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Heinrich
2010-02-03 20:37:43 UTC
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a russian survivor of sobibor has recognized john demjanjuk as one of the
guards of sobibor this was being reported today by the czech radio.

thye moscow corresponden of said radio station interviewed the 87 year old
alexej vaitsen and showed him a picture of demjanjuk.
*i remember him i remember allof them. he was a guard and i saw him leading
a group of prisoners inbto the woods to labour*

vaisen is a jew from the ukraineen a former military man and is very ill and
he escaped from sobibor in 43 after a riot.

efrain zuroff a nazi hunter from the wiesenthal centre in jerusalem called
the discovery of vaitsen imporant news.
Patrick Keenan
2010-02-03 20:52:26 UTC
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a russian survivor of sobibor has recognized john demjanjuk as one of the
guards of sobibor this was being reported today by the czech radio.
thye moscow corresponden of said radio station interviewed the 87 year old
alexej vaitsen and showed him a picture of demjanjuk.
*i remember him i remember allof them. he was a guard and i saw him
leading a group of prisoners inbto the woods to labour*
vaisen is a jew from the ukraineen a former military man and is very ill
and he escaped from sobibor in 43 after a riot.
efrain zuroff a nazi hunter from the wiesenthal centre in jerusalem called
the discovery of vaitsen imporant news.
And there is, of course, no question that Mr. Demjanjuk that he was indeed a
guard at the camp. He says so himself.

He removed all doubt about that when he cited, in court, his role as a guard
in that camp to prove that he couldn't have been a guard in another camp at
the same time. This admission led to his acquittal.

So, since he has stated that he was a guard there, why would it be suprising
that someone else who was there remembers him?
Heinrich
2010-02-03 20:54:13 UTC
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a russian survivor of sobibor has recognized john demjanjuk as one of the
guards of sobibor this was being reported today by the czech radio.
thye moscow corresponden of said radio station interviewed the 87 year
old alexej vaitsen and showed him a picture of demjanjuk.
*i remember him i remember allof them. he was a guard and i saw him
leading a group of prisoners inbto the woods to labour*
vaisen is a jew from the ukraineen a former military man and is very ill
and he escaped from sobibor in 43 after a riot.
efrain zuroff a nazi hunter from the wiesenthal centre in jerusalem
called the discovery of vaitsen imporant news.
And there is, of course, no question that Mr. Demjanjuk that he was indeed
a guard at the camp. He says so himself.
He removed all doubt about that when he cited, in court, his role as a
guard in that camp to prove that he couldn't have been a guard in another
camp at the same time. This admission led to his acquittal.
So, since he has stated that he was a guard there, why would it be
suprising that someone else who was there remembers him?
after so many years? i cannot even remember what i did a month ago
Patrick Keenan
2010-02-03 21:09:12 UTC
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a russian survivor of sobibor has recognized john demjanjuk as one of the
guards of sobibor this was being reported today by the czech radio.
thye moscow corresponden of said radio station interviewed the 87 year
old alexej vaitsen and showed him a picture of demjanjuk.
*i remember him i remember allof them. he was a guard and i saw him
leading a group of prisoners inbto the woods to labour*
vaisen is a jew from the ukraineen a former military man and is very ill
and he escaped from sobibor in 43 after a riot.
efrain zuroff a nazi hunter from the wiesenthal centre in jerusalem
called the discovery of vaitsen imporant news.
And there is, of course, no question that Mr. Demjanjuk that he was
indeed a guard at the camp. He says so himself.
He removed all doubt about that when he cited, in court, his role as a
guard in that camp to prove that he couldn't have been a guard in another
camp at the same time. This admission led to his acquittal.
So, since he has stated that he was a guard there, why would it be
suprising that someone else who was there remembers him?
after so many years? i cannot even remember what i did a month ago
Don't you also admit to regular and excessive alcohol consumption?

