Neturei Karta Chassidim on Arafat's Payroll

I've been telling this to many of you as long as I have been posting here!
Finally it came to be that someone posted the proof!
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Post by LeMod Pol
Friends,
All of us have been appalled by pictures of
black-frocked chassidim in anti-Israel and anti-Semitic
rallies over the last few years, led by Rabbi Hirsch,
the self-styled "foreign minister" of this extreme
Israel-hating sect of chassidim.
Now, documentation uncovered by Israeli raids has
uncovered receipts and letters from Arafat to Hirsch in
which Arafat paid Hirsch thousands of dollars for his
pro PLO "activities."
http://www.intelligence.org.il/eng/sib/9_04/araf_ap17.htm
I highly recommend the website from which this
information comes. There is also a fascinating article
about the planning and execution of the Park Hotel
massacre. An excellent reference.
http://www.intelligence.org.il/eng/default.htm
--
LP
"We are fighting today for security, for progress,
and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all
men, not only for one generation but for all
generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world
of ancient evils, ancient ills."
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
State of the Union Address - 1942

Norma

2004-10-03 22:03:40 UTC

Hmmm, I was just commenting about this group to somebody on some group and
they demanded some kind of evidence, but now I can't remember who or where.
Norma

Post by LeMod Pol
http://www.intelligence.org.il/eng/sib/9_04/araf_ap17.htm
I highly recommend the website from which this
information comes. There is also a fascinating article
about the planning and execution of the Park Hotel
massacre. An excellent reference.
http://www.intelligence.org.il/eng/default.htm
--
LP
"We are fighting today for security, for progress,
and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all
men, not only for one generation but for all
generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world
of ancient evils, ancient ills."
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
State of the Union Address - 1942

LeMod Pol

2004-10-03 23:05:25 UTC

Hmmm, I was just commenting about this group to
somebody on some group and they demanded some kind of
evidence, but now I can't remember who or where.
Norma

Check your "sent" file

--
LP

"We are fighting today for security, for progress,
and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all
men, not only for one generation but for all
generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world
of ancient evils, ancient ills."

Franklin Delano Roosevelt
State of the Union Address - 1942

2004-10-03 23:19:11 UTC

Hmmm, I was just commenting about this group to somebody on some group and
they demanded some kind of evidence, but now I can't remember who or
where. Norma

Hasn't Israel released the evidence for public scruitiny?

Patriot

2004-10-04 00:58:19 UTC

Post by NS

Hmmm, I was just commenting about this group to somebody on some group and
they demanded some kind of evidence, but now I can't remember who or
where. Norma

Hasn't Israel released the evidence for public scruitiny?

I'm not sure what this proves. The NK rabbis are forthright in declaring that
they view the Israeli government as illegitimate, and they also declare their
hope that jews in Palestine will be treated kindly if/when democracy and
respect for UNIVERSAL human rights is fully restored in the area. The US
government has rabbis on the payroll. Is there some reason why the PLO should
not?

Bernardz

2004-10-04 15:16:52 UTC

Post by Patriot
The US
government has rabbis on the payroll. Is there some reason why the PLO should
not?

There is a big difference between someone that tells you he is on the
payroll and someone who pretends that he is not, when he is. In fact the
second is often criminal.

--
Very few people get their 15 minutes of fame. Those that do live off it
for the rest of their lives.

Observations of Bernard - No 68

Patriot

2004-10-04 15:48:15 UTC

Post by Bernardz

Post by Patriot
The US
government has rabbis on the payroll. Is there some reason why the PLO should
not?

There is a big difference between someone that tells you he is on the
payroll and someone who pretends that he is not, when he is. In fact the
second is often criminal.

The criminality depends on the intentions as well as details of the
transaction. If I draw money as a payment to "Bernard", for instance, it
doesn't necessarily mean that Bernard is guilty of malfeasance. Nor does it
mean that I am guilty of malfeasance.

It's troubling that zionists automatically depict non-zionist jews as
criminal, and then point to perfectly legal behavior -- such as an employment
arrangement -- as proof of some crime. One of the problems with zionism is
that it's a "go for broke" enterprise. The history books are full of
governments that have collapsed over time, and yet zionists would never
tolerate the collapse of their own political enterprise and would prefer to
bring on nuclear holocaust than watch the government of Israel simply go down
the tubes. In effect this is not much different than Hitler's idea at the end
of WWII that germans didn't deserve to survive the collapse of the Third Reich.
In a similar way, zionists refuse to accept that judaism is a religion -- and
not merely a political party -- and that jews may continue to live in the USA,
in France, in Britain, and even in Palestine even if/when the government of
Israel turns to dust.

I hope that some rabbis *are* working with the PLO, and will have influence
if/when Israel collapses thanks to the fact that america can no longer afford
to sustain Israel with billions of dollars in handouts every year.

JBGarbuz

2004-10-04 19:43:59 UTC

Post by Patriot
The US
government has rabbis on the payroll. Is there some reason why the PLO should
not?

....

Post by Patriot
It's troubling that zionists automatically depict non-zionist jews as
criminal, and then point to perfectly legal behavior -- such as an employment
arrangement -- as proof of some crime. One of the problems with zionism is
that it's a "go for broke" enterprise. The history books are full of
governments that have collapsed over time, and yet zionists would never
tolerate the collapse of their own political enterprise and would prefer to
bring on nuclear holocaust than watch the government of Israel simply go down
the tubes. <

Rumors of ISrael's imminent collapse are greatly exaggerated. The US in 1932
was in a helluva
worse shape, employment and economy wise, than Israel is and the US did not
collapse.
Israel has an economy that is quite vibrant and flexible and surprisingly
diverse. It's seen worse times and survived.

Post by Patriot
In effect this is not much different than Hitler's idea at the end
of WWII that germans didn't deserve to survive the collapse of the Third Reich.
In a similar way, zionists refuse to accept that judaism is a religion -- and
not merely a political party -- and that jews may continue to live in the USA,
in France, in Britain, and even in Palestine even if/when the government of
Israel turns to dust.<

Israel is a tribe, and tribes have tribal religions. Even the Navajos still
preserve some of their old
ways today. The Navajos remain a nation even if they are not independent and
most of their
land is occupied. Jews can live wherevet the sufferance of other peoples
allow them to, but they
should not run to zion only when things get tough. Before WWII many could
still run to America when things got rough. Where are they going to run to
if and when things get rough for them in America?

Post by Patriot
I hope that some rabbis *are* working with the PLO, and will have influence
if/when Israel collapses thanks to the fact that america can no longer afford
to sustain Israel with billions of dollars in handouts every year.<

When Israel "collapses" then the JEws in Israel will be slaughtered. As for
Israel's existence being dependent on America, America's existence was once
made possible by French help that won them the Revolutionary War. Don't be
overly surprised if America collapses before Israel does.
I hope that neither collapse.

Patriot

2004-10-04 16:57:00 UTC

Post by Patriot
The US
government has rabbis on the payroll. Is there some reason why the PLO should
not?

....

Why the ten billion in handouts? And what's with the claim that one in five
Israeli's lives below the poverty line? The picture of Israel's "vibrant"
economy is an illusion. Or alternatively the constant pleas for help are based
on illusions. Either way, somebody's lying.

When Israel "collapses" then the JEws in Israel will be slaughtered.

Not if I can help it. Jews need to develop track #2 both in palestine and
elsewhere. Track #2 doesn't require a jewish state... just as catholics don't
require a catholic state and baptist christians don't require a baptist
christian state. Rather track #2 simply depends on a world that recognizes
universal human rights. For the past hundred years or so, zionism has been one
of the major obstacles impeding that goal, and in my opinion is the
contemporary driving force behind muslim fundamentalist perceptions of the
world. Let's build a world where muslims and jews and christians and hindus
and everybody else can all live on the same street... without trying to lord it
over one another.

Post by JBGarbuz
As for
Israel's existence being dependent on America, America's existence was once
made possible by French help that won them the Revolutionary War. Don't be
overly surprised if America collapses before Israel does.
I hope that neither collapse.

If/when we start to collapse, we'll pull the parasites off our ass and that
should buy some more time. We spend about 1/5th of our GNP on a health care
delivery system that is sub-standard but grossly overpriced. And we spend an
even bigger chunk of change on military and police strategies designed to deal
with problems caused by our own arrogance and greed.

r***@bellsouth.net

2004-10-04 18:02:17 UTC

look at the state of the Pals and their poverty levels and then ask why
Arafat's Bank accounts are overflowing!!
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Post by Patriot
The US
government has rabbis on the payroll. Is there some reason why the

PLO

Post by Patriot
should
not?

....

zionism

Post by Patriot
is
that it's a "go for broke" enterprise. The history books are full of
governments that have collapsed over time, and yet zionists would never
tolerate the collapse of their own political enterprise and would

prefer

Post by Patriot
to
bring on nuclear holocaust than watch the government of Israel simply

Post by Patriot
down
the tubes. <

Post by Patriot
In effect this is not much different than Hitler's idea at the end
of WWII that germans didn't deserve to survive the collapse of the

Third

Post by Patriot
Reich.
In a similar way, zionists refuse to accept that judaism is a

religion --

Post by Patriot
and
not merely a political party -- and that jews may continue to live in

the

Post by Patriot
USA,
in France, in Britain, and even in Palestine even if/when the

government

Post by Patriot
of
Israel turns to dust.<

When Israel "collapses" then the JEws in Israel will be slaughtered.

Susan Cohen

2004-10-05 02:00:12 UTC

And yet more proof that these idiots take this crap from hate sites.
I am *sure* that he does not know Israel's yearly budget, much less the
percentage that comes from American money.
& I also know that he doesn't know where all American "aid" to israel goes.

Post by JBGarbuz
When Israel "collapses" then the JEws in Israel will be slaughtered. As
for Israel's existence being dependent on America, America's existence was
once made possible by French help that won them the Revolutionary War.

Immaterial.
He's simply wrong.

Susan

Don't be

Post by JBGarbuz
overly surprised if America collapses before Israel does.
I hope that neither collapse.

Patriot

2004-10-05 02:36:38 UTC

And yet more proof that these idiots take this crap from hate sites.

My source of information on the poverty rates in Israel came indirectly from
the Jerusalem Post. Is this a hate site? Well, yes it is a hate site, but
it's a hate site that promotes hatred of arabs rather than jews.

Post by Susan Cohen
I am *sure* that he does not know Israel's yearly budget, much less the
percentage that comes from American money.

I know that the US government is providing ten billion in aide this year alone,
and I know that it works out to roughly $1600 for every man woman and child.

Post by Susan Cohen
& I also know that he doesn't know where all American "aid" to israel goes.

