everything,
No I don't Brad. I give my reasoning. A rational reason. Perhaps
you should look it up.
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so
what's your problem with this 1:1 imaging scale of 225 m/pixel, or
can't you count pixels?
I've given you my detailed analysis above! Show me another picture of
the same region at higher resolution that shows what you claim in more
detail. Do it. Those pictures exist. They will reveal that all you
say is merely fantasy. Sorry.
The raw 75 meter/pixel that's made into the GIF composite of 225 m/
pixel is simply more than good enough as is, as long as whatever we
interpret is physically larger than either of those resolutions.
Having 1 m/pixel resolution would naturally be terrific, however it
will not change the essential information about those much larger than
225 m/pixel resolution items. So, why bother looking for smaller
items when sufficiently large and oddly complex geometric items
clearly exist?
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Are you actually suggesting that our NASA never knew anything about
your superior expertise in everything?
??? Ditto.
Double ditto right back at you.
Well, there you go. I'm glad to see you agree.
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Should I send them a really good mugshot of yourself for their files?
http://www.edconrad.com/pics/TightFit.jpg
??? haha - you do realize you have serious problems if you can't
accept that people will differ sometimes with some things you
believe.
In other words, Mook is just another ruse to cover government butts.
At least that's good to know.
The government doesn't care about what you see in that one picture
dude. CENTCOM may even pay you for filling newsgroups like this one
with your fantasies to marginalize these newsgroups in the minds of
serious researchers.
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And now you're going to tell us what parts of our dysfunctional
government are prepared as oligarchs and Zionist Nazis to do most of
us and perhaps 95% of everyone else in.
The oligarchs I have spoken with and spent time with are largely mad.
They're going to kill everyone and reincarnate them as trans-human
machines. There is a period of time when 300 million will survive as
subsistence levels to get some details they feel they've so far missed
- (the UFOs that kidnap people and carry out weird psycho-sexual tests
on them - were actually nuclear powered Coanda effect aircraft manned
by cyborgs hatched in underground military bases carrying out
operations to collect data needed by an early AI tasked with creating
a design for a trans-human machine) while they convert themselves to
the first trans-human machines. The trans-human oligarchs will then
leave the Earth while they leave their machines to re-create everyone
as trans-human machines using the AI they've got running in Brussels
and the medical database they've accumulated. They will then develop
the means to re-create ALL human beings who have ever lived as trans-
human machines shortly after that - once they've established a method
to maintain control in the larger realm of interplanetary and
interstellar space.
That's their plan.
They're mad.
But they're in charge.
http://youtu.be/acLW1vFO-2Q
What are you going to do about it?
According to you, I'm not 0.1% as smart as yourself, so obviously
anything I could possibly think of isn't going to work, and we already
know that you intend to do nothing positive or constructive, so they
have nothing to fear from either of us.
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Gee whiz, let us all follow
William Mook,
Lets not. Its time people grew up and took charge of their lives
before its too late.
I thought it was too late as of WW2, although before then were
multiple examples that should have been exposed and textbook
documented so that at least the same insidious bastards and their next
perverted generation couldn't do it over and over to us. Obviously
you don't honestly give any sh*t about the past or even fret over
current events, because you only focus upon the future that's almost
entirely controlled by those of the past.
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except wearing blindfolds and heavy earmuffs so that no
other deductive logic infiltrates the indoctrination and overlord all-
knowing policy of Mook.
Dude, I'm in a free country where I can do what I like. I answered a
question you asked. You're mad because I disagreed with your
fantasies. Now you're ranting with no reference at all to reality.
That's your problem not mine.
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Yes in deed, our government has way too much authority
Its not the amount of authority it is the violation of trust and faith
we place in government.
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and perhaps not
1% of the brains
Academia has been controlled since at least 1895 by the oligarchs.
Edward Bernays has turned public relations and advertising into a
public liability from a public service. Public education was reduced
to public indoctrination since the 1930s. So, its not surprising that
anyone who can think for themselves using valid data can outperform a
roomful of experts indoctrinated in such a society.
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to properly utilize it, and still you sit tight with
all of your clean and dirt cheap energy technology that would set us
all free,
Well, to pay the bills I need the prices I quoted elsewhere. So, if
you want to buy energy or a home in a solar powered community - let me
know. I'll put you in touch with the company that's selling it.
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that only you know how to empower us with. I guess that's
why there's still not a published textbook word of anything of your
special Mokenergy
So? What english textbook mentions Hon Hai Precision Industry Co.,
Ltd. (Chinese: 鴻海精密工業股份有限公司)? Where are the foundations that own the
Federal Reserve mentioned anywhere?
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or that of your NWO/OWG that requires no
enforcements of regulations nor taxation or any global police force
As a private individual I have no power to tax or police anyone. The
only thing a private company our trust or foundation can do is enter
commercial relationship with another under the terms of a contract
that provides mutual consideration.
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whatsoever, because everyone is going to become extremely wealthy and
behave themselves,
Yes, people generally like to do good and if they're getting ahead,
are happy to do so.
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as well as none of those bad-guys
Most bad guys are a fiction - just like the aliens you imagine inhabit
Venus.
You actually think there's not at least 7000 truly bad-guys in this
whole world? and you think none of them are affiliated within any
mainstream religion? You really think Mafias and faith-based cabals
are that stupid?
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as the robber
baron oligarchs and Rothschilds from the past are ever again going to
cause us any grief,
They're in the process of self-destructing.
Not hardly without taking as many of us as possible along for the
ride.
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in fact all 7000 of them are going to beg for
mercy as they give us back the trillions taken thus far, and then
some, without a fight.
Dude, they have money because the PRINT IT! haha - they don't need to
take money from us. THEY PRINT IT! You haven't got that yet. MONEY
IS A MEANS OF CONTROL! They're sovereign. They don't chase after
money like the animals do. That's the way its set up.
The only answer I can see is that using money, I'll go beyond money to
something better. Giving everyone the means to print their own money
as they need it - in ways that send useful signals through the
economy.
http://vimeo.com/29419399
That sort of on-demand printing of money by those Mafia oligarchs and
Rothschilds comes directly out of our pockets, because it directly
inflates the cost of everything, as well as it corrupts most
everything it touches or influences (such as keeping William Mook and
your Mokenergy perpetually grounded via their own version of keeping
the likes of yourself on their NO FLY list). The fact that you don't
want to risk doing anything to change or revise that tradition, is
what kinda proves which side you're really on.

Just because you're colorblind and otherwise snookered and dumbfounded
yourself past the mainstream status-quo point of no return, is no
reason for others to not have a look-see, especially when your
observationology expertise is absolutely zilch to begin with.

Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
"Guth Venus", at 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://translate.google.com/#
Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / "Guth Usenet"
William Mook
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Nature creates patterns that to you look like large buildings.

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It even moves things around in weird ways

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So, I don't buy your interpretation Brad. Not without more convincing
proof.

Look at this - here the graininess of the film combines with the
random folding of a curtain to produce what looks like a face

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Here's a cloud that looks like a face

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Here's another face on Mars

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Far better than the first one!

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Which looked pretty compelling when you increase the graininess a
little and change the angle of illumination;

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Are these really faces?

Obviously not. They're not faces any more than the cracks in the mud
are buildings or the lanes leading to the rocks are roads.

So, get better resolution far better than the one photo you keep
trotting out, and show us you've really got repeatable proof, or stay
quiet on the subject until you do. At least stop attacking people for
having a rational opinion on the subject.
Brad Guth
2011-12-21 19:05:45 UTC
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Yes indeed, your cheap fusion energy goes right along with your
science fiction as based upon real physics that should work, is
noted.
The Jetter Cycle operates at room temperature.
http://pesn.com/2011/10/28/9501940_1_MW_E-Cat_Test_Successful/
So, its not science fiction.
As long as yourself and none others can deliver, it's science fiction,
Wait a minute, a cold fusion generator was delivered last month.
http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/2nd-commercial-cold-fus...
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though based upon good physics still doesn't count if you can't
deliver (at least there's still no public record of any Mokenergy
actually delivered).
So?  If you'd care to buy some energy from me do so.  You will have to
abide by the conditions of sale however.
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Meanwhile, we still need your cheap hydrogen plus anything
else that comes along with the package deal of Mokenergy and the
wizard of Oz that you claim to be.
I believe I gave you a quotation for hydrogen at $80 per ton.
All you must do is agree to buy a minimum of 353,092 tons for a
minimum of  $10,592,760.  You can arrange delivery for as long as 30
years.  All that's required is you show you're credit worthy and sign
an agreement.  For a company with a decent credit rating monthly
payments are $64,129.38 - for deliveries of 367,800 kg per month.
($0.174 per kg)
And apparently I'd be the one and only first client of Mokenergy.
You wouldn't be.
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Actually, if I were in charge of our dysfunctional DoE,
I will not work with any US agency for any reason.
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I’d gladly
sign that contract and advance all necessary funds, except I’d go for
at least ten fold more to begin with (3.678e6 kg/month) because
$641,294/month is hardly a drop in the national energy bucket.
Correct.
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Do you see where I’m going with this?
No.
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BTW;  The albedo of that moon on average is nearly as dark as coal,
The dark areas of the moon reflect 10% of incident light.  Bright
ejecta reflect as much as 30%.  The average reflectivity is 12%
Actually the average surface albedo considering the illumination angle
of +/- 90 degrees (as viewed from Earth or LEO) is closer to 7%.
Correct.   Yet, on the surface of the moon its higher.
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According to Pearson - reflectances range from 0.5% to 1.7% for coking
coals, while coals generally can range as high as 8%.
As I've said many times before, our physically dark moon is nearly as
dark as coal.
Some coals sure.  But generally speaking the moon is far brighter than
coal.  Just hold a lump of coal on a night when there's a full moon -
and hold it up and look at it.
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Now, soil moisture content has been correlated with reflectance models
and raw soil on Earth ranges from 2.9% to to 11.8% - depending on
moisture content.  Bodies of water on Earth have reflectances in the
6% to 8% range.
Newly paved asphalt roads have a reflectivity of 4% and old worn
asphalt roads have a reflectivity of 8%
So, imagine standing on a sunny day on a road.  To the north, its
freshly paved, and its dark.  To the south, old and worn, its fairly
bright.  To the east is a coal field with very dark coking coal piled
high - its only 1.7% reflective - darker even than the new asphalt.
To the west, a freshly turned field after yesterday's rain.  Its 3%
reflective.  Twice a bright as the coking coal.  And a lake between
the road and the field, 6% reflective brighter yet again, but darker
than the road.  Next to it are evergreen trees, they're 5%
reflective.  And in the bright blue sky is a full moon on the horizon
- which looks white even in the day.
    Coking coal:  1.7%
   Plowed field:   3.0%
   New asphalt:  4.0%
   Trees:             5.0%
              Lake:   6.0%
 Worn asphalt:  8.0%
            Moon:  12%
So, you can see that you are just wrong Brad when you insist on saying
the moon is as dark as a lump of coal.  Its not!  Its brighter than
most things we see in this picture,
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GbhLmlUCIRI/TppDKPBphWI/AAAAAAAAB7A/h1aTpxS...
All of which is brighter than a lump of coal.  Just ask this guy
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ifRR12H2VZY/TYvpB7mC_LI/AAAAAAAACaw/SlUVCQ-...
I've never once mention the unusually dark version of any highly
pulverized and washed or water sprayed coking coals,
All I'm saying Brad is that when you say the Moon is darker than coal,
you're saying something that is highly misleading.
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but then you
obviously need to protect your NASA mafia
No I don't.
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because without their
support you've got less than nothing to work with,
That's not true either.
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not that our NASA
or any other agency has ever given you squat worth of support
Correct.
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and much
less any mention in their archives of documentation.
Um..  well, I was present during the launch of the first Atlas 552.  I
gave a talk to scientists at the Marshall Spaceflight Center when I
applied for DOT license for Orbatek back in the 1990s.  I advised EOP
OST in 1995 for the Clinton Administration when they passed the Space
Policy Act of that year.  I worked with DOE and DOD developing a
commercial plan for the use of the NEBA III reactor and the use of the
stored nuclear materials at Jackass Flats NV.
I advised EOP OST again in 2004 for the Bush Administration when the
Saudi's went off their $22 per barrel price cap and Bush was looking
for an alternative to paying that price.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24911642/Report-to-OSTP-EOP-Dec-2004
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How about, is
their even one mention of William Mook or Mokenergy in any K12
textbook (outside of schizophrenic bipolar psychosis disorders to
watch out for)?
There are so many things wrong with what you're saying that its hard
to figure how to respond to it.
[snip] pointless rants about Apollo not going to the moon.
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Are you saying that our NASA has only recently become corrupted and
dishonest?
No, they were formed 11 years after the signing of the 1947 National
Security Act.  The rocket scientists brought over from Germany were a
cover to hide the fact we imported all the mind control scientists and
used them to create an army of sex slaves for the CIA so they could
corrupt our nation, our industry, and our people to benefit the
British Empire.
With as many easily snookered and dumbfounded K12s (that obviously
includes the likes of yourself); why on Earth would any sort of
ulterior motivated mind control even be necessary?
Do you really think our K12+ educated are even 1% as smart as
yourself? (if so they seem to be really good at keeping themselves
hidden)
Smart has nothing to do with it.
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In which year did we lose control and our faith in all things DARPA
and NASA?
I awoke this year.  Although, its clear we did go to the moon.
I've never stipulated that some of our Apollo stuff (w/o crew) didn't
make it to the surface.
What is it about our having absolutely zilch worth of purely fly-by-
rocket lander technology of that era, that don't you still can't
understand?
Just because you don't understand astrodynamics doesn't mean it didn't
happen Brad.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/nasa58040.pdf
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The Apollo trips are secondary to the role NASA played and continues
to play in maintaining a population of mind controlled child sex slaves
for the CIA to corrupt and control the world's politics and industry.
And yet somehow you honestly think this logic of insidious Catholic
Nazi derived "mind control" somehow plays perfectly well with the
technological expertise and other necessary talents for safely getting
us to/from our physically dark moon, as of 4+ decades ago?
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Your usual excuses and/or evasion as to why there's still no public
records of anything Mokenergy related as to delivered energy or even
delivered solar farming is kind of mainstream status quo. Without
your 17.4 cent/kg hydrogen, means that pretty much nothing else you
promote is capable of working.