And why should your limitations be
Heinrich
2010-02-03 21:15:37 UTC
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a russian survivor of sobibor has recognized john demjanjuk as one of
the guards of sobibor this was being reported today by the czech radio.
thye moscow corresponden of said radio station interviewed the 87 year
old alexej vaitsen and showed him a picture of demjanjuk.
*i remember him i remember allof them. he was a guard and i saw him
leading a group of prisoners inbto the woods to labour*
vaisen is a jew from the ukraineen a former military man and is very
ill and he escaped from sobibor in 43 after a riot.
efrain zuroff a nazi hunter from the wiesenthal centre in jerusalem
called the discovery of vaitsen imporant news.
And there is, of course, no question that Mr. Demjanjuk that he was
indeed a guard at the camp. He says so himself.
He removed all doubt about that when he cited, in court, his role as a
guard in that camp to prove that he couldn't have been a guard in
another camp at the same time. This admission led to his acquittal.
So, since he has stated that he was a guard there, why would it be
suprising that someone else who was there remembers him?
after so many years? i cannot even remember what i did a month ago
Don't you also admit to regular and excessive alcohol consumption?
And why should your limitations be
in my opinion it has nothing to do with alcohol consumpion. i simply donoo
believe that a human bei'ng's memory can go back so long a period in time.
Patrick Keenan
2010-02-03 21:19:25 UTC
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a russian survivor of sobibor has recognized john demjanjuk as one of
the guards of sobibor this was being reported today by the czech radio.
thye moscow corresponden of said radio station interviewed the 87 year
old alexej vaitsen and showed him a picture of demjanjuk.
*i remember him i remember allof them. he was a guard and i saw him
leading a group of prisoners inbto the woods to labour*
vaisen is a jew from the ukraineen a former military man and is very
ill and he escaped from sobibor in 43 after a riot.
efrain zuroff a nazi hunter from the wiesenthal centre in jerusalem
called the discovery of vaitsen imporant news.
And there is, of course, no question that Mr. Demjanjuk that he was
indeed a guard at the camp. He says so himself.
He removed all doubt about that when he cited, in court, his role as a
guard in that camp to prove that he couldn't have been a guard in
another camp at the same time. This admission led to his acquittal.
So, since he has stated that he was a guard there, why would it be
suprising that someone else who was there remembers him?
after so many years? i cannot even remember what i did a month ago
Don't you also admit to regular and excessive alcohol consumption?
And why should your limitations be
in my opinion it has nothing to do with alcohol consumpion. i simply donoo
believe that a human bei'ng's memory can go back so long a period in time.
Why should your belief trump the experience of others?
Heinrich
2010-02-03 21:25:05 UTC
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a russian survivor of sobibor has recognized john demjanjuk as one of
the guards of sobibor this was being reported today by the czech radio.
thye moscow corresponden of said radio station interviewed the 87
year old alexej vaitsen and showed him a picture of demjanjuk.
*i remember him i remember allof them. he was a guard and i saw him
leading a group of prisoners inbto the woods to labour*
vaisen is a jew from the ukraineen a former military man and is very
ill and he escaped from sobibor in 43 after a riot.
efrain zuroff a nazi hunter from the wiesenthal centre in jerusalem
called the discovery of vaitsen imporant news.
And there is, of course, no question that Mr. Demjanjuk that he was
indeed a guard at the camp. He says so himself.
He removed all doubt about that when he cited, in court, his role as a
guard in that camp to prove that he couldn't have been a guard in
another camp at the same time. This admission led to his acquittal.
So, since he has stated that he was a guard there, why would it be
suprising that someone else who was there remembers him?
after so many years? i cannot even remember what i did a month ago
Don't you also admit to regular and excessive alcohol consumption?
And why should your limitations be
in my opinion it has nothing to do with alcohol consumpion. i simply
donoo believe that a human bei'ng's memory can go back so long a period
in time.
Why should your belief trump the experience of others?
he is in his 80sso he is an old man and the brains of those old people are
not working very well and this also applies to the memoriesof mostpeople.
his was established during the auschwitz trials in the 60s of last century
Patrick Keenan
2010-02-03 21:45:06 UTC
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a russian survivor of sobibor has recognized john demjanjuk as one of
the guards of sobibor this was being reported today by the czech radio.
thye moscow corresponden of said radio station interviewed the 87
year old alexej vaitsen and showed him a picture of demjanjuk.
*i remember him i remember allof them. he was a guard and i saw him
leading a group of prisoners inbto the woods to labour*
vaisen is a jew from the ukraineen a former military man and is very
ill and he escaped from sobibor in 43 after a riot.
efrain zuroff a nazi hunter from the wiesenthal centre in jerusalem
called the discovery of vaitsen imporant news.
And there is, of course, no question that Mr. Demjanjuk that he was
indeed a guard at the camp. He says so himself.
He removed all doubt about that when he cited, in court, his role as
a guard in that camp to prove that he couldn't have been a guard in
another camp at the same time. This admission led to his acquittal.
So, since he has stated that he was a guard there, why would it be
suprising that someone else who was there remembers him?
after so many years? i cannot even remember what i did a month ago
Don't you also admit to regular and excessive alcohol consumption?
And why should your limitations be
in my opinion it has nothing to do with alcohol consumpion. i simply
donoo believe that a human bei'ng's memory can go back so long a period
in time.
Why should your belief trump the experience of others?
he is in his 80sso he is an old man and the brains of those old people are
not working very well
speak for yourself.
Post by Heinrich
and this also applies to the memoriesof mostpeople. his was established
during the auschwitz trials in the 60s of last century
Why should your beliefs trump the experience of others?
Heinrich
2010-02-03 21:47:39 UTC
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a russian survivor of sobibor has recognized john demjanjuk as one
of the guards of sobibor this was being reported today by the czech
radio.
thye moscow corresponden of said radio station interviewed the 87
year old alexej vaitsen and showed him a picture of demjanjuk.
*i remember him i remember allof them. he was a guard and i saw him
leading a group of prisoners inbto the woods to labour*
vaisen is a jew from the ukraineen a former military man and is
very ill and he escaped from sobibor in 43 after a riot.
efrain zuroff a nazi hunter from the wiesenthal centre in jerusalem
called the discovery of vaitsen imporant news.
And there is, of course, no question that Mr. Demjanjuk that he was
indeed a guard at the camp. He says so himself.
He removed all doubt about that when he cited, in court, his role as
a guard in that camp to prove that he couldn't have been a guard in
another camp at the same time. This admission led to his acquittal.
So, since he has stated that he was a guard there, why would it be
suprising that someone else who was there remembers him?
after so many years? i cannot even remember what i did a month ago
Don't you also admit to regular and excessive alcohol consumption?
And why should your limitations be
in my opinion it has nothing to do with alcohol consumpion. i simply
donoo believe that a human bei'ng's memory can go back so long a period
in time.
Why should your belief trump the experience of others?
he is in his 80sso he is an old man and the brains of those old people
are not working very well
speak for yourself.
Post by Heinrich
and this also applies to the memoriesof mostpeople. his was established
during the auschwitz trials in the 60s of last century
Why should your beliefs trump the experience of others?
i gave you my opinion if you donot agree with it so be it
Sara Salzman
2010-02-04 11:01:43 UTC
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a russian survivor of sobibor has recognized john demjanjuk as one of
the guards of sobibor this was being reported today by the czech radio.
thye moscow corresponden of said radio station interviewed the 87
year old alexej vaitsen and showed him a picture of demjanjuk.
*i remember him i remember allof them. he was a guard and i saw him
leading a group of prisoners inbto the woods to labour*
vaisen is a jew from the ukraineen a former military man and is very
ill and he escaped from sobibor in 43 after a riot.
efrain zuroff a nazi hunter from the wiesenthal centre in jerusalem
called the discovery of vaitsen imporant news.
And there is, of course, no question that Mr. Demjanjuk that he was
indeed a guard at the camp. He says so himself.
He removed all doubt about that when he cited, in court, his role as a
guard in that camp to prove that he couldn't have been a guard in
another camp at the same time. This admission led to his acquittal.
So, since he has stated that he was a guard there, why would it be
suprising that someone else who was there remembers him?
after so many years? i cannot even remember what i did a month ago
Don't you also admit to regular and excessive alcohol consumption?
And why should your limitations be
in my opinion it has nothing to do with alcohol consumpion. i simply
donoo believe that a human bei'ng's memory can go back so long a period
in time.
Why should your belief trump the experience of others?
he is in his 80sso he is an old man and the brains of those old people are
not working very well and this also applies to the memoriesof mostpeople.
his was established during the auschwitz trials in the 60s of last century
This has to be one of the most bone-chillingly stupid statements I've
ever read in Usenet.
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The Revd
2010-02-04 11:16:29 UTC
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a russian survivor of sobibor has recognized john demjanjuk as one of
the guards of sobibor this was being reported today by the czech radio.
thye moscow corresponden of said radio station interviewed the 87
year old alexej vaitsen and showed him a picture of demjanjuk.
*i remember him i remember allof them. he was a guard and i saw him
leading a group of prisoners inbto the woods to labour*
vaisen is a jew from the ukraineen a former military man and is very
ill and he escaped from sobibor in 43 after a riot.
efrain zuroff a nazi hunter from the wiesenthal centre in jerusalem
called the discovery of vaitsen imporant news.
And there is, of course, no question that Mr. Demjanjuk that he was
indeed a guard at the camp. He says so himself.
He removed all doubt about that when he cited, in court, his role as a
guard in that camp to prove that he couldn't have been a guard in
another camp at the same time. This admission led to his acquittal.
So, since he has stated that he was a guard there, why would it be
suprising that someone else who was there remembers him?
after so many years? i cannot even remember what i did a month ago
Don't you also admit to regular and excessive alcohol consumption?
And why should your limitations be
in my opinion it has nothing to do with alcohol consumpion. i simply
donoo believe that a human bei'ng's memory can go back so long a period
in time.
Why should your belief trump the experience of others?
he is in his 80sso he is an old man and the brains of those old people are
not working very well and this also applies to the memoriesof mostpeople.
his was established during the auschwitz trials in the 60s of last century
This has to be one of the most bone-chillingly stupid statements I've
ever read in Usenet.
You mean to say you've stopped reading Suzy KKKohen's posts,
Schmaltzman, you obnoxious jew cunt?
The Peeler
2010-02-04 12:54:45 UTC
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a russian survivor of sobibor has recognized john demjanjuk as one of
the guards of sobibor this was being reported today by the czech radio.
thye moscow corresponden of said radio station interviewed the 87
year old alexej vaitsen and showed him a picture of demjanjuk.
*i remember him i remember allof them. he was a guard and i saw him
leading a group of prisoners inbto the woods to labour*
vaisen is a jew from the ukraineen a former military man and is very
ill and he escaped from sobibor in 43 after a riot.
efrain zuroff a nazi hunter from the wiesenthal centre in jerusalem
called the discovery of vaitsen imporant news.
And there is, of course, no question that Mr. Demjanjuk that he was
indeed a guard at the camp. He says so himself.
He removed all doubt about that when he cited, in court, his role as a
guard in that camp to prove that he couldn't have been a guard in
another camp at the same time. This admission led to his acquittal.
So, since he has stated that he was a guard there, why would it be
suprising that someone else who was there remembers him?
after so many years? i cannot even remember what i did a month ago
Don't you also admit to regular and excessive alcohol consumption?
And why should your limitations be
in my opinion it has nothing to do with alcohol consumpion. i simply
donoo believe that a human bei'ng's memory can go back so long a period
in time.
Why should your belief trump the experience of others?
he is in his 80sso he is an old man and the brains of those old people are
not working very well and this also applies to the memoriesof mostpeople.
his was established during the auschwitz trials in the 60s of last century
This has to be one of the most bone-chillingly stupid statements I've
ever read in Usenet.
You mean to say you've stopped reading Suzy KKKohen's posts,
Schmaltzman, you obnoxious jew cunt?
LOL The Retd finds himself in agreement with Dumb Heini! I never believed I
would say something like that, but: this reflects badly on you, The Retd!
LMAO!
Heinrich
2010-02-04 13:11:17 UTC
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a russian survivor of sobibor has recognized john demjanjuk as one of
the guards of sobibor this was being reported today by the czech radio.
thye moscow corresponden of said radio station interviewed the 87
year old alexej vaitsen and showed him a picture of demjanjuk.
*i remember him i remember allof them. he was a guard and i saw him
leading a group of prisoners inbto the woods to labour*
vaisen is a jew from the ukraineen a former military man and is very
ill and he escaped from sobibor in 43 after a riot.
efrain zuroff a nazi hunter from the wiesenthal centre in jerusalem
called the discovery of vaitsen imporant news.
And there is, of course, no question that Mr. Demjanjuk that he was
indeed a guard at the camp. He says so himself.
He removed all doubt about that when he cited, in court, his role as a
guard in that camp to prove that he couldn't have been a guard in
another camp at the same time. This admission led to his acquittal.
So, since he has stated that he was a guard there, why would it be
suprising that someone else who was there remembers him?
after so many years? i cannot even remember what i did a month ago
Don't you also admit to regular and excessive alcohol consumption?
And why should your limitations be
in my opinion it has nothing to do with alcohol consumpion. i simply
donoo believe that a human bei'ng's memory can go back so long a period
in time.
Why should your belief trump the experience of others?
he is in his 80sso he is an old man and the brains of those old people are
not working very well and this also applies to the memoriesof mostpeople.
his was established during the auschwitz trials in the 60s of last century
This has to be one of the most bone-chillingly stupid statements I've
ever read in Usenet.
You mean to say you've stopped reading Suzy KKKohen's posts,
Schmaltzman, you obnoxious jew cunt?
LOL The Retd finds himself in agreement with Dumb Heini! I never believed I
would say something like that, but: this reflects badly on you, The Retd!
LMAO!
stop acting like retard you old goat
The Peeler
2010-02-04 14:23:31 UTC
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You mean to say you've stopped reading Suzy KKKohen's posts,
Schmaltzman, you obnoxious jew cunt?
LOL The Retd finds himself in agreement with Dumb Heini! I never believed I
would say something like that, but: this reflects badly on you, The Retd!
LMAO!
stop acting like retard you old goat
Seven words only, and our retarded Dumb Heini can't avoid a mistake! LOL
Heinrich
2010-02-04 14:34:16 UTC
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You mean to say you've stopped reading Suzy KKKohen's posts,
Schmaltzman, you obnoxious jew cunt?
LOL The Retd finds himself in agreement with Dumb Heini! I never
believed
I
would say something like that, but: this reflects badly on you, The Retd!
LMAO!
stop acting like retard you old goat
Seven words only, and our retarded Dumb Heini can't avoid a mistake! LOL
as the good reverend already poined out t you you should do something abou
your english
The Peeler
2010-02-04 14:59:34 UTC
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Seven words only, and our retarded Dumb Heini can't avoid a mistake! LOL
as the good reverend already poined out t you you should do something abou
your english
AHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!! ONE sentence and THREE mistakes in it! Just keep
entertaining us like that, Dumb Heini!
The Revd
2010-02-04 13:12:21 UTC
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a russian survivor of sobibor has recognized john demjanjuk as one of
the guards of sobibor this was being reported today by the czech radio.
thye moscow corresponden of said radio station interviewed the 87
year old alexej vaitsen and showed him a picture of demjanjuk.
*i remember him i remember allof them. he was a guard and i saw him
leading a group of prisoners inbto the woods to labour*
vaisen is a jew from the ukraineen a former military man and is very
ill and he escaped from sobibor in 43 after a riot.
efrain zuroff a nazi hunter from the wiesenthal centre in jerusalem
called the discovery of vaitsen imporant news.
And there is, of course, no question that Mr. Demjanjuk that he was
indeed a guard at the camp. He says so himself.
He removed all doubt about that when he cited, in court, his role as a
guard in that camp to prove that he couldn't have been a guard in
another camp at the same time. This admission led to his acquittal.
So, since he has stated that he was a guard there, why would it be
suprising that someone else who was there remembers him?
after so many years? i cannot even remember what i did a month ago
Don't you also admit to regular and excessive alcohol consumption?
And why should your limitations be
in my opinion it has nothing to do with alcohol consumpion. i simply
donoo believe that a human bei'ng's memory can go back so long a period
in time.
Why should your belief trump the experience of others?
he is in his 80sso he is an old man and the brains of those old people are
not working very well and this also applies to the memoriesof mostpeople.
his was established during the auschwitz trials in the 60s of last century
This has to be one of the most bone-chillingly stupid statements I've
ever read in Usenet.
You mean to say you've stopped reading Suzy KKKohen's posts,
Schmaltzman, you obnoxious jew cunt?
LOL The Retd finds himself in agreement with Dumb Heini! I never believed I
would say something like that, but: this reflects badly on you, The Retd!
LMAO!
LOL. Do you really intend to start sucking Sarah Schmaltzmann's dirty
jew ass the same way you suck Suzy KKKohen's? How disgusting!!!