No doubt. I'm sure that much of the aide goes to buy things that I consider
morally reprehensible... like bulldozers to destroy the houses of innocent
people during "sweep and destroy" campaigns. Feel free to post the breakdown
so that american citizens will know how their tax dollars are being spent ---
given the fact that we can't afford decent education for poor kids and decent
health care for the elderly.

LeMod Pol

2004-10-04 20:26:11 UTC

Post by Bernardz
There is a big difference between someone that tells you he is on the
payroll and someone who pretends that he is not, when he is. In fact the
second is often criminal.

You are just spreading cow plop over the story to
excuse Neturei Karta for their shameful activities.

Post by Patriot
The history books are full of
governments that have collapsed over time, and yet zionists would never
tolerate the collapse of their own political enterprise and would prefer to
bring on nuclear holocaust than watch the government of Israel simply go down
the tubes.

Sure the fake "patriot" talks big and compares Israel
to hitler's Germany. The fake patriot should be praying
for Israel's good health for it is only bulwark between
the khalifa and America. Europe is going down the tubes
- another couple of years and Sweden will be an islamic
state without a shot being fired. One by one the EU
dominoes will fall and the arabs will start on America.

I wonder just how arrogant you will be then? Will you
enjoy when they they hand you your head or will you be
bowing to mecca. You appear to be half way there already.

Europe is already "half way there" since the arabs have
been calling the shots in europe's every
domain: from economy and policy to immigration. In
foreign policy, it backed anti-Americanism,
anti-Zionism and Israel's delegitimization; the
promotion of the PLO and Arafat; a Euro-Arab
associative diplomacy in international forums; and NGO
collaboration. In domestic policy, the EAD established
a close cooperation between the Arab and European media
television, radio, journalists, publishing houses,
academia, cultural centers, school textbooks, student
and youth associations, tourism

Eurabia is the future of Europe. Its driving force, the
Parliamentary Association for Euro-Arab Cooperation,
was created in Paris in 1974. It now has over six
hundred members -- from all major European political
parties -- active in their own national parliaments, as
well as in the European parliament. The creation of
this body and its policy follow the 23 resolutions of
the "Second International Conference in Support of the
Arab Peoples", held in Cairo in January 1969. Its
resolution 15 formulates the Euro-Arab policy and its
all-embracing development over thirty years in European
domestic and foreign policy.
- Bat Ye'or
extracted from: Eurabia - Why Europe is Screwed !
Message-ID: <***@igs.net>
--
LP

"We are fighting today for security, for progress,
and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all
men, not only for one generation but for all
generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world
of ancient evils, ancient ills."

Franklin Delano Roosevelt
State of the Union Address - 1942

Patriot

2004-10-04 20:43:44 UTC

Post by LeMod Pol

Post by Bernardz
There is a big difference between someone that tells you he is on the
payroll and someone who pretends that he is not, when he is. In fact the
second is often criminal.

You are just spreading cow plop over the story to
excuse Neturei Karta for their shameful activities.

We have a difference of opinion. You think it's shameful for a jew to
cooperate with a government that doesn't profess zionist ideals. By contrast,
I regard the following activities as shamful:

1) legalized torture
2) collective punishment
3) pro-apartheid walls
4) treachery, such as the acts of treachery committed by Israeli citizens of
the USA against american interests.

r***@bellsouth.net

2004-10-04 18:01:14 UTC

the NK was doing Banking for the PLO in the 70's and 80's... know facts..
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and

http://www.stopfcc.com

Post by Bernardz

Post by Patriot
The US
government has rabbis on the payroll. Is there some reason why the PLO should
not?

There is a big difference between someone that tells you he is on the
payroll and someone who pretends that he is not, when he is. In fact the
second is often criminal.
--
Very few people get their 15 minutes of fame. Those that do live off it
for the rest of their lives.
Observations of Bernard - No 68

Patriot

2004-10-04 19:16:54 UTC

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
the NK was doing Banking for the PLO in the 70's and 80's... know facts..

Good. If they're friendly with palestinians, as I try to be as well, I won't
need to worry about finding a place for them in my attic.

As for you, would you prefer the attic or the sub-basement? The attic is hot
and dry, whereas the sub-basement is cool and dank.

r***@bellsouth.net

2004-10-04 22:42:54 UTC

rolling again?
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and

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Post by r***@bellsouth.net
the NK was doing Banking for the PLO in the 70's and 80's... know facts..

Good. If they're friendly with palestinians, as I try to be as well, I won't
need to worry about finding a place for them in my attic.
As for you, would you prefer the attic or the sub-basement? The attic is hot
and dry, whereas the sub-basement is cool and dank.

Ariel

2004-10-04 22:02:43 UTC

Post by Patriot
I'm not sure what this proves. The NK rabbis are forthright in declaring that
they view the Israeli government as illegitimate, and they also declare their
hope that jews in Palestine will be treated kindly if/when democracy and
respect for UNIVERSAL human rights is fully restored in the area. The US
government has rabbis on the payroll. Is there some reason why the PLO should
not?

Well, it proves the NK are, among many other rotten things, a bunch of
lying scumbags.
They never accepted that the bum Mr Hirsch (and the rest of the NK
terrorists) was on the "PLO" payroll. So this post proves (as if it
was needed to some of us that always knew this) that the NK lies thru
their sidelocks and that in reality they're not Jewish, as they often
claim but rather a bunch of impostors working as the propaganda tool
of the "PLO". Why is it that we never see Mr Hirsch attend a Jewish
synagogue in Jerusalem, could it be that he is an impostor, as the
rest of the NK?! Of course!!! Yet time and again we see Mr Hirsch and
the other NK swine kissing Arafart in the slimy cheek. This post
proves everything: that the NK DOES live off of the "PLO" (something
they've denied) and that they're not Jews but arab impostors.
This post is a piece of gold.
Cheers to the original poster
Ariel

Patriot

2004-10-04 22:23:23 UTC

It proves nothing of the sort. However, your post proves that you value your
own prejudices more than critical thinking ability.

Post by Ariel
as they often
claim but rather a bunch of impostors working as the propaganda tool
of the "PLO".

Actually, I'm more inclined to believe that the Israelis are not "jewish", as
evidenced by the fact that the vast majority of Israelis whom I've known
personally in my life were atheists. I believe that "god" holds the copyright
on the term "jewish" -- not you and not me, and I also believe that God doesn't
preclude jews from accepting payment for services -- such as religious
counseling -- from ANY GOVERNMENT including the PLO. BTW, I wish you Israelis
would spend less time worrying about orthodox rabbis and more time worrying
about child porno rings and russian mobsters operating in Israel.

Post by Ariel
Why is it that we never see Mr Hirsch attend a Jewish
synagogue in Jerusalem, could it be that he is an impostor, as the
rest of the NK?!

You obviously haven't been going to the same synagogue. Or perhaps you believe
that Mr. Hirsch should call the press and give them a heads up when he's on his
way to temple so you or one of your radical pals can be waiting with a pistol.

Would you say that all Israelis are murderers because Baruch Goldstein was a
murderer? If not, then your pretense that all Neturei Karta rabbis are
imposters is just plain silly. You're guilty of the same kind of prejudice
that afflicted Herr Adolph.

Post by Ariel
Of course!!! Yet time and again we see Mr Hirsch and
the other NK swine kissing Arafart in the slimy cheek.

Arafat's cheek is slimy? How do you know?

Post by Ariel
This post
proves everything: that the NK DOES live off of the "PLO" (something
they've denied) and that they're not Jews but arab impostors.

It proves nothing of the sort.

Post by Ariel
This post is a piece of gold.

Obviously a piece of gold is your most cherished object. My advice: Stick
the piece of gold up your nose for safe keeping. Meanwhile my advice to other
people is to visit the Neturei Karta website and study the materials presented
very carefully: www.nkusa.org.

Ariel

2004-10-05 14:37:50 UTC

It proves nothing of the sort. However, your post proves that you value your
own prejudices more than critical thinking ability.

Are you a 6 year old playing with your mommy's computer?
I say it because you seem to have a problem understanding a very
simple reasoning:
Neturey Karta has always denied it receives money from the "PLO" and
the original post provides proof it has.
Yet you say it doesn't prove it. Well, if an original document from
the "PLO" with the "PLO" memo and logo doesn't prove it then you're
more deranged than the NK itself.

Post by Ariel
as they often
claim but rather a bunch of impostors working as the propaganda tool
of the "PLO".

Actually, I'm more inclined to believe that the Israelis are not "jewish", as
evidenced by the fact that the vast majority of Israelis whom I've known
personally in my life were atheists.

Again, you're reasoning is that of a 6 year old.
It's as if I say the New York Yankees baseball team doesn't exist
because I've never seen them play in my life.
Your logic is preposterous.

I believe that "god" holds the copyright

Post by Patriot
on the term "jewish" -- not you and not me, and I also believe that God doesn't

what you believe is irrelevant to the strenght and history of the
Jewish people.

Post by Ariel
Why is it that we never see Mr Hirsch attend a Jewish
synagogue in Jerusalem, could it be that he is an impostor, as the
rest of the NK?!

No.
He simply doesn't go to any synagogue in Jerusalem.

Post by Patriot
Would you say that all Israelis are murderers because Baruch Goldstein was a
murderer? If not, then your pretense that all Neturei Karta rabbis are
imposters is just plain silly.

Not it's not. The proof is there for you to see. You just don't want
to see it. Numerous times here on usenet i've proved the NK are a
bunch of impostors. do a google search, it's all around the internet.

Post by Ariel
Of course!!! Yet time and again we see Mr Hirsch and
the other NK swine kissing Arafart in the slimy cheek.

Arafat's cheek is slimy? How do you know?

you can see it shines from all the slime it has.

Post by Ariel
This post
proves everything: that the NK DOES live off of the "PLO" (something
they've denied) and that they're not Jews but arab impostors.

It proves nothing of the sort.

Yes it does. Facts have been presented. You insist on relying on
beliefs.

Post by Ariel
This post is a piece of gold.

Funny. Yes, go their website and see what I mean when I call the NK
impostors.
They claim to be Jewish, to be adherent to the bible and other sacred
jewish books. Yet, in their website, the other languages available
start with Arabic as the first one. And Hebrew? well...they don't have
a hebrew translation of the website. If they're Jews why is it that
they deny the Hebrew language? it's the language of the Jewish people.
Yet arabic is the top language of their website. Makes you think: Jews
or impostors?

r***@bellsouth.net

2004-10-05 15:31:19 UTC

yup you nailed him. but it's more like a 5 year old.;-)
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and

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Post by Patriot
I'm not sure what this proves. The NK rabbis are forthright in

declaring

Post by Patriot
that
they view the Israeli government as illegitimate, and they also

declare

Post by Patriot
their
hope that jews in Palestine will be treated kindly if/when democracy and
respect for UNIVERSAL human rights is fully restored in the area.