Your ruse of even cheaper and cleaner fusion energy is pretty much the
same old story, although what you've researched as to those
controlling our government and the government itself being corrupted
and/or mafia like, is probably more than half true.

A 0.1% corrupted government is actually very bad, especially when that
0.1% represents the upper most authority that's usually in charge of
policing their own kind.

Obviously you don't like to use the term "treason", even though what
these upper caste individuals have been doing to us is treasonous.

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William Mook
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Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Yes indeed, your cheap fusion energy goes right along with your
science fiction as based upon real physics that should work, is
noted.
The Jetter Cycle operates at room temperature.
http://pesn.com/2011/10/28/9501940_1_MW_E-Cat_Test_Successful/
So, its not science fiction.
As long as yourself and none others can deliver, it's science fiction,
Wait a minute, a cold fusion generator was delivered last month.
http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/2nd-commercial-cold-fus...
Post by Brad Guth
though based upon good physics still doesn't count if you can't
deliver (at least there's still no public record of any Mokenergy
actually delivered).
So?  If you'd care to buy some energy from me do so.  You will have to
abide by the conditions of sale however.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Meanwhile, we still need your cheap hydrogen plus anything
else that comes along with the package deal of Mokenergy and the
wizard of Oz that you claim to be.
I believe I gave you a quotation for hydrogen at $80 per ton.
All you must do is agree to buy a minimum of 353,092 tons for a
minimum of  $10,592,760.  You can arrange delivery for as long as 30
years.  All that's required is you show you're credit worthy and sign
an agreement.  For a company with a decent credit rating monthly
payments are $64,129.38 - for deliveries of 367,800 kg per month.
($0.174 per kg)
And apparently I'd be the one and only first client of Mokenergy.
You wouldn't be.
Post by Brad Guth
Actually, if I were in charge of our dysfunctional DoE,
I will not work with any US agency for any reason.
Post by Brad Guth
I’d gladly
sign that contract and advance all necessary funds, except I’d go for
at least ten fold more to begin with (3.678e6 kg/month) because
$641,294/month is hardly a drop in the national energy bucket.
Correct.
Post by Brad Guth
Do you see where I’m going with this?
No.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
BTW;  The albedo of that moon on average is nearly as dark as coal,
The dark areas of the moon reflect 10% of incident light.  Bright
ejecta reflect as much as 30%.  The average reflectivity is 12%
Actually the average surface albedo considering the illumination angle
of +/- 90 degrees (as viewed from Earth or LEO) is closer to 7%.
Correct.   Yet, on the surface of the moon its higher.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
According to Pearson - reflectances range from 0.5% to 1.7% for coking
coals, while coals generally can range as high as 8%.
As I've said many times before, our physically dark moon is nearly as
dark as coal.
Some coals sure.  But generally speaking the moon is far brighter than
coal.  Just hold a lump of coal on a night when there's a full moon -
and hold it up and look at it.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Now, soil moisture content has been correlated with reflectance models
and raw soil on Earth ranges from 2.9% to to 11.8% - depending on
moisture content.  Bodies of water on Earth have reflectances in the
6% to 8% range.
Newly paved asphalt roads have a reflectivity of 4% and old worn
asphalt roads have a reflectivity of 8%
So, imagine standing on a sunny day on a road.  To the north, its
freshly paved, and its dark.  To the south, old and worn, its fairly
bright.  To the east is a coal field with very dark coking coal piled
high - its only 1.7% reflective - darker even than the new asphalt.
To the west, a freshly turned field after yesterday's rain.  Its 3%
reflective.  Twice a bright as the coking coal.  And a lake between
the road and the field, 6% reflective brighter yet again, but darker
than the road.  Next to it are evergreen trees, they're 5%
reflective.  And in the bright blue sky is a full moon on the horizon
- which looks white even in the day.
    Coking coal:  1.7%
   Plowed field:   3.0%
   New asphalt:  4.0%
   Trees:             5.0%
              Lake:   6.0%
 Worn asphalt:  8.0%
            Moon:  12%
So, you can see that you are just wrong Brad when you insist on saying
the moon is as dark as a lump of coal.  Its not!  Its brighter than
most things we see in this picture,
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GbhLmlUCIRI/TppDKPBphWI/AAAAAAAAB7A/h1aTpxS...
All of which is brighter than a lump of coal.  Just ask this guy
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ifRR12H2VZY/TYvpB7mC_LI/AAAAAAAACaw/SlUVCQ-...
I've never once mention the unusually dark version of any highly
pulverized and washed or water sprayed coking coals,
All I'm saying Brad is that when you say the Moon is darker than coal,
you're saying something that is highly misleading.
Post by Brad Guth
but then you
obviously need to protect your NASA mafia
No I don't.
Post by Brad Guth
because without their
support you've got less than nothing to work with,
That's not true either.
Post by Brad Guth
not that our NASA
or any other agency has ever given you squat worth of support
Correct.
Post by Brad Guth
and much
less any mention in their archives of documentation.
Um..  well, I was present during the launch of the first Atlas 552.  I
gave a talk to scientists at the Marshall Spaceflight Center when I
applied for DOT license for Orbatek back in the 1990s.  I advised EOP
OST in 1995 for the Clinton Administration when they passed the Space
Policy Act of that year.  I worked with DOE and DOD developing a
commercial plan for the use of the NEBA III reactor and the use of the
stored nuclear materials at Jackass Flats NV.
I advised EOP OST again in 2004 for the Bush Administration when the
Saudi's went off their $22 per barrel price cap and Bush was looking
for an alternative to paying that price.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24911642/Report-to-OSTP-EOP-Dec-2004
Post by Brad Guth
How about, is
their even one mention of WilliamMookor Mokenergy in any K12
textbook (outside of schizophrenic bipolar psychosis disorders to
watch out for)?
There are so many things wrong with what you're saying that its hard
to figure how to respond to it.
[snip] pointless rants about Apollo not going to the moon.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Are you saying that our NASA has only recently become corrupted and
dishonest?
No, they were formed 11 years after the signing of the 1947 National
Security Act.  The rocket scientists brought over from Germany were a
cover to hide the fact we imported all the mind control scientists and
used them to create an army of sex slaves for the CIA so they could
corrupt our nation, our industry, and our people to benefit the
British Empire.
With as many easily snookered and dumbfounded K12s (that obviously
includes the likes of yourself); why on Earth would any sort of
ulterior motivated mind control even be necessary?
Do you really think our K12+ educated are even 1% as smart as
yourself? (if so they seem to be really good at keeping themselves
hidden)
Smart has nothing to do with it.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
In which year did we lose control and our faith in all things DARPA
and NASA?
I awoke this year.  Although, its clear we did go to the moon.
I've never stipulated that some of our Apollo stuff (w/o crew) didn't
make it to the surface.
What is it about our having absolutely zilch worth of purely fly-by-
rocket lander technology of that era, that don't you still can't
understand?
Just because you don't understand astrodynamics doesn't mean it didn't
happen Brad.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/nasa58040.pdf
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
The Apollo trips are secondary to the role NASA played and continues
to play in maintaining a population of mind controlled child sex slaves
for the CIA to corrupt and control the world's politics and industry.
And yet somehow you honestly think this logic of insidious Catholic
Nazi derived "mind control" somehow plays perfectly well with the
technological expertise and other necessary talents for safely getting
us to/from our physically dark moon, as of 4+ decades ago?
 http://translate.google.com/#
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Your usual excuses and/or evasion
What excuse is there in accepting an order for hydrogen from you?
Post by Brad Guth
as to why there's still no public
records
Now.. this is an interesting comment from someone who disbelieves the
substantial public record of well-established realities like Michael
Collins', Neil Armstrong's and Edwin Aldrin's visit to the Moon.
Post by Brad Guth
of anything Mokenergy related as to delivered energy or even
delivered solar farming is kind of mainstream status quo.
As with so many statements you make, this one too flies in the face of
reality. I mean you say no public records of anything. So, all I
must do is produce a public record of anything - here's one;

http://www.bni.co.id/Portals/0/Document/Coal.pdf

There are others, but they're not in English. What other languages do
you speak?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/59522868/Trust
Post by Brad Guth
Without
your 17.4 cent/kg hydrogen, means that pretty much nothing else you
promote is capable of working.
Again, how much do you want? Minimum order $11 million - credit is
available to those who are credit-worthy.
Post by Brad Guth
Your ruse
fact you mean.

http://pesn.com/2011/04/07/9501805_Rossi_Cold_Fusion_Validated_by_Swedish_Skeptics_Society/
Post by Brad Guth
of even cheaper and cleaner fusion energy
Yes, when done rightly. The Jetter Cycle is well documented,
recently declassified, and explains certain cold fusion results
perfectly.

Li-6 + neutron ---> He-4 + T + 4.8 MeV
He-4 + D ---> He-4 + n + 17.6 MeV

Neutrons are produced when alpha particles impinge upon any of several
low atomic weight isotopes including lithium-6.

So, if do the calculations - I invite you to do them to confirm what I
found.

Calculate the Lawson criterion for Li-6 Deuteride reaction - you'll
see that you have to compress the fuel pellet to about 1/30th the
diameter of its rest diameter. This requires a certain amount of
energy and a certain accuracy - for the Voitenko Compressor.

Now, fabricate the fuel pellet like an apple with a skin of Lithum-6
and a central pit of Lithium -6 with Lithium deuteride between.

Do this and you'll see that you have to compress the fuel pellet to
about 1/3rd the diameter of its rest diameter - not 1/30th.

Why?

Well, the rate of alpha production rises exponentially as the Lithium
Deuteride compresses. Those early alphas interact with the Lithium-6,
which produces neutrons which starts the Jetter Cycle, which comes to
dominate the reaction.

The big issue is the speed with which the reaction takes place and the
surface area of the sphere- which limits radiant losses as well as
neutron losses.
Post by Brad Guth
is pretty much the
same old story,
Your narrative is the same certainly. Its a reflection of yourself.
Nothing more.
Post by Brad Guth
although what you've researched as to those
controlling our government and the government itself being corrupted
and/or mafia like, is probably more than half true.
All governments everywhere have differing degrees of corruption. The
ones in charge are behind the scenes. The dominant governments are
the most corrupt and the most depraved.
Post by Brad Guth
A 0.1% corrupted government is actually very bad, especially when that
0.1% represents the upper most authority that's usually in charge of
policing their own kind.
There are no laws. Only legalisms in defense of tyranny.
Post by Brad Guth
Obviously you don't like to use the term "treason", even though what
these upper caste individuals have been doing to us is treasonous.
In law, treason is the crime that covers some of the more extreme acts
against one's sovereign nation.