<Bugger Grease>
The Peeler
2010-02-04 14:10:04 UTC
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he is in his 80sso he is an old man and the brains of those old people are
not working very well and this also applies to the memoriesof mostpeople.
his was established during the auschwitz trials in the 60s of last century
This has to be one of the most bone-chillingly stupid statements I've
ever read in Usenet.
You mean to say you've stopped reading Suzy KKKohen's posts,
Schmaltzman, you obnoxious jew cunt?
LOL The Retd finds himself in agreement with Dumb Heini! I never believed I
would say something like that, but: this reflects badly on you, The Retd!
LMAO!
LOL. Do you really intend to start sucking Sarah Schmaltzmann's dirty
jew ass the same way you suck Suzy KKKohen's? How disgusting!!!
<Bugger Grease>
Watch our housebound sexual cripple desperately trying to cope with his
endless painful frustration! Slowly working towards your first tiny
miserable online orgasm today again, you mentally, emotionally and sexually
crippled poor psycho? LOL
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a russian survivor of sobibor has recognized john demjanjuk as one of
the guards of sobibor this was being reported today by the czech radio.
thye moscow corresponden of said radio station interviewed the 87
year old alexej vaitsen and showed him a picture of demjanjuk.
*i remember him i remember allof them. he was a guard and i saw him
leading a group of prisoners inbto the woods to labour*
vaisen is a jew from the ukraineen a former military man and is very
ill and he escaped from sobibor in 43 after a riot.
efrain zuroff a nazi hunter from the wiesenthal centre in jerusalem
called the discovery of vaitsen imporant news.
And there is, of course, no question that Mr. Demjanjuk that he was
indeed a guard at the camp. He says so himself.
He removed all doubt about that when he cited, in court, his role as a
guard in that camp to prove that he couldn't have been a guard in
another camp at the same time. This admission led to his acquittal.
So, since he has stated that he was a guard there, why would it be
suprising that someone else who was there remembers him?
after so many years? i cannot even remember what i did a month ago
Don't you also admit to regular and excessive alcohol consumption?
And why should your limitations be
in my opinion it has nothing to do with alcohol consumpion. i simply
donoo believe that a human bei'ng's memory can go back so long a period
in time.
Why should your belief trump the experience of others?
he is in his 80sso he is an old man and the brains of those old people are
not working very well and this also applies to the memoriesof mostpeople.
his was established during the auschwitz trials in the 60s of last century
This has to be one of the most bone-chillingly stupid statements I've
ever read in Usenet.
old people of his age and even most people of a younger age it is impossible
what has happened so long a period ago but no sweat sarah the jews will see
to it that demjanjuk is goi9ng too hang.
Tilly
2010-02-06 06:06:10 UTC
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a russian survivor of sobibor has recognized john demjanjuk as one of
the guards of sobibor this was being reported today by the czech radio.
thye moscow corresponden of said radio station interviewed the 87
year old alexej vaitsen and showed him a picture of demjanjuk.
*i remember him i remember allof them. he was a guard and i saw him
leading a group of prisoners inbto the woods to labour*
vaisen is a jew from the ukraineen a former military man and is very
ill and he escaped from sobibor in 43 after a riot.
efrain zuroff a nazi hunter from the wiesenthal centre in jerusalem
called the discovery of vaitsen imporant news.
And there is, of course, no question that Mr. Demjanjuk that he was
indeed a guard at the camp. He says so himself.
He removed all doubt about that when he cited, in court, his role as a
guard in that camp to prove that he couldn't have been a guard in
another camp at the same time. This admission led to his acquittal.
So, since he has stated that he was a guard there, why would it be
suprising that someone else who was there remembers him?
after so many years? i cannot even remember what i did a month ago
Don't you also admit to regular and excessive alcohol consumption?
And why should your limitations be
in my opinion it has nothing to do with alcohol consumpion. i simply
donoo believe that a human bei'ng's memory can go back so long a period
in time.
Why should your belief trump the experience of others?
he is in his 80sso he is an old man and the brains of those old people are
not working very well and this also applies to the memoriesof mostpeople.
his was established during the auschwitz trials in the 60s of last century
This has to be one of the most bone-chillingly stupid statements I've
ever read in Usenet.
old people of his age and even most people of a younger age it is
impossible what has happened so long a period ago but no sweat sarah the
jews will see to it that demjanjuk is goi9ng too hang.
Just because your own memory is bad doesn't mean everyone elses is. My
grandmother had a memory hat was tas sharp as a razor till the day she died
and she
was of a similar age as the witness when she died..
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Al Smith
2010-02-06 06:43:26 UTC
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a russian survivor of sobibor has recognized john demjanjuk as one of
the guards of sobibor this was being reported today by the czech radio.
thye moscow corresponden of said radio station interviewed the 87
year old alexej vaitsen and showed him a picture of demjanjuk.
*i remember him i remember allof them. he was a guard and i saw him
leading a group of prisoners inbto the woods to labour*
vaisen is a jew from the ukraineen a former military man and is very
ill and he escaped from sobibor in 43 after a riot.
efrain zuroff a nazi hunter from the wiesenthal centre in jerusalem
called the discovery of vaitsen imporant news.
And there is, of course, no question that Mr. Demjanjuk that he was
indeed a guard at the camp. He says so himself.
He removed all doubt about that when he cited, in court, his role as a
guard in that camp to prove that he couldn't have been a guard in
another camp at the same time. This admission led to his acquittal.
So, since he has stated that he was a guard there, why would it be
suprising that someone else who was there remembers him?
after so many years? i cannot even remember what i did a month ago
Don't you also admit to regular and excessive alcohol consumption?
And why should your limitations be
in my opinion it has nothing to do with alcohol consumpion. i simply
donoo believe that a human bei'ng's memory can go back so long a period
in time.
Why should your belief trump the experience of others?
he is in his 80sso he is an old man and the brains of those old people are
not working very well and this also applies to the memoriesof mostpeople.
his was established during the auschwitz trials in the 60s of last century
This has to be one of the most bone-chillingly stupid statements I've
ever read in Usenet.
old people of his age and even most people of a younger age it is
impossible what has happened so long a period ago but no sweat sarah the
jews will see to it that demjanjuk is goi9ng too hang.
Just because your own memory is bad doesn't mean everyone elses is. My
grandmother had a memory hat was tas sharp as a razor till the day she died
and she
was of a similar age as the witness when she died..
It's absurd. Nobody could reliably remember somone's face who was
in their early 20s some 65 years later. The "witness" is
undoubtedly a volunteer who wants to do something noble and
praiseworthy that will get him or her noticed in the press. The
witness has no doubt seen Demjanjuk's face numerous times ... in
magazine and newspaper and television images. The witness is
certainly sure beyond doubt that Demjanjuk is guilty of something
and needs to be punished, because, after all, look at how many
people are accusing Demjanjuk, and there's no smoke without fire,
is there? The witness will have been told of some distinguishing
mark on Demjanjuk's body by some "careless" individual connected
with the police or the courts or Mossad or the press or a Zionist
action group, and the witness will be willing to swear that he, or
she, saw that mark in the concentration camp. It's all so fucking
predictable, and so depressing.