The US

Post by Patriot
government has rabbis on the payroll. Is there some reason why the

PLO

Post by Patriot
should
not?

It proves nothing of the sort. However, your post proves that you value your
own prejudices more than critical thinking ability.

Are you a 6 year old playing with your mommy's computer?
I say it because you seem to have a problem understanding a very
Neturey Karta has always denied it receives money from the "PLO" and
the original post provides proof it has.
Yet you say it doesn't prove it. Well, if an original document from
the "PLO" with the "PLO" memo and logo doesn't prove it then you're
more deranged than the NK itself.

Post by Ariel
as they often
claim but rather a bunch of impostors working as the propaganda tool
of the "PLO".

Actually, I'm more inclined to believe that the Israelis are not "jewish", as
evidenced by the fact that the vast majority of Israelis whom I've known
personally in my life were atheists.

Post by Patriot
on the term "jewish" -- not you and not me, and I also believe that God doesn't

what you believe is irrelevant to the strenght and history of the
Jewish people.

Post by Ariel
Why is it that we never see Mr Hirsch attend a Jewish
synagogue in Jerusalem, could it be that he is an impostor, as the
rest of the NK?!

No.
He simply doesn't go to any synagogue in Jerusalem.

Post by Patriot
Would you say that all Israelis are murderers because Baruch Goldstein was a
murderer? If not, then your pretense that all Neturei Karta rabbis are
imposters is just plain silly.

Post by Ariel
Of course!!! Yet time and again we see Mr Hirsch and
the other NK swine kissing Arafart in the slimy cheek.

Arafat's cheek is slimy? How do you know?

you can see it shines from all the slime it has.

Post by Ariel
This post
proves everything: that the NK DOES live off of the "PLO" (something
they've denied) and that they're not Jews but arab impostors.

It proves nothing of the sort.

Yes it does. Facts have been presented. You insist on relying on
beliefs.

Post by Ariel
This post is a piece of gold.

Stick

Post by Patriot
the piece of gold up your nose for safe keeping. Meanwhile my advice to other
people is to visit the Neturei Karta website and study the materials presented
very carefully: www.nkusa.org.

Patriot

2004-10-05 16:15:10 UTC

It proves nothing of the sort. However, your post proves that you value your
own prejudices more than critical thinking ability.

Are you a 6 year old playing with your mommy's computer?

Are you a moron attempting to be witty?

Post by Ariel
I say it because you seem to have a problem understanding a very
Neturey Karta has always denied it receives money from the "PLO" and
the original post provides proof it has.

No, it proves nothing of the sort... unless you would truly have us believe
that Jonathan Pollard's conviction on spy charges proves that *all* Israelis
who pretend to be american citizens are traitors. In effect, you're drawing a
conclusion about a group based on one specific member of the group. This type
of argument is called a "fallacy".

Post by Ariel
...
They claim to be Jewish, to be adherent to the bible and other sacred
jewish books. Yet, in their website, the other languages available
start with Arabic as the first one. And Hebrew? well...they don't have
a hebrew translation of the website. If they're Jews why is it that
they deny the Hebrew language?

Perhaps because most speakers of Hebrew also have a command of other languages.

Post by Ariel
it's the language of the Jewish people.

The vast majority of jews that I know in the USA do not know Hebrew and have no
desire to learn it. They speak english. For you to declare that hebrew should
be the language of all jews is another example of your rabid nationalism.

Post by Ariel
Yet arabic is the top language of their website. Makes you think: Jews
or impostors?

The word "arabic" begins with "a".

Michael W Cook

2004-10-05 20:56:56 UTC

It proves nothing of the sort. However, your post proves that you value your
own prejudices more than critical thinking ability.

Are you a 6 year old playing with your mommy's computer?

Are you a moron attempting to be witty?

Post by Ariel
I say it because you seem to have a problem understanding a very
Neturey Karta has always denied it receives money from the "PLO" and
the original post provides proof it has.

Perhaps because most speakers of Hebrew also have a command of other languages.

Post by Ariel
it's the language of the Jewish people.

Post by Ariel
Yet arabic is the top language of their website. Makes you think: Jews
or impostors?

NK are Jews who haven't let a political nationalist movement hijack their
religion, can you say the same ?

MWC

LeMod Pol

2004-10-05 21:47:18 UTC

Post by Michael W Cook
NK are Jews who haven't let a political nationalist movement hijack their
religion, can you say the same ?

No and do not care to, since your question contains two falsehoods
Michael W Cook is expert at spewing cow plop.
--
LP

"We are fighting today for security, for progress,
and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all
men, not only for one generation but for all
generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world
of ancient evils, ancient ills."

Franklin Delano Roosevelt
State of the Union Address - 1942

Patriot

2004-10-05 22:18:06 UTC

Post by LeMod Pol

Post by Michael W Cook
NK are Jews who haven't let a political nationalist movement hijack their
religion, can you say the same ?

No and do not care to, since your question contains two falsehoods
Michael W Cook is expert at spewing cow plop.

I recommend the Neturei Karta website to all christians: www.nkusa.org. Click
on "about us" and read all the articles that clarify the RADICAL differences
between judaism and zionism.

LeMod Pol

2004-10-05 22:43:36 UTC

Post by LeMod Pol

Post by Michael W Cook
NK are Jews who haven't let a political nationalist movement hijack their
religion, can you say the same ?

No and do not care to, since your question contains two falsehoods
Michael W Cook is expert at spewing cow plop.

I recommend the Neturei Karta website to all christians: www.nkusa.org. Click
on "about us" and read all the articles that clarify the RADICAL differences
between judaism and zionism.

And how would you know the "differences"?
--
LP

"We are fighting today for security, for progress,
and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all
men, not only for one generation but for all
generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world
of ancient evils, ancient ills."

Franklin Delano Roosevelt
State of the Union Address - 1942

Patriot

2004-10-05 23:02:49 UTC

Post by Michael W Cook
NK are Jews who haven't let a political nationalist movement hijack their
religion, can you say the same ?

No and do not care to, since your question contains two falsehoods
Michael W Cook is expert at spewing cow plop.

I recommend the Neturei Karta website to all christians: www.nkusa.org.
Click
on "about us" and read all the articles that clarify the RADICAL differences
between judaism and zionism.

And how would you know the "differences"?

From the Neturei Karta website (www.nkusa.org):

======================
Judaism And Zionism Are Not The Same Thing

We would like to take a few minutes of your time to prevent you from making a
terrible mistake that may have disastrous results for many.

You have always without a doubt heard and read much about the political crises
in the Middle East in which the State of Israel plays a central role. This is,
in fact, an ongoing series of crises with potential to bring the greatest
misfortune on the entire world. Tragically many believe that Zionism and
Judaism are identical. Thus they conclude that the entire Jewish people is
responsible for the actions of the Zionist government and the world crises
which emanates from it. This is a Grave Error!

The truth is that the Jewish faith and Zionism are two very different
philosophies. They are as opposite as day and night. The Jewish people have
existed for thousands of years. In their two thousand years of Divinely decreed
exile no Jew ever sought to end this exile and establish independent political
sovereignty anywhere. The people's sole purpose was the study and fulfillment
of the Divine commandments of the Torah.

The Zionist movement created the Israeli state. The latter is a persuasion less
than one hundred years old. Its essential goal was and is to change the nature
of the Jewish people from that of a religious entity to a political movement.
From Zionism's inception the spiritual leaders of the Jewish people stood in
staunch opposition to it.

To this day Torah Jewry remains forever loyal to its faith. Zionists want the
world to believe that they are the representatives of the entire Jewish people.
This is false! The Jewish people never chose them as their leaders.

The Zionists have deceived many well meaning Jewish people via terror, trickery
and false propaganda. They have at their disposal the use of a nearly
universally subservient media. Whoever attempts to criticize them puts his
livelihood and, at times, his very life in danger.

However, despite the media blackout and easy resort to terror the simple truth
remains unrefuted and irrefutable: ACCORDING TO THE JEWISH FAITH AND TORAH LAW
THE JEWISH PEOPLE ARE FORBIDDEN TO HAVE THEIR OWN STATE WHILE AWAITING THE
MESSIANIC ERA!

The Creator gave us the Holy Land thousands of years ago. Yet, when we sinned,
He took it away and sent us into exile. Since that time our task is to wait for
Him to send the Messiah. At that time, the Creator alone, without any human
being lifting a hand or saying a word, will bring us together and take us out
of exile. He will likewise establish universal peace among all mankind and all
will serve Him in good will.

Some religious Jews, confused by Zionist propaganda quote Biblical verses that
state that G-d gave the children of Israel the Holy Land. They overlook,
unfortunately, those verses which say that He took it away due to our sins.
They further ignore those prophecies which explicitly describe the last exile's
conclusion as a Divine, not a human process.

The Creator has commanded every Jew to follow the ways of peace and to be loyal
to the country where he lives.

Torah true Jewry waits patiently for the Messianic redemption. They have
nothing to do with any kind of pseudo "Jewish State" and its aggressions
against other peoples. They have a deep sympathy for the plight of the
Palestinians who have suffered the most from Zionism's false teachings and
barbaric actions. The Zionist state is not a Jewish state. The Zionists alone
are the only ones responsible for their actions. Authentic Jewry has and will
continue to oppose the very existence of this blasphemous state.

May all mankind witness the true redemption.
======================

r***@bellsouth.net

2004-10-05 22:10:07 UTC

ROFLOL they just bank for terrorists etc..... then go to those whores from
Russia when they visit Tel Aviv
--
"I have seen the worst that man can do.and I can still laugh loudly"
R.J. Goldman

http://www.usidfvets.com

and

http://www.stopfcc.com

Post by Patriot
I'm not sure what this proves. The NK rabbis are forthright in

declaring

Post by Patriot
that
they view the Israeli government as illegitimate, and they also

declare

Post by Patriot
their
hope that jews in Palestine will be treated kindly if/when democracy and
respect for UNIVERSAL human rights is fully restored in the area.

The

Post by Patriot
US
government has rabbis on the payroll. Is there some reason why the

PLO

Post by Patriot
should
not?

It proves nothing of the sort. However, your post proves that you

value

Post by Patriot
your
own prejudices more than critical thinking ability.

Are you a 6 year old playing with your mommy's computer?

Are you a moron attempting to be witty?