A sovereign nation acting against the interests of their citizens for
the benefit of a ruling oligarchy is called a tyranny. A tyranny must
be overthrown and tyrants destroyed. That's why God made guillotines.

A sovereign state, is a defined territory on which internal and
external sovereignty is exercised, has a permanent population, a
government, and the capacity to enter into relations with other
sovereign states.

The Constitution of the United States is the supreme law of the United
States of America. It is the framework for the organization of the
United States government and for the relationship of the national
government with its citizens, the states, and all those within the
United States.

The People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect
Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the
common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings
of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, ordained and established
this Constitution for the United States of America.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of
Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted
among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the
governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive
of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish
it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such
principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall
seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. That to secure
these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their
just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form
of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of
the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,
laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in
such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety
and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long
established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and
accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed
to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by
abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long
train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object
evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their
right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide
new Guards for their future security.

Such has been the patient sufferance of all people everywhere; and
such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former
Systems of Government. The history of the present Oligarchs of Great
Britain against all nations is a history of repeated injuries and
usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an
absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be
submitted to a candid world.

Oligarchy


Economic collapse


Greece a case study


Empire


Hedgemony


Mind Control


Torture


Perversion


Assassination


False Flag
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8797525979024486145

Drug Running

Brad Guth
2011-12-21 22:48:12 UTC
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Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Yes indeed, your cheap fusion energy goes right along with your
science fiction as based upon real physics that should work, is
noted.
The Jetter Cycle operates at room temperature.
http://pesn.com/2011/10/28/9501940_1_MW_E-Cat_Test_Successful/
So, its not science fiction.
As long as yourself and none others can deliver, it's science fiction,
Wait a minute, a cold fusion generator was delivered last month.
http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/2nd-commercial-cold-fus...
Post by Brad Guth
though based upon good physics still doesn't count if you can't
deliver (at least there's still no public record of any Mokenergy
actually delivered).
So?  If you'd care to buy some energy from me do so.  You will have to
abide by the conditions of sale however.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Meanwhile, we still need your cheap hydrogen plus anything
else that comes along with the package deal of Mokenergy and the
wizard of Oz that you claim to be.
I believe I gave you a quotation for hydrogen at $80 per ton.
All you must do is agree to buy a minimum of 353,092 tons for a
minimum of  $10,592,760.  You can arrange delivery for as long as 30
years.  All that's required is you show you're credit worthy and sign
an agreement.  For a company with a decent credit rating monthly
payments are $64,129.38 - for deliveries of 367,800 kg per month.
($0.174 per kg)
And apparently I'd be the one and only first client of Mokenergy.
You wouldn't be.
Post by Brad Guth
Actually, if I were in charge of our dysfunctional DoE,
I will not work with any US agency for any reason.
Post by Brad Guth
I’d gladly
sign that contract and advance all necessary funds, except I’d go for
at least ten fold more to begin with (3.678e6 kg/month) because
$641,294/month is hardly a drop in the national energy bucket.
Correct.
Post by Brad Guth
Do you see where I’m going with this?
No.
Your totally dysfunctional mindset is noted.
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
BTW;  The albedo of that moon on average is nearly as dark as coal,
The dark areas of the moon reflect 10% of incident light.  Bright
ejecta reflect as much as 30%.  The average reflectivity is 12%
Actually the average surface albedo considering the illumination angle
of +/- 90 degrees (as viewed from Earth or LEO) is closer to 7%.
Correct.   Yet, on the surface of the moon its higher.
Not much brighter, and with a polarized optical element should have
recorded as even darker.
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
According to Pearson - reflectances range from 0.5% to 1.7% for coking
coals, while coals generally can range as high as 8%.
As I've said many times before, our physically dark moon is nearly as
dark as coal.
Some coals sure.  But generally speaking the moon is far brighter than
coal.  Just hold a lump of coal on a night when there's a full moon -
and hold it up and look at it.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Now, soil moisture content has been correlated with reflectance models
and raw soil on Earth ranges from 2.9% to to 11.8% - depending on
moisture content.  Bodies of water on Earth have reflectances in the
6% to 8% range.
Newly paved asphalt roads have a reflectivity of 4% and old worn
asphalt roads have a reflectivity of 8%
So, imagine standing on a sunny day on a road.  To the north, its
freshly paved, and its dark.  To the south, old and worn, its fairly
bright.  To the east is a coal field with very dark coking coal piled
high - its only 1.7% reflective - darker even than the new asphalt.
To the west, a freshly turned field after yesterday's rain.  Its 3%
reflective.  Twice a bright as the coking coal.  And a lake between
the road and the field, 6% reflective brighter yet again, but darker
than the road.  Next to it are evergreen trees, they're 5%
reflective.  And in the bright blue sky is a full moon on the horizon
- which looks white even in the day.
    Coking coal:  1.7%
   Plowed field:   3.0%
   New asphalt:  4.0%
   Trees:             5.0%
              Lake:   6.0%
 Worn asphalt:  8.0%
            Moon:  12%
So, you can see that you are just wrong Brad when you insist on saying
the moon is as dark as a lump of coal.  Its not!  Its brighter than
most things we see in this picture,
You are not the least bit qualified in photographic issues, because
you can't even interpret a whole lot better quality image of Venus.
Those moon-suits offered an albedo reference of 85%, but then you
don't understand photographics.
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GbhLmlUCIRI/TppDKPBphWI/AAAAAAAAB7A/h1aTpxS...
All of which is brighter than a lump of coal.  Just ask this guy
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ifRR12H2VZY/TYvpB7mC_LI/AAAAAAAACaw/SlUVCQ-...
I've never once mention the unusually dark version of any highly
pulverized and washed or water sprayed coking coals,
All I'm saying Brad is that when you say the Moon is darker than coal,
you're saying something that is highly misleading.
And the fact that you are a bipolar FUD-master certified liar is also
a matter of fact, because I've never once said anything to fit that
bipolar screwed up context that you've contrived in order to make
yourself seem even half smart.
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
but then you
obviously need to protect your NASA mafia
No I don't.
Post by Brad Guth
because without their
support you've got less than nothing to work with,
That's not true either.
Post by Brad Guth
not that our NASA
or any other agency has ever given you squat worth of support
Correct.
Post by Brad Guth
and much
less any mention in their archives of documentation.
Um..  well, I was present during the launch of the first Atlas 552.  I
gave a talk to scientists at the Marshall Spaceflight Center when I
applied for DOT license for Orbatek back in the 1990s.  I advised EOP
OST in 1995 for the Clinton Administration when they passed the Space
Policy Act of that year.  I worked with DOE and DOD developing a
commercial plan for the use of the NEBA III reactor and the use of the
stored nuclear materials at Jackass Flats NV.
I advised EOP OST again in 2004 for the Bush Administration when the
Saudi's went off their $22 per barrel price cap and Bush was looking
for an alternative to paying that price.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24911642/Report-to-OSTP-EOP-Dec-2004
Post by Brad Guth
How about, is
their even one mention of WilliamMookor Mokenergy in any K12
textbook (outside of schizophrenic bipolar psychosis disorders to
watch out for)?
There are so many things wrong with what you're saying that its hard
to figure how to respond to it.
[snip] pointless rants about Apollo not going to the moon.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Are you saying that our NASA has only recently become corrupted and
dishonest?
No, they were formed 11 years after the signing of the 1947 National
Security Act.  The rocket scientists brought over from Germany were a
cover to hide the fact we imported all the mind control scientists and
used them to create an army of sex slaves for the CIA so they could
corrupt our nation, our industry, and our people to benefit the
British Empire.
With as many easily snookered and dumbfounded K12s (that obviously
includes the likes of yourself); why on Earth would any sort of
ulterior motivated mind control even be necessary?
Do you really think our K12+ educated are even 1% as smart as
yourself? (if so they seem to be really good at keeping themselves
hidden)
Smart has nothing to do with it.
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
In which year did we lose control and our faith in all things DARPA
and NASA?
I awoke this year.  Although, its clear we did go to the moon.
I've never stipulated that some of our Apollo stuff (w/o crew) didn't
make it to the surface.
What is it about our having absolutely zilch worth of purely fly-by-
rocket lander technology of that era, that don't you still can't
understand?
Just because you don't understand astrodynamics doesn't mean it didn't
happen Brad.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/nasa58040.pdf
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
The Apollo trips are secondary to the role NASA played and continues
to play in maintaining a population of mind controlled child sex slaves
for the CIA to corrupt and control the world's politics and industry.
And yet somehow you honestly think this logic of insidious Catholic
Nazi derived "mind control" somehow plays perfectly well with the
technological expertise and other necessary talents for safely getting
us to/from our physically dark moon, as of 4+ decades ago?
 http://translate.google.com/#
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Your usual excuses and/or evasion
What excuse is there in accepting an order for hydrogen from you?
Post by Brad Guth
as to why there's still no public
records
Now..  this is an interesting comment from someone who disbelieves the
substantial public record of well-established realities like Michael
Collins', Neil Armstrong's and Edwin Aldrin's visit to the Moon.
Post by Brad Guth
of anything Mokenergy related as to delivered energy or even
delivered solar farming is kind of mainstream status quo.
As with so many statements you make, this one too flies in the face of
reality.  I mean you say no public records of anything.  So, all I
must do is produce a public record of anything - here's one;
http://www.bni.co.id/Portals/0/Document/Coal.pdf
There are others, but they're not in English.  What other languages do
you speak?
http://www.scribd.com/doc/59522868/Trust
Post by Brad Guth
Without
your 17.4 cent/kg hydrogen, means that pretty much nothing else you
promote is capable of working.
Again, how much do you want?  Minimum order $11 million - credit is
available to those who are credit-worthy.
I already told you what I'd do if I were in charge of our DoE,
although there's still no public record of your capability to deliver
such cheap hydrogen, but then you don't want to impose or revise
anything that might hurt your rich and powerful friends.
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Your ruse
fact you mean.
Your meaningless facts for a meaningless source of cheap and clean
energy is noted, as fiction because you can't even seem to make it
happen.
Post by William Mook
http://pesn.com/2011/04/07/9501805_Rossi_Cold_Fusion_Validated_by_Swe...
Post by Brad Guth
of even cheaper and cleaner fusion energy
Yes, when done rightly.    The Jetter Cycle is well documented,
recently declassified, and explains certain cold fusion results
perfectly.
    Li-6 + neutron --->  He-4 + T  +   4.8 MeV
           He-4 + D  --->  He-4 + n  + 17.6 MeV
Neutrons are produced when alpha particles impinge upon any of several
low atomic weight isotopes including  lithium-6.
So, if do the calculations - I invite you to do them to confirm what I
found.
Calculate the Lawson criterion for Li-6 Deuteride reaction - you'll
see that you have to compress the fuel pellet to about 1/30th the
diameter of its rest diameter.   This requires a certain amount of
energy and a certain accuracy - for the Voitenko Compressor.
Now, fabricate the fuel pellet like an apple with a skin of Lithum-6
and a central pit of Lithium -6 with Lithium deuteride between.
Do this and you'll see that you have to compress the fuel pellet to
about 1/3rd the diameter of its rest diameter - not 1/30th.
Why?
Well, the rate of alpha production rises exponentially as the Lithium
Deuteride compresses.  Those early alphas interact with the Lithium-6,
which produces neutrons which starts the Jetter Cycle, which comes to
dominate the reaction.
The big issue is the speed with which the reaction takes place and the
surface area of the sphere- which limits radiant losses as well as
neutron losses.
Post by Brad Guth
is pretty much the same old story,
Your narrative is the same certainly.  Its a reflection of yourself.
Nothing more.
Post by Brad Guth
although what you've researched as to those
controlling our government and the government itself being corrupted
and/or mafia like, is probably more than half true.
All governments everywhere have differing degrees of corruption.  The
ones in charge are behind the scenes.  The dominant governments are
the most corrupt and the most depraved.
And you have no intentions of ever changing a damn thing.
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
A 0.1% corrupted government is actually very bad, especially when that
0.1% represents the upper most authority that's usually in charge of
policing their own kind.
There are no laws.  Only legalisms in defense of tyranny.
Post by Brad Guth
Obviously you don't like to use the term "treason", even though what
these upper caste individuals have been doing to us is treasonous.
In law, treason is the crime that covers some of the more extreme acts
against one's sovereign nation.
A sovereign nation acting against the interests of their citizens for
the benefit of a ruling oligarchy is called a tyranny.  A tyranny must
be overthrown and tyrants destroyed.  That's why God made guillotines.
A sovereign state, is a defined territory on which internal and
external sovereignty is exercised, has a permanent population, a
government, and the capacity to enter into relations with other
sovereign states.
The Constitution of the United States is the supreme law of the United
States of America. It is the framework for the organization of the
United States government and for the relationship of the national
government with its citizens, the states, and all those within the
United States.
The People  of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect
Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the
common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings
of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, ordained and established
this Constitution for the United States of America.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of
Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted
among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the
governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive
of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish
it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such
principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall
seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.  That to secure
these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their
just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form
of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of
the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,
laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in
such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety
and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long
established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and
accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed
to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by
abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long
train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object
evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their
right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide
new Guards for their future security.
Such has been the patient sufferance of all people everywhere; and
such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former
Systems of Government. The history of the present Oligarchs of Great
Britain against all nations is a history of repeated injuries and
usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an
absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be
submitted to a candid world.
http://youtu.be/btHrX05-4Pc
Economic http://youtu.be/-mYDExIz2vU
Greece a case http://youtu.be/q0dD5pwsfMQ
http://youtu.be/aqIHKWd9rSc
http://youtu.be/nfJNFSYFmZs
Mind http://youtu.be/n5TqF43GEdM
http://youtu.be/YQIYc_ToZ8g
http://youtu.be/SA3CMPGS_MI
http://youtu.be/DAQ5mFkrlDs
False Flaghttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8797525979024486145
Drug http://youtu.be/lfH3NxrY_aM
The existing system that's corrupt and dysfunctional for 99.9999% of
us sucks, however your version of total deregulation and no possible
punishment upon those that got us into this mess and intend to stay in
authority is just as dark and scary, not to mention worse than
hopeless.