-Al-
Heinrich
2010-02-06 07:26:39 UTC
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a russian survivor of sobibor has recognized john demjanjuk as
one
of
the guards of sobibor this was being reported today by the czech radio.
thye moscow corresponden of said radio station interviewed the 87
year old alexej vaitsen and showed him a picture of demjanjuk.
*i remember him i remember allof them. he was a guard and i saw him
leading a group of prisoners inbto the woods to labour*
vaisen is a jew from the ukraineen a former military man and is very
ill and he escaped from sobibor in 43 after a riot.
efrain zuroff a nazi hunter from the wiesenthal centre in jerusalem
called the discovery of vaitsen imporant news.
And there is, of course, no question that Mr. Demjanjuk that he was
indeed a guard at the camp. He says so himself.
He removed all doubt about that when he cited, in court, his role as a
guard in that camp to prove that he couldn't have been a guard in
another camp at the same time. This admission led to his acquittal.
So, since he has stated that he was a guard there, why would it be
suprising that someone else who was there remembers him?
after so many years? i cannot even remember what i did a month ago
Don't you also admit to regular and excessive alcohol consumption?
And why should your limitations be
in my opinion it has nothing to do with alcohol consumpion. i simply
donoo believe that a human bei'ng's memory can go back so long a period
in time.
Why should your belief trump the experience of others?
he is in his 80sso he is an old man and the brains of those old people are
not working very well and this also applies to the memoriesof mostpeople.
his was established during the auschwitz trials in the 60s of last century
This has to be one of the most bone-chillingly stupid statements I've
ever read in Usenet.
old people of his age and even most people of a younger age it is
impossible what has happened so long a period ago but no sweat sarah the
jews will see to it that demjanjuk is goi9ng too hang.
Just because your own memory is bad doesn't mean everyone elses is. My
grandmother had a memory hat was tas sharp as a razor till the day she died
and she
was of a similar age as the witness when she died..
It's absurd. Nobody could reliably remember somone's face who was in their
early 20s some 65 years later. The "witness" is undoubtedly a volunteer
who wants to do something noble and praiseworthy that will get him or her
noticed in the press. The witness has no doubt seen Demjanjuk's face
numerous times ... in magazine and newspaper and television images. The
witness is certainly sure beyond doubt that Demjanjuk is guilty of
something and needs to be punished, because, after all, look at how many
people are accusing Demjanjuk, and there's no smoke without fire, is
there? The witness will have been told of some distinguishing mark on
Demjanjuk's body by some "careless" individual connected with the police
or the courts or Mossad or the press or a Zionist action group, and the
witness will be willing to swear that he, or she, saw that mark in the
concentration camp. It's all so fucking predictable, and so depressing.
-Al-
exactllymythoughts
Al Smith
2010-02-06 16:54:55 UTC
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a russian survivor of sobibor has recognized john demjanjuk
as one
of
the guards of sobibor this was being reported today by the
czech
radio.
thye moscow corresponden of said radio station interviewed the 87
year old alexej vaitsen and showed him a picture of demjanjuk.
*i remember him i remember allof them. he was a guard and i saw him
leading a group of prisoners inbto the woods to labour*
vaisen is a jew from the ukraineen a former military man and is very
ill and he escaped from sobibor in 43 after a riot.
efrain zuroff a nazi hunter from the wiesenthal centre in jerusalem
called the discovery of vaitsen imporant news.
And there is, of course, no question that Mr. Demjanjuk that he was
indeed a guard at the camp. He says so himself.
He removed all doubt about that when he cited, in court, his
role
as a
guard in that camp to prove that he couldn't have been a guard in
another camp at the same time. This admission led to his
acquittal.
So, since he has stated that he was a guard there, why would it be
suprising that someone else who was there remembers him?
after so many years? i cannot even remember what i did a month
ago
Don't you also admit to regular and excessive alcohol consumption?
And why should your limitations be
in my opinion it has nothing to do with alcohol consumpion. i simply
donoo believe that a human bei'ng's memory can go back so long a period
in time.
Why should your belief trump the experience of others?
he is in his 80sso he is an old man and the brains of those old
people
are
not working very well and this also applies to the memoriesof mostpeople.
his was established during the auschwitz trials in the 60s of last century
This has to be one of the most bone-chillingly stupid statements I've
ever read in Usenet.
old people of his age and even most people of a younger age it is
impossible what has happened so long a period ago but no sweat sarah the
jews will see to it that demjanjuk is goi9ng too hang.
Just because your own memory is bad doesn't mean everyone elses is. My
grandmother had a memory hat was tas sharp as a razor till the day she died
and she
was of a similar age as the witness when she died..
It's absurd. Nobody could reliably remember somone's face who was in
their early 20s some 65 years later. The "witness" is undoubtedly a
volunteer who wants to do something noble and praiseworthy that will
get him or her noticed in the press. The witness has no doubt seen
Demjanjuk's face numerous times ... in magazine and newspaper and
television images. The witness is certainly sure beyond doubt that
Demjanjuk is guilty of something and needs to be punished, because,
after all, look at how many people are accusing Demjanjuk, and there's
no smoke without fire, is there? The witness will have been told of
some distinguishing mark on Demjanjuk's body by some "careless"
individual connected with the police or the courts or Mossad or the
press or a Zionist action group, and the witness will be willing to
swear that he, or she, saw that mark in the concentration camp. It's
all so fucking predictable, and so depressing.
-Al-
exactllymythoughts
The entire subject of the so-called Holocaust is one of those
areas where reason and objectivity fly out the window, even for
many intelligent commentators, and leave only insults and
accusations. We're talking about historical events. It's insane
that people can be sent to *prison* for periods of *years* in
supposedly enlightened Europe for *talking* about a set of
historical events. Insane. It shows how much power over the West
the Zionists have, and how badly they abuse it.