Post by Ariel
I say it because you seem to have a problem understanding a very
Neturey Karta has always denied it receives money from the "PLO" and
the original post provides proof it has.

This type

Post by Patriot
of argument is called a "fallacy".

Perhaps because most speakers of Hebrew also have a command of other languages.

Post by Ariel
it's the language of the Jewish people.

The vast majority of jews that I know in the USA do not know Hebrew and

have

Post by Patriot
no
desire to learn it. They speak english. For you to declare that hebrew should
be the language of all jews is another example of your rabid

nationalism.

Post by Ariel
Yet arabic is the top language of their website. Makes you think: Jews
or impostors?

NK are Jews who haven't let a political nationalist movement hijack their
religion, can you say the same ?
MWC

Patriot

2004-10-05 22:30:06 UTC

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
ROFLOL they just bank for terrorists etc..... then go to those whores from
Russia when they visit Tel Aviv

I'm glad you brought up the issue of russian "sex-slave" traffic in Jerusalem.
I would invite the Presbyterians to investigate this issue and add
white-slavery and kiddie porn to the list of moral complaints against the
Israeli government. Israel may not be directly responsible but they clearly
condone this kind of behavior.

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
--
"I have seen the worst that man can do.and I can still laugh loudly"
R.J. Goldman
http://www.usidfvets.com
and
http://www.stopfcc.com

Post by Patriot
I'm not sure what this proves. The NK rabbis are forthright in

declaring

Post by Patriot
that
they view the Israeli government as illegitimate, and they also

declare

Post by Patriot
their
hope that jews in Palestine will be treated kindly if/when democracy

and

Post by Patriot
respect for UNIVERSAL human rights is fully restored in the area.

The

Post by Patriot
US
government has rabbis on the payroll. Is there some reason why the

PLO

Post by Patriot
should
not?

Well, it proves the NK are, among many other rotten things, a bunch

Post by Ariel
lying scumbags.
They never accepted that the bum Mr Hirsch (and the rest of the NK
terrorists) was on the "PLO" payroll. So this post proves (as if it
was needed to some of us that always knew this) that the NK lies thru
their sidelocks and that in reality they're not Jewish,

It proves nothing of the sort. However, your post proves that you

value

Post by Patriot
your
own prejudices more than critical thinking ability.

Are you a 6 year old playing with your mommy's computer?

Are you a moron attempting to be witty?

Post by Ariel
I say it because you seem to have a problem understanding a very
Neturey Karta has always denied it receives money from the "PLO" and
the original post provides proof it has.

No, it proves nothing of the sort... unless you would truly have us

believe

Post by Patriot
that Jonathan Pollard's conviction on spy charges proves that *all*

Israelis

Post by Patriot
who pretend to be american citizens are traitors. In effect, you're

drawing a

Post by Patriot
conclusion about a group based on one specific member of the group.

This type

Post by Patriot
of argument is called a "fallacy".

Perhaps because most speakers of Hebrew also have a command of other languages.

Post by Ariel
it's the language of the Jewish people.

The vast majority of jews that I know in the USA do not know Hebrew and

have

Post by Patriot
no
desire to learn it. They speak english. For you to declare that hebrew should
be the language of all jews is another example of your rabid

nationalism.

Post by Ariel
Yet arabic is the top language of their website. Makes you think: Jews
or impostors?

NK are Jews who haven't let a political nationalist movement hijack their
religion, can you say the same ?
MWC

Michael W Cook

2004-10-06 11:29:59 UTC

On 5/10/04 11:10 pm, in article

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
ROFLOL they just bank for terrorists etc..... then go to those whores from
Russia when they visit Tel Aviv

Which Russian whores might that be, Goldman ?

The million who were invited in by Israel after the fall of the old Soviet
Union, whose settlement, I might add, was paid for by the US taxpayer ?

MWC

r***@bellsouth.net

2004-10-06 13:41:41 UTC

no the ones that were smuggled in through Rafach. by the PA and sold to
Russian Mobsters with fake papers saying they were Jews .
--
"I have seen the worst that man can do.and I can still laugh loudly"
R.J. Goldman

http://www.usidfvets.com

and

http://www.stopfcc.com

Post by Michael W Cook
On 5/10/04 11:10 pm, in article

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
ROFLOL they just bank for terrorists etc..... then go to those whores from
Russia when they visit Tel Aviv

Which Russian whores might that be, Goldman ?
The million who were invited in by Israel after the fall of the old Soviet
Union, whose settlement, I might add, was paid for by the US taxpayer ?
MWC

Susan Cohen

2004-10-06 13:55:55 UTC

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
no the ones that were smuggled in through Rafach. by the PA and sold to
Russian Mobsters with fake papers saying they were Jews .

You forgot to tell him he was lying again....

Susan

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
--
"I have seen the worst that man can do.and I can still laugh loudly"
R.J. Goldman
http://www.usidfvets.com
and
http://www.stopfcc.com

Post by Michael W Cook
On 5/10/04 11:10 pm, in article

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
ROFLOL they just bank for terrorists etc..... then go to those whores

from

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
Russia when they visit Tel Aviv

Which Russian whores might that be, Goldman ?
The million who were invited in by Israel after the fall of the old Soviet
Union, whose settlement, I might add, was paid for by the US taxpayer ?
MWC

Michael W Cook

2004-10-06 15:40:35 UTC

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
no the ones that were smuggled in through Rafach. by the PA and sold to
Russian Mobsters with fake papers saying they were Jews .

You forgot to tell him he was lying again....
Susan

I thought you had me kill-filed, Cohen ?

You just can't resist answering my posts, can you ?

MWC

r***@bellsouth.net

2004-10-06 18:14:33 UTC

why should I tell him He already knows it and so do we!
--
"I have seen the worst that man can do.and I can still laugh loudly"
R.J. Goldman

http://www.usidfvets.com

and

http://www.stopfcc.com

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
no the ones that were smuggled in through Rafach. by the PA and sold to
Russian Mobsters with fake papers saying they were Jews .

You forgot to tell him he was lying again....
Susan

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
--
"I have seen the worst that man can do.and I can still laugh loudly"
R.J. Goldman
http://www.usidfvets.com
and
http://www.stopfcc.com

Post by Michael W Cook
On 5/10/04 11:10 pm, in article

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
ROFLOL they just bank for terrorists etc..... then go to those whores

from

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
Russia when they visit Tel Aviv

Which Russian whores might that be, Goldman ?
The million who were invited in by Israel after the fall of the old Soviet
Union, whose settlement, I might add, was paid for by the US taxpayer ?
MWC

Patriot

2004-10-06 20:07:32 UTC

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
no the ones that were smuggled in through Rafach. by the PA and sold to
Russian Mobsters with fake papers saying they were Jews .

Speaking of gangsters, when is Israel going to amend its laws to allow jewish
murderers and pornographers and embezzlers and racketeers to be extradited for
trial to the countries where they PRETENDED to be citizens -- like the USA --
prior to their trouble with the law?

Typical example:

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9709/30/israel.extradition/

"In Montgomery County, Maryland, Sheinbein is charged with first-degree murder.
Prosecutors say he and an accomplice killed Alfredo Enrique Tello, 19, sawed
off Tello's arms and legs, then burned his body beyond recognition. The second
suspect, Aaron B. Needle, 17, is jailed in Maryland."

[American jails aren't good enough for american jews:]

"Sheinbein's Israeli lawyer claims he "committed a criminal offense in
self-defense." Nitzana Lietner also says her client prefers Israel's justice
system over that of the United States.

"In the event he would be sentenced, jail conditions in Israel are preferable
as well," Lietner says."

[Instant citizenship on demand:]

"Sheinbein claims he is an Israeli citizen because his father once lived there,
although the teen has never lived in Israel and speaks no Hebrew. Sheinbein
fled to the Jewish state last week, prompting U.S. officials to request his
arrest and extradition."

[Special status for Israelis:]

"The United States Department of Justice recognizes that there are many
countries around the world, in fact most European countries, that have similar
legal systems -- that is to say, they do not extradite their own citizens,"
said Joel Singer, former Israeli government legal adviser."

Michael W Cook

2004-10-07 19:10:32 UTC

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
no the ones that were smuggled in through Rafach. by the PA and sold to
Russian Mobsters with fake papers saying they were Jews .

Speaking of gangsters, when is Israel going to amend its laws to allow jewish
murderers and pornographers and embezzlers and racketeers to be extradited for
trial to the countries where they PRETENDED to be citizens -- like the USA --
prior to their trouble with the law?
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9709/30/israel.extradition/
"In Montgomery County, Maryland, Sheinbein is charged with first-degree murder.
Prosecutors say he and an accomplice killed Alfredo Enrique Tello, 19, sawed
off Tello's arms and legs, then burned his body beyond recognition. The second
suspect, Aaron B. Needle, 17, is jailed in Maryland."
[American jails aren't good enough for american jews:]
"Sheinbein's Israeli lawyer claims he "committed a criminal offense in
self-defense." Nitzana Lietner also says her client prefers Israel's justice
system over that of the United States.
"In the event he would be sentenced, jail conditions in Israel are preferable
as well," Lietner says."
[Instant citizenship on demand:]
"Sheinbein claims he is an Israeli citizen because his father once lived there,
although the teen has never lived in Israel and speaks no Hebrew. Sheinbein
fled to the Jewish state last week, prompting U.S. officials to request his
arrest and extradition."
[Special status for Israelis:]
"The United States Department of Justice recognizes that there are many
countries around the world, in fact most European countries, that have similar
legal systems -- that is to say, they do not extradite their own citizens,"
said Joel Singer, former Israeli government legal adviser."

In the UK, Dame Shirley Porter was found guilty of selling off council
houses for votes when she was leader of Westminster Council. (Porter is the
heir to the Tesco empire, the UK's largest supermarket retailer, and her
wealth is believed to be well over £100 million)

The British Courts found her guilty and ordered her to repay the money and
also fined her. For over ten years she dragged it in and out of the courts,
appealing to the highest legal authority in the land. Each time she was
still found guilty and ordered to pay.

So she did a runner to Israel to avoid paying, she then disposed of all her
assets to her son and relatives and tried to plead poverty.

They still demanded her to pay in full.

Suddenly, earlier this year, she suddenly finds the cash and offered to
settle for £17 million so she could return and live back in the UK.
Foolishly, the authorities thinking that if they didn't take the £17 million
they could end up with nothing,so they agreed and did a deal with the
thieving witch.

MWC

Patriot

2004-10-07 23:53:48 UTC

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
no the ones that were smuggled in through Rafach. by the PA and sold to
Russian Mobsters with fake papers saying they were Jews .