Why don't you give us another few thousand words plus a few gigabytes
of those YouTubes instead of action, because that seems to be the best
you've ever accomplished without taking credit from others and
otherwise disqualifying everyone else.

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2011-12-21 22:54:38 UTC
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Good grief, get a life and actually contribute and/or preferably do
something/anything that'll improve the quality of life for anyone
other than yourself.

Doing nothing about correcting/revising textbook history isn't helping
us one damn freaking bit.

Promoting cleaner and cheaper energy that'll never come to past
(because it'll only upset your best friends, Rothschilds and other
oligarchs) is also not benefiting anyone except yourself.

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GovShill
2011-12-21 23:02:43 UTC
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Post by Brad Guth
Good grief, get a life and actually contribute and/or preferably do
something/anything that'll improve the quality of life for anyone
other than yourself.
Doing nothing about correcting/revising textbook history isn't helping
us one damn freaking bit.
Promoting cleaner and cheaper energy that'll never come to past
(because it'll only upset your best friends, Rothschilds and other
oligarchs) is also not benefiting anyone except yourself.
My, my... you appear to be losing your cool  Brad Guth, Brad_Guth,
Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”.

FUD-Master #2
Brad Guth
2011-12-22 00:23:00 UTC
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Post by Brad Guth
Good grief, get a life and actually contribute and/or preferably do
something/anything that'll improve the quality of life for anyone
other than yourself.
Doing nothing about correcting/revising textbook history isn't helping
us one damn freaking bit.
Promoting cleaner and cheaper energy that'll never come to past
(because it'll only upset your best friends, Rothschilds and other
oligarchs) is also not benefiting anyone except yourself.
My, my... you appear to be losing your cool  Brad Guth, Brad_Guth,
Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”.
FUD-Master #2
I started to lose my cool as of 1966, and before then I was just as
badly confused or as snookered as most everyone else.

Obviously no matters how bad things get, you'll never lose your public-
funded cool.

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GovShill
2011-12-22 00:27:14 UTC
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Post by GovShill
Post by Brad Guth
Good grief, get a life and actually contribute and/or preferably do
something/anything that'll improve the quality of life for anyone
other than yourself.
Doing nothing about correcting/revising textbook history isn't helping
us one damn freaking bit.
Promoting cleaner and cheaper energy that'll never come to past
(because it'll only upset your best friends, Rothschilds and other
oligarchs) is also not benefiting anyone except yourself.
My, my... you appear to be losing your cool  Brad Guth, Brad_Guth,
Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”.
FUD-Master #2
I started to lose my cool as of 1966, and before then I was just as
badly confused or as snookered as most everyone else.
Obviously no matters how bad things get, you'll never lose your public-
funded cool.
But things aren't bad here Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth,
BG / “Guth Usenet”. Apart from have a Labor government, which couldn't
organise a good fart, that is.

It's almost Boxing Day, and that means the test match starts. Things
are looking up.

FUD-Master #2
Brad Guth
2011-12-19 13:42:20 UTC
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Post by Brad Guth
Post by Warhol
This happened near where I live about a week ago. Calling all
knowledgeable Astronomer readers.. If it isn't a meteor, what could it
be?
http://www.thestclairtimes.com/view/full_story/16245092/article-Did-m...
So, if YU55 was on a course to hit the moon or the earth, do you think
they would tell us?
Sure thing, because our NASA/JPL isn't the only resource for such
orbital mechanics, although a minor impact of something 1% the mass of
YU55 could easily make an unscheduled diversion of the trajectory.
Supposedly that's not expected, so impacting our moon isn't likely
(especially at this late date).
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They didn't prepare the people for what is about to transpire on
Planet Earth...
Neither the education system, the religious or belief systems has
prepared people for what is about to transpire on this planet.
In case the coffee boys didn't get the message, here it is
"YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO YOUR ENTIRE LIVES"
man did NOT prepare himself for what is about to happen, what a fool
he has been.
Can't argue against that one.  WilliamMookwould also agree with that.
The Matrix - you are a http://youtu.be/te6qG4yn-Ps
Through the http://youtu.be/TwNju_G9SoI
Much of what we think  is in short supply is not.  Materials and
energy are available all around us.  All we need is to tap it.
Element Demandite       Nonfuel 10.38   23.70           kg/m3   m3/yr
Carbon  0.3551  0.0574  3.6859  8.4159  Soil    55      67.017
Hydrogen        0.0763  0.0025  0.7920  1.8083  Air     0.001333        593,995
Silicon 0.1355  0.2444  1.4065  3.2114  Soil    682     2.062
Oxygen  0.2217  0.4547  2.3012  5.2543  Soil
Iron    0.0797  0.0479  0.8273  1.8889  Soil    57.2    14.463
Aluminum        0.0039  0.0023  0.0405  0.0924  Soil    158.4   0.256
Magnesium       0.0013  0.0017  0.0135  0.0308  Soil    19.8    0.682
Copper  0.0033  0.0020  0.0343  0.0782  Soil    0.055   622.800
Manganese       0.0057  0.0030  0.0592  0.1351  Soil    1.21    48.898
Calcium 0.0473  0.1417  0.4910  1.1210  Soil    52.8    9.299
Sodium  0.0158  0.0095  0.1640  0.3745  Sea Water       26.4    6.212
Sulfur  0.0095  0.0058  0.0986  0.2252  Soil    3.52    28.014
Potassium       0.0036  0.0021  0.0374  0.0853  Soil    33      1.132
Phosphorus      0.0032  0.0019  0.0332  0.0758  Soil    0.946   35.112
Chlorine        0.0244  0.147   0.2533  0.5783  Sea Water
Nitrogen        0.0138  0.0083  0.1432  0.3271  Air     0.000017784     8,054,655
Lithium runs 5 to 140 ppm with a mean of 24 ppm.  Soil then has an
average of 30 grams of lithium per cubic meter - assuming an average
density of 1,280 kg per cubic meter.  At 7.5% lithium-6 isotope
constitutes 2.3 grams of this total.   Enough to make 3.1 grams of
lithium-6 deuteride.
Water is 11% water.  So a cubic meter of water contains 110 kg of
hydrogen.  About 1 in 6000 hydrogen atoms is the deuterium isotope.
So, 18.3 grams of deuterium are contained in a cubic meter of water.
Enough deuterium to make 73.2 grams of lithium-6 deuteride.
A cubic meter of water contains enough deuterium to process 23.6 cubic
meters of soil into 73.2 grams of lithium-6 deuteride.
Soil that is 3% moisture content or greater has enough lithium-6 and
deuterium to provide significant power.
A gram of lithium-6 deuteride contains 268.3 GJ - about 44 barrels of
crude oil equivalent.  73.2 grams of lithium-6 deuteride contains
19,640 GJ - about 3,220 barrels of crude oil equivalent.
This is more than 1,000x enough energy to process the 25 cubic meters
of wet soil into their elemental form and reassemble them into the
forms needed.   This is a cube 3 meters (10 ft) on a side.   Its also
plenty of energy to reduce all waste products to elemental form as
well, to recycle 100% everything we use.
A 100 MW power plant is enough to drive a sub-terrene that is 20
meters in diameter through solid rock at several hundred meters per
hour.
http://projectcamelot.org/tunnel_boring_machine_4_lg.jpg
10 m x 10 m x pi = 314.15 m2 Area
  100 m/hour x 314.15 m2 = 31,415 m3 per hour.
This extracts enough lithium-6 deuteride to provide 24.6 million GJ of
energy, and uses only 360 GJ of energy.  That's 4 million barrels of
crude oil equivalent every 100 meters - produced every hour!
A single boring machine extracts enough lithium-6 deuteride to provide
for ALL the world's energy needs.
This includes extruding all the glass, iron, aluminum, copper, and
everything else needed to support the entire world as well.
A single machine moving 2.5 km/day completes an entire city of 1
million in 120 days.  Over this period it produces five daughter
machines, and sheds parts of itself at the end, so that six daughter
machines head out in 6 different directions from the city.  The
daughter machines grow as they move radially outward from the city,
building roads, maglevs, pipelines, wires, canals along the way - and
grow along the way as well.  They reach another city point - and build
another city - and repeat the process.
In less than 2 years 7,200 cities of 1 million are built - and
sufficient power raw materials and everything else is available in
abundance.
These versions build cities AT the surface so that buildings rooted in
the Earth extend above the surface while extracting needed materials
from the surface.
No doubt whatsoever, that raw molecular elements can be created via
fusion and/or by other synthetic or artificial methods. However,
99.9999% of us do not have this capability or any way of affording to
have others such as yourself delivering it to us. Instead we must
rely upon those conventional methods of hydrocarbons and those other
traditional thermodynamic energy conversion methods, such as your
renewable and cheap hydrogen from solar energy would have been a very
good thing as of more than a decade ago, not to mention all those
other easily derived forms of energy that would follow suit (including
my HTP that's good for lots of stuff besides clean energy and way
better synfuel efficiency).

Our physically dark moon and the extremely nearby planet Venus may
each seem a wee bit extreme for going off-world on behalf of
sustaining our global energy and metallicity demands, but this may be
our only failsafe way out of this hydrocarbon addiction plus multiple
other resource depletions. Even though William Mook can show us where
much cleaner and more efficient terrestrial methods for obtaining
natural solar renewable hydrogen plus otherwise creating quality
synfuels from coal plus his Li-6 and deuterium usage is technically
doable, it seems the social/political infrastructure either hasn’t
been willing or perhaps isn’t capable of changing course.

As is the energy dependent world spills, leaks and/or via blowouts has
managed to pollute the surface and oceans with over a billion barrels
worth of crude oil per year, and the vast majority of which does not
get cleaned up or otherwise salvaged, plus likewise a hundred trillion
cubic meters of natural gas leakage including whatever’s intentionally
getting raw vented as well as via extensive flaring and the natural
gas industry consumption plus numerous volumetric forms of wastage is
getting dumped into the atmosphere as raw gasses plus its combustion
derived CO2, NOx and of course the radiological decay produced element
of helium(He) that always passes through is not insignificant. Adding
in the all-inclusive coal usage, and it doesn’t take a rocket
scientist to figure out that our terrestrial resources of hydrocarbon
energy is systematically killing us, as well as bankrupting us.

The considerable loss of helium alone should have been given some
consideration on behalf of conserving that and a few other valuable
elements of raw natural gas as of decades ago, but instead our K12s
and most others don’t seem to care or have any clue, much less
investigative motivation to find out how much tonnage of helium per
year our world is losing track of.