-Al-
Kenneth McVay OBC
2010-02-07 18:30:10 UTC
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In article <z9hbn.62661$***@edtnps83>,
Al Smith <***@address.com> wrote:

[...]
Post by Al Smith
The entire subject of the so-called Holocaust is one of those
areas where reason and objectivity fly out the window, even for
many intelligent commentators, and leave only insults and
accusations. We're talking about historical events. It's insane
that people can be sent to *prison* for periods of *years* in
supposedly enlightened Europe for *talking* about a set of
historical events. Insane. It shows how much power over the West
the Zionists have, and how badly they abuse it.
No one in Europe or North America has ever been sent to
*prison* for "talking" about a set of historical
events, Mr. "Smith." You're lying.

Of course, you already knew that.
--
"The Nizkor website (secretly financed by the ADL and other Jewish front
organizations) is behind it." (David Irving, whining about Google's
reminder of his disgrace.) The facts:
http://nizkor.org/hweb/people/i/irving-david/judgment-00-00.html
The Peeler
2010-02-06 13:29:37 UTC
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Why should your belief trump the experience of others?
he is in his 80sso he is an old man and the brains of those old people are
not working very well and this also applies to the memoriesof mostpeople.
his was established during the auschwitz trials in the 60s of last century
This has to be one of the most bone-chillingly stupid statements I've
ever read in Usenet.
old people of his age and even most people of a younger age it is
impossible what has happened so long a period ago but no sweat sarah the
jews will see to it that demjanjuk is goi9ng too hang.
Just because your own memory is bad doesn't mean everyone elses is. My
grandmother had a memory hat was tas sharp as a razor till the day she died
and she
was of a similar age as the witness when she died..
It's absurd. Nobody could reliably remember somone's face who was
in their early 20s some 65 years later. The "witness" is
undoubtedly a volunteer who wants to do something noble and
praiseworthy that will get him or her noticed in the press. The
witness has no doubt seen Demjanjuk's face numerous times ... in
magazine and newspaper and television images. The witness is
certainly sure beyond doubt that Demjanjuk is guilty of something
and needs to be punished, because, after all, look at how many
people are accusing Demjanjuk, and there's no smoke without fire,
is there? The witness will have been told of some distinguishing
mark on Demjanjuk's body by some "careless" individual connected
with the police or the courts or Mossad or the press or a Zionist
action group, and the witness will be willing to swear that he, or
she, saw that mark in the concentration camp. It's all so fucking
predictable, and so depressing.
-Al-
You know that EVRYTHING you said is pure interpretation. It will be for the
court to assess whether it *might* be like that.
Al Smith
2010-02-06 16:56:25 UTC
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Post by Patrick Keenan
Why should your belief trump the experience of others?
he is in his 80sso he is an old man and the brains of those old people are
not working very well and this also applies to the memoriesof mostpeople.
his was established during the auschwitz trials in the 60s of last century
This has to be one of the most bone-chillingly stupid statements I've
ever read in Usenet.
old people of his age and even most people of a younger age it is
impossible what has happened so long a period ago but no sweat sarah the
jews will see to it that demjanjuk is goi9ng too hang.
Just because your own memory is bad doesn't mean everyone elses is. My
grandmother had a memory hat was tas sharp as a razor till the day she died
and she
was of a similar age as the witness when she died..
It's absurd. Nobody could reliably remember somone's face who was
in their early 20s some 65 years later. The "witness" is
undoubtedly a volunteer who wants to do something noble and
praiseworthy that will get him or her noticed in the press. The
witness has no doubt seen Demjanjuk's face numerous times ... in
magazine and newspaper and television images. The witness is
certainly sure beyond doubt that Demjanjuk is guilty of something
and needs to be punished, because, after all, look at how many
people are accusing Demjanjuk, and there's no smoke without fire,
is there? The witness will have been told of some distinguishing
mark on Demjanjuk's body by some "careless" individual connected
with the police or the courts or Mossad or the press or a Zionist
action group, and the witness will be willing to swear that he, or
she, saw that mark in the concentration camp. It's all so fucking
predictable, and so depressing.
-Al-
You know that EVRYTHING you said is pure interpretation. It will be for the
court to assess whether it *might* be like that.
The court will do whatever it decides to do. After 65 years, there
will be no justice in it, unless they release Demjanjuk and rule
that he should not be persecuted any further.