Speaking of gangsters, when is Israel going to amend its laws to allow jewish
murderers and pornographers and embezzlers and racketeers to be extradited for
trial to the countries where they PRETENDED to be citizens -- like the USA --
prior to their trouble with the law?
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9709/30/israel.extradition/
"In Montgomery County, Maryland, Sheinbein is charged with first-degree murder.
Prosecutors say he and an accomplice killed Alfredo Enrique Tello, 19, sawed
off Tello's arms and legs, then burned his body beyond recognition. The second
suspect, Aaron B. Needle, 17, is jailed in Maryland."
[American jails aren't good enough for american jews:]
"Sheinbein's Israeli lawyer claims he "committed a criminal offense in
self-defense." Nitzana Lietner also says her client prefers Israel's justice
system over that of the United States.
"In the event he would be sentenced, jail conditions in Israel are preferable
as well," Lietner says."
[Instant citizenship on demand:]
"Sheinbein claims he is an Israeli citizen because his father once lived there,
although the teen has never lived in Israel and speaks no Hebrew. Sheinbein
fled to the Jewish state last week, prompting U.S. officials to request his
arrest and extradition."
[Special status for Israelis:]
"The United States Department of Justice recognizes that there are many
countries around the world, in fact most European countries, that have similar
legal systems -- that is to say, they do not extradite their own citizens,"
said Joel Singer, former Israeli government legal adviser."

In the UK, Dame Shirley Porter was found guilty of selling off council
houses for votes when she was leader of Westminster Council. (Porter is the
heir to the Tesco empire, the UK's largest supermarket retailer, and her
wealth is believed to be well over £100 million)
The British Courts found her guilty and ordered her to repay the money and
also fined her. For over ten years she dragged it in and out of the courts,
appealing to the highest legal authority in the land. Each time she was
still found guilty and ordered to pay.
So she did a runner to Israel to avoid paying, she then disposed of all her
assets to her son and relatives and tried to plead poverty.
They still demanded her to pay in full.
Suddenly, earlier this year, she suddenly finds the cash and offered to
settle for £17 million so she could return and live back in the UK.
Foolishly, the authorities thinking that if they didn't take the £17 million
they could end up with nothing,so they agreed and did a deal with the
thieving witch.
MWC

OK, Michael. I owe you an apology right up front. When I read your comments I
kept thinking, "no, this is too bizarre to be true". How could such things
happen in the "modern" world? I did a search on google for "shirley porter
israel" and, lo and behold, dozens of references popped up.

"Curiouser and curiouser".

I wonder if some of our Enron executives like Ken Lay, and Enron CFO, Andy
Fastow, and board member, Robert Belfer, are thinking about relocating to
Israel. On the surface, the Lays themselves are not Jewish, but this could
change if the prospect of prison time seems inescapable. Mrs. Ken Lay, in
concert with Enron, was the largest contributor to Houston's Holocaust Museum.

Michael W Cook

2004-10-08 20:39:33 UTC

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
no the ones that were smuggled in through Rafach. by the PA and sold to
Russian Mobsters with fake papers saying they were Jews .

Speaking of gangsters, when is Israel going to amend its laws to allow jewish
murderers and pornographers and embezzlers and racketeers to be extradited for
trial to the countries where they PRETENDED to be citizens -- like the USA --
prior to their trouble with the law?
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9709/30/israel.extradition/
"In Montgomery County, Maryland, Sheinbein is charged with first-degree murder.
Prosecutors say he and an accomplice killed Alfredo Enrique Tello, 19, sawed
off Tello's arms and legs, then burned his body beyond recognition. The second
suspect, Aaron B. Needle, 17, is jailed in Maryland."
[American jails aren't good enough for american jews:]
"Sheinbein's Israeli lawyer claims he "committed a criminal offense in
self-defense." Nitzana Lietner also says her client prefers Israel's justice
system over that of the United States.
"In the event he would be sentenced, jail conditions in Israel are preferable
as well," Lietner says."
[Instant citizenship on demand:]
"Sheinbein claims he is an Israeli citizen because his father once lived there,
although the teen has never lived in Israel and speaks no Hebrew. Sheinbein
fled to the Jewish state last week, prompting U.S. officials to request his
arrest and extradition."
[Special status for Israelis:]
"The United States Department of Justice recognizes that there are many
countries around the world, in fact most European countries, that have similar
legal systems -- that is to say, they do not extradite their own citizens,"
said Joel Singer, former Israeli government legal adviser."

In the UK, Dame Shirley Porter was found guilty of selling off council
houses for votes when she was leader of Westminster Council. (Porter is the
heir to the Tesco empire, the UK's largest supermarket retailer, and her
wealth is believed to be well over £100 million)
The British Courts found her guilty and ordered her to repay the money and
also fined her. For over ten years she dragged it in and out of the courts,
appealing to the highest legal authority in the land. Each time she was
still found guilty and ordered to pay.
So she did a runner to Israel to avoid paying, she then disposed of all her
assets to her son and relatives and tried to plead poverty.
They still demanded her to pay in full.
Suddenly, earlier this year, she suddenly finds the cash and offered to
settle for £17 million so she could return and live back in the UK.
Foolishly, the authorities thinking that if they didn't take the £17 million
they could end up with nothing,so they agreed and did a deal with the
thieving witch.
MWC

Apology accepted.

I never lie when I post and always have evidence for what I say. It is a
bizarre case though that characterised the Thatcher era in the UK quite
well. Porter and Maggie got on like a house on fire.

She was made a Dame by Thatcher and she should by right be stripped of it
for her crimes. However, her old man has since got himself a title in his
own right, so as his wife she manages to hold onto the Dame bit.

Shame.

It would be the final fall from grace the crooked old witch deserves.

Post by Patriot
I wonder if some of our Enron executives like Ken Lay, and Enron CFO, Andy
Fastow, and board member, Robert Belfer, are thinking about relocating to
Israel. On the surface, the Lays themselves are not Jewish, but this could
change if the prospect of prison time seems inescapable. Mrs. Ken Lay, in
concert with Enron, was the largest contributor to Houston's Holocaust Museum.

I wouldn't be surprised, although it would be rather difficult for Israel if
they did, as the US would without doubt request an extradition for them to
stand trial.

What's so wrong about it is there are probably hundreds of other Enron's and
corporate crooks doing exactly the same thing right now. Cheney and
Halliburton need looking at for starters.

Cheers

MWC

Patriot

2004-10-09 00:27:11 UTC

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
no the ones that were smuggled in through Rafach. by the PA and sold to
Russian Mobsters with fake papers saying they were Jews .

Speaking of gangsters, when is Israel going to amend its laws to allow jewish
murderers and pornographers and embezzlers and racketeers to be extradited for
trial to the countries where they PRETENDED to be citizens -- like the USA --
prior to their trouble with the law?
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9709/30/israel.extradition/
"In Montgomery County, Maryland, Sheinbein is charged with first-degree murder.
Prosecutors say he and an accomplice killed Alfredo Enrique Tello, 19, sawed
off Tello's arms and legs, then burned his body beyond recognition. The second
suspect, Aaron B. Needle, 17, is jailed in Maryland."
[American jails aren't good enough for american jews:]
"Sheinbein's Israeli lawyer claims he "committed a criminal offense in
self-defense." Nitzana Lietner also says her client prefers Israel's justice
system over that of the United States.
"In the event he would be sentenced, jail conditions in Israel are preferable
as well," Lietner says."
[Instant citizenship on demand:]
"Sheinbein claims he is an Israeli citizen because his father once lived there,
although the teen has never lived in Israel and speaks no Hebrew. Sheinbein
fled to the Jewish state last week, prompting U.S. officials to request his
arrest and extradition."
[Special status for Israelis:]
"The United States Department of Justice recognizes that there are many
countries around the world, in fact most European countries, that have similar
legal systems -- that is to say, they do not extradite their own citizens,"
said Joel Singer, former Israeli government legal adviser."

In the UK, Dame Shirley Porter was found guilty of selling off council
houses for votes when she was leader of Westminster Council. (Porter is the
heir to the Tesco empire, the UK's largest supermarket retailer, and her
wealth is believed to be well over £100 million)
The British Courts found her guilty and ordered her to repay the money and
also fined her. For over ten years she dragged it in and out of the courts,
appealing to the highest legal authority in the land. Each time she was
still found guilty and ordered to pay.
So she did a runner to Israel to avoid paying, she then disposed of all her
assets to her son and relatives and tried to plead poverty.
They still demanded her to pay in full.
Suddenly, earlier this year, she suddenly finds the cash and offered to
settle for £17 million so she could return and live back in the UK.
Foolishly, the authorities thinking that if they didn't take the £17 million
they could end up with nothing,so they agreed and did a deal with the
thieving witch.
MWC

Apology accepted.
I never lie when I post and always have evidence for what I say. It is a
bizarre case though that characterised the Thatcher era in the UK quite
well. Porter and Maggie got on like a house on fire.
She was made a Dame by Thatcher and she should by right be stripped of it
for her crimes. However, her old man has since got himself a title in his
own right, so as his wife she manages to hold onto the Dame bit.
Shame.
It would be the final fall from grace the crooked old witch deserves.

I wouldn't be surprised, although it would be rather difficult for Israel if
they did, as the US would without doubt request an extradition for them to
stand trial.
What's so wrong about it is there are probably hundreds of other Enron's and
corporate crooks doing exactly the same thing right now. Cheney and
Halliburton need looking at for starters.
Cheers

I agree with your assessments by and large but you need to brush up on your
cynicism. You're way too optimistic about american politics... not to mention
the critical thinking abilities of american voters. :-) The only thing in
our favor, here in the USA, is that we don't have hereditary titles yet, but
this may change over the next twenty years or so. King Bush, Lord Cheney, Sir
Rush Limbaugh, etc all have a nice ring.

Deborah Sharavi

2004-10-08 00:41:22 UTC

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
no the ones that were smuggled in through Rafach. by the PA and sold to
Russian Mobsters with fake papers saying they were Jews .

Speaking of gangsters, when is Israel going to amend its laws to allow jewish
murderers and pornographers and embezzlers and racketeers to be

extradited for

Post by Patriot
trial to the countries where they PRETENDED to be citizens -- like the USA --
prior to their trouble with the law?
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9709/30/israel.extradition/

Gee, real breaking news from 1997.

Post by Patriot
"In Montgomery County, Maryland, Sheinbein is charged with

first-degree murder.

Post by Patriot
Prosecutors say he and an accomplice killed Alfredo Enrique Tello, 19, sawed
off Tello's arms and legs, then burned his body beyond recognition. The second
suspect, Aaron B. Needle, 17, is jailed in Maryland."
[American jails aren't good enough for american jews:]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! This dork thinks life imprisonment in an Israeli
prison represents a luxury above and beyond an American prison.
Speaking of American prisons....I bet Sheinbein wishes like hell he
was in one.