The OCO mission was going to help quantify what is naturally and
artificially polluting our atmosphere, as well as other satellites
packing sufficient instruments for tracking and quantifying land and
sea pollutions, although each time they seem to get either foiled or
discredited to the point that we still have no good real-time idea as
to our global situation, and because Big Energy with their all-
inclusive contributions are not very good nor all that trustworthy at
keeping records as to monitoring their global contributions because,
only the final portion of whatever gets to the final end-user seems to
count, whereas the all-inclusive volumes taken in order to get that
final end-use product delivered are typically not being accounted for.

As long as this mainstream energy status-quo is not allowed to change
for the better, plus China demanding their fair share of hydrocarbon
derived energy, means that we’d best get with the off-world program of
taking from our moon and Venus, in that each of those seem to have
lots of metallicity and energy to spare.

Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
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William Mook
2011-12-19 19:19:58 UTC
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Post by Warhol
Post by Brad Guth
Post by Warhol
This happened near where I live about a week ago. Calling all
knowledgeable Astronomer readers.. If it isn't a meteor, what could it
be?
http://www.thestclairtimes.com/view/full_story/16245092/article-Did-m...
So, if YU55 was on a course to hit the moon or the earth, do you think
they would tell us?
Sure thing, because our NASA/JPL isn't the only resource for such
orbital mechanics, although a minor impact of something 1% the mass of
YU55 could easily make an unscheduled diversion of the trajectory.
Supposedly that's not expected, so impacting our moon isn't likely
(especially at this late date).
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They didn't prepare the people for what is about to transpire on
Planet Earth...
Neither the education system, the religious or belief systems has
prepared people for what is about to transpire on this planet.
In case the coffee boys didn't get the message, here it is
"YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO YOUR ENTIRE LIVES"
man did NOT prepare himself for what is about to happen, what a fool
he has been.
Can't argue against that one.  WilliamMookwould also agree with that.
The Matrix - you are a http://youtu.be/te6qG4yn-Ps
Through the http://youtu.be/TwNju_G9SoI
Much of what we think  is in short supply is not.  Materials and
energy are available all around us.  All we need is to tap it.
Element Demandite       Nonfuel 10.38   23.70           kg/m3   m3/yr
Carbon  0.3551  0.0574  3.6859  8.4159  Soil    55      67.017
Hydrogen        0.0763  0.0025  0.7920  1.8083  Air     0.001333        593,995
Silicon 0.1355  0.2444  1.4065  3.2114  Soil    682     2.062
Oxygen  0.2217  0.4547  2.3012  5.2543  Soil
Iron    0.0797  0.0479  0.8273  1.8889  Soil    57.2    14.463
Aluminum        0.0039  0.0023  0.0405  0.0924  Soil    158.4   0.256
Magnesium       0.0013  0.0017  0.0135  0.0308  Soil    19.8    0.682
Copper  0.0033  0.0020  0.0343  0.0782  Soil    0.055   622.800
Manganese       0.0057  0.0030  0.0592  0.1351  Soil    1.21    48.898
Calcium 0.0473  0.1417  0.4910  1.1210  Soil    52.8    9.299
Sodium  0.0158  0.0095  0.1640  0.3745  Sea Water       26.4    6.212
Sulfur  0.0095  0.0058  0.0986  0.2252  Soil    3.52    28.014
Potassium       0.0036  0.0021  0.0374  0.0853  Soil    33      1.132
Phosphorus      0.0032  0.0019  0.0332  0.0758  Soil    0.946   35.112
Chlorine        0.0244  0.147   0.2533  0.5783  Sea Water
Nitrogen        0.0138  0.0083  0.1432  0.3271  Air     0.000017784     8,054,655
Lithium runs 5 to 140 ppm with a mean of 24 ppm.  Soil then has an
average of 30 grams of lithium per cubic meter - assuming an average
density of 1,280 kg per cubic meter.  At 7.5% lithium-6 isotope
constitutes 2.3 grams of this total.   Enough to make 3.1 grams of
lithium-6 deuteride.
Water is 11% water.  So a cubic meter of water contains 110 kg of
hydrogen.  About 1 in 6000 hydrogen atoms is the deuterium isotope.
So, 18.3 grams of deuterium are contained in a cubic meter of water.
Enough deuterium to make 73.2 grams of lithium-6 deuteride.
A cubic meter of water contains enough deuterium to process 23.6 cubic
meters of soil into 73.2 grams of lithium-6 deuteride.
Soil that is 3% moisture content or greater has enough lithium-6 and
deuterium to provide significant power.
A gram of lithium-6 deuteride contains 268.3 GJ - about 44 barrels of
crude oil equivalent.  73.2 grams of lithium-6 deuteride contains
19,640 GJ - about 3,220 barrels of crude oil equivalent.
This is more than 1,000x enough energy to process the 25 cubic meters
of wet soil into their elemental form and reassemble them into the
forms needed.   This is a cube 3 meters (10 ft) on a side.   Its also
plenty of energy to reduce all waste products to elemental form as
well, to recycle 100% everything we use.
A 100 MW power plant is enough to drive a sub-terrene that is 20
meters in diameter through solid rock at several hundred meters per
hour.
http://projectcamelot.org/tunnel_boring_machine_4_lg.jpg
10 m x 10 m x pi = 314.15 m2 Area
  100 m/hour x 314.15 m2 = 31,415 m3 per hour.
This extracts enough lithium-6 deuteride to provide 24.6 million GJ of
energy, and uses only 360 GJ of energy.  That's 4 million barrels of
crude oil equivalent every 100 meters - produced every hour!
A single boring machine extracts enough lithium-6 deuteride to provide
for ALL the world's energy needs.
This includes extruding all the glass, iron, aluminum, copper, and
everything else needed to support the entire world as well.
A single machine moving 2.5 km/day completes an entire city of 1
million in 120 days.  Over this period it produces five daughter
machines, and sheds parts of itself at the end, so that six daughter
machines head out in 6 different directions from the city.  The
daughter machines grow as they move radially outward from the city,
building roads, maglevs, pipelines, wires, canals along the way - and
grow along the way as well.  They reach another city point - and build
another city - and repeat the process.
In less than 2 years 7,200 cities of 1 million are built - and
sufficient power raw materials and everything else is available in
abundance.
These versions build cities AT the surface so that buildings rooted in
the Earth extend above the surface while extracting needed materials
from the surface.
No doubt whatsoever, that raw molecular elements can be created via
fusion and/or by other synthetic or artificial methods.
Fusion, whether from a natural star like the Sun, or an artificial
star like an inertially confined Jetty Cycle, provides virtually free
unlimited energy on demand. That free energy doesn't create
elements. It allows us to efficiently separate garbage and dirt into
elemental materials. Those elements, already present in garbage and
dirt, when separated into hydrogen, helium, lithium, beryllium, boron,
carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, chlorine, argon, and so forth through all
elements all isotopes - at virtually no cost - provide us with all we
need to live very good lives of nearly unlimited wealth with virtually
no cost and no environmental impact.
Post by Brad Guth
However,
99.9999% of us do not have this capability or any way of affording to
Dirt and garbage, seawater and sunlight are virtually free. This is
the world we find ourselves in. We can have whatever we wish if we
choose using all the knowledge at our disposal.
Post by Brad Guth
have others such as yourself delivering it to us.
We live in a corrupt society. For example, did you know organized
crime owns the sports business? For decades sporting events have been
a perfect way to launder proceeds from prostitution, gambling, drug
sales. Of course in recent years with the corruption of the FBI, DEA,
ATF, SEC, the crime bosses have taken over the banks and used police
officers and FBI and other law enforcement officers to distribute,
control, and enforce collections for drugs, gambling and
prostitution.

American Dream


Corruption


We need an emergent least restrictive system that has a distributed,
not centralized, system of control that is scientifically created.

http://vimeo.com/29419399
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Instead we must
rely upon those conventional methods of hydrocarbons and those other
traditional thermodynamic energy conversion methods, such as your
renewable and cheap hydrogen from solar energy would have been a very
good thing as of more than a decade ago,
I prepared a solution for the difficulties faced by the United States
in 2004. I had the opportunity to present it to President Bush and
his Office of Science and Technology in December of 2004.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/24911642/Report-to-OSTP-EOP-Dec-2004

I went to Wall Street and organized an $8 billion commodity offering
using a friend I knew from Columbus.

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/n_7912/

The corrupt powers that were - following their own path to maintain
their own personal power - didn't want that. They wanted to collapse
the United States and Europe, start World War 3, and extend their
control over what was left - for the good of the Earth and to get rid
of the useless eaters.



Which is part of a larger view



Which isn't good for us, and wasn't good for Jeff;

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/03/25/jeffrey-epstein-how-the-billionaire-pedophile-got-off-easy.html

Who was done in by a system of black mail that has ensnared this
nation since the death of Kennedy



And most Americans won't know the horrible truth until America has
sunk totally beneath the waves


Post by Brad Guth
not to mention all those
other easily derived forms of energy that would follow suit (including
my HTP that's good for lots of stuff besides clean energy and way
better synfuel efficiency).
Your presumption that the markets, government and banking work the way
the corporate controlled media tells you, is laughable.
Post by Brad Guth
Our physically dark moon
Please go out on a dark night any time there is a full moon. Look at
the moon. You will see its not dark.
Post by Brad Guth
and the extremely nearby planet Venus
Venus is near Earth when they're on the same side of the sun. When
Earth and Mars are on the same side of the Sun and Venus opposite,
Mars is nearer.
Post by Brad Guth
may
each seem a wee bit extreme for going off-world on behalf of
sustaining our global energy and metallicity demands,
Our shortages of materials along with the high cost of those materials
are due entirely to the high cost and scarcity of energy. The
scarcity of energy is artificially maintained to benefit the owners of
those energy companies - in terms of profits and power and to carry
out their vision of the future of the world.

Get it through your head.

YOU are OWNED by someone. That someone has decided that there are TOO
MANY PEOPLE. So, they have arranged to REDUCE our population and
maintain power and wealth through artificial scarcity.
Post by Brad Guth
but this may be
our only failsafe way out of this hydrocarbon addiction
Your owner doesn't want that.
Post by Brad Guth
plus multiple
other resource depletions.  Even though WilliamMookcan show us where
much cleaner and more efficient terrestrial methods for obtaining
natural solar renewable hydrogen plus otherwise creating quality
synfuels from coal plus his Li-6 and deuterium usage is technically
doable, it seems the social/political infrastructure either hasn’t
been willing or perhaps isn’t capable of changing course.
The system is corrupt. Those in charge are psychopaths. Those below
them are incompetent. Those below them, do all the work, clueless
about why they're doing it - manipulated by the media to stay asleep.


Post by Brad Guth
As is the energy dependent world spills, leaks and/or via blowouts has
managed to pollute the surface and oceans with over a billion barrels
worth of crude oil per year, and the vast majority of which does not
get cleaned up or otherwise salvaged, plus likewise a hundred trillion
cubic meters of natural gas leakage including whatever’s intentionally
getting raw vented as well as via extensive flaring and the natural
gas industry consumption plus numerous volumetric forms of wastage is
getting dumped into the atmosphere as raw gasses plus its combustion
derived CO2, NOx and of course the radiological decay produced element
of helium(He) that always passes through is not insignificant.  Adding
in the all-inclusive coal usage, and it doesn’t take a rocket
scientist to figure out that our terrestrial resources of hydrocarbon
energy is systematically killing us, as well as bankrupting us.
The considerable loss of helium alone should have been given some
consideration on behalf of conserving that and a few other valuable
elements of raw natural gas as of decades ago, but instead our K12s
and most others don’t seem to care or have any clue, much less
investigative motivation to find out how much tonnage of helium per
year our world is losing track of.
The OCO mission was going to help quantify what is naturally and
artificially polluting our atmosphere, as well as other satellites
packing sufficient instruments for tracking and quantifying land and
sea pollutions, although each time they seem to get either foiled or
discredited to the point that we still have no good real-time idea as
to our global situation, and because Big Energy with their all-
inclusive contributions are not very good nor all that trustworthy at
keeping records as to monitoring their global contributions because,
only the final portion of whatever gets to the final end-user seems to
count, whereas the all-inclusive volumes taken in order to get that
final end-use product delivered are typically not being accounted for.
As long as this mainstream energy status-quo is not allowed to change
for the better, plus China demanding their fair share of hydrocarbon
derived energy, means that we’d best get with the off-world program of
taking from our moon and Venus, in that each of those seem to have
lots of metallicity and energy to spare.
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
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We have all we need to allow 21 billion people to live quite well
without adversely impacting the environment. We will transform the
world in less than 4 years. Of course, the new centers of power will
be Conarky, Rio, Santiago, Auckland, Sydney, Perth, Johannesburg -
while Paris, Rome, London, Washington, and New York, will be forgotten
remnants of the past associated more with the horrors lies and abuses
than with any of the benefits they claim for themselves today.