-Al-
The Peeler
2010-02-06 18:19:50 UTC
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Why should your belief trump the experience of others?
he is in his 80sso he is an old man and the brains of those old people are
not working very well and this also applies to the memoriesof mostpeople.
his was established during the auschwitz trials in the 60s of last century
This has to be one of the most bone-chillingly stupid statements I've
ever read in Usenet.
old people of his age and even most people of a younger age it is
impossible what has happened so long a period ago but no sweat sarah the
jews will see to it that demjanjuk is goi9ng too hang.
Just because your own memory is bad doesn't mean everyone elses is. My
grandmother had a memory hat was tas sharp as a razor till the day she died
and she
was of a similar age as the witness when she died..
It's absurd. Nobody could reliably remember somone's face who was
in their early 20s some 65 years later. The "witness" is
undoubtedly a volunteer who wants to do something noble and
praiseworthy that will get him or her noticed in the press. The
witness has no doubt seen Demjanjuk's face numerous times ... in
magazine and newspaper and television images. The witness is
certainly sure beyond doubt that Demjanjuk is guilty of something
and needs to be punished, because, after all, look at how many
people are accusing Demjanjuk, and there's no smoke without fire,
is there? The witness will have been told of some distinguishing
mark on Demjanjuk's body by some "careless" individual connected
with the police or the courts or Mossad or the press or a Zionist
action group, and the witness will be willing to swear that he, or
she, saw that mark in the concentration camp. It's all so fucking
predictable, and so depressing.
-Al-
You know that EVRYTHING you said is pure interpretation. It will be for the
court to assess whether it *might* be like that.
The court will do whatever it decides to do. After 65 years, there
will be no justice in it, unless they release Demjanjuk and rule
that he should not be persecuted any further.
-Al-
If he is found guilty of the crimes he is being accused of, he should and
will be sentenced of course. If he is found guilty of minor crimes
(including even murder on a smaller scale) he will most likely be freed.
Kenneth McVay OBC
2010-02-07 18:32:16 UTC
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In article <Zahbn.62662$***@edtnps83>,
Al Smith <***@address.com> wrote:

[...]
Post by Al Smith
The court will do whatever it decides to do. After 65 years, there
will be no justice in it, unless they release Demjanjuk and rule
that he should not be persecuted any further.
That is, strangely enough, what courts DO. Apparently
Mr. "Smith" believes that there should be a statute of
limitations on mass murder.

Gee, what a surprise. Mr. "Smith" is lying. Again.
--
"The Nizkor website (secretly financed by the ADL and other Jewish front
organizations) is behind it." (David Irving, whining about Google's
reminder of his disgrace.) The facts:
http://nizkor.org/hweb/people/i/irving-david/judgment-00-00.html
Kenneth McVay OBC
2010-02-07 18:28:01 UTC
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Al Smith <***@address.com> wrote:

[...]
Post by Al Smith
It's absurd. Nobody could reliably remember somone's face who was
in their early 20s some 65 years later.
Nonsense, Mr. "Smith." I know many folks - including
myself - who, upon seeing a childhood friend from 60
years ago, recall their names and many other things
about them.
Post by Al Smith
The "witness" is
undoubtedly a volunteer who wants to do something noble and
praiseworthy that will get him or her noticed in the press. The
witness has no doubt seen Demjanjuk's face numerous times ... in
magazine and newspaper and television images. The witness is
certainly sure beyond doubt that Demjanjuk is guilty of something
and needs to be punished, because, after all, look at how many
people are accusing Demjanjuk, and there's no smoke without fire,
is there? The witness will have been told of some distinguishing
mark on Demjanjuk's body by some "careless" individual connected
with the police or the courts or Mossad or the press or a Zionist
action group, and the witness will be willing to swear that he, or
she, saw that mark in the concentration camp. It's all so fucking
predictable, and so depressing.
What is predictable here is your attempt to whitewash
the fact that an accused mass murderer is being brought
before the bar.

Deniers - nazi apologists and racists in drag.
--
"The Nizkor website (secretly financed by the ADL and other Jewish front
organizations) is behind it." (David Irving, whining about Google's
reminder of his disgrace.) The facts:
http://nizkor.org/hweb/people/i/irving-david/judgment-00-00.html
Bolt Upright
2010-02-06 22:38:08 UTC
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a russian survivor of sobibor has recognized john demjanjuk as one of
the guards of sobibor this was being reported today by the czech radio.
thye moscow corresponden of said radio station interviewed the 87
year old alexej vaitsen and showed him a picture of demjanjuk.
*i remember him i remember allof them. he was a guard and i saw him
leading a group of prisoners inbto the woods to labour*
vaisen is a jew from the ukraineen a former military man and is very
ill and he escaped from sobibor in 43 after a riot.
efrain zuroff a nazi hunter from the wiesenthal centre in jerusalem
called the discovery of vaitsen imporant news.
And there is, of course, no question that Mr. Demjanjuk that he was
indeed a guard at the camp. He says so himself.
He removed all doubt about that when he cited, in court, his role as a
guard in that camp to prove that he couldn't have been a guard in
another camp at the same time. This admission led to his acquittal.
So, since he has stated that he was a guard there, why would it be
suprising that someone else who was there remembers him?
after so many years? i cannot even remember what i did a month ago
Don't you also admit to regular and excessive alcohol consumption?
And why should your limitations be
in my opinion it has nothing to do with alcohol consumpion. i simply
donoo believe that a human bei'ng's memory can go back so long a period
in time.
Why should your belief trump the experience of others?
he is in his 80sso he is an old man and the brains of those old people are
not working very well and this also applies to the memoriesof mostpeople.
his was established during the auschwitz trials in the 60s of last century
This has to be one of the most bone-chillingly stupid statements I've
ever read in Usenet.
old people of his age and even most people of a younger age it is
impossible what has happened so long a period ago but no sweat sarah the
jews will see to it that demjanjuk is goi9ng too hang.
Just because your own memory is bad doesn't mean everyone elses is. My
grandmother had a memory hat was tas sharp as a razor till the day she died
and she
was of a similar age as the witness when she died..
Even so Tilly, you can't accept the testimony of such people about
events that happened over 65 years ago. Remember when Demjanjuk was
being tried in Tel Aviv? They had Treblinka survivours standing in front
of the accused screaming that he was Ivan Marchenko (Ivan the Terrible),
that they remembered his eyes. These people may indeed be sincere, but
they have seen such horrors that they desperately want to finally be
able to punish one of their tormentors, and the emotion clouds their
judgment. You can hardly consider their evidence as reliable testimony
if you have any claim to impartiality. FWIW, the best thing for everyone
concerned would be if Demjanjuk were to drop down dead of a massive
aneurysm right now. Nothing is served for anyone by continuing this
farcical show trial if for no other reason that the evidence has
deteriorated so badly as to make a conviction beyond any doubt highly
unlikely.
Al Smith
2010-02-06 23:02:33 UTC
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FWIW, the best thing for everyone
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concerned would be if Demjanjuk were to drop down dead of a massive
aneurysm right now.
Considering how unmercifully the poor old man has been persecuted
for so many years, that's not unlikely. However, I would not
regard it as a just outcome. Now, if his persecutors were all to
drop dead ... that would be justice.