Deborah

Patriot

2004-10-08 01:48:42 UTC

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
no the ones that were smuggled in through Rafach. by the PA and sold

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
Russian Mobsters with fake papers saying they were Jews .

Speaking of gangsters, when is Israel going to amend its laws to

allow jewish

Post by Patriot
murderers and pornographers and embezzlers and racketeers to be

extradited for

Post by Patriot
trial to the countries where they PRETENDED to be citizens -- like

the USA --

Post by Patriot
prior to their trouble with the law?
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9709/30/israel.extradition/

Gee, real breaking news from 1997.

Israel still doesn't allow extradition for jewish criminals.

Post by Patriot
"In Montgomery County, Maryland, Sheinbein is charged with

first-degree murder.

Post by Patriot
Prosecutors say he and an accomplice killed Alfredo Enrique Tello,

19, sawed

Post by Patriot
off Tello's arms and legs, then burned his body beyond recognition.

The second

Post by Patriot
suspect, Aaron B. Needle, 17, is jailed in Maryland."
[American jails aren't good enough for american jews:]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! This dork thinks life imprisonment in an Israeli
prison represents a luxury above and beyond an American prison.

It is a luxury. Otherwise Sheinbein would return in a heartbeat and face
prosecution... and perhaps a death sentence. Can you explain to me why an
Israeli court should have jurisdiction over a crime committed by an american
citizen in the State of Maryland?

Post by Patriot
Speaking of American prisons....I bet Sheinbein wishes like hell he
was in one.

This would be a STUPID bet. Prosecutors in Maryland, not to mention the
relatives of the murder victim, would love for him to return to the USA and
face prosecution. According to the following article Sheinbein would receive
weekend furloughs after serving four years and be subject to parole in 14 years
from the time the clock started ticking. If you were the parent of the
murder victim would you be pleased with this sweetheart jewish deal? A
sweetheart deal that gives a criminal a special status -- simply because his
parents were jewish? Incidently, you will note that Sheinbein's family are
quoted in the article below as saying that Sheinbein was "disturbed". Can't
jews think of another word to use when they're trying to excuse violent jewish
criminals? Why is it that jews don't arrange treatment for "disturbed"
individuals BEFORE they commit their crimes against the goyim?

From the cnn website:

http://www.cnn.com/US/9908/24/sheinbein.02/

-- In a surprising outcome to a case that stretched from Maryland to the Middle
East, Samuel Sheinbein -- the U.S. teen-ager who fled to Israel after a
gruesome killing two years ago -- has agreed to plead guilty to first-degree
murder, Maryland authorities announced Tuesday.

The plea agreement reached in the Israeli judicial system will allow Sheinbein
weekend furloughs in four years and parole in 14 years, said displeased
Maryland prosecutors.

"It is our view that it is an insult to justice that Mr. Sheinbein will be free
to walk the streets of Israel under the most likely scenario when he is 33
years of age," said Douglas Gansler, the Montgomery County, Maryland, state's
attorney, when he announced the plea bargain on Tuesday.

Sheinbein, 19, will plead guilty to first-degree murder in a Tel Aviv court on
September 2. He has agreed to a sentence of 24 years to be served in an Israeli
prison.

He will be eligible for parole after two-thirds of the sentence has been
served. Sheinbein has already spent two years behind bars awaiting trial. With
that time taken into consideration, he would be eligible for parole in 14 years
if the plea agreement is approved by an Israeli judge.

In four years, after serving one-quarter of his sentence, Sheinbein will be
eligible for weekend furloughs under the Israeli court system.
Sister: Sheinbein always seemed disturbed

The suspect's older sister, Nathalie Sheinbein, voiced relief at her brother's
sentence. She acknowledged that it probably sounded lenient to those used to
the U.S. justice system.

"But he will serve his time. He's not going to be out walking free," Nathalie
Sheinbein told CNN.

"Hopefully he will get some of the help that he needs while he's in there," she
said.

Her brother always seemed disturbed, exhibiting signs of obsessive-compulsive
behavior and anorexia, she said.

"Not your typical, normal young boy things -- that are all signs of bigger
things to come," she said. The family is now hearing about more serious signs
from his friends, "signs of schizophrenic behavior at school," she said.

Israel official: Offender has rights, too

A member of Sheinbein's defense team in Israel told CNN they were angry that
Montgomery County officials revealed the plea before it went to court.
Gansler announced the plea bargain on Tuesday

Maryland authorities complained that they were not consulted about the plea
bargain and were faxed a notice of it only Monday night.

Sheinbein had been the subject of a 17-month extradition battle between the
United States and Israeli authorities.

Gansler quoted the murder victim's family as saying: "Justice has not been
served."

"The Sheinbeins manipulated the justice system in the U.S. and in Israel," the
family said, according to Gansler. "There was not closure, because he will
serve a lighter sentence in Israel than in the U.S."

Gansler said he "was glad to have certainty" because Sheinbein "could have been
acquitted in Israel."

A senior official in Israel's justice ministry tells CNN that the plea
agreement is a "very good deal" for the prosecution, because the presumption in
Israel is that juveniles serve 16-18 years for murder, not the 24 years to
which Sheinbein will be sentenced.

In addition, the official said, weekend furloughs depend on the behavior of the
person in prison and are up to the Israeli prison authority. The official said,
"This is our system. We believe a person who made offense has rights, too."

Gansler called Israeli prisons "much more country club-ish than U.S. prisons."

Prosecutor: Motive was a 'practice murder '

Sheinbein, of Aspen Hill, Maryland, fled to Israel in 1997, soon after the
dismembered body of his friend Alfredo Tello was found.

The Maryland prosecution claims that Sheinbein and an accomplice, Aaron Needle,
picked Tello up from work in Silver Spring, Maryland, on September 17, 1997,
and decided to kill him.

They allegedly strangled him with a rope, struck him on the head with a blunt
object and slashed him. Prosecutors said there was "extended torture."

Two days later, the prosecution said, the two suspects dismembered the victim,
burned his body and dumped his remains in a vacant house.

"This was actually what has been called a 'thrill kill' -- they killed Alfredo
Tello for the mere pleasure of it," Gansler said.

"They actually had planned on killing another acquaintance of Mr. Sheinbein and
Mr. Needle down the road, and this was basically a practice murder," the
prosecutor said.

Maryland authorities believe Tello was selected because he had in some way
"disrespected" Needle's girlfriend.

'Recipe' to commit murder

Israel's Supreme Court ruled in February that Sheinbein, who was born and
raised in the United States, was an Israeli citizen -- because Sheinbein's
father, Sol, holds an Israeli passport -- and could not be extradited.

Trial proceedings on the murder change began in May; soon after the Israeli
defense team was granted more time to gather evidence from Maryland authorities.

Samuel Sheinbein had admitted to the dismemberment and burning of the victim.
But he claimed Needle was the killer. Needle hanged himself shortly before his
own trial was to begin in Maryland.

Israeli prosecutors were set to begin presenting evidence in the courtroom in
September. Gansler said it was the evidence that prompted Sheinbein finally to
admit he committed the killing and seek a plea agreement.

"We had a mountain of evidence, all of which would have been compelling,"
Gansler said. That included DNA, eyewitness accounts, and a "recipe" to commit
murder written by Sheinbein, the prosecutor added.

No double jeopardy

Once Sheinbein is freed from an Israeli prison, he could still be arrested and
charged with first-degree murder if he tried to enter the United States or any
country that belongs to the Interpol international police organization, Gansler
said.

"There's no double jeopardy," he said.

Sheinbein's father, who is living in Israel, faces obstruction of justice and
hindering investigation charges in Montgomery County, Gansler said.

CNN's Ted Barrett and Sharona Schwartz and Correspondent David Ensor and The
Associated Press contributed to this report.

RELATED STORIES:

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LeMod Pol

2004-10-05 20:50:04 UTC

It proves nothing of the sort. However, your post proves that you value your
own prejudices more than critical thinking ability.

Are you a 6 year old playing with your mommy's computer?

Please do not insult 6 year olds - mo/st can do better
than that

Post by Ariel
I say it because you seem to have a problem understanding a very
Neturey Karta has always denied it receives money from the "PLO" and
the original post provides proof it has.
Yet you say it doesn't prove it. Well, if an original document from
the "PLO" with the "PLO" memo and logo doesn't prove it then you're
more deranged than the NK itself.

Post by Ariel
as they often
claim but rather a bunch of impostors working as the propaganda tool
of the "PLO".

Actually, I'm more inclined to believe that the Israelis are not "jewish", as
evidenced by the fact that the vast majority of Israelis whom I've known
personally in my life were atheists.

Post by Patriot
on the term "jewish" -- not you and not me, and I also believe that God doesn't

what you believe is irrelevant to the strenght and history of the
Jewish people.

Post by Ariel
Why is it that we never see Mr Hirsch attend a Jewish
synagogue in Jerusalem, could it be that he is an impostor, as the
rest of the NK?!

No.
He simply doesn't go to any synagogue in Jerusalem.

Post by Patriot
Would you say that all Israelis are murderers because Baruch Goldstein was a
murderer? If not, then your pretense that all Neturei Karta rabbis are
imposters is just plain silly.

Post by Ariel
Of course!!! Yet time and again we see Mr Hirsch and
the other NK swine kissing Arafart in the slimy cheek.

Arafat's cheek is slimy? How do you know?

you can see it shines from all the slime it has.

Post by Ariel
This post
proves everything: that the NK DOES live off of the "PLO" (something
they've denied) and that they're not Jews but arab impostors.

It proves nothing of the sort.

Yes it does. Facts have been presented. You insist on relying on
beliefs.

Post by Ariel
This post is a piece of gold.

I am not certain that the self styled "patriot" is not
a sock puppet for the self styled "David Goldman" who
also espoused NK and likely was muslim
--
LP

"We are fighting today for security, for progress,
and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all
men, not only for one generation but for all
generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world
of ancient evils, ancient ills."

Franklin Delano Roosevelt
State of the Union Address - 1942

Susan Cohen

2004-10-05 02:02:18 UTC

Well, it proves the NK are, among many other rotten things, a bunch of
lying scumbags.

And at best naive.
For them to have any shred of pretense that Israel isn't the most humane
entity in the area is just plain sick.