Cory Feldman


Brice Taylor

Brad Guth
2011-12-19 21:13:02 UTC
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Post by William Mook
We have all we need to allow 21 billion people to live quite well
without adversely impacting the environment.  We will transform the
world in less than 4 years.  Of course, the new centers of power will
be Conarky, Rio, Santiago, Auckland, Sydney, Perth, Johannesburg -
while Paris, Rome, London, Washington, and New York, will be forgotten
remnants of the past associated more with the horrors lies and abuses
than with any of the benefits they claim for themselves today.
Cory http://youtu.be/0SWK6MwmcNQ
Brice http://youtu.be/0y1zhBspJY8
So you're no longer in favor of going after any off-world resources,
because Earth supposedly has more than enough of everything to go
around for accommodating 21 billion humans.

Considering we can't afford to take proper care of the 7 billion as
is, and roughly 90% of those are having to live on less than half of
what the average American consumes, seems to be lacking in hard
objective facts. In other words, you seem to be making up stuff as
you go.

No doubt with that future energy derived from fusion energy, plus
nearly everything recycled, and if social/political greed and
corruption could be eliminated without involving world wars, we'd be
all set to deal with those 21 billion humans. Of course the remote
odds of that ever happening is astronomical, especially with not more
than 10% of those 21 billion actually well enough educated and full-
time working, might suggest your plan for our future is kind of
hopeless.

Lets do the math:
2.1 billion working and getting paid on average a million dollars per
year is only a global budget of $2.1 quadrillion, and that has to
support all 21 billion of us on $100,000 each (-50% tax in order to
pay for all the fancy infrastructure = $50,000/year). So, as long as
there's no inflation or better yet if there were considerable
deflation, it should work like a charm.

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Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
We have all we need to allow 21 billion people to live quite well
without adversely impacting the environment.  We will transform the
world in less than 4 years.  Of course, the new centers of power will
be Conarky, Rio, Santiago, Auckland, Sydney, Perth, Johannesburg -
while Paris, Rome, London, Washington, and New York, will be forgotten
remnants of the past associated more with the horrors lies and abuses
than with any of the benefits they claim for themselves today.
Cory http://youtu.be/0SWK6MwmcNQ
Brice http://youtu.be/0y1zhBspJY8
So you're no longer in favor of going after any off-world resources,
I didn't say that.
Post by Brad Guth
because Earth supposedly has more than enough of everything to go
around for accommodating 21 billion humans.
That's true. 21 billion millionaires, with some input from ocean and
off-world rare Earths.
Post by Brad Guth
Considering we can't afford to take proper care of the 7 billion as
is,
That's a meme that's widely circulated and believed. Its a lie.
Promoted by a media owned and controlled by the people who own you.

It's true most of the 7 billion here now are ill-served by the
existing system of ownership of human beings through nation-state
intermediaries.

The owners don't want the 7 billion to live well. Its not in their
interest. It is in their interest to maintain artificial scarcity and
to exploit the inevitable tensions to reduce population through
conflict to maintain 'standards' and preserve the Earth.
Post by Brad Guth
and roughly 90% of those are having to live on less than half of
what the average American consumes,
Americans are not the richest people in the world.

Qatar $179,000
Liechtenstein $141,100
Luxembourg $82,600
Bermuda $69,900
Singapore $62,100
Jersey $57,000
Norway $54,600
Brunei $51,600
UAE $49,600
Kuwait $48,900

The USA is #11;

United States $47,200

Here's the next 9 - rounding out the top 20;

Andorra $46,700
Hong Kong $45,900
Guernsey $44,600
Cayman Is $43,800
Gibraltar $43,000
Switzerland $42,600
Australia $41,000
Austria $40,400
Bahrain $40,300

The world average is;

World $11,200

But if we look at the most populous Countries;

China $7,600

Iraq $3,800

This country was better off economically under Saddam

Another very populous country;

India $3,500

Here's a country that has 55% of the world's aluminum, worth $100
trillion at today's prices;

Guinea $1,000

Here's an interesting figure;

Afghanistan $900

for a country that produces $1 trillion a year in heroin.
Obviously, none of the Afghans are getting any of this money.

Sibel Edmonds


Sibel Edmonds

Post by Brad Guth
seems to be lacking in hard
objective facts.
Nonsense. The money system that's used by your owners to organize the
resources you're allowed to have don't want the majority of people to
live well so you or they don't have enough wealth symbols - money - to
do what you want. Your owners also own the media by which you learn
about the world. So, you accept the lies they tell you about why you
and others don't have money. Your owners understand you better than
you do. So, your owners are very adept at getting you to direct your
dissatisfaction in ways that benefit your owners while undermining
your own interests.

This state of affairs has nothing at all to do with whether or not
we're capable of providing for ourselves.
Post by Brad Guth
 In other words, you seem to be making up stuff as
you go.
Nonsense.
Post by Brad Guth
No doubt with that future energy derived from fusion energy, plus
nearly everything recycled, and if social/political greed and
corruption could be eliminated without involving world wars,
The engineered collapse is an opportunity for a small cadre of
knowledgeable people to end the present regime.
Post by Brad Guth
we'd be
all set to deal with those 21 billion humans.
Correct.
Post by Brad Guth
Of course the remote
odds of that ever happening is astronomical, especially with not more
than 10% of those 21 billion actually well enough educated and full-
time working, might suggest your plan for our future is kind of
hopeless.
You seem to ignore the reality that your owners who won't provide you
or anyone else with sufficient wealth symbols to do what you desire
and what you are capable of doing - also won't allow you enough money
or knowledge to make use of off-world resources.
Post by Brad Guth
2.1 billion working and getting paid on average a million dollars per
year is only a global budget of $2.1 quadrillion, and that has to
support all 21 billion of us on $100,000 each (-50% tax in order to
pay for all the fancy infrastructure = $50,000/year).
You are clueless as to what it takes. Taxes are a means to take money
out of your pocket and put it in the pocket of your owner. Taxes are
not needed.
Post by Brad Guth
So, as long as
there's no inflation or better yet if there were considerable
deflation, it should work like a charm.
You don't understand inflation either.
Post by Brad Guth
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Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
We have all we need to allow 21 billion people to live quite well
without adversely impacting the environment.  We will transform the
world in less than 4 years.  Of course, the new centers of power will
be Conarky, Rio, Santiago, Auckland, Sydney, Perth, Johannesburg -
while Paris, Rome, London, Washington, and New York, will be forgotten
remnants of the past associated more with the horrors lies and abuses
than with any of the benefits they claim for themselves today.
Cory http://youtu.be/0SWK6MwmcNQ
Brice http://youtu.be/0y1zhBspJY8
So you're no longer in favor of going after any off-world resources,
I didn't say that.
Post by Brad Guth
because Earth supposedly has more than enough of everything to go
around for accommodating 21 billion humans.
That's true.  21 billion millionaires, with some input from ocean and
off-world rare Earths.
Post by Brad Guth
Considering we can't afford to take proper care of the 7 billion as
is,
That's a meme that's widely circulated and believed.  Its a lie.
Promoted by a media owned and controlled by the people who own you.
It's true most of the 7 billion here now are ill-served by the
existing system of ownership of human beings through nation-state
intermediaries.
The owners don't want the 7 billion to live well.   Its not in their
interest.  It is in their interest to maintain artificial scarcity and
to exploit the inevitable tensions to reduce population through
conflict to maintain 'standards' and preserve the Earth.
Post by Brad Guth
and roughly 90% of those are having to live on less than half of
what the average American consumes,
Americans are not the richest people in the world.
Qatar   $179,000
Liechtenstein   $141,100
Luxembourg      $82,600
Bermuda $69,900
Singapore       $62,100
Jersey  $57,000
Norway  $54,600
Brunei  $51,600
UAE     $49,600
Kuwait  $48,900
The USA is #11;
United States   $47,200
Here's the next 9 - rounding out the top 20;
Andorra $46,700
Hong Kong       $45,900
Guernsey        $44,600
Cayman Is       $43,800
Gibraltar       $43,000
Switzerland     $42,600
Australia       $41,000
Austria $40,400
Bahrain $40,300
The world average is;
World   $11,200
But if we look at the most populous Countries;
China   $7,600
Iraq    $3,800
This country was better off economically under Saddam
Another very populous country;
India   $3,500
Here's a country that has 55% of the world's aluminum, worth $100
trillion at today's prices;
Guinea  $1,000
Here's an interesting figure;
Afghanistan     $900
for a country that produces $1 trillion a year in heroin.
Obviously, none of the Afghans are getting any of this money.
Sibel http://youtu.be/C-a2bZtTqdg
Sibel http://youtu.be/DHnIyGWEz_Y
Post by Brad Guth
seems to be lacking in hard
objective facts.
Nonsense.  The money system that's used by your owners to organize the
resources you're allowed to have don't want the majority of people to
live well so you or they don't have enough wealth symbols - money - to
do what you want.  Your owners also own the media by which you learn
about the world.  So, you accept the lies they tell you about why you
and others don't have money.  Your owners understand you better than
you do.  So, your owners are very adept at getting you to direct your
dissatisfaction in ways that benefit your owners while undermining
your own interests.
This state of affairs has nothing at all to do with whether or not
we're capable of providing for ourselves.
Post by Brad Guth
 In other words, you seem to be making up stuff as
you go.
Nonsense.
Post by Brad Guth
No doubt with that future energy derived from fusion energy, plus
nearly everything recycled, and if social/political greed and
corruption could be eliminated without involving world wars,
The engineered collapse is an opportunity for a small cadre of
knowledgeable people to end the present regime.
Post by Brad Guth
we'd be
all set to deal with those 21 billion humans.
Correct.
Post by Brad Guth
Of course the remote
odds of that ever happening is astronomical, especially with not more
than 10% of those 21 billion actually well enough educated and full-
time working, might suggest your plan for our future is kind of
hopeless.
You seem to ignore the reality that your owners who won't provide you
or anyone else with sufficient wealth symbols to do what you desire
and what you are capable of doing - also won't allow you enough money
or knowledge to make use of off-world resources.
Post by Brad Guth
2.1 billion working and getting paid on average a million dollars per
year is only a global budget of $2.1 quadrillion, and that has to
support all 21 billion of us on $100,000 each (-50% tax in order to
pay for all the fancy infrastructure = $50,000/year).
You are clueless as to what it takes.  Taxes are a means to take money
out of your pocket and put it in the pocket of your owner.  Taxes are
not needed.
Post by Brad Guth
So, as long as
there's no inflation or better yet if there were considerable
deflation, it should work like a charm.
You don't understand inflation either.
You don't seem to understand reality, and you don't seem to follow
through on anything that you keep telling us about, and otherwise
nothing of William Mook or Mokenergy can be independently verified.
Apparently you're not half as smart as you claim.

Can you name one other individual or group that William Mook or
Mokenergy has helped?

How does local, state, national and global infrastructure along with
its continued maintenance come to past without a tax or user fee (aka
tolls).

Since Earth is never going to be ruled by any lord Mook, how exactly
do you plan on making any part of your global plan work?

Do you have a sufficient cache of WMD and the army to make us do
exactly as you command?