-Al-
Doc Tony
2010-02-06 23:53:16 UTC
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FWIW, the best thing for everyone
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concerned would be if Demjanjuk were to drop down dead of a massive
aneurysm right now.
Considering how unmercifully the poor old man has been persecuted for so
many years, that's not unlikely. However, I would not regard it as a
just outcome. Now, if his persecutors were all to drop dead ... that
would be justice.
-Al-
And there you have it! You make the call on that bit of purveyed
'justice' [!?] as AR nym, Al "not personally involved®" Smith, sees it.
Al, you 'do' know that this trial is in Germany and not in Israel, yes?
Just checking! You also give the impression that the trial is simply
some sort of one-sided J'accuse recitation especially by the himself 87
year old 'witness', one Alexei Weizen, and then Demjanjuk is wheeled
away, so to speak, and the case concluded forthwith but Demjanjuk has
not just the right of defense counsel but he is in fact duly represented
by Günther Maull and certainly the witness and the alleged
identification will be a focal point of the defense as a matter not so
much of and for the law itself but of common sense! So too, defense
counsel is well aware of the amount of years that have gone by for such
an identification and I believe he knows that without any need for
prompting and foot stomping from you to consider that issue.

It appears you already have the trial verdict in hand, Al, and my
question to you is how is this possible? Right now the trial is in
recess [as of February 4th] due to the defendant's health but it's
hardly over. The defendant also has the right of appeal [under German
law] even if he is found guilty but 'first' it seems prudent to at least
see what happens NOW before you make with the usual hand wringing and a
guilty verdict that has 'not' come in at this time. Why not leave the
matter to the defense counsel, Al, and see what happens or is it a case,
Al, where you and certain others, feel that the verdict has already been
determined well in advance ... you know, the demands of, as you put it,
"a small elite" who allegedly 'control' the BRD and, indeed, to hear
some revisionists say it, even the EU itself much less the BRD!

Get back to me on my other post to you, Al. Bad enough "Papagei®" Ebe
has made with the size 17-EEE track shoes for the last year and has been
beating feet ever since, why add your nym to the runner list, yes?


Doc Tony
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"I will not Tanz to the Jewish Fidel!" [sic -- Kurt "alte Puppe®" Knoll]

;-)
Doc Tony
2010-02-07 01:46:50 UTC
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FWIW, the best thing for everyone
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concerned would be if Demjanjuk were to drop down dead of a massive
aneurysm right now.
Considering how unmercifully the poor old man has been persecuted for
so many years, that's not unlikely. However, I would not regard it as
a just outcome. Now, if his persecutors were all to drop dead ... that
would be justice.
-Al-
And there you have it! You make the call on that bit of purveyed
'justice' [!?] as AR nym, Al "not personally involved®" Smith, sees it.
Al, you 'do' know that this trial is in Germany and not in Israel, yes?
Just checking! You also give the impression that the trial is simply
some sort of one-sided J'accuse recitation especially by the himself 87
year old 'witness', one Alexei Weizen, and then Demjanjuk is wheeled
away, so to speak, and the case concluded forthwith but Demjanjuk has
not just the right of defense counsel but he is in fact duly represented
by Günther Maull and certainly the witness and the alleged
identification will be a focal point of the defense as a matter not so
much of and for the law itself but of common sense! So too, defense
counsel is well aware of the amount of years that have gone by for such
an identification and I believe he knows that without any need for
prompting and foot stomping from you to consider that issue.
It appears you already have the trial verdict in hand, Al, and my
question to you is how is this possible? Right now the trial is in
recess [as of February 4th] due to the defendant's health but it's
hardly over. The defendant also has the right of appeal [under German
law] even if he is found guilty but 'first' it seems prudent to at least
see what happens NOW before you make with the usual hand wringing and a
guilty verdict that has 'not' come in at this time. Why not leave the
matter to the defense counsel, Al, and see what happens or is it a case,
Al, where you and certain others, feel that the verdict has already been
determined well in advance ... you know, the demands of, as you put it,
"a small elite" who allegedly 'control' the BRD and, indeed, to hear
some revisionists say it, even the EU itself much less the BRD!
Get back to me on my other post to you, Al. Bad enough "Papagei®" Ebe
has made with the size 17-EEE track shoes for the last year and has been
beating feet ever since, why add your nym to the runner list, yes?
Doc Tony
;-)
"I will not Tanz to the Jewish Fidel!" [sic -- Kurt "alte Puppe®" Knoll]
;-)
To 'X' -- I suggest two things: One, you make your remarks public and
two, before you ignorantly drop on me the nym J'accuse that I allegedly
"support thought repression" [sic], read my material [13 years of it!]
where I am on record as 'opposing' what 'I' term "thought legislation"
laws and again I'll add for the record that I am not the only so-termed
"anti-revisionist" that feels that way. The difference is, I have said
so publicly and given my reasons. And so have a few others.

I believe such thought legislation merely churns out "martyrs for
the[ir] cause" [Zundel, Lauck, Irving, et al] and accomplishes nothing
[** see the Gary Lauck website for immediate 'proof' of what some years
in a German 'joint' did for Gary ... catch Gary's SA threads too and not
to mention Gary's ridiculously cloned Hitler 'brush' mustache and the
forelock shtick!] but I've also stated that what other nations opt to do
is their sole prerogative and represents the majority will of such
nations with so-termed Holocaust denial laws [in whatever specific
wordage such laws are couched] and they are free under their presently
in-place democratic systems to either reject such laws at such future
date ==or== conversely, as they deem appropriate, even expand and
strengthen such laws. It's their call! Not "Jews and Zionists" [sic],
the individual nations and their people who enact such laws and
maintain/perpetuate them.

That said, and moving to the Demjanjuk matter, no verdict has been made
in this latest case being held in Germany. Clearly, the 'identification'
issue from witness Weizen, will be a veritable focal point of this trial
but to second-guess the result of such testimony at 'this' point is mere
flatus in the wind conjecture. ANY witness for the prosecution is
subject to cross examination on a variety of issues and I don't think it
takes a Harvard Law JD credential to figure that out and no matter the
geographical location of the court at least in the NATO nations. So too,
there are ramifications here because if there is a guilty verdict [**
still subject to appeal however at a higher judicial level], and
depending on the specific 'wordage' of the judgment, that 'could'
conceivably open the door to further prosecutions to virtually 'anyone'
who served in a KZ during the NSDAP era, even temporarily. Recall that
the originating charges involve [as translated and per German media
reports] "assisting in the murder of .... ", that opens a can of worms
which the judicial system will also have to consider. You don't, if a
guilty plea is rendered, grab a single camp guard in 2010 and render a
guilty verdict but then, what, concurrently give any and all known
others who ever stepped foot in a KZ as a guard a free ride? Again, the
'wordage' would be important as to any specific and named victim "you
did it" kind of thing [and as proven therein] ==versus== a wording of
"assisting in the murder of 'X' persons" which opens the door to further
prosecutions of 'all' who have served in that KZ guard capacity. I'm
simply mentioning ramifications but which, at this point in time, and
specific to the Demjanjuk case, still remains to be seen.