Susan

Post by Ariel
They never accepted that the bum Mr Hirsch (and the rest of the NK
terrorists) was on the "PLO" payroll. So this post proves (as if it
was needed to some of us that always knew this) that the NK lies thru
their sidelocks and that in reality they're not Jewish, as they often
claim but rather a bunch of impostors working as the propaganda tool
of the "PLO". Why is it that we never see Mr Hirsch attend a Jewish
synagogue in Jerusalem, could it be that he is an impostor, as the
rest of the NK?! Of course!!! Yet time and again we see Mr Hirsch and
the other NK swine kissing Arafart in the slimy cheek. This post
proves everything: that the NK DOES live off of the "PLO" (something
they've denied) and that they're not Jews but arab impostors.
This post is a piece of gold.
Cheers to the original poster
Ariel

Patriot

2004-10-05 02:38:53 UTC

Well, it proves the NK are, among many other rotten things, a bunch of
lying scumbags.

And at best naive.
For them to have any shred of pretense that Israel isn't the most humane
entity in the area is just plain sick.

To the best of my knowledge, Israel is the only country in the world today that
has LEGALIZED torture. Moreover, Israel openly practices nazi-style collective
punishment, confiscation of private property without compensation, and a host
of practices that are abhorrent to most americans, and to most europeans as
well.

www.nkusa.org

Deborah Sharavi

2004-10-04 23:08:42 UTC

Why is this so unsurprising?

Deborah

Nossy

2004-10-04 23:38:26 UTC

Zionists always get so hysterical and neurotic, even about old and
unimportant news. They aren't bothered by how "rabbis" are bribed by
the Zionazis to keep their mouths shut whenever the Zionazis engage in
some Einsatzgruppen Aktion against the Palestinians, or when the
Zionazis open their arms to gay parades in the holy city of Jerusalem.
These "rabbis" are bribed to the tune of millions of dollars. But
Zionist neurotics are never bothered by all this.

www.jewsagainstzionism.com
www.nkusa.org
www.jewsnotzionists.org

Post by Deborah Sharavi
Why is this so unsurprising?
Deborah

Deborah Sharavi

2004-10-05 18:31:09 UTC

Post by Nossy
Zionists always get so hysterical and neurotic, even about old and
unimportant news. They aren't bothered by how "rabbis" are bribed by
the Zionazis to keep their mouths shut whenever the Zionazis engage in
some Einsatzgruppen Aktion against the Palestinians, or when the
Zionazis open their arms to gay parades in the holy city of Jerusalem.
These "rabbis" are bribed to the tune of millions of dollars. But
Zionist neurotics are never bothered by all this.

Have you been practising your goose-schlepping for when your messiah
show up to establish your Jewish Ayatollah Israel? You have
specially-crafted gestapo boots for your webbed feet?

Deborah

Post by Nossy
www.jewsagainstfreedom.com
www.nazikusa.org
www.jewishnazisnotzionists.org

Post by Deborah Sharavi
Why is this so unsurprising?

r***@bellsouth.net

2004-10-05 19:21:07 UTC

LOL Good shot!
--
"I have seen the worst that man can do.and I can still laugh loudly"
R.J. Goldman

http://www.usidfvets.com

and

http://www.stopfcc.com

Have you been practising your goose-schlepping for when your messiah
show up to establish your Jewish Ayatollah Israel? You have
specially-crafted gestapo boots for your webbed feet?
Deborah

Post by Nossy
www.jewsagainstfreedom.com
www.nazikusa.org
www.jewishnazisnotzionists.org

Post by Deborah Sharavi
Why is this so unsurprising?

Deborah Sharavi

2004-10-06 17:18:01 UTC

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
LOL Good shot!

Hee hee. You wonder what all the idiotic antisemites who praise the
goose-schelpping NKrakpots would think if the knew what the NKs have
in store for them after their Messiah shows up.

Deborah

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
http://www.usidfvets.com
and
http://www.stopfcc.com

Have you been practising your goose-schlepping for when your messiah
show up to establish your Jewish Ayatollah Israel? You have
specially-crafted gestapo boots for your webbed feet?
Deborah

Post by Nossy
www.jewsagainstfreedom.com
www.nazikusa.org
www.jewishnazisnotzionists.org

Post by Deborah Sharavi
Why is this so unsurprising?

Patriot

2004-10-06 19:39:27 UTC

Post by Deborah Sharavi
Hee hee. You wonder what all the idiotic antisemites who praise the
goose-schelpping NKrakpots would think if the knew what the NKs have
in store for them after their Messiah shows up.

You remind me of two verses in the New Testament:

"Beware of those who call themselves jews, yet are not, for they lie."

and

"You shall know them by their fruits."

For the truth about the difference between judaism and zionism, visit
www.nkusa.org

Deborah Sharavi

2004-10-06 20:31:26 UTC

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
LOL Good shot!

Hee hee. You wonder what all the idiotic antisemites who praise the
goose-schelpping NKrakpots would think if the knew what the NKs have
in store for them after their Messiah shows up.
Deborah

"Beware of those who call themselves jews, yet are not, for they

lie."

Post by Patriot
and
"You shall know them by their fruits."

Your verses remind me of the essential wisdom of two other NT verses:
'These twelve Jesus sent out, charging them, "Go nowhere among the
Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans, but go only to the lost
sheep of the house of Israel." Matthew 10.6-7

Post by Patriot
For the truth about the difference between judaism and zionism

It won't be found on the NKrakpot site.

"Anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews believe that Israel can only be regained
miraculously and view the present state as a blasphemous human attempt
to usurp G-d's role, and they work to dismantle Israel. However,
unlike many gentile anti-Zionists, they firmly believe in the Jewish
right to Israel, but only at that future time of redemption. The
best-known of the religious anti-Zionists are the Neturei Karta."
- Frequently Asked Questions on Soc.Culture.Jewish Part 8: Jews and
Israel
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/judaism/FAQ/08-Israel/preamble.html

Got a clue what these religious anti-Zionists would do if their
Messiah showed up, and they found that the time of redemption was at
hand and embarked on the establishment of their ultra-religious state
of Israel? Of course you do not.

Deborah

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
http://www.usidfvets.com
and
http://www.stopfcc.com

Jerusalem.

Post by Nossy
These "rabbis" are bribed to the tune of millions of dollars. But
Zionist neurotics are never bothered by all this.

Have you been practising your goose-schlepping for when your

messiah

Post by Deborah Sharavi
show up to establish your Jewish Ayatollah Israel? You have
specially-crafted gestapo boots for your webbed feet?

Post by Nossy

Patriot

2004-10-06 20:44:47 UTC

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
LOL Good shot!

Hee hee. You wonder what all the idiotic antisemites who praise the
goose-schelpping NKrakpots would think if the knew what the NKs have
in store for them after their Messiah shows up.
Deborah

"Beware of those who call themselves jews, yet are not, for they

lie."

Post by Patriot
and
"You shall know them by their fruits."

'These twelve Jesus sent out, charging them, "Go nowhere among the
Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans, but go only to the lost
sheep of the house of Israel." Matthew 10.6-7

You missed other versesl which state that G*d accepts all men who accept Jesus.

Post by Patriot
For the truth about the difference between judaism and zionism

It won't be found on the NKrakpot site.

There are quite a few articles explaining the difference between judaism and
zionism on the Neturei Karta website -- and I should mention in passing that
your mangling of their name is indicative of dishonesty and immaturity. There
is another saying of Jesus that should warrant your attention: "He who calls
his brother 'fool' shall be condemned to hellfire."

http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/judaism_isnot_zionism.cfm

Judaism And Zionism Are Not The Same Thing

We would like to take a few minutes of your time to prevent you from making a
terrible mistake that may have disastrous results for many.

You have always without a doubt heard and read much about the political crises
in the Middle East in which the State of Israel plays a central role. This is,
in fact, an ongoing series of crises with potential to bring the greatest
misfortune on the entire world. Tragically many believe that Zionism and
Judaism are identical. Thus they conclude that the entire Jewish people is
responsible for the actions of the Zionist government and the world crises
which emanates from it. This is a Grave Error!

The truth is that the Jewish faith and Zionism are two very different
philosophies. They are as opposite as day and night. The Jewish people have
existed for thousands of years. In their two thousand years of Divinely decreed
exile no Jew ever sought to end this exile and establish independent political
sovereignty anywhere. The people's sole purpose was the study and fulfillment
of the Divine commandments of the Torah.

The Zionist movement created the Israeli state. The latter is a persuasion less
than one hundred years old. Its essential goal was and is to change the nature
of the Jewish people from that of a religious entity to a political movement.
From Zionism's inception the spiritual leaders of the Jewish people stood in
staunch opposition to it.

To this day Torah Jewry remains forever loyal to its faith. Zionists want the
world to believe that they are the representatives of the entire Jewish people.
This is false! The Jewish people never chose them as their leaders.

The Zionists have deceived many well meaning Jewish people via terror, trickery
and false propaganda. They have at their disposal the use of a nearly
universally subservient media. Whoever attempts to criticize them puts his
livelihood and, at times, his very life in danger.

However, despite the media blackout and easy resort to terror the simple truth
remains unrefuted and irrefutable: ACCORDING TO THE JEWISH FAITH AND TORAH LAW
THE JEWISH PEOPLE ARE FORBIDDEN TO HAVE THEIR OWN STATE WHILE AWAITING THE
MESSIANIC ERA!

The Creator gave us the Holy Land thousands of years ago. Yet, when we sinned,
He took it away and sent us into exile. Since that time our task is to wait for
Him to send the Messiah. At that time, the Creator alone, without any human
being lifting a hand or saying a word, will bring us together and take us out
of exile. He will likewise establish universal peace among all mankind and all
will serve Him in good will.

Some religious Jews, confused by Zionist propaganda quote Biblical verses that
state that G-d gave the children of Israel the Holy Land. They overlook,
unfortunately, those verses which say that He took it away due to our sins.
They further ignore those prophecies which explicitly describe the last exile's
conclusion as a Divine, not a human process.

The Creator has commanded every Jew to follow the ways of peace and to be loyal
to the country where he lives.

Torah true Jewry waits patiently for the Messianic redemption. They have
nothing to do with any kind of pseudo "Jewish State" and its aggressions
against other peoples. They have a deep sympathy for the plight of the
Palestinians who have suffered the most from Zionism's false teachings and
barbaric actions. The Zionist state is not a Jewish state. The Zionists alone
are the only ones responsible for their actions. Authentic Jewry has and will
continue to oppose the very existence of this blasphemous state.

May all mankind witness the true redemption.

Nossy

2004-10-05 16:38:56 UTC

Post by Deborah Sharavi
Why is this so unsurprising?
Deborah

Deborah Sharavi

2004-10-06 02:43:08 UTC

Are NKrakpots considered Chassidim? I thought they were merely
money-laundering escapees from a rent in the fabric of the space-time
continuum.