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William Mook
2011-12-22 15:37:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
Post by Brad Guth
Post by William Mook
We have all we need to allow 21 billion people to live quite well
without adversely impacting the environment.  We will transform the
world in less than 4 years.  Of course, the new centers of power will
be Conarky, Rio, Santiago, Auckland, Sydney, Perth, Johannesburg -
while Paris, Rome, London, Washington, and New York, will be forgotten
remnants of the past associated more with the horrors lies and abuses
than with any of the benefits they claim for themselves today.
Cory http://youtu.be/0SWK6MwmcNQ
Brice http://youtu.be/0y1zhBspJY8
So you're no longer in favor of going after any off-world resources,
I didn't say that.
Post by Brad Guth
because Earth supposedly has more than enough of everything to go
around for accommodating 21 billion humans.
That's true.  21 billion millionaires, with some input from ocean and
off-world rare Earths.
Post by Brad Guth
Considering we can't afford to take proper care of the 7 billion as
is,
That's a meme that's widely circulated and believed.  Its a lie.
Promoted by a media owned and controlled by the people who own you.
It's true most of the 7 billion here now are ill-served by the
existing system of ownership of human beings through nation-state
intermediaries.
The owners don't want the 7 billion to live well.   Its not in their
interest.  It is in their interest to maintain artificial scarcity and
to exploit the inevitable tensions to reduce population through
conflict to maintain 'standards' and preserve the Earth.
Post by Brad Guth
and roughly 90% of those are having to live on less than half of
what the average American consumes,
Americans are not the richest people in the world.
Qatar   $179,000
Liechtenstein   $141,100
Luxembourg      $82,600
Bermuda $69,900
Singapore       $62,100
Jersey  $57,000
Norway  $54,600
Brunei  $51,600
UAE     $49,600
Kuwait  $48,900
The USA is #11;
United States   $47,200
Here's the next 9 - rounding out the top 20;
Andorra $46,700
Hong Kong       $45,900
Guernsey        $44,600
Cayman Is       $43,800
Gibraltar       $43,000
Switzerland     $42,600
Australia       $41,000
Austria $40,400
Bahrain $40,300
The world average is;
World   $11,200
But if we look at the most populous Countries;
China   $7,600
Iraq    $3,800
This country was better off economically under Saddam
Another very populous country;
India   $3,500
Here's a country that has 55% of the world's aluminum, worth $100
trillion at today's prices;
Guinea  $1,000
Here's an interesting figure;
Afghanistan     $900
for a country that produces $1 trillion a year in heroin.
Obviously, none of the Afghans are getting any of this money.
Sibel http://youtu.be/C-a2bZtTqdg
Sibel http://youtu.be/DHnIyGWEz_Y
Post by Brad Guth
seems to be lacking in hard
objective facts.
Nonsense.  The money system that's used by your owners to organize the
resources you're allowed to have don't want the majority of people to
live well so you or they don't have enough wealth symbols - money - to
do what you want.  Your owners also own the media by which you learn
about the world.  So, you accept the lies they tell you about why you
and others don't have money.  Your owners understand you better than
you do.  So, your owners are very adept at getting you to direct your
dissatisfaction in ways that benefit your owners while undermining
your own interests.
This state of affairs has nothing at all to do with whether or not
we're capable of providing for ourselves.
Post by Brad Guth
 In other words, you seem to be making up stuff as
you go.
Nonsense.
Post by Brad Guth
No doubt with that future energy derived from fusion energy, plus
nearly everything recycled, and if social/political greed and
corruption could be eliminated without involving world wars,
The engineered collapse is an opportunity for a small cadre of
knowledgeable people to end the present regime.
Post by Brad Guth
we'd be
all set to deal with those 21 billion humans.
Correct.
Post by Brad Guth
Of course the remote
odds of that ever happening is astronomical, especially with not more
than 10% of those 21 billion actually well enough educated and full-
time working, might suggest your plan for our future is kind of
hopeless.
You seem to ignore the reality that your owners who won't provide you
or anyone else with sufficient wealth symbols to do what you desire
and what you are capable of doing - also won't allow you enough money
or knowledge to make use of off-world resources.
Post by Brad Guth
2.1 billion working and getting paid on average a million dollars per
year is only a global budget of $2.1 quadrillion, and that has to
support all 21 billion of us on $100,000 each (-50% tax in order to
pay for all the fancy infrastructure = $50,000/year).
You are clueless as to what it takes.  Taxes are a means to take money
out of your pocket and put it in the pocket of your owner.  Taxes are
not needed.
Post by Brad Guth
So, as long as
there's no inflation or better yet if there were considerable
deflation, it should work like a charm.
You don't understand inflation either.
You don't seem to understand reality,
As with so many things you say, this statement is not rooted in
reality, but merely in how it makes you feel about yourself.
Post by Brad Guth
and you don't seem to follow
through on anything that you keep telling us about,
Dude, I'm doing all I can and making what progress I can. I am in New
Zealand carrying out my ideas. Those ideas have been rejected by US
leadership.
Post by Brad Guth
and otherwise
nothing of William Mook or Mokenergy can be independently verified.
Nonsense. Patents, industry reports, major news articles, radio
interviews... haha - supply all the information you need to verify
what I say is true.
Post by Brad Guth
Apparently you're not half as smart as you claim.
You don't have to be smart to be successful Brad.
Post by Brad Guth
Can you name one other individual or group that William Mook or
Mokenergy has helped?
I don't know what you mean by helped. Can you give me a comparable
list for yourself so I might understand what it is you're looking for?
Post by Brad Guth
How does local, state, national and global infrastructure along with
its continued maintenance come to past without a tax or user fee (aka
tolls).
Come to pass you mean.

I don't know exactly how this relates to your other questions, but if
you are asking are taxes necessary the answer is no. Sovereigns
create money. That's what it means to be sovereign. Ancient Rome
spent money into existence, and used taxes to control its value. It
taxed the most economically active sections of its economy so that
those taxes were not a burden on the economy. This is how a sovereign
Republic creates and maintains value of its wealth.

The United States today, and every other nation on Earth don't do
this. They rely on privately owned central banks to loan them money
by issuing bonds. These nations then must repay the principal and
interest on the loan to those private owners and in the process give a
large portion - at least 50% - to those owners. The value of currency
is controlled by the bankers. The profitability of business is
controlled by the bankers. The bankers have become sovereign. The
nations have given their sovereignty away because they don't trouble
themselves to understand money. Meanwhile the bank owners through
fractional reserve banking use their ability to increase and decrease
money supply to create business cycles, and buy up the best businesses
gaining control over them. They also control through foundations and
other means Academia. They also control all the media and
advertising. WIth the power of the purse, they also control
government, the judiciary, every aspect of the economy.

In order to restore the Republic we must repeal the National Security
Act of 1947 and Title 28, Section 533 and all agencies, bureaus and
administrations created that flowed from these. We need to have a 12
month look-back on Wall Street transactions - which now stands at
about $3.3 Quadrillion per year - and apply a one time Tobin Tax of
1%. This collects a Federal liability of $33 trillion. Direct the
Federal Reserve to open an account of $33 trillion hypothecated on
this liability and pay interest on it TO the United States, at 2% -
$660 billion - to offset the rate charged on the existing outstanding
loans. Direct the rating agencies to restore AAA status to the United
States, under penalty of law (this is a national security issue)
Establish a 0.2% Tobin Fee and apply $3,673.78 billion per year to
repay the loan (2% on a 10 year term). At $3.3 Quadrillion a 0.2%
Tobin collects $6.6 trillion. This provides a nearly $3.0 trillion
per year which is put into a Federal Reserve Account. The Owners of
the Federal Reserve pay 2% interest on this money. This money is used
as a basis to offset Federal and as it grows, State liabilities.
Eventually, by taxing the most active portions of the economy, and
using it to regulate the value of the Federal Reserve Notes, the
United States (and other nations) can get control over their currency
and their banking system.
Post by Brad Guth
Since Earth is never going to be ruled by any lord Mook,
Listen to you. Why are you so angry at me for having an opinion?
Sheez!
Post by Brad Guth
how exactly
do you plan on making any part of your global plan work?
Well, finding a bank and a national currency that is reasonably
secure. In 2008 the USA had $0.8 trillion in circulation. By 2011
$3.0 trillion- despite a steady 20% fall off in economic activity. In
2008 New Zealand had $25 billion in circulation, and in 2011 $25
billion in circulation - despite a steady 4% per year growth. Look at
who owns the national banks and their background and what they're
involved in. New Zealand scores well there too. So does Canada.
Property law is well established in New Zealand. Families have good
values. Its a nice country.

That's the first step. Getting outside the collapse to a place that
will definitely survive it.

Next, get a business model that works. I gave you an outline above.
I failed to mention the business model, since that isn't the point of
the exercise. Profit is a side effect, not the central goal.

So, with that in mind, do you want to buy a house? The PC1 homes cost
$2.5 million each. There are six available. The PC2 homes cost $2.0
million each, there are 60 available. The PC3 homes $1.75 million
each. There are 180 available.

The first produces $18 million in revenues - enough for the
properties, rates, and supply chain.
The second produces $120 million - again enough to support the growing
supply chain. The third $315 million. The profits earned from these
activities are 100% put back into research to lower the cost of
housing improve the quality and value of the housing, and develop the
innovations touted so long by people like Jacque Fresco and
Buckminster Fuller and others - using my innovation - the fusion
powered self-replicating TBD/mobile factory.

TC1 will have the sales outlined and allow expansion of the small
experimental TBD in PC3.
Post by Brad Guth
Do you have a sufficient cache of WMD and the army to make us do
exactly as you command?
As with so many things you say, this statement makes no sense in the
context of what we're talking about now. Free markets are driven by
free people making voluntary informed decisions using surplus
resources they have at their disposal.

One of the things we must figure out if we wish to preserve the nation
state from total irrelevancy is how to reduce the size and scope of
the Military Industrial Complex and eventually eliminate it. To fail
to do this guarantees the destruction of the nation state and along
with the the abject destruction and dissolution of all military and
intelligence organizations in the future.
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Richard
2011-10-30 22:30:36 UTC
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Post by Warhol
First NASA now NOAA getting ready for what’s coming.
http://www.homelandsecurity.noaa.gov/Check_In.html
Exert;
If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site, please contact us as soon as possible to advise us
that you are safe and with a means of contacting you. This toll free
number can also be used by employees, their families, contractors and
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contractor.
This responsibility strengthens the agency’s ability to prepare for,
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other emergencies by providing a unity of effort and the focal point
of contact for NOAA leadership, Department of Commerce (DOC), the
White House Homeland Security Council, Department of Homeland Security
(DHS), and other interagency partners.
"If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site"
The Plot thickens...... Interesting, and kind of creepy. They even
have an "order of succession" document in case of national
emergency ... ie., in case people at the top are killed. Ewwww...
And this while the Sky Turns BLOOD RED over Europe
So when nothing happens will you commit suicide to join the mother
ship?
Warhol
2011-10-30 23:37:20 UTC
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Post by Warhol
First NASA now NOAA getting ready for what’s coming.
http://www.homelandsecurity.noaa.gov/Check_In.html
Exert;
If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site, please contact us as soon as possible to advise us
that you are safe and with a means of contacting you. This toll free
number can also be used by employees, their families, contractors and
friends to report the whereabouts of another NOAA employee or
contractor.
This responsibility strengthens the agency’s ability to prepare for,
respond to, and recover from terrorist attacks, major disasters, and
other emergencies by providing a unity of effort and the focal point
of contact for NOAA leadership, Department of Commerce (DOC), the
White House Homeland Security Council, Department of Homeland Security
(DHS), and other interagency partners.
"If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site"
The Plot thickens...... Interesting, and kind of creepy. They even
have an "order of succession" document in case of national
emergency ... ie., in case people at the top are killed. Ewwww...
And this while the Sky Turns BLOOD RED over Europe
So when nothing happens will you commit suicide to join the mother
ship?
So you still think nothing is gone to happen... you certainly must be
Saul's son.

The Threat Of FIRE AND BRIMSTONE... get ya telescopes out!
http://www.skymania.com/wp/2011/10/mystery-of-bright-spot-on-uranus.html

We better take a good look at Uranus!

but don't panic yet... first must there be War of the Mongols... Turic
vs Khazars... as written in the scrolls of revelation... the first
beast that comes(already came - The Mavi Marmara) out of the sea to
destroy the whore/harlot state... then you should watch the skies
carefully... because than you will hear a loud voice in heaven...

As for me to commit suicide, that is against all laws of my faith, I
am a warrior you know... so sorry we have bad bet here... certainly I
must admit here that I always win any bet in a world full of
delusional's who prefer to believe lies than listen to wisdom... well
in the scroll's is written they will finish walking my Gran'Da'Dy's
Plank... You should know that my ancestors are the most famous pirates
the world ever has known... and they ransom whole planets... man and
beast pay tribute or they walk the plank.