Now add this to the mix: I personally feel that murder PER SE should
'never' have any statute of limitations and, indeed, most legal systems
subscribe to that interpretation and indeed reality ==but== it begins to
get into a gray and murky areas when one talks of "assisting in the
murder of 'X' persons ...." when 'then', at least, and it seems to me,
that fairness 'demands' a 'very' specific knowledge of 'exactly' in what
precise capacity was this "assisting in the murder of 'X' persons" done!
In effect, would simply "being there as a KZ guard" be sufficient for an
indictment and prosecution? It 'is' known, BTW, that certain soldiers
who were recovering from wounds but not quite ready for service at the
front were 'temporarily' assigned to KZ's as a viewed "light duty" and
later returned to their original military unit. What of these? They were
there! The only thing reasonably certain is this: within 25 years hence,
2035+, 'all' the KZ 'guards' and associated 'administrative bodies' of
such KZ's and all 'witnesses' to same, should all be gone via natural
causes. Although I also believe that the horrors of same will and should
never be forgotten else once again the philosophical axiom of George
Santayana [1863-1952] is far too easily discarded and, in fact, history
is tragically repeated! That happens too. And all too often. I offer
Vietnam [** where I myself wore the uniform] and Iraq/Afghanistan as
just 'one' ad hoc example of same.



Doc Tony
;-)



"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." [--
George Santayana, "Reason In Common Sense, The Life of Reason, Volume 1,
p. 284 of 'Reason in Common Sense'", 1905-06]."
Bolt Upright
2010-02-07 02:56:57 UTC
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FWIW, the best thing for everyone
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concerned would be if Demjanjuk were to drop down dead of a massive
aneurysm right now.
Considering how unmercifully the poor old man has been persecuted for
so many years, that's not unlikely. However, I would not regard it as
a just outcome. Now, if his persecutors were all to drop dead ... that
would be justice.
-Al-
Not just, perhaps Al but certainly merciful.
Kenneth McVay OBC
2010-02-07 18:38:54 UTC
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FWIW, the best thing for everyone
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concerned would be if Demjanjuk were to drop down dead of a massive
aneurysm right now.
Considering how unmercifully the poor old man has been persecuted
for so many years, that's not unlikely. However, I would not
regard it as a just outcome. Now, if his persecutors were all to
drop dead ... that would be justice.
Particularly if these "persecutors" were all Jews, eh,
Mr. "Smith?"
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organizations) is behind it." (David Irving, whining about Google's
reminder of his disgrace.) The facts:
http://nizkor.org/hweb/people/i/irving-david/judgment-00-00.html
someone-who-knows
2010-02-09 18:20:51 UTC
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Considering how unmercifully the poor old man has been persecuted
for so many years, that's not unlikely. However, I would not
regard it as a just outcome. Now, if his persecutors were all to
drop dead ... that would be justice.
And if you were to drop dead, this world would be a nicer place.
Heinrich
2010-02-09 18:26:14 UTC
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Considering how unmercifully the poor old man has been persecuted
for so many years, that's not unlikely. However, I would not
regard it as a just outcome. Now, if his persecutors were all to
drop dead ... that would be justice.
And if you were to drop dead, this world would be a nicer place.
donot let me stop you
RJ11
2010-02-09 21:58:38 UTC
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Considering how unmercifully the poor old man has been persecuted
for so many years, that's not unlikely. However, I would not
regard it as a just outcome. Now, if his persecutors were all to
drop dead ... that would be justice.
And if you were to drop dead, this world would be a nicer place.
Shut up Jacobson. I have the floor.
RJ11
2010-02-09 22:11:11 UTC
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In article <hkslqf$o0u$***@speranza.aioe.org>, RJ11 <***@world.std.com> wrote:

(forgery snipped)

How's it going, "Cramer"?

Did you enjoy prison, old man?

RJ.
Loose Cannon
2021-09-28 03:27:34 UTC
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a russian survivor of sobibor has recognized john demjanjuk as one of
the guards of sobibor this was being reported today by the czech radio.
thye moscow corresponden of said radio station interviewed the 87
year old alexej vaitsen and showed him a picture of demjanjuk.
*i remember him i remember allof them. he was a guard and i saw him
leading a group of prisoners inbto the woods to labour*
vaisen is a jew from the ukraineen a former military man and is very
ill and he escaped from sobibor in 43 after a riot.
efrain zuroff a nazi hunter from the wiesenthal centre in jerusalem
called the discovery of vaitsen imporant news.
And there is, of course, no question that Mr. Demjanjuk that he was
indeed a guard at the camp. He says so himself.
He removed all doubt about that when he cited, in court, his role as a
guard in that camp to prove that he couldn't have been a guard in
another camp at the same time. This admission led to his acquittal.
So, since he has stated that he was a guard there, why would it be
suprising that someone else who was there remembers him?
after so many years? i cannot even remember what i did a month ago
Don't you also admit to regular and excessive alcohol consumption?
And why should your limitations be
in my opinion it has nothing to do with alcohol consumpion. i simply
donoo believe that a human bei'ng's memory can go back so long a period
in time.
Why should your belief trump the experience of others?
he is in his 80sso he is an old man and the brains of those old people are
not working very well and this also applies to the memoriesof mostpeople.
his was established during the auschwitz trials in the 60s of last century
This has to be one of the most bone-chillingly stupid statements I've
ever read in Usenet.
Footnote: John Demjanjuk went to his grave an innocent man.
The Peeler
2021-09-28 08:06:25 UTC
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This has to be one of the most bone-chillingly stupid statements I've
ever read in Usenet.
Footnote: John Demjanjuk went to his grave an innocent man.
Tell that to the judges who found him guilty, gay nazitard!
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2021-09-28 09:11:21 UTC
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Footnote: John Demjanjuk went to his grave an innocent man.
Tell that to the judges who found him guilty, gay nazitard!
The filthy nazoid PAEDO replied to a 2010 post, BTW.

No wonder that he's a fucking zero who never amounted to
anything, and never will... what an inferior POS!
Michael Ejercito
2021-10-04 03:36:54 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 23:27:34 -0400, Loose Sphincter, the unhappily married
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This has to be one of the most bone-chillingly stupid statements I've
ever read in Usenet.
Footnote: John Demjanjuk went to his grave an innocent man.
Tell that to the judges who found him guilty, gay nazitard!
Great point!


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NEMO
2021-09-28 09:01:12 UTC
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Footnote: John Demjanjuk went to his grave
Hopefully, you will follow him soon.
The Peeler
2010-02-03 21:44:49 UTC
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after so many years? i cannot even remember what i did a month ago
Well, this I really believe you, Dumb Heinie! LOL What a rare oaf you are! <tsk>
Heinrich
2010-02-03 21:48:25 UTC
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after so many years? i cannot even remember what i did a month ago
Well, this I really believe you, Dumb Heinie! LOL What a rare oaf you are! <tsk>
back in you carton box peeler
The Peeler
2010-02-03 22:33:08 UTC
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after so many years? i cannot even remember what i did a month ago
Well, this I really believe you, Dumb Heinie! LOL What a rare oaf you are! <tsk>
back in you carton box peeler
And miss all the fun with you here, Dumb Heinie? NO WAY! LOL
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