Deborah

r***@bellsouth.net

2004-10-06 13:40:30 UTC

LMAO. nicely put!
--
"I have seen the worst that man can do.and I can still laugh loudly"
R.J. Goldman

http://www.usidfvets.com

and

http://www.stopfcc.com

Post by Deborah Sharavi
Are NKrakpots considered Chassidim? I thought they were merely
money-laundering escapees from a rent in the fabric of the space-time
continuum.
Deborah

Deborah Sharavi

2004-10-06 20:00:31 UTC

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
LMAO. nicely put!

Sheesh, you're getting so many LOLs I should charge for the comedy
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List Price: $21.95

Spiritual Tools - Red String
The Red String protects us from the influences of the Evil Eye. Evil
Eye is a very powerful negative force. It refers to the unfriendly
stare and unkind glances we sometimes get
List Price: $26.00

Wisdom of Kabbalah
For the first time, the Kabbalah One Basic Course is captured on six
exciting DVDs.
List Price: $69.95

Tree of Life Necklace
The Tree of Life Necklace is beautiful to the eye as well as
spiritually energizing for the soul!
List Price: $72.00

Knitted Blanket Protection
Knitted blanket set includes a set of sheets and a knitted blanket
with Alef Lamed Daled lettering.
List Price: $84.00

Menorah Framed (FULL/GOLD)
The great warrior and mystic King David had this Menorah engraved on
his shield, the Shield of David. When God presented Moses with a
vision of how to construct a Menorah for the Tabernacle, which housed
the Ark of the Covenant, God used this design. When King David went to
war, he would meditate on the Holy Names encoded onto this Menorah,
and his enemies would literally fall in defeat right in front of him.
This is the secret power behind the Shield of David, also known as
Magen David or Jewish Star
List Price: $101.00

72 Name Frame (FLAT/GOLD)
Enormous spiritual energy can be gained simply by meditating upon the
various sequences of Hebrew letters comprising the 72 Names of God.
List Price: $101.00

Diamond Necklace (LOVE)
This gorgeous 14-karat gold pendant is set with one .02 karat
brilliant cut diamond and comprised of three powerful Hebrew letters
that evoke the consciousness of love.
List Price: $101.00

Baby Crib Set
Crib Set includes baby bed sheets, cover and protector. Sheet cover
with Alef Lamed Daled lettering.
List Price: $280.00

Diamond Necklace (PROTECTION)
This elegantly crafted pendant is comprised of 21 round brilliant cut
diamonds that are set within the powerful Hebrew letters evoking the
consciousness of protection.
List Price: $303.00

I wish I could interest these Kultists in some shares in a certain
Bridge (to Spiritual Happiness & Wealth, of course).

Deborah

Post by Deborah Sharavi
Are NKrakpots considered Chassidim? I thought they were merely
money-laundering escapees from a rent in the fabric of the

space-time

Post by Deborah Sharavi
continuum.

r***@bellsouth.net

2004-10-06 21:46:39 UTC

TOO GOOD!!
that group down here is filled with a whole bunch of wackjobs...
--
"I have seen the worst that man can do.and I can still laugh loudly"
R.J. Goldman

http://www.usidfvets.com

and

http://www.stopfcc.com

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
LMAO. nicely put!

Sheesh, you're getting so many LOLs I should charge for the comedy
routine.
Speaking of comedy....take a look at these offerings from the
Kabbaloney Kult online Store. Can you believe them? Now these are
FUNNY!
Kabbalah Cures: Headache Relief Ointment
Made with pure Kabbalah Water & Essential Oils
List Price: $10.00
Kabbalah Lamp Candle
The Kabbalah Candle is a replica of the candles used during the time
of Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai, author of The Zohar. Scented with the
mystic aromas of the Holy Temple
List Price: $10.00
72 Names Meditation Cards Deck
The 72 Names of God are not "names" in the ordinary sense. They're
very different from the signature on a letter or the back of a credit
card. Instead, they offer connection to the infinite ...
List Price: $15.00
Becoming Like God
"For the first time in history, an incredible opportunity is available
to humankind: the opportunity not simply to pray to God, obey God,
fear God or reject God but, in fact, to become like ..."
List Price: $21.95
Spiritual Tools - Red String
The Red String protects us from the influences of the Evil Eye. Evil
Eye is a very powerful negative force. It refers to the unfriendly
stare and unkind glances we sometimes get
List Price: $26.00
Wisdom of Kabbalah
For the first time, the Kabbalah One Basic Course is captured on six
exciting DVDs.
List Price: $69.95
Tree of Life Necklace
The Tree of Life Necklace is beautiful to the eye as well as
spiritually energizing for the soul!
List Price: $72.00
Knitted Blanket Protection
Knitted blanket set includes a set of sheets and a knitted blanket
with Alef Lamed Daled lettering.
List Price: $84.00
Menorah Framed (FULL/GOLD)
The great warrior and mystic King David had this Menorah engraved on
his shield, the Shield of David. When God presented Moses with a
vision of how to construct a Menorah for the Tabernacle, which housed
the Ark of the Covenant, God used this design. When King David went to
war, he would meditate on the Holy Names encoded onto this Menorah,
and his enemies would literally fall in defeat right in front of him.
This is the secret power behind the Shield of David, also known as
Magen David or Jewish Star
List Price: $101.00
72 Name Frame (FLAT/GOLD)
Enormous spiritual energy can be gained simply by meditating upon the
various sequences of Hebrew letters comprising the 72 Names of God.
List Price: $101.00
Diamond Necklace (LOVE)
This gorgeous 14-karat gold pendant is set with one .02 karat
brilliant cut diamond and comprised of three powerful Hebrew letters
that evoke the consciousness of love.
List Price: $101.00
Baby Crib Set
Crib Set includes baby bed sheets, cover and protector. Sheet cover
with Alef Lamed Daled lettering.
List Price: $280.00
Diamond Necklace (PROTECTION)
This elegantly crafted pendant is comprised of 21 round brilliant cut
diamonds that are set within the powerful Hebrew letters evoking the
consciousness of protection.
List Price: $303.00
I wish I could interest these Kultists in some shares in a certain
Bridge (to Spiritual Happiness & Wealth, of course).
Deborah

Post by Deborah Sharavi
Are NKrakpots considered Chassidim? I thought they were merely
money-laundering escapees from a rent in the fabric of the

space-time

Post by Deborah Sharavi
continuum.

Deborah Sharavi

2004-10-07 20:13:36 UTC

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
TOO GOOD!!
that group down here is filled with a whole bunch of wackjobs...

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
LMAO. nicely put!

credit

Post by Deborah Sharavi
card. Instead, they offer connection to the infinite ...
List Price: $15.00
Becoming Like God
"For the first time in history, an incredible opportunity is

available

Post by Deborah Sharavi
to humankind: the opportunity not simply to pray to God, obey God,
fear God or reject God but, in fact, to become like ..."
List Price: $21.95
Spiritual Tools - Red String
The Red String protects us from the influences of the Evil Eye. Evil
Eye is a very powerful negative force. It refers to the unfriendly
stare and unkind glances we sometimes get
List Price: $26.00
Wisdom of Kabbalah
For the first time, the Kabbalah One Basic Course is captured on six
exciting DVDs.
List Price: $69.95
Tree of Life Necklace
The Tree of Life Necklace is beautiful to the eye as well as
spiritually energizing for the soul!
List Price: $72.00
Knitted Blanket Protection
Knitted blanket set includes a set of sheets and a knitted blanket
with Alef Lamed Daled lettering.
List Price: $84.00
Menorah Framed (FULL/GOLD)
The great warrior and mystic King David had this Menorah engraved on
his shield, the Shield of David. When God presented Moses with a
vision of how to construct a Menorah for the Tabernacle, which

housed

Post by Deborah Sharavi
the Ark of the Covenant, God used this design. When King David went to
war, he would meditate on the Holy Names encoded onto this Menorah,
and his enemies would literally fall in defeat right in front of him.
This is the secret power behind the Shield of David, also known as
Magen David or Jewish Star
List Price: $101.00
72 Name Frame (FLAT/GOLD)
Enormous spiritual energy can be gained simply by meditating upon the
various sequences of Hebrew letters comprising the 72 Names of God.
List Price: $101.00
Diamond Necklace (LOVE)
This gorgeous 14-karat gold pendant is set with one .02 karat
brilliant cut diamond and comprised of three powerful Hebrew letters
that evoke the consciousness of love.
List Price: $101.00
Baby Crib Set
Crib Set includes baby bed sheets, cover and protector. Sheet cover
with Alef Lamed Daled lettering.
List Price: $280.00
Diamond Necklace (PROTECTION)
This elegantly crafted pendant is comprised of 21 round brilliant cut
diamonds that are set within the powerful Hebrew letters evoking the
consciousness of protection.
List Price: $303.00
I wish I could interest these Kultists in some shares in a certain
Bridge (to Spiritual Happiness & Wealth, of course).
Deborah

Post by Deborah Sharavi
Are NKrakpots considered Chassidim? I thought they were merely
money-laundering escapees from a rent in the fabric of the

space-time

Post by Deborah Sharavi
continuum.

Deborah Sharavi

2004-10-07 20:16:01 UTC

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
TOO GOOD!!
that group down here is filled with a whole bunch of wackjobs...

How do you like the "gold menorah"? Is it better than the 72 Names of
G-d Card Deck? How about Britney Spears showing her devotion to the
"Jewish[sic] Kabbalah[sic] Religion[sic]" by getting the Name tattooed
on the nape of her neck? Wonder why she didn't get it tattooed on her
ass; it would show up more.

Back to NKrakpots: don't you think it amusing that all the antisemites
who bitch about "Khazar Jews" settling Israel overlook the little fact
that today's Khazar descendants are most likely the NKrakpots who went
to Israel in the 19thC?

Deborah

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
LMAO. nicely put!

credit

Post by Deborah Sharavi
card. Instead, they offer connection to the infinite ...
List Price: $15.00
Becoming Like God
"For the first time in history, an incredible opportunity is

available

housed

Post by Deborah Sharavi
Are NKrakpots considered Chassidim? I thought they were merely
money-laundering escapees from a rent in the fabric of the

space-time

Post by Deborah Sharavi
continuum.

Deborah Sharavi

2004-10-07 20:16:01 UTC

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
TOO GOOD!!
that group down here is filled with a whole bunch of wackjobs...

Post by r***@bellsouth.net
LMAO. nicely put!

credit

Post by Deborah Sharavi
card. Instead, they offer connection to the infinite ...
List Price: $15.00
Becoming Like God
"For the first time in history, an incredible opportunity is

available