Richard
2011-10-31 11:36:01 UTC
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On Oct 30, 6:37 pm, Warhol <***@hotmail.com> spewed more looney
pronouncements
in the scroll's is written they will finish walking my peckerwood's
Plank... You should know that my ancestors are the most famous FRUITLOOPS
the world ever has known... and they bore to tears whole planets... man and
beast pay tribute or they have to listen to us rant.
Fixed it for you! No charge.


Warhol
2011-10-31 17:11:06 UTC
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Fixed for you!  No charge.
http://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ
Here I have one fix for you Saul's Son;... Jethro Tull...

Better be there with silver when the Dutch speaking man comes... ha ha
ha... otherwise you will marked with the blackspot... And History is
my witness... none ever has ever escaped the Black Mark... it's on the
record.

Here's the music:


The QarQar attacks anyone marked with the Black Spot, which is
delivered to its victims by Flying Dutchman crewmen and can only be
removed by its captain, Lord of SallyVeas...

Warhol of Bru-Sally on Stranger Tides Extended ...... prepare ship...
Board all enemy ships... At World's End: Fire

"Return Of The Flying Dutchman":


Beware of the most famous of the phantom vessels, supposedly seem in
stormy weather... The Flying Dutchman is a name that has come to be
feared by mariners across the globe. It represents bad luck and is
often considered to be a portent of doom.

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Brad Guth
2011-11-08 22:37:51 UTC
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Post by Warhol
First NASA now NOAA getting ready for what’s coming.
http://www.homelandsecurity.noaa.gov/Check_In.html
Exert;
If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site, please contact us as soon as possible to advise us
that you are safe and with a means of contacting you. This toll free
number can also be used by employees, their families, contractors and
friends to report the whereabouts of another NOAA employee or
contractor.
This responsibility strengthens the agency’s ability to prepare for,
respond to, and recover from terrorist attacks, major disasters, and
other emergencies by providing a unity of effort and the focal point
of contact for NOAA leadership, Department of Commerce (DOC), the
White House Homeland Security Council, Department of Homeland Security
(DHS), and other interagency partners.
"If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site"
The Plot thickens...... Interesting, and kind of creepy. They even
have an "order of succession" document in case of national
emergency ... ie., in case people at the top are killed. Ewwww...
And this while the Sky Turns BLOOD RED over Europe
Loading Image...
Warhol
2011-11-08 23:16:15 UTC
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Post by Warhol
First NASA now NOAA getting ready for what’s coming.
http://www.homelandsecurity.noaa.gov/Check_In.html
Exert;
If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site, please contact us as soon as possible to advise us
that you are safe and with a means of contacting you. This toll free
number can also be used by employees, their families, contractors and
friends to report the whereabouts of another NOAA employee or
contractor.
This responsibility strengthens the agency’s ability to prepare for,
respond to, and recover from terrorist attacks, major disasters, and
other emergencies by providing a unity of effort and the focal point
of contact for NOAA leadership, Department of Commerce (DOC), the
White House Homeland Security Council, Department of Homeland Security
(DHS), and other interagency partners.
"If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site"
The Plot thickens...... Interesting, and kind of creepy. They even
have an "order of succession" document in case of national
emergency ... ie., in case people at the top are killed. Ewwww...
And this while the Sky Turns BLOOD RED over Europe
http://www.cronacamilano.it/wp-content/uploads/tdomf/19358/Asteroide.jpg
is that a rock from your garden? Because it ain't the Rock that killed
Goliath or neither the rock of Thundarr... That rock of your link is
too round to be an asteroid... see that no man deceives you!


Brad Guth
2011-11-12 16:38:23 UTC
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Post by Brad Guth
Post by Warhol
First NASA now NOAA getting ready for what’s coming.
http://www.homelandsecurity.noaa.gov/Check_In.html
Exert;
If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site, please contact us as soon as possible to advise us
that you are safe and with a means of contacting you. This toll free
number can also be used by employees, their families, contractors and
friends to report the whereabouts of another NOAA employee or
contractor.
This responsibility strengthens the agency’s ability to prepare for,
respond to, and recover from terrorist attacks, major disasters, and
other emergencies by providing a unity of effort and the focal point
of contact for NOAA leadership, Department of Commerce (DOC), the
White House Homeland Security Council, Department of Homeland Security
(DHS), and other interagency partners.
"If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site"
The Plot thickens...... Interesting, and kind of creepy. They even
have an "order of succession" document in case of national
emergency ... ie., in case people at the top are killed. Ewwww...
And this while the Sky Turns BLOOD RED over Europe
http://www.cronacamilano.it/wp-content/uploads/tdomf/19358/Asteroide.jpg
is that a rock from your garden? Because it ain't the Rock that killed
Goliath or neither the rock of Thundarr... That rock of your link is
too round to be an asteroid... see that no man deceives you!
http://youtu.be/cbv3LlzdgYU
It's just a perfectly good image of a roundish asteroid/planetoid.
Unfortunately, our NASA/JPL wizards still don't seem to have any clue
as to what YU55 is made of, much less what its mass is worth. I kinda
think they know, but just are not telling because it's much heavier
than most (could easily be worth 8+ g/cm3).

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HVAC
2011-11-12 17:45:08 UTC
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It's just a perfectly good image of a roundish asteroid/planetoid.
Unfortunately, our NASA/JPL wizards still don't seem to have any clue
as to what YU55 is made of, much less what its mass is worth. I kinda
think they know, but just are not telling because it's much heavier
than most (could easily be worth 8+ g/cm3).
Gus, are you SURE you're not jewish?
--
"OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl

Richard
2011-11-10 12:49:05 UTC
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Post by Warhol
First NASA now NOAA getting ready for what’s coming.
http://www.homelandsecurity.noaa.gov/Check_In.html
Exert;
If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site, please contact us as soon as possible to advise us
that you are safe and with a means of contacting you. This toll free
number can also be used by employees, their families, contractors and
friends to report the whereabouts of another NOAA employee or
contractor.
This responsibility strengthens the agency’s ability to prepare for,
respond to, and recover from terrorist attacks, major disasters, and
other emergencies by providing a unity of effort and the focal point
of contact for NOAA leadership, Department of Commerce (DOC), the
White House Homeland Security Council, Department of Homeland Security
(DHS), and other interagency partners.
"If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site"
The Plot thickens...... Interesting, and kind of creepy. They even
have an "order of succession" document in case of national
emergency ... ie., in case people at the top are killed. Ewwww...
And this while the Sky Turns BLOOD RED over Europe
YOU ARE (BIG *SURPRISE*) WRONG. The rock missed us yet again, perhaps
it was your sheeplike bleating that kept it away?

Now go away fruitbat, before I taunt you a second time...you and all
your silly English K-nig-its.

Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelled of elderberries!
Warhol
2011-11-10 17:59:50 UTC
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Post by Warhol
First NASA now NOAA getting ready for what’s coming.
http://www.homelandsecurity.noaa.gov/Check_In.html
Exert;
If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site, please contact us as soon as possible to advise us
that you are safe and with a means of contacting you. This toll free
number can also be used by employees, their families, contractors and
friends to report the whereabouts of another NOAA employee or
contractor.
This responsibility strengthens the agency’s ability to prepare for,
respond to, and recover from terrorist attacks, major disasters, and
other emergencies by providing a unity of effort and the focal point
of contact for NOAA leadership, Department of Commerce (DOC), the
White House Homeland Security Council, Department of Homeland Security
(DHS), and other interagency partners.
"If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site"
The Plot thickens...... Interesting, and kind of creepy. They even
have an "order of succession" document in case of national
emergency ... ie., in case people at the top are killed. Ewwww...
And this while the Sky Turns BLOOD RED over Europe
YOU ARE (BIG *SURPRISE*) WRONG.  The rock missed us yet again, perhaps
it was your sheeplike bleating that kept it away?
Now go away fruitbat, before I taunt you a second time...you and all
your silly English K-nig-its.
Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelled of elderberries!
surprise... surprise... where did I say It would hit? Looser don't try
to put deceiving words on my lips... I Said the unseen dark brother of
yu55 will hit the Atlantic Ocean and destroy many around the Atlantic
Ocean... I also said before this happens the yids state shall be
destroyed by the turic mongols...



You evil losers will soon meet the turic Mongols who will f*ck that
Khazars yids state, they created for the great return of the king of
the Mongols...

So you evil mongol supporters I dare you to find only one post mine
where I say that yu55 will hit earth mother Earth... And you know what
surprise the most??? is that your kind can't read... otherwise you
wouldn't have posted at all...

BTW in all this years i Post in this groups, not one ever has caught
me with words of deceive on the tip of my fingers...

https://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/msg/aae79edcca58fdde?hl=en

So all you yids seek and seek... and you won't find one word of that
which you claim I said... ha ha ha... Saul would persecute me day and
night if he had anything he could use against me... all this years I
promised him doom, poor saul is still awaiting to shot me in the
head... ofcourse that will remain always a dream of the coffee boys...

Now go attack joo berty... he said the world will end on 11-11-11 :
11H 11M 11S... that's in a few hours... Ha Ha Ha... I will be still
here demanding you genteelly to pay silver Ransom or walk the Sallee
Rovers Plank straight into hell.

Today 11/10/11 is the "Full Moon", at (12:00) midnight when it becomes
11/11/11 go out side somewhere dark, look up and you won't believe
what you see!!!! Then get back to me, you'll know if you are one of
the ones that need KNOWLEDGE.

Congratulations all of this rare event that happens only once in a
hundred years!
Richard
2011-11-12 17:21:28 UTC
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Post by Warhol
Post by Warhol
First NASA now NOAA getting ready for what’s coming.
http://www.homelandsecurity.noaa.gov/Check_In.html
Exert;
If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site, please contact us as soon as possible to advise us
that you are safe and with a means of contacting you. This toll free
number can also be used by employees, their families, contractors and
friends to report the whereabouts of another NOAA employee or
contractor.
This responsibility strengthens the agency’s ability to prepare for,
respond to, and recover from terrorist attacks, major disasters, and
other emergencies by providing a unity of effort and the focal point
of contact for NOAA leadership, Department of Commerce (DOC), the
White House Homeland Security Council, Department of Homeland Security
(DHS), and other interagency partners.
"If you are directed or forced to evacuate your current location to an
alternate site"
The Plot thickens...... Interesting, and kind of creepy. They even
have an "order of succession" document in case of national
emergency ... ie., in case people at the top are killed. Ewwww...
And this while the Sky Turns BLOOD RED over Europe
YOU ARE (BIG *SURPRISE*) WRONG.  The rock missed us yet again, perhaps
it was your sheeplike bleating that kept it away?
Now go away fruitbat, before I taunt you a second time...you and all
your silly English K-nig-its.
Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelled of elderberries!
surprise... surprise... where did I say It would hit? Looser don't try
to put deceiving words on my lips... I Said the unseen dark brother of
yu55 will hit the Atlantic Ocean and destroy many around the Atlantic
Ocean... I also said before this happens the yids state shall be
destroyed by the turic mongols...
http://youtu.be/MNs-rhF_bSA
You evil losers will soon meet the turic Mongols who will f*ck that
Khazars yids state, they created for the great return of the king of
the Mongols...
So you evil mongol supporters I dare you to find only one post mine
where I say that yu55 will hit earth mother Earth... And you know what
surprise the most??? is that your kind can't read... otherwise you
wouldn't have posted at all...
BTW in all this years i Post in this groups, not one ever has caught
me with words of deceive on the tip of my fingers...
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/msg/aae79edcca58fdde?hl=en
So all you yids seek and seek... and you won't find one word of that
which you claim I said... ha ha ha... Saul would persecute me day and
night if he had anything he could use against me... all this years I
promised him doom, poor saul is still awaiting to shot me in the
head... ofcourse that will remain always a dream of the coffee boys...
11H 11M 11S... that's in a few hours... Ha Ha Ha... I will be still
here demanding you genteelly to pay silver Ransom or walk the Sallee
Rovers Plank straight into hell.
Today 11/10/11 is the "Full Moon", at (12:00) midnight when it becomes
11/11/11 go out side somewhere dark, look up and you won't believe
what you see!!!! Then get back to me, you'll know if you are one of
the ones that need KNOWLEDGE.
Congratulations all of this rare event that happens only once in a
hundred years!
I'll be damned! you were absolutely right!

I saw a giant marshmallow man step on a church!!!

You are a GOD!!!
Warhol
2011-11-13 09:07:10 UTC